I just finished every mainline/canon MGS and I have some questions. When did Liquid Snake become Liquid Ocelot? I assume it happened it MGS2. Also what is the whole point of memes
At the end of MGS1 Ocelot had Liquids arm grafted onto his. In MGS2 he starts getting possessed by the arm (most likely because his father was The Sorrow so he possess some psychic abilities).
After this happened he had it removed and another arm was put on. He then hypnotised himself to believe he was Liquid and that is when he became Liquid Ocelot.
He was only possessed in MGS2 because he spoke like Liquid. This is why his voice was back to normal in MGS4.
>what is the whole point of memes
1. Serves the Patriots to control the world
2. Since he's infertile due to the cloning process, memes are the only way for Snake to have a legacy.
between MGS and MGS4, after liquid death in the first episode. Gray Fox chopped his arm off, and he decided to put liquid's one instead. Then he had some psychotherapy and hypnosis to "become" Liquid.
Since we are doing this,i'm playing through MGS3 right now,on the part where you bring EVA to the lake to meet with the boss.For some reason,my pirated copy can't run some specific cut scenes,nothing big,until i missed the speech of what is the philosophers legacy.Can someone please explain to me?
Answers to all your questions and more.
TL;DW it doesn't matter and irl commentary
Ok,that seems a reasonable non deus ex machina plot feature.
And how does Ocelot is younger than naked snake in 3 but looks older than him in the events of phantom pain?
He's meant to be around 40.
Id say he looks about that.
First he was seriously being overtaken by Liquid's spirit, Ocelot being
the son of The Sorrow and all.
Later on he chopped off the arm and replaced it with the cyborg one he wields in MGS4, plus applied some hypnotherapy + nanomachines to act like good ol' Liquid.
MGS2 got fucking ridiculous near the end.
>Fortune betrays Solidus
>Ocelot betrays Solidus
>Ocelot goes in to Arsenal
>Liquid takes him over while he is in Arsenal
>Snake jumps to swim after Liquid after Liquid uses Arsenal to jump in to the Ocean.
I want to love MGS3 but I'm so fucking bad at it, even after all this time
1 and 2 are small areas inside with the top-down camera which I can handle, while 4 and Peace Walker go all third-person shootery
In 3 I'm always wrestling with the camera and I can never spot the guards in time since the areas are so big and open.
Seriously? Are we doing this again?
keep your belly to the ground 80% of the game and you will be fine.most boss fights of 3 are pathetic and the common enemies can all be defeated with just the M22 and knowing when to stop crawling to aim.
unless ya doing extreme european. that's also a movie, btw :^)
What kills me is that Snake jumps in afterwards and clearly does not catch him, then turns up in the middle of manhattan soaking wet pretending he didn't just do something contrived and stupid
CUZ DIS VVVV WAS ALREADY POSTED
remember what paramedic said,most of the fun in fiction is not caring that much about realism,of all the games in the series,sons of the liberty being the one you really need to play with a grain of salt to realism
None of it is real. It's all Raiden in stuck in VR, even the tanker mission.
I've beaten it before (badly - for instance I never used CQC, and I just blasted the End to death with a shotgun), I started it up again trying to play it a little better.
I'm being spotted in fucking Virtuous Mission. Admittedly I'm fucking around a bit but still, it's disgraceful
I've been spoiled by the crouch walk
remember to use all your resources,i started using other items than only my tranquilizer to defeat patrols on 3.A knock on the all or book on the ground saved my life more times and i thought it would.
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It's actually a common thing called the VR Theory
You do know that Kojima stated in many interviews that he wanted to make MGS2 the last in the series, at least made by him, so he made it a commentary on sequelitis and social engineering through hype and context. There's actually pretty solid proof (no pun intended) in-game.
You don't have to answer all questions definitively, MGS2 in fact in its published iteration does not. Even after the tell-all epilogue of 4. Leaving things ambiguous is a staple of thinking fiction.
Liquid was NEVER possessing Ocelot. It was a ruse from day 1.
People still spout this bullshit because of a line in the MGS4 database, which is so full of errors it was probably written by someone who never actually played the games, just took some notes while watching a couple videos on youtube.
you're missing the point. as the game stood, it didn't require more explanation, because the plot itself was superficial to the hidden commentary.
I loved MGS3 but I kind of wish the series stopped at mgs2.
Get the Substinence version, it includes a proper 3rd person controllable camera. The problem is that in large areas you get huge FPS drops, I don't know whether it's the engine or PCXS2 but regardless of resolution or emulator settings your FPS can drop really low at times.
How do I get gud with the box in 3? I was able to use it in all other MGS games, but in 3 whatever I do, guards always kick it over and then I have to remember the basics of CQC all over again.
He got the arm attatched for whatever reason. Due to crazy Metal Gear universe the spirit of Liquid was in the arm and started to take him over. He fought it off again and again. Eventually having the arm entirely removed so he could keep his sanity. But then it was decided that his being a crazy fuck was actually useful, and that the persona of Liquid could come in handy. So they get him a new prosthetic one with artificial muscle(not crazy raiden style, just slighlty stronger than a normal arm) and use hypnosis and other shit to make him into a artificial copy of Liquid with just base traits of the original Ocelot.
He then goes on his whole attack plan and the story goes on until the final fight with Snake wherein Snake literally beats the Liquid out of him.
If you want the Deets check out the wiki. Or download the MGS handbook that I believe is a free purchase when you own MGS4.
Even in the middle orange brickwork bit?
I just feel like nothing I do works. I can't sneak up to CQC grab someone because no matter how slow I go, my footsteps alert them
The soldier in the middle couldn't hear my knocking so I couldn't do that.
Eventually I literally just memorised where everyone was and tranq'd them. Which is shit, I know, but nothing else would work
I know that, I'm on free camera already, I just mean I'm never looking where I want to and there's always a guard out of my site.
You need to STALK faggot. They say it to you a dozen times, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Use the D-pad to stalk. It confused the hell out of me back then too, in mgs1/2 you just have to be careful where you walk and you can run right up to niggas and in 4 you just move a little slower and they never hear you coming.
Try switching around your camo, you're bound to find something that lets you be invisible on the orange floor.
On that topic, with PCXS2 does anyone know how to download all of the extra camos?
>that one level before Groznyj with all the flame troopers in the trenches
FUCKING SHIT, they pissed me off to no end. I went full lethal on them and either snapped their necks or emptied AK mags into them at point blank. Then I tranq-killed The Anger and got his camo which resists flame knockdowns, and I haven't fought a single one since.
Its not a theory. In the MGS2 comic they full out say it. He's the son of the Sorrow and has slight untrained psychic potential. Combine that with a pretty strong connection to Liquid and his family, boosted even more by using the faggots arm... And boom, you get possessed Ocelot. His own fathers spirit visits him and say's he's a little ashamed that his son doesn't have the willpower to overcome a dead spirit that should know its place.
No it doesn't bother me, It was one of the coolest moments when he broke out of the cuffs, but when I finished the game I lost it when imagining Snake trying to swim after it, Liquid laughing at him as he speeds off, snake then having to swim in shame all the way to the shore and showing up in front of Raiden not wanting to talk about it.
>So did you catch Liquid?
>u-uh, n-no, but memes and stuff I guess
>"Do you want to save, Snake?"
OP to answer your question, Ocelot took the role as Liquid Ocelot after MGS2. He pretended that Liquid took over his entire personality.
The memes part is that Raiden wasn't sure what he is supposed to pass on. Genetics, his history, his ideas, etc. Since Solid and Solidus are both clones of Big Boss, and unable to reproduce, they need to find a way to leave a mark in the history books.
Oh it is? I haven't read the comic. I know it was written by different people, Is it canon according to Kojima? Regardless I like that they acknowledge the connection, it clears up the possession thing.
He has stated his favorite is MGS3, you donut
Yup, just camo up, then crawl up to about 10 feet and stalk the rest of the way.
Or you can just tranq everyone from a distance, followed by kicking them in the head to wake them up, then hold them up, interrogate them, and steal all their swag. While simultaneously shooting out any all all radios, and every so often kneecapping a faggot that doesn't wanna give up the good.
And remember. D-pad stalk when you're crawling around guards too. They can still hear you if you crawl normally like footsteps if you're too close.
If you're fast enough, you don't need to stalk. Just run straight up to them and they'll turn around and notice the footsteps, but by the time they do, you'll be in range to CQC slam/grab them before triggering an alert.
Yeah, that's his name. Exposed Reptile killed him along with The Hurt, The Scare, The Finish, The Feels, and The Leader, after which Exposed Reptile takes on the name Large Leader to symbolize his defeat of The Leader.
Pic related: Exposed Reptile
The best Cobra.
Why was he given so little screen time?
>mfw playing MGS3 with a knockoff DS3 with no pressure sensitive buttons
>all those scientists and guards that got their throats slit before I just set the button sensitivity in PCXS2 lower so I could interrogate them and knock them out
You forgot the fights with Dwarf Leopard and Lightning Bisexual
Was the whole story line that occured planned from the start, like when they made MGS1?
As there seems to be nothing that really confirms it in the rest of the series after MGS1, maybe I missed something but it just seems like the story line was made after MGS1.
For example when you are being tortured in MGS1 and are pretty much unconscious and Ocelot is the only one in the room with you he mutters stuff like "I do all this for mother Russia, I love mother Russia" but then the later games say he never gave a fuck about Russia at least during MGS1 and it was all a ruse.
But why when on his own would he mutter stuff like that, if he didn't give a shit about Russia.
>vulture eats ded guard
>ded vulture perched on ded guard
>guard screams "YOU ATE ME!!"
This. He was one of the easiest to kill as well, next to Fear who got stamina killed because I threw out 20 tarantulas and poison frogs, and the End because, well, my entire food storage was Reticulated Pythons, Calorie Mates, and Instant Noodles so he didn't really have a chance to tranq kill me. For The Fury all you had to do was shoot him 3 times with the MK22 and then he'll do the wounded animation and run off, then you just wait for him to walk back around since he's loud, slow, and a large target. And if he shoots flame out at you just move to another hallway.
Best part is when you eat a well fed vulture and call up Paramedic for her to explain how they eat people and you can watch as Snake quietly realizes that he's a cannibal by proxy.
Naked Snake and PARA-Medic have the best relationship.
Any Ocelot-related plotholes can be explained away with 'he's nuts'
Nobody knows his motives, he's frequently a triple- or quadruple-agent, he betrays everyone, he does thinks for seemingly no reason.
All he wants is Big Bossu. Watch that get retconned in V
Well, you still go up against The Feels, although I had to go through it 3 or 4 times before I figured out that you have to use the Revival Pill after you walk into him to get the Souls camo. After the second time I couldn't get it I just pumped Snake full of LF Meds and rubberbanded the L Analog Stick on my controller down. It was weird how Reptile could evade the Feel's blasts just by walking straight ahead since The Feels doesn't correct his aim during the animation.
The hardest bossfight was probably the first time you fight Wheelgun Cat, since he moves around a lot and I don't think there's any MK22 ammo near you, plus the bitch ass Feline Squad keeps interfering just when I start to kick his ass.
"If the player equips the torch before fighting The Fury, an extra scene is included in The Fury's introduction where Snake drops the torch."
>using the thermo goggles
I bet you played on the easiest difficulty too.
MGS1 was the story he wanted to tell. He spent years perfecting it including his first two metal gears, in which numerous similarities point to them being almost some kind of prototype of MGS1. Everything after that was made up as he went along.
Probably leaves rotten food for and poison dart frogs for The Spooky too.
Pic related, it's the spooky afterwards
I did that, but even with all the hives down it still takes a few shots to down him. Shooting his hat off was funny, though. It was funny how much of a little brat SAA Feline was, which led to Snake kicking his ass every time they fought.
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Real men have a quickdraw duel with him.
Captcha looks like "and ishewt"
The Patriots were Zero, Paramedic, Sigint, EVA, Ocelot, and at times Big Boss. But he couldn't stand just how rotten they had gotten. Around the time of MGS1 they created the A.I.s. This was also when Paramedic and Sigint died, while EVA dropped off the map. Ocelot kept running around with crazy spy games, and Zero, who was already in his 50's or so by the time of MGS3 was getting truly fucked by old age as the AIs gained enough intelligence to take over for him.
What do you think feels are anon?
Does anyone have more of these MGS comics? I need to build up my folder for when The Elusive Hurt is released.
>yfw you realize Para-Medic did just that, got his sperm that way, she makes...
...I just realized you put Le Terrible Kids. Good work, anon.
Liquid never become Ocelot. Ocelot was just pretending