Let's be real: if Fire Emblem can have 4 reps in Smash Bros U, there's no reason why Star Fox can't.
I would just like to point out that literally minutes before said occurrence in the portrait had even blossomed, Sir Fox had asked all his comrades to inspect their Tea Diffuser systems to insure they were all functioning optimally.
Fornicate you Sir Falco
Seeing as how Sakurai is a lot more interested in adding heroes than villain to the roster, it would be adequate for Star Fox to have its entire, original team added to the roster, Falco could be Fox's Lucina, Peppy is the heavy and strong guy and Slippy could be the odd, tricky fighter that pulls all kind of tech to fight.
Getting rid of some of the most unimportant villains was a nice move on Sakurai's part.
Fire Emblem games have sold 7 million copies world wide, and there are like 11 of them.
Star Fox has sold 11 million copies world wide and there are only 6 games in the series that have gotten a retail release (if you include 643D).
Star Fox still has lots of fans in the west whereas Fire Emblem pretty much only popular with weaboos. Star Fox's fandom is primarily in the West, and Fire Emblem's fandom is primarily in Japan.
I think it is safe to say that Star Fox is a more significant brand in terms of Nintendo's history. Currently Fire Emblem makes Nintendo more money but that's because there hasn't been a new Star Fox game in like 8 years.
Slippy would have the same gadgets as everyone else because he created them. If they wanted to have Slippy the only way to do him would be to make him slower, and have more powerful versions of the specials that have a chance of malfunction since they're all overclocked or whatever.
I don't understand how people are baffled at Fire Emblem having so many characters
It's a fucking character heavy series, and is currently relevant
4 characters is like 5% of the series' cast
4 characters from something like Star Fox or Kirby would closer to 80% of the cast
>Star Fox still has lots of fans in the west whereas Fire Emblem pretty much only popular with weaboos
/v/ is not the majority, no matter how much you want it to be
Why do people think Slippy or Peppy would be direct clones to Fox? Ike and Robin sure are not clones to Marth, they share a medieval/fantasy theme but they are not clones just because all of them have swords.
>Implying being old makes you useless
Because the latest Fire Emblem games haven't been as shit as the latest Starfox ones.
i don't care for either of them. i mean it doesn't rustle my jimmies, but i'm not excited.
i'd prefer something like custom robo or K Rool. anything different than what we have already.
Fire Emblem Awakening sold a gorillian copies and is one of the most popular games on the 3DS. Makes sense that two reps from that game would appear.
Star Fox has been lagging behind a whole lot in the past decade or so. With the 64 remake not doing too well and the WiiU Starfox still its concept stages, there is not really anything new to add. Krystal is a possibility, but she is also a throwaway character with no redeeming values.
They are going to shorten the Star Fox cast if anything. Expect either Falco or Wolf to be axed.
There are plenty of Star Fox games to look at and in multiplayer all of them play pretty much the same. The source material does not suggest there's any difference between how they would fight, and since Falco is a clone, that means any differences between them would have to be a stupid asspull like Zero Suit Samus's rocket stilettos.
If we do get a 4th rep it'll be either Krystal or Slippy and I'd be fine with either.
>The source material does not suggest there's any difference between how they would fight
No, but their personalities and talents do, this is why we got lines like "Personally I prefer the air" and stuff (ironically Falco has a better ground game but some of his aerials are very powerful spikes, also his Landmaster flies better than Fox's), they may have the same combat procedure but they wouldn't finish a mission using the exact same methods, they also have different abilities and talents in 64 too.
>Fire Emblem has more reps than Star Fox, donkey kong, Metroid and Kirby
>Let's be real: if Fire Emblem can have 4 reps in Smash Bros U, there's no reason why Star Fox can't.
How do people not realize at this point that Fire Emblem Awakening saved the series and could potentially be a series on the rise for Nintendo if they give it enough exposure? Business-wise, yes, it's a series that deserved 4 reps. If Nintendo can get this thing to explode then it's a completely different type of game for them in a genre people actually still play.
>Star Fox has gathered almost as much money as Metroid
And people think Metroid is a popular franchise.
DK really does deserve more reps. I think Dixie would be a logical choice especially since Tropical Freeze has made her more relevant.
Have you actually played a Fire Emblem game?
Fire Emblem's last title was pretty popular and it has an upcoming Wii U game with SMT. Nintendo typically only adds characters that are iconic or popular new characters. Does Star Fox have either of those?
Whether some franchise "deserves" a fighter in Smash Bros. or not doesn't end where your feelings begin.
Metroidfags, who else? They are the deluded idiots that think Metroid is popular enough to deserve Ridley and two Samus as part of the roster, they should feel lucky Sakurai split Samus and Zero suit as two stand alone characters.
Except the original team. All of them.
I don't understand why people are bitching about the Fire Emblem characters, it makes perfect sense why they were added. If you want to complain about a fighter who doesn't deserve to be there you should probably be bitching about Pacman, who is only in the game because Namco is helping with development and for the novelty of Mario, Sonic and Pacman all being in the same game. Which will inevitably wear off after the first time you have them fight each other.
They've working on something for the series if E3 was anything to go by.
One top of that, wasn't there talk that the main reason there hasn't been another one up until the Wii U was that they couldn't integrate flight controls with motion controls effectively enough to get it to work?
have you seen pac-man's moveset? he's awesome
and also you're seriously underselling the novelty of Mario, Sonic and Pacman all being in the same game.
the novelty of characters from different series fighting each other is the entire reason this game exists.
It's the whole point.
>have you seen pac-man's moveset? he's awesome
Robin's moveset is pretty cool too, but apparently he still doesn't deserve to be in the game. That argument only works for Pacman.
>and also you're seriously underselling the novelty of Mario, Sonic and Pacman all being in the same game.
Dude, that shit's going to fucking wear off almost immediately after the game comes out. The novelty of Sonic and Mario being in Brawl together wore off and that was even more crazy because they used to be huge rivals.
>the novelty of characters from different series fighting each other is the entire reason this game exists.
Nintendo characters, and Pacman is barely a relevant character anymore anyways. Namco is trying to push him and that awful fucking cartoon.
It's worse than Snake being in the previous game.
Characters outside of Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda can hardly be considered popular. The popularity of a series doesn't dictate the amount of reps in Smash.
>that shit's going to fucking wear off almost immediately after the game comes out.
15 years after the first smash bros, and it apparently hasn't worn off of any of us.
this is the primary reason why this game has been so successful for so many years, and if you don't think it is, you are kidding yourself.
Star Fox is a shit series that got ruined by it's furry fandom.
There hasn't been a good SF since SF64, and it doesn't have enough distinctive characters to warrant inclusion. Be happy that they even have two reps.
>Mfw now that leak is proven wrong there is actually a chance Krystal might get in
Nintendo characters fighting each other is not the ONLY reason people buy the game, and again I said Nintendo characters, not third party characters.
Megaman and Sonic are perfectly fine third party reps. Megaman has a lot of history on Nintendo consoles and Sonic/Sega have history with Nintendo. Sonic and Mario being in a fighting game together is actually cool. Who fuck actually cares about Pacman being in this game? He's like Snake, as much as I love Metal Gear Snake did not deserve to be in Brawl and he was in for a really stupid reason. Just like Pacman is for this game.
My whole point is that if you're going to talk about characters "not deserving" to be in Smash Bros you should probably be talking about third party characters with barely any attachment to Nintendo, like Pacman, and not actual Nintendo characters that you just don't happen to like.
>mfw Miyamoto is obviously going for the 64 approach on the next Star Fox game that theres a real chance that Krystal might get retconned out of the franchise
Salvation to this poor series is near.
>co-op in a single Arwing
Star Fox is doomed to be Nintendo's experimental franchise until the end of time you'll never get another 64-like game again.
Because it doesn't sell very well, Nintendo only periodically releases a title to test some kind of gimmick of their console. I guess it's slightly better than getting absolutely nothing.
By this I think they want each Star Fox game to feel like a normal episode of an anime series (they said tv series, but come on, translations and shit) where the status quo is preserved indefinitely (like the Mario games), this would mean that no character ages, no romance bullshit, no characters wanting to go solo because MUH FEELS, etc.
I would welcome this approach.
Female characters are either popular because they're an empowered womyn who don't need no man that tumblr declares to be the greatest character ever, or because men want to have sex with them.
Guess what faggot? Miyamoto put her in Star Fox in the first place. He's not getting rid of his furry waifu.
There's a few reasons:
1. Star Fox isn't explicitly Japanese artstyle and so isn't naturally appealing to Japan.
2. Star Fox isn't a series that Nintendo has been trying to make happen for twenty years and are finally getting their foot in the door with so they want to push promotion hard now.
3. Smash has not always been a vehicle for Star Fox advertisement since Melee.
4. Star Fox has not had a recent game and the new Star Fox is too far on the horizon to have been known to Sakurai in time to help promote it.
Which is why Fire Emblem will get four reps while Star Fox likely will get three, which is still pretty great. You can also apply these reason to most other "Why does Fire Emblem get four reps when [X franchise that has less than four reps] only has [number under four]?" inqueries
There's no reason Kirby can't get another. At least it had an anniversary, a 100 episode long anime, merchandise, and hasn't been dead for years like most other franchises.
>He's not getting rid of his furry waifu.
I suppose you can read Miyamoto's mind, also I think he just added to try to capitalize on the fact that shes female, which didnt worked all that well, so a retconning is very plausible.
>Most Newcomers Have Been Girls Or Have Option To Be Female
>They Pick Krystal
Let's Face It Fellas, This Is Super Smash Sisters We're Talking About Here...
That made my night, thank you based anon
He could have gotten rid of her in Assault but he didn't. Miyamoto is literally the only link between Star Fox Adventures and Star Fox Assault, because they were made by two completely different companies in different hemispheres (Rare in the UK and Namco in Japan). Miyamoto chose to keep Krystal in as a permanent addition to the franchise. She's not going anywhere.
>I think he just added her to try to capitalize on the fact that shes female
The fan response to her can only be hear coming from all the obsessed furry betas drooling over her, thats not the kind of rep Nintendo would one coming from a character, and seeing how Miyamoto is cooking the rightful successor to 64 getting rid of her will be easier than ever.
Dont worry, bro. Shes out.
>"It will be just like Star Fox 64 guys, wait and see!"
>demo is nothing like Star Fox 64
>"Krystal won't be in the game, you'll see!"
>Krystal has been in every SF game after 64
Your tears will be delicious, anon. Keep brewing them for me.
>not the rep they want
>Bayo 2 for Wii U only
Don't hold your breath on that one
>demo is nothing like Star Fox 64
>Demo is literally SF64 3D but with Gamepad controls
Stopped reading there.
Good luck next time.
>Comparing thematically an M-rated series to a cartoony E-rated series
I'm the Drawfriend from last night. This morning I finished that Krystal and Carmelita crossover pic that I was drawing in the old Star Fox thread. I said I'd post it in the next Star Fox thread when it was done so I guess this counts.
Also, since some people were asking about it, I created a tumblr for you guys if you want to follow it. The versions of my pics that I post on the vidyart booru will be higher res due to the crappy limitations of tumblr, but it should at least make it easier for those of you who want to keep an eye out for the stuff I draw in 4chan threads.
>furfag viraling for their furry friends
This thread is nothing but a furry spam
Krystal will never be in, she had her chance in brawl and she blew it
Yeah because Star Fox 64 had the gun controls separate from the flight controls, and it also had transforming Arwings.
Did you even bother reading any of the hands-on impressions? Not that they even matter since the stage demo was pretty much Miyamoto dicking around in Unity Engine and can't even be called pre-alpha since the game doesn't have a studio yet. Regardless, it's not going to be Star Fox 64 in HD, no matter how bad you cry about it.
Too bad Krystal's boobs dont sell quite well, hence Assault and Command.
Even boobs can't save mediocre/terrible games.
The game looked pretty but it got damn repetitive
It'd be neat if Fox had an alt costume with sunglasses on to be his dad
I'm honestly shocked they haven''t tried her
Are they just unaware of the obsessive western market around her character? Shes not even that interesting but she still gets new porn fairly regularly. Few older characters get that kind of attention, especially when none of the games they were in were even good.
She would drive a lot of furries to buy a Wii U. Its not like they have any shame after the Palutena reveal with the hipbumb
>Are they just unaware of the obsessive western market around her character?
Sorry bro, they dont give a shot about what western fans think or do, let alone western furry fans.
I like this. Not only because I'll fap to it, but because it's very well done.
Why not just have a swimsuit alt for ALL characters?
Charizard in swim trunks.
Wait..has Falco or Wolf even been announced yet as officially returning? don't see them on the main site anywhere unless it's just "implied" like Mario/Link/etc (they're in the box art)
>mfw next reveal is star fox themed and reveals Falco, Wolf, and
No. We've managed to maintain a half decent discussion for this long, I don't want it getting derailed by furry porn now
>mfw peppy hare would be slow as fuck but jump awkwardly high
>mfw slippy toad would be a clone of peppy in every way
Is it bad my largest fear for this game is whether or not Jigglypuff still has the Sun Hat costume?
I will be massively disappointed if not.
So if Slippy did get in what could his moveset be potentially I'm thinking something tech heavy allowing him to set traps and gain stage control. Krystal would most likely be a magic quarterstaff fighter which would be cool as well.
To be honest I'm not going to be upset if it isn't like 64.
Just as long as it isn't like Command in any way. Hell most people just seem to be happy that a Star Fox game is coming back. /v/ is pretty much the only place where I see that people are going to cry if it doesn't play exactly like 64.
>The games which Nintendo can advertise the most in the future get more reps
>Fire Emblem Awakening
>Kid Icarus Uprising
So Star Fox should have another rep since he's getting a Wii U game?
We've covered that at least twice now
Lets see if I can crank one for Krystal
going off Adventures stuff here
Neutral: Staff Fire Blaster
Up B: Ground Quake
Side B: Maybe clone of Fox's side B
Down B: Shield (reflector clone)
Honestly by this point I was expecting someone to say Krystal ruined the series because she has psychic powers.
It always seems to happen in a Star Fox thread accompanied by a picture of Fox and Slippy laughing or some shit like that
The fact is it isnt dead, Miyamoto even made this clear when he confirmed he was working on one for the WiiU. Apparently they were going to make one for the Wii during its period, but they didnt bother with it because they couldnt think of anything for it that would've made it feel different from the others. In other words, they didnt want to make it a fucking rehash like NSMB.
>Smug animu pedobait of a vidya character
What does a tail have to do with how many nipples she has? And besides, you can clearly see that she only has two breasts, and no extra nipples on her abs (she was half naked in Star Fox Adventures FFS). This conversation is taking shitposting to a whole new level.
Here's the problem: they were making a Star Fox game for Wii U, but they made one fatal mistake. They put Sakurai in charge.
It became Kid Icarus Uprising, which is a great game, but still I am a bit salty that Star Fox ended up going an entire gen without a new console game.
>Using a minority group as an argument
>Implying a characters importance matters in a fucking party game
>Implying they're not wanting Krystal because of her potentially unique fighting style compared to the seven sword fighters that've been added, one of which is a literal clone.
The autism reeks from this guy, it's not even funny
Because when a franchise dies the only people left are jaded fans who wish the glory days would return that's why.
Not bad. Not bad at all
Just give me Falco and Wolf and I'll be fine. I don't need an more characters.
How did Call of Duty get dragged into this?
It's okay except for the fucking clown feet they have.
I should not be acknowledging this stupid argument, but in Star Fox, female characters generally only bear one child at a time, which includes Krystal as demonstrated by the ending where her and Fox get married and have a son. Also, Fox himself was an only child.
>So does this mean anything? Probably not, but its worth mentioning.
>Its worth mentioning.
>Conspiracy theories-level of straw grasping
Miyamoto was involved with the game. Part of why it's short is because it was originally going to be a first person shooter but it was looking bad, so Miyamoto said to switch it to third person and focus on the multiplayer. That is part of why the campaign was so short.
This idea that Miyamoto hates Krystal and can't wait to get rid of her is nothing more than wishful thinking. He has been a producer on every game in the series and he never had a problem with her. No-one would have batted an eye if she went her own way after Adventures and they never heard from her again, but they specifically chose to keep her around. The amount of emphasis Nintendo put on Krystal in Adventures' advertising suggests to me that they had wanted her to be the main female of Star Fox ever since they decided to turn Dinosaur Planet into a Star Fox game.
I think it's funny how people attack her, because when you think about it, Adventures takes place after 64, and Fox JUST killed the individual who killed his father. So it'd make sense to have someone to eventually continue to bloodline.
This isnt saying that I disagree that she is a generic character, I am appalled they made her into a shitty damsel in adventures instead of having being playable alongside Fox like what she was supposed to in the original game before it was even turned into a starfox title.
Fuck Star Fox. It has three reps.
Donkey Kong is the true series that needs another representative.
>Make her an alt of Diddy!
Dixie deserves better. If Lucina can be her on character, Dixie damn well should be too.
>But K. Rool
I'm sorry Retro and EAD were a load of cocks towards the Kremlings. We may get him as a boss.
If Star Fox is so much more popular than FE, why does FE get a semi-annual game while Star Fox is dead?
Also remember to vote
It takes roughly 1/6th the dev time of a real character to make a clone
It would take ~6 clones to take the time of one character
For this reason, I have stopped counting clones as full slots
Zelda has 3 slots so-far and Fire Emblem has 3 as well. Star Fox had 1 in Brawl. Or more simply, Fire Emblem has 3 movesets.
Star Fox is a tiny series compared to Fire Emblem, I don't think they should invest a lot of dev time into it. Wolf as a clone would be fine, but I feel Falco is too similar to fox on several fundamental levels to the point where you could just have Falco's old moveset be Fox's custom options.
Krystal would be a welcome newcomer in my eyes due to this Roster's lack of a staff user. However, She would also confirm my fear that Smash is putting characters in for the sole purpose of how many boners they give
Let's be real: if Fire Emblem can have 4 reps in Smash bros U, there's no reason why Mother can't
>Was supposed to replace Ness in Melee
>Was instead delayed for Brawl because Mother 3 was delayed at the time, Ness stayed in Melee because of this
>Both Ness and Lucas appear in Brawl
>Lucas is a literal clone of Ness, only with elemental differences
pretty much, just know that learning wave dashing means almost nothing until you implement it into your play style. I suggest first going to somewhere like FD and just wave dashing across it constantly until you get the feel. then, play against a cpu or friend and try and implement what you learned when you play. you don't even have to constantly use wavedashing, just use it when you think its right.
Depends what character you like, if it's one with a really fast shorthop window like Fox it can be kind of frustrating to try learning wavedashing with him. I learned with Luigi since his wavedash is the furthest and most noticeable and has a fairly wide margin of error. (plus wavedashing around as Luigi is fun as hell)
Not him, but from my understanding of Smash if you're doing the wavedash correctly you'll always go a fixed distance. But like he said, some characters have very short wavedashing (Falcon, Fox) but some have very long wavedashing (Marth, Luigi). Who are you trying to use, by the way?
I agree actually. I've got one of those kinds and I always have leaves at the bottom. I usually drink it black, so you see it all swirl around everywhere. I do have a strainer though, so if I make a pot there's no problems, but sometimes you don't want to make a whole goddamn pot of tea.
I'm still disappointed that he abandoned Doc
I'm gonna be real I hate any drink that isn't fruit punch, water, or some kind of dairy. I can't stand the taste of things like tea or coffee.
I used to be a Falco main when I was a casual
Now I play Roy and Lucas. Even though I can't fucking stand Lucina as a character, knowing she'll play like Roy might sway me to play as her.
Please let me have my sexy Krystal please.
Please add her in Sakurai.
That shitty 3D model always remind me of those shitty videos.
I think his Adventures design was best.
I can't really tell how far off model it is from that angle. The most glaring issue that I'm seeing is the lack of fur and the textures in general.
If she did make it in, what do you think her Final Smash would be?
Tricky functioning exactly like a landmaster
I've heard from many that there's only one more character announcement left. Is that true? If so, it'd better be a Star Fox character.
And if it is true, is there any chance characters could be in the game that aren't announced?
Is this bait?
On the off chance it isn't, its Star Fox. And you aren't far off base. Its an on rails shooter where you play furries piloting spaceships called Arwings and fighting bad guys using them. In some games you can get out of the Arwing and do other stuff. Its pretty fun.
>not letting falco be more of a street fighting brawler
>not letting slippy have a move set similar to tails in sonic battle (gadgets and such)
>not letting Krystal just be a trophy
Y'all motherfuckers hate fun, don't you?
Sakurai said they were reaching the bottom of the newcomers they were planning on doing reveals for, so we'll probably get only one more video along the lines of the Little Mac/Lucina-Robin reveals before the game releases in September.
>why does FE get a semi-annual game while Star Fox is dead?
Because it takes no talent to run a grid-based strategy game through a random map generator and draw new variations of the same character.
Star Fox games actually require level design, you know, shit that takes work and talent.
You don't need to be. You could be in it for the gameplay or whatever. What the characters look like isn't important. Its a Nintendo series, so its pretty much guaranteed fun.
Ice Climbers are easy as fuck to do it with because of their jump noise being a huge audio cue
Luigi is another one thats alright for practice, he's not as easy as IC's but its extremely noticeable when you do it successfully
That said i have no idea how he handles in Project M
i think nobody knew wolf was even in last time until the game hit in japan and we got screencaps of the roster
>No Advance wars characters in smash o even a game.
I don't know what I would do if Chibiterasu were in the roster.
That would be the bee's knees.
>Compare Lucario, Krystal, and Renamon pic counts on e621
>The latter has almost/has more than the former two combined