Why is the sword such a overused weapon in games. Especially

>>246406924
Polearms are peasant's weapons.

It's balanced and much less cumbersome than a halberd.

Because you're uncultured.

>>246406987
I have no fighting skills.

I'd gladly pick a spear or halberd over a sword in real life.

It's balanced. Hammers and axes are usually associated with brutes and huge dudes, daggers are usually associated with shady types like thieves and assassins. Swords are great for generic warrior-types.

I remember in DaS when I switched to a halberd shit felt like easymode.
>killing everyone from a distance
>oneshot almost everything

sword is traditionally an hero's weapon, you aspie fuck. crawl back to /tg/ where you belong.

it's one of the simplest weapons to implement, just make a generic slashing animation and call it a day

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>still no vidya with gun-weapons

I like books as weapons

>>246407198

And then they changed it to pussy spin2win in DaS2. I want my old halberd back qq

>>246407310
There are a lot of video games with guns anon-kun

A sword is mostly blade, so it's easily to animate it and make it look cool. With a spear you have to put more work into animation, also most devs design their games around you always being at a reach disadvantage because they're a bunch of lazy fucks. If they gave you a spear they'd have to either put effort into creating interesting enemies, or make the spear a slow piece of shit/give you shitty short range attacks.

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>>246407310

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>>246407310

Halberds are good.
Stab or overhead slash for single enemies ,sweep for AOE.

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>>246407359
Is there a gun with gun cutlery?
I wish

>>246407383
>implying that's a gun

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Smacking people with polearms in M&BW is fun as fuck

>>246407310
>>246407380
>>246407383
>>246407438

>posting that shit here

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>>246406987
Nope. A good poleaxe is infinitely more competent against armor than any sword.

>>246406924
Rule of cool. That's why. Makes for hell better fight scenes than sniping ever could.

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>>246407440

>tfw when couched lance hits

>>246407380
What a terrible weapon. The barrel will bend after the first mace strike, especially if it's hot after firing. Plus it's super difficult to aim.

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>>246407310
ACIV

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>>246407612
I dont think you realise quite how thick a gun barrel is.

Italian or Gothic style, anons?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq03z9Hkq2s

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>>246407627
neat.jpg

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I just wish games had more exotic weapons besides 'axe, sword, mace in one handed and two handed flavors!'

I would be very, very pleased if a game introduced a weapon like a bladestaff or Naginata. Even if it isn't much more complex then a 'sword on a longer handle' I'd still love if, my favorite weapon.

>>246406924
Swords are popular in fantasy for the same reasons that dual wielding, jumping attacks, and spinning attacks are popular.

The masses like dumb shit. Disregard that Polearms can do spinning jumping attacks better than swords anyways.

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>>246407709
>not going with german all day erry day

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>>246407581

The best feel. I just wish the ACOK mod would let me use halberds from horseback. I can't remember if it was possible in vanilla, but I think it was

>>246407808

How the fuck would that even work, would you hold the blade in your hands?

>play diablo 2 back in the day
>make a polearm barb
>the only good unique polearms are shitty scythes and not glorious halberds.

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>>246407868
>>246407936

>>246407951

Maybe you use it to punch the enemy.

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>>246407951
Yes. Swords are so incompetent against armor that they would grip the blade and use it like a retarded hammer.

>>246406924
that is the most badass weapon of all time

fucking halberds bro

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>>246407951
it's called a mordschlag

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xoen1r_medieval-fight-book_creation?start=14 35 minutes in shows a good example.

>>246407873
edit the items, its super easy.

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>>246408025
Note that the Knight to the right is also resorting to using his sword like a retarded spear.

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>>246408025
>thinking utility is a bad thing

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>>246408121
If you wanted utility you wouldn't be using a sword.

>>246406924
Because you cant wear a poleaxe.
In video games you dont play as a soldiers, you play as an adventurer.
An adventurer does a lot of walking, sneaking, walking, riding, walking, roaming, walking, drinking, walking, cooking, walking, collecting herbs, walking, hunting, walking, talking to people, walking and walking.

Its much more practical to have a short weapon that you can wear on you than a huge ass stick with a heavy end.

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Because most people have this idea in their head that anything that's not a sword is a unbalanced super clumsy retard-o weapon which attacks at a snails pace, gets stuck in everything and causes it's wielder to stumble around on a missed swing (excluding the katana, which apparently is not a sword and will be even faster than them)

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>>246408175
polearms do not have more utility than a sword.

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>>246408219
>dark souls

>>246406987
Peasants did the majority of the actual fighting.

>>246408262
In a fight they have much more utility.
Outside of a fight a sword can be used to peal potatoes, as a cross to pray to, as jewelry, as something to rattle to seem angry, such things.

So a sword is a better utensil, but a polearm is a better weapon.

>>246408201
>maces and axes wouldn't be generally more practical for an adventurer

halberds are extremely overrated.

>>246408334
And yet you so rarely play as them in video games.

>>246408093
>spears on the ground
NIGGERS USE THEM, SWORDS ARE FOR UN-ARMORED COMBAT OR LAST DEFENSE

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>>246408219
>mfw Dark Souls
>Mfw halberds
>Mfw spears
>Mfw blunt weapons
>Mfw Bastard sword is longer than the longsword

>>246408395
Small time nobody rising through the ranks is a pretty common theme.

>>246408361
They would, and I would recommend them over a sword.
I'd say dagger, bow and axe for an adventurer.

However, the conversation is about sword vs poleaxe.

>>246408451
Once one of them picks one up, you KNOW the other will start shit talking him.

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>>246406987
>Halberds
>Not the weapons of heroes
Spears are a peasant's choice, though.

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>>246408350
you are acting like a weeaboo would act regarding a katana.

swords are a jack of all trades, they can be used very effectively in the defense, usable in realtively close quarters, for stabbing, hacking, slashing and crushing.

polearms are great, sure. but they are for more specific engagements, mainly armour. Their offbalance design and their nature as pole weapons makes them less useful for defensive fighting or for close quarters combat.

The bottemline is that there is no BEST weapon, only a weapon best suited for a specific situation. The strength of the sword is that it is useful although not the best in a lot more situations than a polearm would be.

That said, I think the best way to go would be a weapon like a polearm and using a sword as a side-arm. But since most games and shit only let you have 1 or the other, I'd go with a sword.

>>246408451
Spears have been used in armored combat for a long time, what the fuck are you talking about? A sword is often the sidearm.

>>246408262
>Can penetrate or smash armor
>Longer shaft == Greater body leverage
>Both shaft and axe head can be used for takedowns... Superior force may knock opponent down on a clean hit regardless.
>Reach advantage, also allows you to target legs with ease.

Nah.

>>246408334
[citation needed]

>>246408219
Fantasy weapons tend to be heavy and big for the sake of cool

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BILLMEN
BILLMEN
HEAVY BILLMEN
BILLMEN
LONGBOWMENLONGBOWMEN

KEEP HEART YOU SPINELESS WOMEN!

>>246408451
Good luck levering that spear into an eye slit.

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Shit, I'm late to the arms and armor thread and someone already posted the gunmace.

>>246408661
You think the front lines of battlefields were full of kings and noblemen?

>>246408623

Pole-swords are for shitters like the guy in your picture.

>>246408661
See: Every war that ever happened ever.

>>246408262
>gunkeyblade
Maximum edge!

>>246408634
You are acting like a weeaboo would act regarding a katana.

Filler filler filler filler.

The bottom line is that there is a BEST weapon class, and thats the polearm. Spears and poleaxes have dominated warfare for as long as melee weapons have been relevant.

That being said, swords are still a thing you could bring with you, if you want to, since you can wear it on your side and use it when your spear breaks.

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>>246407310
http://monsterhunter.wikia.com/wiki/Gunlance

>>246408634
>no best weapon
>doesn't know about pipebombs

>>246408634
>The most prominent weapon in human history
>"Used for specific engagements."

Mankind has been using pole weapons since the hunter gatherer days, and pole weapons have far greater variety as evidence in such weapons as Javelins, Lances, and Pikes.

>>246408350
You're underplaying the sword's usefulness in survival situations. Can easily kill and skin animals, climb tall tall trees with no issues at all, a whole bunch of shit.

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>infantry

>>246408817
>cunt gets close to you

gg cunt unless you're a muslim

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>>246408789

>>246408729
And Danish people.

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Just what I expected.

>Skyrim
I'm going to bludgeon a dragon to death or slash at its scales (extremely ineffective) with a sword/axe.

Spears and lances are weapons for slaying giant monsters.

>>246408850
>hunting with A FUCKING SWORD

You have never been outside your basement, have you?

>>246408870
>implying they'll get close to you with a well placed pipebomb

>>246408634
Swords are much more expensive to produce than spears. Typically only people of status carried them.

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>>246408769
>bringing no arguments to the table

spear and poleaweapons have dominated wars because of formation fighting, not because of the weapon itself.

the utility of the swords make them stand out. And im not arguing for the best weapon, only that swords have a greater utility and would be a better choice when youre going into a situation you cant prepare for. as in a long journey with a host of varying obstacles.

>>246408451
Spears would be even shittier than swords in this situation, though. Neither is going to pierce the armor, and the spear is trickier to use as a bludgeon. Spear might be a bit better for tripping the other guy up, though.

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>>246408093

It's why I've never understood these combat manuals. I realize that they did this back then, but nigger use a fucking mace. At what point do you have to think to yourself "shit, I better use this perfectly fine bladed object as a blunt weapon?"

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>>246407936
>>246407992
Gothic armor is best armor.

Milanese can suck a dick.

>>246408262
What you mean is that a sword has more utility and is a generally more overall balanced weapon, capable of being favorable in multiple situations.
Polearms are useful in very few situations, but in those situations, they are the best thing to have.

>>246408949
Spears are great because they have range. Lances are usually a one time use item on horseback.

>>246408954
Thats actually horseshit for most of the medieval period.
It used to be the case very, very early in the dark ages, but swords quickly became commonplace and in some places it was illegal not to own one.

>>246408936
I'd play this then download every doujin.

>>246408950
so you'd rather use your hands?

Nice strawman btw

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>>246408837
yes specific kinds of engagements, like formation fighting. which dominated warfare for most of humanity's history.
try using a spear outside of a formation fight and you're likely to come at a disadvantage.

Axes can be counted as poleweapons, and those were popular during the early medieval period. moreso than other weapons until Hastings.
Does that make axes better than spears or swords?

>>246409019
>in some places it was illegal not to own one

America? But it didn't exist yet.

>>246406924
Because its versatile

>>246408998
Almost nobody used poleaxes except english knights because they're daft cunts who preferred to fight on foot. The rest of the world (read: france) had their knights fighting on horseback, which was a lot more effective.

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>>246408967
>spears dominated wars because they win wars, not because they are good weapons

>>246409059
I'd rather use a spear, or a bow.
I'd have a better time making traps and setting snares with a dagger, or an axe.
A sword is not, never has been a hunting weapon.

>>246407804
How are you supposed to wield this?
Looks like a spear, but extra cumbersome

>>246408710
M2TW is the best TW

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>>246408954
there was a short period where peasants were forbidden from carrying swords OUTSIDE OF BATTLEFIELDS.
That's where that myth stems from.

>>246408989
yes exactly.

>>246408491

>broadsword is shaped like a triangle
>longsword is not long
>longbow needs 6 STR, winged spear requires 13
>every axe

It just goes on and on

>>246409081
Everything is better than swords
Good swords were just fancy clubs

>>246408850
I know you're joking, but:
>Can easily kill and skin animals
Having done that with a oversized knife, I can say that it would be almost impossible with a sword, especially a straight/dual-edged one.
>climb tall tall trees with no issues at all
WHY NOT JUST LEAVE YOUR FUCKING WEAPON ON THE GROUND SO YOU DON'T ACCIDENTALLY DROP IT. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO FIND IN THAT TREE THAT YOU NEED A WEAPON FOR?

Are you a video game?

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>tfw so few games have proper Gothic plate

>>246409081
In single combat a man with a spear still has an advantage over a man with a sword, if neither of them has armor.

>>246408989
If by "utility" you mean domestic duels, then yes swords are pretty good. There is a reason that the Katana gained it's popularity AFTER Sengoku.

>>246408661
In war, peasants would go and fight for the money and honour it would bring so their family didn't have to live in poverty farming.
It would mean they could move to the city, maybe buy a store.

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>>246409113
Doesn't change my opinion that they're damn nice looking.

>>246409127
Dat ass in thongs on preview pic

>>246409228
Because everyone forgot that the Samurai's weapons of choice were Yumi, Naginata, and Spear?

Most succesfull armies in history

>Roman Empire
>British Empire
>Mongols

No one of them used spears or halberds.

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>>246409320
>yumi, naginta
>spear

>>246408982
because you can use a sword when you're unarmoured fighting someone else unarmoured, when you don't have swords.

if you had a mace, you need to swing it - a sword can just jab you in the stomach and you can't smack someone with your mace in time

>>246409081
If the sword user lacks a shield the spear wielding is still going to rape him.

The best attributes of a sword are probably random duels (as you can easily carry it on you at all times) and how well they compliment shield usage.

>>246408623
that's a Guan-dao, silly.

>inb4 "no, his name is Guan Yu"

>>246409240
>peasant levies were about social mobility

What is this revisionist libertarian Americlap horseshit?

>>246409379
>Roman Empire
>didn't use spears or halberds
You're retarded.

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>>246409379
>Roman Empire
>Mongols
>British line infantry
>Never used spears

>>246409379
Romans definately used spears, albeit it's often the auxiliaries who wield them.

England also used spears regularly. Mongols used spears on horseback.

>>246409379
Yes they did.

>>246409468

javelins are not spears

>>246409240
Peasants = Feudal farmers.

They had no choice and if they were serfs (the majority were) they were actually forbidden from leaving their land unless their lord said so.

>>246409379
>Roman Empire
They supplemented their own forces with various army auxiliaries
>British Empire
Great Britain? Greatest Navy the world had ever seen
>Mongols
Horse Archers

Look at that, sword didn't do shit

>>246409401
Sorry bro
Katana has always been a dick waving weapon

>>246409320
Because everyone knows that the bow was the preferred weapon of the samurai?
That's why the symbol for 'family' contains the symbol for 'arrow'

>>246409210
goddamn the Sallet is such a baller design for a helmet

>>246409516
>javelins are not spears
Now I know you're retarded.

>>246409379
>Who was Alexander the great

>>246409240
>peasants had any choice in their own affairs
Alright, what the actual fuck?

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>>246409379

>Roman Empire
>not using spears

Pick one, fag.

>>246409478

>British Empire during colonies
>using spears

>>246409536
>call each weapon by their japanese names
>call the yari spear

Swords are damn near useless against plate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hlIUrd7d1Q

Give me a hammer or pick any day.

>>246409592
>What is a bayonet

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>>246409246

>>246409424
Well they're not going to fight because they want to.
They fight for the same reason people these days fight

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>>246409550
Frogmouths are cooler

A real gentlemen uses a rapier.

>>246409516

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/javelin

jav·e·lin
noun \?jav-l?n, ?ja-v?-\

>a long spear that people throw as far as they can as a sport

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javelin

>A javelin is a light spear designed primarily to be thrown

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Arms and armor threads are great, since they give me an excuse to post these.

>>246409632
Bayonets aren't swords you dick hoarder

They're gun knives

>>246409516
javelins and spears were used

>>246409401
Yumi = bow, often used from horseback despite being HUGE
Naginata = polearm, similar to a Danish swordstaff
Spear (Yari) = Just a regular spear

>>246409651
Because they are the property of their lords?
Because they will be killed and their women raped then killed if their lord loses?

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>>246409379
The shit

>>246409516
This has to be b8

>>246409709
>Moving the goalposts from spears to swords

>>246409707
A roman pilum could be used as a spear. Romans were known to form thick formations and hold out their pila to ward off cavalry charges.

>>246409728
WHO FUCKING TOLD YOU THIS

>>246407659
I don't think you realise quite how thick whatever the fuck you are hitting is.

Do you guys know any good guide about weapons in medieval times?

>>246409379
They all used spears.
And you didnt list the greeks.

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>Wah! What are we going to do on the ramparts, m'lord?
>Clank =3

>>246409650
Pretty good.

>>246409871
video games

>>246409886

but the Greeks never formed a great empire

>>246409863
Uh..history? Serfdom is essentially slavery.

>>246409804

>A roman pilum could be used as a spear

Because it is a spear

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>>246409708

>>246409895
>you will never have an iron girlfriend

>>246409936
Macedon

>>246409863
My American publicly funded grade school, in history class, in the week of Independence day in the state of Kansas

>>246409895

What the hell?

>>246409936
>who is alexander
He formed an empire so great that even divided into a few parts each was still big enough to be called a great empire on its own.

The mongols and the greeks had the best empires. Rome is a distant third.

>>246409629
This makes me wish for a game about fighting in medieval armor where you get to use sweet wrestling moves to get your opponent on the ground then try to stab his weak points.

>>246409804
The romans that used pila.
Romans had hundreds of men that would only use spears, short swords as a secondary.
They formed at the front of the battle because they had the best armor and were usually veterans (people also gained this rank by buying expensive equipment) and they are called Triarii.

>>246410038

>Alexander
>greek

>>246406924
Yeah I'm always bugged when I'm playing vidya and my character ends up fighting something massive and I can somehow kill it by swinging a piece of metal roughly 1 meter long at it's shins.

>>246409997
Be careful mate, I got banned from /v/ for saying that Alexander's empire is greek and not FYROMian.
Got banned for life for pedophilia for saying it, in fact. That mod might still be around.

>>246407438
I would eat every meal with a loaded gunspoon if I could.

>>246407951
You can totally just hold a blade without cutting yourself.
Especially if you have gauntlets on.
As long as there isn't an actual cutting motion it's harmless.
People would even grip their opponents blade from time to time.

>>246409127
bullshit, nearly all 16-23 year olds know basic shit like that

>>246410038
They weren't great though

They got their shit kicked in by a bunch of western barbarians and their kings humiliated

>liking fancypansty german plate over plain and efficient italian armor

The fuck?

>>246410118
>My armor's folding on its own.

>>246409895
cute.
I wish my waifu was made of metal.

>>246410204
>rome supporter speaking about humiliated emperors and being fucked by barbarians

haahahahhhhahahah

>Not using a whip

>>246407951
You have to do a cutting motion with a sword. Try pushing a knife into a steak. Doesn't work too well now does it?

>>246410118
>ain't gonna polish itself, wench.

>>246410274
They willingly allowed themselves to get fucked though, just like America & yorop now :^)

>>246409726
>Spear (Yari) = Just a regular spear

There's actually a lot of different types of yaris.

>>246408093
Certain large swords had a second guard for just such a thing.
You would grip the blade below the second guard and basically use it to have a shorter sword or spear for better maneuvering.

>>246410331
>oh shit, i lost that battle, better retreat into /pol/ tier arguments to hdie myself

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>>246410290
>You have to do a cutting motion with a sword
I wasn't aware I was on /k/

>>246410285
Whips are for cattle hearding.

>>246410290
Won't the blade slip in your hands while swinging?

>>246410096
>>246410038
>>246409572

Alexander fags please go.
His 'empire' was a tiny piece of shit.

>>246410407
And keeping your sluts in line.

>>246410401
Its common sense. Go grab a sharp knife, hold it by the blade and hammer a nail using the grip.
Easy and you wont cut yourself.

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Awful lot of Darkeyes in this thread. Stay jelly of my sword, plebs.

>>246410414
You hold it firmly and of course you'd be wearing some kind of gloves.

>>246410341
Just like there are allot of different types of spear... That is what Yari translates to.

>>246410450
Nice empire, mate. Oh wait :D

>>246410441

>"HENSHIN!"

>>246410493
the quote was referring to a "regular spear" which one cannot really say. It's like saying "regular sword". Doesn't work that way.

>>246410448
>Going into battle without fucking gloves
>Sharpening your blade so much that it'll chip

>>246410407
A whip would be top tier in a universe with enchanted weapons and is infinitely more badass than swords.

>>246410576
>using a sword as a main weapon on the battlefield
>wearing gloves while doing your day to day shit

Can you imagine the balls required to charge into battle in the pre-gunpowder ages? You might get shot by an arrow or bolt and have no way of avoiding it. You might trip and get trampled by your own guys, or run down by a horse. You could come up against a huge motherfucker with a sword longer than you are that would cut you in half. You might find yourself against a guy in full plate armor, swing full power with your weapon and do no damage at all. You would have no idea who's winning until you found yourself surrounded either by friends or enemies.

In Japan, swords were considered the weapons of nobles. Thus, it's considered nobler to wield a sword.

In America, it's because we got a lot of our shit from Europe and they're pretty much the kings of romanticizing swords. I personally blame King Arthur and the half-a-dozen magic swords.

>>246407109

And would die immedietly if you are in any kind of tight space.

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I'm literally watching the Queen's speech right now. Pole weapons are still in use to this day.

>>246410653
During the age of line warfare soldiers would often be hesitant to charge into combat even if it was advantageous. They would often both reload and attempt to hit each other.

>>246409865
Tempered metal doesn't bend during a blow retard.
It'd crack first and you'd need a hell of a sustained force to do it.

>>246410715
As opposed to him choosing a sword and dying immediately without the need for tight space.

>>246410715
>kind of tight space.

That's what battlefields are. You don't just dissolve into pairs and duel each other. You fight in a formation with a weapon designed for formation fighting. Your regular mid medieval swords were usually carried as a sidearm.

>>246410441
>No armored underwear

So I guess the best way to take down an armored knight is tackle him to the ground and stab him in the taint?

>surprise lithotomy!

>>246410719
But swords are royal and noble! Only peasants use polearms!

Why don't people just use two shields but make them edged and spiked. Defensive and huge as maces. Shit even getting bashed with a shield fucking hurts.

>>246409924

Fuck that looks great...

>>246410653
Well there's not a lot of mights, since you'd know exactly what you're up against, and you'd likely be prepared to face it, unless your commander is totally shit.

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>>246410806
>No sexy metal pants

>>246410806
Yes actually, and the sword makes for an excellent lever. But then again fights on foot in armor was rare.

>>246407804
Naginatabro! As shamefur as it is for a mustard race to admit it, it was Fat Princess that made me love them.

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how did this weapon become well known at all?

>>246410920
It's a long weapon easy to carry and excellent for self defense.

>>246410920

French people

>>246410920
The basket hilt longsword?
Reach of a spear and comfortable to wear.
Also had good marketing by being labeled a gentlemans weapon.

>>246410920
Gentleman's jewellery, they look good, they made a good status symbol.

After the rapier (which was actually a rather heavy weapon and slow to wield) the small sword became more fashionable. The small sword was much lighter and still had a deadly point making it an extremely effective self-defense and duelling weapon for civilians. Since you didn't have to worry about your opponent wearing armor, all you had to do was put a few holes in him and the fight would be over.

>>246410920
Why wouldn't it be?

It was one of the most used swords from the late middle ages to the early modern era.

>>246410753
>Implying
If caught in a tight space with a spear or other pole weapon you are utterly defenseless and utterly screwed. With a sword you are still capable of defending yourself at most combat ranges (except against arrows obviously). Do you have any idea how easy it is to knock a spear or halberd to the side then move inside it's uselessness range? These weapons were for single charging lunges and killing horses and mounted troops by pointing it at them. They are hugely unbalanced and in a fight are completely worthless because of that.

>>246410835
The most understated aspect of a weapon is what it's like to carry it. In all wars, even modern ones, a large majority of soldiers don't even see combat, so they're just carrying an excessive amount of gear doing day to day activities. Carrying around a sharpened shield with a spike is just inconvenient.
Using a shield with a sharp edge in a formation is also retarded, since you wouldn't be able to swing at all during a shield wall, and since your primary formation weapon is a short spike, your range is shit, and your formation would just be speared to death.

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>>246410719
Don't forget these guys.

>>246411083
The rapier isn't a heavy weapon, it weighs about the same as a regular long sword.

>>246410835

>>246406924
swords are awesome

I picked up swordfighting a month ago and while it's fedora as fuck, I'm having the time of my life when I'm practicing it. Even more fun than I do with video games these days.

Monday is a holiday where I live and the teacher is going to a Renessaince fair to showcase his fencing school, but he said we can still come and train all day if we like. Gonna be fun :3

>>246407310
Every gun is a weapon

>>246411116
Not him you're replying but it seems that you're assumang that you woudl be fighting alone which is almost never the case.

>>246411116
>Do you have any idea how easy it is to knock a spear or halberd to the side then move inside it's uselessness range?

You can bring your spear back very easily.
And if I am as strong as you are, you aint pushing it aside any time soon.

Why didn't they make a sword that was a bow at the same time?

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Why don't more games let your throw iron dicks at people?

>>246411291
A sword that can bend? Genius.

>>246411313
because thats a weapon for niggers and all ancient/medieval/sword and board shit is european or asian

>>246410798

Yes, because unlike the spear the sword is a versatile weapon you can use in on the toilet just as well as out in the battlefield. The spear will have its advantage in the formation but anywhere else, nope.

Personally I'd rather suck in a formation but be able to fight anywhere, then be stuck with a weapon that depends so much on others and space.

Ofcourse, normally we should just have both.
Though if we were men on the battlefield in the past we would be the peasants fighting with rakes and whatever shit we got from our barns before heading off to die.

>>246411313

I am still waiting for war scythes to be in more games

>>246411116
Pole weapons are CQC weapons, you can not only adjust the grip but there are take down techniques.

If you are at a range where the Pole weapon is useless a dagger would be a superior weapon to both a sword and a Spear/Polearm weapon, as you are now in grappling range.

>>246411280
Why would you be in a tight space with a spear? Stabbing weapons excel in close quarters anyway, unless you mean so tight that the spearman has his back to the wall.

You can try to knock someone's spear away but the guy can also move backwards while simultaneously pulling the spear point back. A jab with a long weapon is relatively safe to pull off since you're not putting any of your body in the enemy range.

>>246408025
I always imagined that this was the product of the artist being too much of a faggot to ever actually fight and he just wanted to draw those beautiful knights and this is the result.

>>246408093
>retarded spear
He's using the handle as a club

>>246411280
If you are holding your spear in both hands then you have no shield. If I have both a shield and a sword, you would be fucked. If you wielded a spear and a shield at the same time, I could push your spear away with both shield and sword arm while closing in, which would also result in you being screwed.

>>246406924
polearms are harder to animate and developers are lazy

>>246411458
People owned both weapons, sword was mostly a sidearm. You wouldn't carry a fucking spear around while doing shoppnig. Depending of the era and the country you weren't even allowed to carry a sword aroudn

>>246411116

Except you can just adjust your grip for different ranges just as you would with an axe or sword
>Know a halberd aside
>easy
Pole weapons are easier to maintain control of because you can have two hands at separate ranges giving you better leverage than holding it by the very base
It's why people half sword, better accuracy and control

>>246408640
lrnt2readokthxbai

>>246411397
Would you rather have something brittle? Shit would break so damn fast.

However, I am a fan of some good ol' swordchucks.

>>246411553
Was referring to the image I was quoting. That the positions are flipping is just unfortunate.

>>246411280
>And if I am as strong as you are, you aint pushing it aside any time soon.

Thats not how physics work, I need to push aside a stick with a guy on its other end just enough to step forward, you need to push aside a 100kg person with your stick, or step backwards.

If you don't have 2 guys with their own spears on your left and right you are at a disadvantage on this.

>>246411365
>Cat Armor
Now I have seen everything.

>>246411280
Not true, the difference is in leverage and when you're wielding a spear you have little leverage over it's point because the heavy end is far from where you are holding it (holding it near the end would defeat the purpose of it's range all together). I've held a spear before and I think you are vastly underestimating how fucking heavy they actually are, just keeping them pointed in the direction you want WITHOUT someone trying to knock them aside get's painful on the arms after about 5-10 minutes.

>>246411458
This is a great example who's understanding of history comes from videogames. No, people didn't carry weapons everywhere. You weren't allowed to walk in a town fully equipped.

>>246411562
This is likely a big element. Most melee fighting in video games is just an idiot swinging their arms.

Consider Skyrim: Axe, Sword, and Mace all contain the same swinging animations... To the point that you can behead people with a mace.

>>246411621

>armored panther in battle

Gonna fuck you up mang, just needs some stell plated claws.

>>246411562
>>246411668

We have motion capture technology now you know. Most games use this now.

>>246411280
>>246411458
Where do these niggas get their sources?

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>>246406924
It's telling that pole weapons were in use before swords became a big deal and lasted way after.

Pike & Shot #1.

In a 1v1 fight, a moderately skilled fighter with a sword would probably beat an equally matched fighter, but by the time formation fighting came back into fashion (around the mid 15th century), a strong line of pikes would seriously hinder most swordsmen.

If course, medieval warfare is a different matter, given that it basically looks like a better optimised Chivalry battle. Groups of men smash into each other and a huge clusterfuck ensues, then a few minutes later a group of Knights smash into the clusterfuck at the point they assume the most enemy soldiers are, and hopefully crush enough underhoof that they break and fuck off before they realise that their crude spears could unhorse them. All of this was usually done to the sound of archers either firing into the ball of men or taking potshots at Knights (which they were dissuaded from doing because the ransom on a Knight was astounding).

>>246411605
>carry long ass spear as last resort

u foken wot m8
r u kidding me

why would you do that

>>246411647

>you weren't allowed to walk in a town fully equipped during a siege

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>use a spear they said

>>246411776
How about you go to elementary school, pick you up a nice fucking copy of the hungry hungry motherfucking caterpillar and learn how to fucking read, you double nigger?

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>>246411718
WHO KEEPS TELLING PEOPLE THIS SHIT

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americans in charge of history

>>246411705
this shit is fucking expensive

>>246411801
Because the enemy just spawns from thin air like in video games so you have to sleep in full equipment.

>>246411613
>>246411116
As a two-handed weapon the spear/pole user has better leverage and grip. The bigger danger is not you knocking his weapon but him knocking YOUR weapon away.

Furthermore targeting a person's weapon is easier said than done, especially as the force can easily be dispersed by the wielder's body... Or they can just stab you while you are idiotically trying to hit their weapon, as you will be within the spear/pole user's lethal range.

>>246411803
>Obyron
>Spear
That was a bladed staff, not a spear. The difference is in the length and thickness of the pole you grip.

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>>246411291

>>246411613
>100kg person
j-sus christ

spears aren't meant to push people back anyway, and if holding a spear forwards gets your arms tired then you really need to start lifting. Phalangites could hold 20 feet sarissas for hours.

>>246411803
he did great with it. it was his lust for vengeance that ruined it for him

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The shield was the spear's biggest weakness. Anyone who had a decent shield could defend themselves against a spear fairly easily, while spearmen who had to take up the shield essentially cut their offensive effectiveness in half. In a disciplined formation nobody would be able to circle or push up against one another, but in single combat the shield would have allowed a swordsman to approach a spearman far too easily.

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>>246407951
Here's a video.

It looks stupid as fuck, but is apparently quite effective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi757-7XD94

>>246411968
Actually, 100KG isn't that heavy for a full grown man carrying a weapon, especially if they're wearing any kind of armour.

>>246411968
Nigga if you carry a sword and mail armor, and you weigh only 100kg, you scrawny as dick

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>>246412030
You get within a Pole/Spear's range and you are going to get grappled and shanked by a knife.

>>246411776
That's not what anyone said you retarded fuck

>>246411857
Three years spent at university studying medieval sources on battles. The development of warfare strategy and tactics from the medieval period through to the early modern period was the basis of my dissertation.

>>246412046
>...apparently quite effective.

Context matters: It's a sword. So yes, for a sword quite effective.

>>246412046
That's a Moreau, stupid pommy twats

>>246408661
This. Even Feudal armies refused to use peasants, because they where too malnourished and undertrained.

>>246409154
Short spear i guess.

>>246408723
Frontlines where usually filled with conscripts. You know: People who got trained for warfare.
The only fucking army in history to resort to peasants for a professional army is Naponeon era and later armies, and the British Longbowmen.
Even then, a "Longbowman" was basically a conscripted footman and no longer a peasant.
Do you know why the Feudal system worked? Because whoever was knights had to have a bunch of conscript and horses and good weapons. They could have 200-300 peasants, but none of those would be conscripts.

>>246412413
The very basis of the feudal system requires peasants to serve in the military, what are you talking about?

>>246408710

God I loved this game so fucking much. I think I've only sunk more hours in Diablo II.

>>246412030
There were no fucking 'swordsmen'. Swords were side arms used as a last resort, they're just glorified in media. If you could afford something better than a sword you would fucking use it, because swords are shit. Using a sword as your main weapon would be like a marine only using his handgun; retarded as fuck.

Roman empire being an exception because they used swords effectively in formation

>>246412413
>Implying it wasn't mandatory for everyone in England to practice archery

Even peasants would be able to fire a longbow immediately on draft.

Purely from the interest of a player of video games, largely ignorant of real life weaponry usage and not highly concerned with realism, I too am quite tired of SWORDS SWORDS SWORDS. I don't know which weapon was the best weapon, what's more practical, etc, but as purely a matter of personal, uninformed taste, I want to see more polearm usage.

Speaking of which, at first I was happy to get them in Dark Souls, then I was disappointed by how they actually worked. Were they used realistically? I do not know, or particularly care. I just didn't much like the attack motions they were generally given. It was a real wasted opportunity, if you ask me. Also, as usual that game seemed to default to swords like most games do, even if they have other weapons. More swords than other stuff, and when it comes to crazy magic weapons made from souls, so many of them were... swords. If it were up to me, games would be full of polearms, they'd have really useful, possibly even OP attack animations, and the absolute bestest crazy magic weapon tier would be especially filled with polearms. They'd be what the main character uses, or if it's total create your own character, they'd be the default weapon characters are holding in promo art and on the cover and whatnot.

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>>246409379
>Litterally spears
>Litterally mass conscripted spears into bayonets
>Fair enough, but Mongols did EVERYTHING when their horse archery did not do it fast enough

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>>246407951
Demonstration with sharp sword:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4PGAnq6w7Y

>>246412695
There is no best weapons. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, it is what is best for a situation.

>>246412697
>Fair enough, but Mongols did EVERYTHING when their horse archery did not do it fast enough

Mongols utilized Lances as well, so no.

>>246410441
That armors sexy as fuck. Much better than RPG fantasy armor 943. Why the fuck don't game just keep this shit simple?

>>246409240
In war, peasants would go and fight because policy at the time was that a Feudal lord could call peasants to fight for up to 40 days a year as part of their duty.

This led to something called the "fighting season", a point where the majority of battles occured because it was the time of the year when peasants weren't needed for other duties.

You did get people going out for money but rarely honour. Being a mercenary was profitable, but was problematic for lords. There are incidents of wars that were extended way past the point they should have ended because lords couldn't afford the severance pay for terminating their service early.

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swords are cooler and thats all that matters in video games

if you're a hero and you don't have a sword you're just half assing it and going for easy mode range

>>246410920
Turns out when you carry them as a civilian, and nobody is wearing anything but normal clothing: You don't need anything else.

>>246411562
Don't remind me of the sad truth.
The other sad truth is that designing superhuman combat, even if its just changing jump ability to 3 meters of height takes tons of effort.

>>246412878
Because most of them would look samey, and fantasy has always been about exotic shit. Most games seem to steer towards more believable amours these days though.

Can we all at least agree that spears are objectively superior to swords on an open battlefield?

>>246412594
I wouldn't go as far as saying swords are shit, they're a jack of all trades weapon, useful in close quarters against both armoured and unarmoured opponents. Of course there are more effective weapons for these situations, maces are more effective against armoured enemies, pole weapons have longer range, daggers are faster. The sword is a versatile jack of all trades master of none, it's faster to swing/stab than a mace or a pole weapon (due to being lighter than either) and had a half decent range. This is why swords were so commonly used as a side weapon, not because they were cheap to make (they weren't, in fact maces were far cheaper and even pole weapons cost less to make) but because no matter what close quarters situation you found yourself in on the battle field the sword could still be used viably when most other weapons could not.

>>246411562
>>246413046
>tfw nobody ever does flails any justice

>>246412504
The basis of the feudal system is that each knight can levy peasants for use in the army.
If said peasants are malnourished and not trained, you will have a fucking bad time once you show up to the frontline.

>>246412621
Yes, but passing the draft and surviving the campaigns usually lead to a large social promotion. You where now a Archer, at the least 2-3 ranks over the serfs. And serfs where rank 0.

>>246412030

But what would he even do in close range with a sword? Either tap the guys helmet with his pommel like he was armed with a stone, play poke the eyeslits against a spearman or drop their weapons and engage wrestlemania with daggers mode
None of these sound particularly advantageous (or disadvantageous for that matter)

>>246413093
see >>246408989

>>246409228
>comparing katanas to longswords
top lel

>>246413160
>daggers are faster

No they're not. Why do people believe this shit?
Daggers were never used in battle unless it's to deliver a coup de grace to a knight you have wrestled to the floor and stripped off his chest armor or helmet.

>>246412925
Thanks for illustrating why swords have become lame.

Apparently the mace is the be all end all.

It kills everything.

Swords just plink harmlessly off plate.

>>246408769
>Spears and poleaxes have dominated warfare for as long as melee weapons have been relevant.

they are cheaper to be made, alot cheaper
thats the main reason they are chosen
doesn't mean they are alot more effective than swords

>>246413160
Swords are fucking bad in formations.
By medieval classification, the gladius and similar weapons would not classify as swords, but as long daggers and machetes in most cases.
Because they are fucking short. But still long enough to get around your own tower shield.

>>246411647

And I assume there was NEVER a fight to take over any town right?

People always just gone out and fought on empty fields all the time.