Overwatch General

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On Saturday, in the latest of the "OW VAs existing in the general proximity of each other" series of videos, Mercy and Sombra's VAs met up with Pharah's.

Mercy's VA dropped the #pharmercy tag

https://twitter.com/LuciePohlComedy/status/863496944307638272

And Sombra's VA apparently ships it. Or something.

https://twitter.com/carolinaravassa/status/863519698432012288

Any new Zarcy art? I haven't seen much lately, but I also don't know who to follow for it.

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>>2336856
You picked one of the rarest pairs. Might get better results looking for Avalon.

>>2336859
Shucks.

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>>2336856
>I haven't seen much lately

Man, I'm rooting for ya, but the implication there is that you were finding a lot in the first place.

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>>2336860
Might honestly have better luck with smut fics.

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>>2336850
Pharah's VA has some good posts in her likes.

>>2336878
lol Too bad Chu doesn't give a shit what the VAs like.

>>2336850
Sombra's VA also ships Symbra
which is my least favourite Sombra ship but hey, it's something

> tfw my fave VAs are in Europe and can never meet up with the others to play around

I'll always have Blizzcon, but still. Feels bad, man.

>>2336879
Good, honestly. I'd rather he not make decisions based on what VAs or various fan groups ship. Particularly when it's a ship that already manages to have some rather obnoxious fans even with zero canon substance.

>lol
Stop that.

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Post angst

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>>2336939

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>>2336856
My favorite, but it is hard to come across. I found a few pictures. I hope you haven't seen at least one.

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>>2336856

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>>2336856

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>>2336856

>>2336935
Yeah, a lot better when he makes decisions based on what he personally ships.

lol.

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>>2336856

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>>2336856

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Thank you anon~ I've only seen a few of these!

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>>2336974
If it actually makes more sense for the characters and story, sure, why wouldn't it be? I'm not so deluded that I'm going to get upset over a story lead making choices that conflict with my baseless headcanon.

>>2336987
Anything can make sense for the characters and story when you're the one writing that story.

I hope they'll stick to their original promise of not having romance between playable characters, but, eh. Doesn't seem like this is going to be the case.

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>>2336990
>I hope they'll stick to their original promise of not having romance between playable characters
Same, that would be great for everyone.

>Anything can make sense for the characters and story when you're the one writing that story.
Sure, but some options are more natural progression of your existing characters and story, and some are "Hey I really want to add this, so let's steer the story in this direction for the sake of making this more feasible."

>>2336987
Because right now there doesn't exist "more sense" for his preferred ships to happen, just like it doesn't for any others because the story so far is barebones and can go in literally any way?
So if it does happen it will be because he made his "baseless headcanons" into reality through the power of his position.

I doubt that's gonna happen though.

>>2337002
>"Hey I really want to add this, so let's steer the story in this direction for the sake of making this more feasible."
That's pretty funny because this is literally how the story progression in Overwatch works.

>>2336935
>obnoxious fans even with zero canon substance

lol again with this. Your butthurt really shows.

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>>2337010
>Because right now there doesn't exist "more sense"

>two people who met when one saved and as a result completely changed the life of the other and who worked for the same organization.
>two people who met when one was a kid because her mother sometimes brought her to work.

I'm sorry but one of these absolutely makes "more sense" than the other as a starting point for a romantic relationship.

>>2337021
If you say so, nee-san.

>>2336850
Mercy's VA has also retweeted Gency in the past so don't trust her. She ain't even Swiss!

>>2337031
Those fucking Germans always sticking their noses where they don't belong!

>>2337033
Meanwhile in the German dub of the game she had a Swiss accent.
>Keine Angst, die Frau Doktor ist da

>>2337025
I'm sure Angela saved more people than just Genji while working for Overwatch and so changed their lives, should every single one of them be entitled to relationship with her and vice versa?
No, it doesn't make "more sense" for you to fall in love with your transplant surgeon than it makes for you to fall in love with the daughter of your much older co-worker that you had a chance to meet.
What a silly idea.


This isn't even taking into account the fact that it wasn't so sunshine and rainbows for Genji and it wasn't much of a "saving" rather a choice between agreeing to become a weaponized human asset for a military organization or dying, and that it took Genji years before he finally accepted himself and it wasn't thanks to Mercy that he did, but that's OT

>>2337043
Oh boy here comes tumblr.

>>2337045
Anon's completely right, you know

>>2337043
>should every single one of them be entitled to relationship with her and vice versa?
You're just strawmaning now. Is every single one of them a playable character in the OW universe, with personality and backstory? While we're discussing non-existent characters that may or may not have a chance at banging Mercy, why not bring up a possibility of her already having a snu-snu partner? After all, everything is possible in the realm of "it doesn't exist so let's pretend it does".

That anon was comparing Genji and Fareeha, not Genji, Fareeha and 150 of Mercy's other patients. Compared to Fareeha, Genji and Mercy have more story to their relationship. Actually, compared to Fareeha, any ex-OW member has more story to their relationship with Mercy.

>it wasn't thanks to Mercy that he did
Yet it's clear he at the very least considers her a close friend and vice versa.

>>2337047
If anon wants to argue shit like that he can do it somewhere else. That doesn't belong here.

Should've let these threads die for a while.

>>2336935
Fuck, you're cringe

>>2337049
So by your logic, all it takes is a canon connection for any possible romance to make sense.

>Yet it's clear he at the very least considers her a close friend and vice versa.
Yes it's entirely possible that after he came to terrms with his new body he grew to appreciate her role in giving him a chance at life.

None of this requires romantic subtext.

>>2337056
I would say Gency apologism doesn't belong here either but here we are.

>>2337060
It doesn't. So fuck off you two. And take both of your ships with you while you're at it. Both are the literal cancer of the Overwatch fandom and part of me hopes Mercy is fucking some Ahmed just to see you explode with salt.

>>2337060
>all it takes is a canon connection for any possible romance to make sense
Well, I mean. Yes. It would make sense for characters that worked in the same organization, served the same cause and shared similar views to be involved in a romantic relationship. That's why something like Ana/Mercy, Tracer/Mercy or Jack/Mercy would make sense from a lore standpoint but Zarya/Mercy or Hanzo/Mercy wouldn't.

>None of this requires romantic subtext.
Nobody here is talking about romantic subtext. The point of this discussion was "which one of these relationships makes more sense from what we know of it", and "this person here has saved my life and stuck with me despite me having an internal conflict about becoming a cyborg ninja" has more grounds for a romantic relationship than "this person here is my mom's colleague".

>>2337061
You're not really helping, tilted-chan.

>>2337062
Honestly for what a cunt Genji must have been it sure goes to show that him and Angela seem to be on friendly terms given her otherwise pretty snarky character.

>>2337062
The only thing Gency and Pharmercy have brought to the fandom is an endless shipping wars so excuse me for finally having enough of that shit!

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>>2337065
It's understandable, given his circumstances. It's actually the reason why I don't want him to be involved in a relationship — his own story of overcoming self-hatred and finding inner peace with the help of an Omnic monk is much more interesting to me than a generic romantic bullshit. Same goes for Mercy and the conflict between her personal morals and the fact that she had to turn a person into a weapon to be used as Blackwatch sees fit in order to save his life. There's just so much more Blizzard could explore about their characters' stories and personalities that doesn't fall under the "romance" category, it's painful to watch them stall. It's been two years and yet we've barely got any in-depth lore works, and with their only somewhat lengthy comic canceled, we might very well spend another two years on nothing but 10 pages long scraps.

>>2337070
>caring about fandoms
There's your problem.

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>>2337070
>Tumblr can't take it easy.
Kinda to be expected.

>>2337062
>The point of this discussion was "which one of these relationships makes more sense from what we know of it"
Yes, and my point is that already knowing each other, even being in friendly terms doesn't fucking add anything to the probability of two characters getting together.
So no, it doesn't make "more sense' for her to get with Genji just because she made his robo body. than it makes for her to get together with Random character #15, just like it didn't make more sense for Tracer to be with Winston just because he saved her than it did for her to get with a random character #13.

>>2337061
And what makes you think your feelings on the matter are relevant. Close the thread if the discussion triggers you, you big baby.

>>2337081
>probability
>which one of these relationships makes more sense
It's not about probability. Probability isn't the point of this discussion.

>Random character #15
>which one of these (Gency and Pharmercy) relationships makes more sense
It's not about comparing random characters that don't exist to already existing characters. I thought we've already made this clear. If you're going to be delving into the realm of "stuff that does not exist", Mercy may as well be getting fucked by some Ahmed, as >>2337061 apparently hopes. Everything goes there. Either we're talking about existing characters and canon events or we're going batshit retarded with assumptions; you can't have it both ways.

>>2337075
Mercy didn't actually have anything to do with making him a cyborg. Those were 'Overwatch's cyberneticists' as stated on his Blackwatch skin. So she isn't even connected to his self-hatred.

>>2337105
>Mercy didn't actually have anything to do with making him a cyborg.

>Hanzo believed that he had killed his brother, but Genji was rescued by Overwatch and the intervention of Dr. Angela Ziegler.
While this does not explicitly state that Mercy worked on his cybernetic body (although as the head of medical research, it's more than likely that that was the case), it does imply she had a hand in fixing him up.

>>2337107
Yes she saved his life. The actual cybernetic part was after he was asked and done by someone that doesn't expert in Nanotech. If anything it probably passed her desk and nothing more.

>>2337109
It doesn't matter what the exact procedure was, Mercy at the very least contributed to saving his life. But that still doesn't matter as much as the fact that Chu has a boner for that ship so he will make it happen one way or another.

>>2337113
True. And rescue romance is one of the oldest tropes ever. Imagine Genji was actually named Michiko and obviously a girl. This thread would be all over that shit.

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>>2337114
That's not yuri.

>>2337109
Fair enough. It does seem as "saving his life" and "making him into a living weapon" were two different procedures. Although as the head of medical research she still would've been involved in the process one way or another. Considering she's seen overseeing Tracer's combat evaluation in Uprising, it's likely she was monitoring Genji's recovery as well.

>>2337116
>Imagine Genji was actually named Michiko
That's a dumb name. Would never root for a girl with this name, to be quite honest with you.

>>2337121
Excuse you, I would root for cyborg Michiko-chan.

>>2337121
I just took the first Japanese name I could think of.

>>2337091
Yeah the problem is you now restricted the argument to "if a relationship between Mercy and an already known character were to happen RIGHT NOW, based on only what we know it would make more sense for her to be with Genji than with Pharah".
Which is fine and all but totally irrelevant to your original claim that
>>2337002
>some options are more natural progression of your existing characters and story

in which you argued that it would be more of a "natural progression" for Gency to happen simply on the basis that Genji was Angela's patient, while compared to that Pharmercy would be forcibly steering the plot into an unnatural progression.
And I'm saying it's not and that's it's a completely ridiculous take because "two characters being friendly" isn't enough to claim that them getting together would be more of a natural progression than any other outcome.

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>>2337127
>your original claim
That wasn't me, and I made this clear earlier. In fact, that claim was a reply to my claim about hoping that characters won't get into relationships with each other.

>simply on the basis that Genji was Angela's patient
That's some extreme simplification of Angela saving Genji's life, helping him recover physically and staying his acquaintance/friend throughout his crisis.
Would Pharmercy be an unnatural progression if it were to get more content? Depends on how it's handled, though it's certainly possible to make it seem nice and smooth. At the same time, if you have to write a whole storyline out just to set up a pairing, one can argue that it's "unnatural", as it wouldn't have happened had the story progressed without any changes. Although considering Blizzard's approach of "we just roll with it", there's no actual planned story, so one can also argue that this point is moot. Generally, if they continue working on their lore and use the overall story to slowly set up Pharmercy without making it the sole focus of their work (for example, by dropping hints here and there like Chu is currently doing with Gency), I'd say that it would be a natural progression. But right now we're stuck in a rut with nothing happening in the present.
Would Pharmercy happening here and now or in the close future without getting any more content to flesh it out be an unnatural progression? Yes.
Would Tracer having a history of diddling your good doctor Ziegler after their combat missions together be unnatural? No, but it's never going to happen. R.I.P.

Why are we even arguing about this? It's obvious that no /u/ ship that includes Mercy or Tracer because she's already taken will happen. So what, big deal. We still have fanon content and other ship possibilities for a possible canon endgame.

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>>2337143
I just want to talk lore. /owg/ is too focused on competitive during comp seasons.

Also, a quick reminder to people who want to get the officer D.Va skin — you have one week left.

>>2337133
>That wasn't me
Yeah, sorry, regardless, the original claim that started the chain of this discussion.

>>2337133
>Would Pharmercy happening here and now or in the close future without getting any more content to flesh it out be an unnatural progression? Yes.
That is true, but I don't think if Gency happened right now it would be any more natural. The closest to romantic undertones between the two were the infamous valentine's day voice lines. And putting aside the fact that they never made it into the game as far as i know (?), which would make them non-canon, they created quite a buzz of people all over the internet some of which were happy, majority neutral but also quite a number that was weirded out and less than ecstatic about the development. And no, it wasn't just Pharmercyfags being salty, the Blizz forums were full of people making snarky threads asking for Chu to stop forcing a shitty romance into the game and instead to start focusing on the actual lore. I'd say that is the exact opposite of "natural progression" if it caused similar reaction. And really for all the attention they get the Gency "hints" are almost invisible. Two voicelines, an ambiguous backstory and a frame in a comic is all they have. If Genji was a Michiko like the other anons said, people would be claiming that seeing a "romance" between them is being delusional.

>>2337133
>Would Tracer having a history of diddling your good doctor Ziegler after their combat missions together be unnatural? No, but it's never going to happen. R.I.P.
Ah yeah, that's the real sad story here.
It certainly wouldn't hurt to at least hint on Tracer having an unrequited crush on Dr Ziegler or something.
Speaking about which
>>2337143
>she's already taken
I don't think I'll ever get over Blizzard succeeding at eating the cake and getting to keep it at the same time.

>>2337143
I wonder how people would react if a ship like Pharah/Symmetra were to happen? Would /u/ be mad?

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>>2337148
>I'd say that is the exact opposite of "natural progression" if it caused similar reaction
Well, it's hard to tell why exactly people were upset. If they were just waifufags mad about Mercy getting whisked away by a knight with shining buttocks, then their reaction isn't representative of the... natural...ness of the progression, because people like that are going to be upset even about a completely legitimate well-written romance if it doesn't suit their tastes. That said, I personally don't consider Gency "natural progression" because it feels like those hints are being put in the story because a few Blizzard members want to see it happen, not because they think it's going to be beneficial for characters and lore in the long run. Though I don't have anything against hint dropping as a method of setting up a relationship in general.

>Two voicelines, an ambiguous backstory and a frame in a comic is all they have.
To be fair, that's more than anybody else, excluding established relationships like Tracer and Emily, Amelie and Gerard, Torbjorn and his wife, etc. Although I can see your point.

>>2337150
Depends on how it's handled. I wasn't mad at Tracer/Emily, despite having a ship or two with Tracer I would've liked to see happen, but instead severely disappointed by Blizzard's decision to introduce a cardboard cutout for Tracer to make out with. If it's written well and both Pharah and Symmetra get enough development, then I'm okay with it, though I would rather writers focus on writing the story rather than romantic flings. I can't speak for all of /u/, though, so, eh.

>>2337154
>Well, it's hard to tell why exactly people were upset. If they were just waifufags
It's always possible some were waifufags posing under the umbrella of rightousness, but the general sentiment was bitterness over the fact that writer(s) are wasting time on filler like this meanwhile the plot itself is stuck and progressing at a snail pace. It might not have been solely caused by the Gency voicelines, instead a culmination of this and several previous comics and events being purely void of any relevance for lore but these voicelines were definitely a catalyst.
It created a sort of a wave of threads with people expressing their displeasure in general about how the story is handled and how it's kind of a mess, that lasted for a while and I suspect that was one of the reasons why the latest lore updates were less filler and more "meat".

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>>2337154
>the general sentiment was bitterness over the fact that writer(s) are wasting time on filler like this meanwhile the plot itself is stuck and progressing at a snail pace
That's a sentiment I wholeheartedly agree with. Especially now when there's nothing big plot-related happening in the nearest future.

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>new thread's already bumping, did something fun happen
>mfw

Man, somebody's been saving up.

Why would I be mad? I would be happy, but at the same time I would still ship Pharmercy.

>>2337148
They made it into the game. But only on Valentine's Day (Mercy's) and White Day (Genji's) and only on Hanamura.

>>2337031
She doesn't care who Mercy is shipped with, she said as much in a recent podcast. When she was asked who she'd like Mercy to be paired up with at first she jokingly said Reinhardt and then she said Mercy is a very independent woman who has different moods and is the type of chick who would try out different "ships". So clearly she doesn't care about it but she doesn't want to upset the fans either.

>>2337261
It probably has to do with German Voice Actors not really being involved in the various fandoms, since over here it's just a job and video games and animes are still pretty nichè. You'd be hard pressed to find any of them at a gaming or comic/manga convention for example.

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>>2337150
/u/ is always mad about something.

>>2337202
Ikr. bored out of my mind at jury duty, so this is great.

so this is the power of pharmercy

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>>2337276
The only good Pharah ship.

>>2337343
But who made the first move? Ana or Fareeha?

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Alright, guys, I need your help with a personal project. I need pictures of two general concepts.

1. Tracer's head in Widowmaker's ass. Preferably facesitting but I'm crowdsourcing this so I'm not picky. Doesn't have to involve any actual oral stimulation like rimming or cunnilingus. Just kinda being near it is fine.

2. Pharah and Mercy, with either manipulating Pharah's helmet. Can be either totally removed and being held separately from Pharah's armor, or just tilted slightly upwards or downwards on Pharah's head.

Relevant boorus are pretty anemic.

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>>2337352
Something of an illustration of the 2nd concept.

>>2337351
Little Fareeha got curious one night when Ana was sleeping and she crawled into her mama's bed for an intense cuddle session.

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>>2337343
You speak the truth, oneesama

>>2337363
Like Fareeha burying her face in Ana's bosom while laying atop her intense or curled up on their sides intense?

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>>2337352
>1. Tracer's head in Widowmaker's ass. Preferably facesitting
Anything for you, familia.

>>2337370
All kinds of intense. The night is long when you don't waste time on sleep.

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>>2337343
Oh yes

>>2337236
They recorded a bunch of lines that could only be played at one specific time of the year on one specific map
That's...kinda hilarious dedication.

>>2337522
From a coding perspective it's also rather simple. Just do a date and location check.

>>2337530
Is the artist of this aware Symmetra doesn't wear that stupid thing on her head all the time?

>>2337542
It's called futuristic fashion

>>2336902
To be fair though, seems like she has her finger on the pulse.

>alright, let's see what these faggots are shipping
>McCree & Hanzo, Pharah & Mercy, Tracer & Widowmaker
>what've we got for Sombra
>Indian woman or Korean teenager

I mean, I ain't blinking when people talk about Mercy or even Ana molesting little girl Pharah. This is /u/, we're all a few clicks away from a parallel OW thread where some or all of the girls have dicks, and SonoHana has instilled in us the half-ironic idea of drinking piss as a form of affection.

But for an actress with a public identity? That was probably the safest thing she could've picked. D.va would be more popular but also might raise a few eyebrows.

>>2337578
D.Va isn't 12, she is a fucking adult.

And people have no problems with Lucio and Dva's voice actors flirting, hell, they even flirt in their HotS interactions.

And putting D.Va aside, there's still Sombra/Zarya and Sombra/Widow.
But she can ship whatever she wants, I was just saying that it's my least favourite Sombra ship.

>>2337578
They could've also just not give Sombra an age. The amount of work she did to completely erase her name and possibly her life makes it odd her age is listed

>>2337581
Racist.

>>2337582
It literally doesn't matter what is Sombra's age, Dva's most popular ship is Lucio, followed by Genji, the only one people "raise eyebrows" at is Dva76.

>>2337583
lel

>>2337578
Symbra is more popular than Somva or whatever it's called. And Sombra's VA gets along with Symmetra's VA so it makes sense for her to prefer that combo.

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>>2337582
She's 30. Get over it.

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>>2337590
I'm not bothered by the fact she's thirty. I'm bothered by the inconsistency they let slip when they implied all the work she did to erase herself. Learn to infer. Christ it works in her favor too being an orphan of the Crisis.

>>2337592
>I'm bothered by the inconsistency

inconsistency is pretty much the standard for overwatch, especially with anything timeline related. i no longer feel anything towards it.

>>2337592
Us, the audience of the game, getting some information about the character from writers isn't "inconsistent" with her characterization. She did work to erase herself from in-universe people who might as well not know her age, nationality and life story, doesn't mean we behind the 4th wall can't.

>>2337599
There's giving a set number and then leaving it up in the air, and framing her age around the OC. The length they went to play up the erasing of the name could've easily included erasing of age. Her intro video gives enough indication that she's in her late twenties/30 that they could've just left it blank to allow for something to distract fans with. It wouldn't take long for fans to peg her age if it was blank.

>>2337599
But we also don't know much of anything beyond something of a past in Dorado with the cyber cartels. It's just humorously arbitrary that even her "real name" is [redacted] but they just let her age slip through casually. Unless that's just another red herring so she can rent cars without a surcharge.

>>2337601
>>2337602
They've revealed all the other characters' ages and having Sombra be an exception would only make people constantly bug them about her age so they probably wanted to save themselves some trouble.

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>>2337610

>>2337607
What? Only group that would care are those that don't like X ship because herp derp. Honestly with how she looks, it might've been another case where people thought she was too young and in some sort of weird catch-22 where she's not with anyone except person Y but they slapped 30 on for whatever. Again anyone that has an inkling of the timeline could piece together that despite her looks she's in her late twenties

/u/'s favorite lead writer did an AMA. ripped some summary notes off tumblr. google the full AMA if you want it, i ain't linking that shit here.

>Fareeha ‘Pharah’ Amari is a classic rock fan (’I am the Rocket Queen!’) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TnL-LJKWE0

>Someday they’ll actually do the birthdays of the heroes, “but probably not soon just to make sure we don’t accidentally make some date mistakes in continuity" - Chu

>It’s still up in the air who answers Overwatch’s recall, and who doesn’t

>The Hero short takes place right around the time of the Recall

>Tracer is apparently, a fan of Diego Costa (and maybe even Chelsea?)
(this may have just been a joke)

>Mei and Efi are the best ‘doodlers’ (drawers) in the game

>Mei loves beef noodle soup

>Chu also says that moving forward, some of the characters who have been underdeveloped will see some attention, and there will be a focus on Talon as well

>There will also be further exploration of Widowmaker, and her tragic backstory

mentions that there's lore behind maps, etc, that hasn't been revealed yet.

have at it you grumpy cunts.

>>2337612
Doesn't matter why anyone would care. Point is, they would. And the timeline is not exactly something that can be trusted since they are coming up with stuff as they go. People would've kept arguing about Sombra's age.

>>2337613
>guns 'n' roses is classic rock now

I'm getting old.

>>2337615
It is 60 years in the future

>>2337614
I'm like almost positive you're giving it way more credit than it deserves. Just say they're inconsistent and you stopped caring.

>>2337613
>some of the characters who have been underdeveloped will see some attention
Hopefully we won't have to wait that long to see this happen.

>>2337601
But why would they do that? Clearly it wasn't their intention to hide her identity from the players, except her real name.

>>2337602
Uh, her origin clip shows her from when she was a little girl up to now, sure it's not very detailed but neither is the story for any hero so far.

I don't think Blizzard meant for her to be this huge mystery of a character you are making her up to be, past the ARG's conclusion.

>>2337613
>mentions that there's lore behind maps, etc, that hasn't been revealed yet.
Well yeah there is a lot of maps (characters too for that matter) that we don't even know how do they tie in to the story yet.

>>2337371
idk why anyone wants the threads to take a break and miss out on our top tier photoshop anons.

>>2337614
in a parallel universe, this thread has been arguing about it since the reveal.

>>2337615
you've been old

>>2337620
Why would they redact her real name when it only matters in-game. Metawise it's unnecessary since she'd still be called Sombra.

>>2337613
>There will also be further exploration of Widowmaker, and her tragic backstory
I kind of want this but I also kind of don't want this because you know why

>>2337613
>tl;dr Classic rock, soccer, Chinese soup, we ain't done shit

At the rate we're going I'm expecting more interesting lore to come out of cp_orange and mario_kart_v2.

>>2337625
For me, it's less that, and more what of value would come from exploring something we already got all the important shit out of from snippets and implications, unless you're just really into corruption/hypnosis stuff.

>>2337626
I wouldn't mind it if they do Widowmaker's backstory in a comic so we'd finally have the clear picture of what's happened and how it's happened.

>>2337624
Maybe, they want it to be revealed later when they further explore her character, like they did with Reaper who initially wasnt introduced as Gabriel Reyes.
Or maybe they did it for the heck of it because she is a hacker who conceals her identity so they thought it would be cute and in character. Doesn't mean every other info had to be hidden too. Because you know names are generally more important when it comes to revealing someone's identity than age.

>>2337624
>>2337632
There's also the fact that in her origin video she states "the girl was gone".
Maybe it's not that she "hides" her identity but that the person she once was literally doesn't officially exist anymore.
So in that way there's no reason to put the name she was known as in the past on her bio since it's not really her name now.
But yeah like with Soldier or Reaper who are officially dead but we later found out their real names and identities maybe we'll learn who was Sombra in the past, if it turns relevant for the plot.

>>2337625
Because why? Because it means seeing happy times with Gerard ?
Yeah I get that but maybe they skip to abduction and reprogramming for "exploring her backstory".

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>>2337343

Speaking of which... this just got released for mother's day: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12488186/1/Goddesses-of-Egypt-One-Shot-Mother-s-Day-2017-Special

Also contains a little Pharmercy though (and whatever the Ana + Mercy ship is). Also, it's probably best to read the original story because it follows directly after it (https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12058099/1/Goddesses-of-Egypt).

>>2337613
My guess is that Mercy won't join until she is forced to. So that means until Talon finds and attack her.

>>2337626
>soccer

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>>2337658
Nice find

>>2337672
Either that or she already decided to join when she is done with her business and that whole letter thing with Genji was them deciding to meet up on their way there.

>>2337681
Why do you/people in this thread keep saying this, it was a frame from a Christmas special so the vastly more probable outcome was that Genji sent her a letter wishing her a Merry Christmas and that's it.

>>2337681
>>2337682

Those letters could've been two different letters though.

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>>2337683
It's heavily implied that it's the same letter, unless Genji has an infinite supply of sparrow feathers that he just likes to send to Mercy as souvenirs.

>>2337682
Mostly because Genji would pass by where she is currently located on his way to Gibraltar.

>>2337719
Where does it say he intends to go there?

>>2337723
He's not gonna sit idly on his ass and meditate in the mountains after his talk with Hanzo. He knows a storm is coming so he is pretty much confirmed to join back up. And Mercy is currently associated to him in the current lore.

>>2337725
SO basically this whole "theory" is straight outta your ass. Got it.

Does literally any other thread on /u/ get people posting repeatedly in defense of a het ship? What the fuck /u/.

>>2337726
You sound like a whiny kid that just heard something he doesn't like to hear.

>>2337728
The power of Pharmercy. Some people dislike it so much they'd rather see the het option over it I guess.

>>2337728
I want Gency apologists to leave my board.

>>2337729
You sound like a delulu who enjoys making shit up

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>>2337723
He had responded to Recall, which was initiated from Watchpoint: Gibraltar. Although considering the present story has yet to move an inch from that moment for two years, obviously we can't say for sure whether he headed there or somewhere else.

>>2337728
It's not so much of a defense as simply stating the facts. Personally, I don't care much for it, but some anti-Gency folks here are downright delusional in their denial. Delusional people are bad either way, whether they're pro- or anti-/u/. Let them roam free and we'll turn into the tumblr side of Pharmercy fandom.

>>2337754
Although rewatching Recall now, it doesn't outright state that all the agents Winston managed to connect to agreed to meet with him, so I retract my statement.

>>2337754
When did he respond to it? The only one we saw responding was Tracer as far as I remember.
Even if he did I don't remember anything about "all heroes interested are to gather at Gibraltar" being specified.
And that comic panel he appears in isn't even suggesting he is heading anywhere.
As far as we know he is chilling with his boy Zenyatta at an omnic monastery in Nepal and sending a letter with another panel implicating it was to Mercy.

>It's not so much of a defense as simply stating the facts. Personally, I don't care much for it, but some anti-Gency folks here are downright delusional in their denial.

Believe me or not, but personally I couldn't give two shits about Pharmercy, but this shit right here is actually baffling to me.
Seriously though. Imagine for a second that Genji is a girl. Do you still see that obvious blatant romance people are delusional about denying ?
Because what I see right now is a couple of vague hints that sure, might reinforce shippers who want to see something more than there is, but it's very very far from anything being "blatant" or "obvious" between them.

>>2337763
>When did he respond do it?
>>2337758

>Do you still see that obvious blatant romance people are delusional about denying ?
It's not the "romantic" hints I have a problem with people denying, it's the fact that, from what we know, Genji is actually somewhat of a friend, or at least an acquaintance, to Angela, was saved by her and had a history of working for the same organization, which makes him significantly more important to her compared to Fareeha, canon-wise. I don't care if people ship Mercy with Pharah. I don't care if people ship Mercy with Widowmaker. I don't care if people ship Mercy with Bastion. I don't care if people ship Mercy with a loose brick on an alleyway in King's Row. As long as they don't go around saying "hey, that brick is totally as important as an ex-agent who keeps in touch with her despite OW being dead and buried for years". Because that's when you cross the line of harmless shipping and delve into the pit of delusions.

>>2337768
When did anyone here deny Genji and her are friends.
What people deny is that them keeping in touch gives more ground to the idea that they are going to fuck.
Her relationships with majority of other characters aren't even established in 90% of cases yet.
Take Tracer for example, before Uprising there was no reason to assume they ever even talked to each other, but now we know Mercy was there with Tracer when Overwatch recruited her as an agent and took care of her on her first mission and that they get along well.
It's way to early to make judgement one way or another.

>>2337768
I get your point. But at the same time, it seems like you're tilting at windmills. Frankly every time the number of posts here outpaced the number of images it's been reactionary rather than some actual offensive you've claiming exists.

I'm giving everybody the benefit of the doubt beyond some of the usual characters you inevitably get with a long running general.

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>>2337775
>What people deny is that them keeping in touch gives more ground to the idea that they are going to fuck.
But that's true. Mercy is more likely to fuck a character she knows than a character she doesn't know. Though seeing what happened with Tracer and Emily, I'm starting to doubt that statement. Good thing Metzen's out of the game, otherwise I would've been worried about sudden self-inserts.

>Her relationships with majority of other characters aren't even established in 90% of cases yet.
So when they do get established, like in your example with Tracer, the pool of characters she's likely to fuck adjusts to welcome another one. I'm not saying that you should stick to one position and not budge from it even if the lore expands further and gives Mercy more backstory. If the story will ever go on to say that Pharah and Mercy had been keeping in touch all these years and are actually good friends, I will not bat an eye at people saying "hey, they're very likely to fuck now". Until that happens, however, it's just an assumption. Which is all good, except when people start getting upset when their assumptions aren't supported by canon.

Either way, this discussion is on the verge of getting kinda out of hand again so I'll just shut up now. Post Swiss child rapists or something.

>>2337790
I'm glad that you brought up the whole Emily situation yourself because the only point Ive been making all along is that what we do know at the moment doesn't mean shit.
On a flipped note, if the story states that Mercy and Pharah actually kept in touch too, that will also not give ground for assumption that they are gonna fuck just like it doesn't with Genji. Or Tracer. Or Soldier, Reaper, Reinhardt, McCree etc
Basically what I mean in general is that until they elaborate more on all these characters and their relationships, let us see more of who they are, how their dynamics work with each other, how they treat each other, what possible history they have, IF they have any history etc, it's really pointless to make any speculations and tell other people something they would like to happen is implausible.
But yeah I do understand the angle you are coming from, I just see ithe issue from a slightly different perspective.

>pic

first Pharah and now this, do people realize Mercy is only a couple of years older than both of them.

>>2337811
>Mercy is only a couple of years older than both of them
Mercy is 37. Widow is 33 and Pharah is 32. 4 year difference is noticeable in teenagers, and on that picture Amelie is supposed to be 14.

>>2337813
the point was that people de-age Pharah and now Widow but Mercy still looks like the same 30-something adult woman with an aura of authority.
Even on that official photo where she is 17 she looks more like a still carefree kid

>>2337763
Genji didn't outright respond but not long after he went to Hanamura to meet Hanzo and make peace with him and mentioned that the world was changing, which at least implies he would get back into the fight

God why can't a mod rain fire down upon the thread and delete half the posts?

>>2337872
Did you report them? I often see people complain about the quality of posts here, but they never actually report them.

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>>2337877
Can't speak for that guy, but I have. Sometimes it works, but the mods don't want anything to do with it today apparently.

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>>2337877
I typically do, it's just that I just woke up.
>>2337879
Maybe tonight they'll vanish.

>>2337542
shes autistic

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>>2337613
>spends some time answering questions in a website
>the summary notes don't actually contain any relevant information at all
>Chu spent who knows how many hours on reddit and gave them absolutely nothing except what basically amounts to flavor text and "please look forward to it"

And that's why he's lead writer. You don't just find this ability for bullshitting in everyone.

>some of the characters who have been underdeveloped will see some attention

Can't wait to see how he's going to butcher D.Va or Zarya when they end up in his crosshairs.

>>2338005
Please tell me, who has he butchered in a way that doesn't boil down to "muh ship" so far?

>>2338039
not him/her, but widow is a pretty good example.
She's somehow both 'muh no emoshuns' and 'muh dead husbando' at the same time. The plot of the game in general doesn't even exist, as the fucking scooby doo gang of talon just kind of dicks around being all pokemon and failing every mission they encounter, because chu can't get his head out of his ass and give these highlighted heroes some fucking flaws for a change.

>>2336878
>Made it canon

Thats not how it works. VAs have no saying on the story, writers have. They can ship whoever they want, it doesn't mean anything to the canon.

>>2338075
You say that like that wasn't the case under Metzen already

>>2338093
I'm pretty sure that person was joking, Miss Debbie Downer

>>2338093
Hey, I thought you should read this. I'm sure it would be a great help.

https://justvibehouston.com/socially-acceptable-teaching-kids-tell-jokes/

>>2338075
>because chu can't get his head out of his ass and give these highlighted heroes some fucking flaws for a change

i don't think he deserves as much blame as he gets.

overwatch has a story, but as a game its main goal is competitive longevity and selling loot boxes. the story is there for flavor, to sell skins and get people more hyped for in-game events. it doesn't have to be "good" or build deep characters. i find it unlikely he's the only one making decisions on whats covered. also, the comics have showed characters to be flawed. sym and pharah come to mind.

this isn't to say you can't be critical of how inconsistent or glacial overwatch's story is. but there's definitely more than just "michael chu" contributing to it.

i still haven't read the full AMA, but this was his response to how much lore hadn't been released yet:

>Definitely! Usually when we create a new hero/map/story we have a lot of backstory that we don't reveal. Part of this is because we like to keep things relatively simple when we first introduce something, but also because we don't just want to throw all the story out there for story's sake.
That said, I'm well aware that there are a lot of questions out there and we're definitely trying to wrap up some of them and develop them further without introducing a ton of new story threads.
You may have to wait for some of the bigger mysteries though, we're really still just getting started.

i read this as they're trying to clean up the prequel shit. it's kind of funny we're almost a year into the official release and the story is "just getting started".

>>2337613
>people were asking legitimately interesting questions like "what exactly are durrgons/resurrection/Wraith form/etc. if they aren't magic"
>got generic by-the-book answers "ha ha not telling you you cheeky cunt"
Whoa. Might as well rename those to "AMA but only about irrelevant flavor text about characters".

>>2338272
Watch out, Lena is the Daywalker

>>2338276
Overwatch x WoD never.

>>2338277
We talking oWoD or nWoD?

>>2338279
oWoD.
Also, V5 beta soon?

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>>2338280
God I hope so.
Shit I don't know oWoD enough outside of the like big three to offer suggestions for the girls.

>>2338281
B-but MEKA isn't even sentient!

>>2338110
If that's what it comes across as, let me clarify: Blizzard hasn't written anything decent for the last 13 years. In has only gotten worse over time. There ya go.

>>2338181
> but there's definitely more than just "michael chu" contributing to it.

I mean sure, but his title is lead writer. It's his job to be responsible.

> also, the comics have showed characters to be flawed

I mean I haven't read sym's comic, but pharah's comic is literally extra friendship sprinkle shit. Wow!!! through the power of friendship she learns to be a better person (debatable desu) xdxdxdxd

>>2338291
Pharah's comic came out when it was still Metzen at the helm.

>>2338181
Yes, the story is their secondary concern, but they've stated again and again how excited they are to explore the world of Overwatch and its characters.
So far it's been a so-so effort.
>we're almost a year into the official release and the story is "just getting started"
that is the main issue. We can't even expect the story to actually progress anytime soon when half of the cast isn't even introduced yet.
It certainly could be being better handled.
I mean hell, shorts are expensive and take time to make but no one is going to convince me Blizzard is too poor to commission 10 pages of a comic at least every month.

Speaking about which, they announced they'll be releasing a collection of the so far released ones in October I wonder if there'll be some bonus paperback exclusive included there.

>>2338281
And I only know/care for VtM.
Would be cool with a joint effort, I've seen a few on AO3.

>>2338300

Then Chu'd have even less of a leg to stand on.

>>2338345
and to further expand on my point, while most of OW's characters are terribly written, Winston is one of the few with actual depth and personality to put forth an example. He's both troubled and indebted to his past, has actions and reactions, a character arc, with motivations and hardships one can relate to.

>>2338341
>no one is going to convince me Blizzard is too poor to commission 10 pages of a comic at least every month

why would they spend the money if isn't related to bringing in more revenue? it doesn't matter how much it costs. it just matters if they're going to get a return in some way on it. they're already paying to have a story department on staff, which is more than a lot of pvp multiplayer games. Chu did acknowledge that they realize there is a demand for story, but whether or not it's actually going to bring in or retain players is the question.

>Right now, I'd say the hardest part is keeping up with the appetite for more story in the Overwatch universe. There's a lot of curiosity and interest in the heroes and the backstory, and we're trying our best to get more content out there, but I understand it can be frustrating to wait.

maybe they will push more lore in the second year. AMA said that they were aiming to put more things "in game".

>>2338291
>It's his job to be responsible.

but being responsible may not conflate with making a good story or a release schedule, it's about making stories that meet the needs of a profitable franchise. he might be more of a manager than anything else. feel like he's pretty much become a boogeyman at this point. also, chu has only written for blizzard so expecting him to do better is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

>>2338350
characters need to be likable and marketable. giving them more backstory or flaws may be detrimental to that. two of their most popular characters, d.va and mercy haven't been the focus of anything. if blizzard felt they could make more money by developing them, they would. instead, they get skins.


overwatch's story is broken as fuck, and i do agree that they've barely progressed since release. but i think people need to temper their expectations to what the game actually is: an arena shooter that makes money on loot boxes and has lesbians in it - written by blizz

>>2338272
Tracer going out with a t-shirt with her callsign on it and still wearing her goggles seems like such a Tracer thing to do.

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>>2338344
Nice any decent ones or more like a proof of concept?
If it was nWoD it'd at least be easy to peg Sombra since she'd nicely fit as a demon. I think D.va would be a little harder. Wait maybe Hana being a sin-eater would fit while involving her meka. Widow could nicely fit as a beast with her whole assassin thing and spider motif.
Orisa would be a little weird as a Promethean unless she's a geist and Efi's the sin-eater

>>2338411
>why would they spend the money if isn't related to bringing in more revenue?
uhh, it is though? It's used to maintain interest in their game.
Maybe I wasn't clear, doing a comic a month for a company like Blizzard wouldn't even make a dent in their spare change.
And they are gonna be selling them too.

I see you are trying to push the idea that "actually they WANT the story to be dumb and vague so its as inoffensive as possible to the biggest possible market" but honestly that's a)conflicting with their own words b)conflicting with what Blizzard has done for the past 20 years, yes they don't have best writing but all their franchises are overflowing with lore and usually you cant keep up with all the tie-ins they release c)they've already made some risky decisions as far as OW is concerned d)it ignores the fact that while being a good shooter which is perhaps the most significant, many people would never gravitate towards it if it wasnt for the colorful and diverse cast of memorable characters. Naturally people, thousands of them, want to see more of their faves.

Honestly, I don't think the issue is that corporates demand more lootbox money and less lore, it's literally them not having a good plan of what to do so far. It's not like its a mystery, they've said multiple times they make up the story on the go. You only need to remember the First Strike fiasco to suspect that maybe they just kinda made a mess.
Hopefully they worked on cleaning up a timeline and gave the lore a little bit more thought by now.
Oh and Im sure Mercy and Dva will get their time to shine soon enough.

>>2338411
> also, chu has only written for blizzard so expecting him to do better is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

I don't, though. I expect every piece of Blizz writing to be garbage and that's what I get. I'm merely criticising, not because I expect better, but because it's fun.

>>2338451
fresh with men and het on the side

>>2338451
>>2338466
It's not really fresh it's a couple of months old.
I'm not sure if the 1st part wasn't even translated here at some point.

>>2338489
this uncropped would be irrelevant to /u/ though

>>2338492
I-I thought they were just scissoring.

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Damn, that was fast. My bad. I didn't know any better.

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>>2338499
We need more Tracer angst

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Goddamn Chinamen with their China exclusive fanbooks

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>>2338513
Too bad most of it is solo. I can't find anything good right now.

>>2338527
This I like

>It's confirmed now that Mercy and Genji look the same as in the past due to Mercy's advanced medical techonology
>It's also confirmed that Tracer has some 'unique aging properties' due to the Slipstream accident.
Sheesh, being Tracer is going to be suffering in the future.

>>2338678
>unplug Genji from all that shit that keeps him half-alive or, I don't know, don't let him recharge his batteries or something
>he dies

>shoot Tracer in the chest
>even if the shot itself doesn't kill her she'll still stop being an annoyance

Mercy is the only true immortal in OW because of nanomachines. Find a way to counter that and she dies too.

>>2338684
>Mercy is the only true immortal in OW
No, she's not. Let this meme die already.

>>2338684
It was just some things Kaplan mention in a video about how Mercy and Genji specifically didn't seem to age much in the past years and he all but said it's because of Nanomachines, or "Mercy medical magic going on with both of them." to quote him directly.
With Tracer it might now also be that she ages very slowly.

Oh and apparently Widow is also "numb in more than one way"

>>2338690
>Widow is also "numb in more than one way"
So, no diddling the blueberry while out in the field?

>>2338687
You're right, it's actually ___Mei.

>>2338692
>So, no diddling the blueberry while out in the field?
I think the way Kaplan explained it was that one of the things to turn her into a great sniper was to lower her heartrate, which also turned her skin blue. Now if I remember my anatomy right wouldn't a lower heartrate basically create the same kind of numbness like if you sat too long on your leg, just only for the entire body?

>>2338693
Sounds terrible. Dead legs are the worst.

>>2338540
Widow in this pic always struck me as a Kerrigan knock-off. Don't know if it was the intention.

>>2338693
if your oxygen level was so low that your skin turned blue, then you have other, more serious problems to worry about than a dead leg.

>>2338693
Widowmaker's interior anatomy just plain doesn't work if you think even a little about it.

Just focus on how well the external anatomy works and leave it at that.

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>>2337343
>All the good loli Pharah stuff is with Ana
We need more cradle robbing Mercy.

>>2338469
FeelsBadMan

>>2338719
Kaplan said that Widow was subjected to "freaky experiments". My guess is that they finagled her DNA a bit with some help from nanomachines and futuristic sci-fi tech. Gene therapy, etc.

>>2338678
>Everyone looks so young because \\\Reasons///

We've never even seen Genji's current face and neither Tracer nor Mercy look off for their age. Why even make up excuses for this ?
Well I suppose it might come in handy when they want to fast forward the story 10 years into the future or something one day without changing character models.

>>2338719
Also this
Nothing about Widowmaker's 'condition' makes sense.

>>2338710
Well she'd have full body dead legs.
I'm also inclined that they switched out her eyes with a pair of cybernetic ones due to the color difference before and after.

>>2338914
Aside from scars Genji looks pretty much like his young Genji skin if we go by what we can see from his face.
And Angela today looks no different from that foto in Ana's video. Jesse on the other hand did age visually.

And 37 with such a stressful Job is pushing it a little in the no wrinkles apartment or grey hairs department.

>>2338921
>apartment
Off to bed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz7J1GzQ7-I

Mercy x Pharah x Sombra fanart when?

>>2338921
The only Genji skin where we can see a bit of his face is the new Blackwatch skin and it's only his eyes area and that's also him in the past and we don't know how old is "Young Genji" supposed to be.
As for Mercy, I dunno if I'd say she looks same as in Ana's video. She (her model) looks 'young' but if I were to guess how old is she without knowing I'd say 30-something anyway. And most people don't go grey that young, especially if they are blonde.

On another note, Jeff Kaplan is on a roll with feeding us bullshit today.
Apparently they cancelled First Strike to not mess up with player's headcanons

>"We sort of saw Overwatch really open up to the world, and listening to players and the stories they were telling and what they imagined the Omnic crisis to be really made us second guess what we were doing in First Strike. We thought, ‘Hey, if we go down this path, it really closes all these doors.’”
>“Part of the magic is that everything is not tied off and explained to players”
>“There’s a lot going on in Overwatch right now where I think that the story in players’ heads is often even cooler than what we can deliver to them.”

Nice bullshit Jeff, apparently "closing doors" is only fine when it's players' ships but not when you have to actually do some work.

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>>2338693
>lower heartrate basically create the same kind of numbness like if you sat too long on your leg

What you're thinking of is when the nerves stop getting signals, which is more because you literally compressed your nerves so the chemical impulses aren't getting through.

Lower circulation can cause similar numbness for related reasons, and it's particularly why older people tend to feel pain differently and be more sensitive to changes in temperature.

The whole point behind her unique physiology is that with her low heartrate, etc., she doesn't have to worry about biokinetics the same way a normal person would, and thus it won't affect her aim. She doesn't have to worry about breathing or the slightest twitch of her muscles sending her aim off a fraction of a millimeter which can translate into fuck knows where the bullet goes when she fires the gun. Whatever Talon did, it's also making her body really hyperefficient in spite of being cyanotic.

You could've gone with something out of Metal Gear like nanomachines or biotics(e.g. the way the End or Quiet can derive stuff from their environment). They went with the thing that let them trot out a sexy sniper that's also blue.

Then you could also write some shit about how she only feels alive when shooting people or something.

Not that it really matters gameplay-wise. This isn't COD, you don't have to account for wind and the coriolis effect and all that, and you obviously can't go prone. Unlike weapon sway and needing to "hold your breath," your aim only moves as much as your wrist twitches when moving the mouse. And it's a hitscan weapon, not really a projectile you have to account for like a grenade or a rocket.

Compare TF2's Sniper who exclusively drinks decaf for the same reason. Or the use of depressants in Metal Gear games come sniper rifle time.

>>2338947
What a fucking copout. The fans only create "headcanons" because they're starved for content anyway. They're trying to fill in the blanks so they can continue to enjoy the game and gameworld. So if they did cancel First Strike for that, they're retarded. If his just vomiting bullshit, he's an asshole.

>>2338462
overwatch is doing fine with the piddly amount of lore they're putting out. i realize the return in this case is creating a world to engage their players in, but whether or not comics are really adding all that much draw is something i can only assume blizzard is tracking. they already wasted time and money on first strike. just because they can afford to put comics out doesn't mean they should, from a business standpoint.

i don't think they necessarily want to write bad stories, but i think their stories are always going to be at the mercy of the game's needs. its been a year and i have little expectation of blizz really delivering on lore despite what they claim, considering the amount of lore-specific content they put out has decreased. i know they have other franchises with sprawling lore, but they're not fps-centric.

fleshing out waifus is a risky business. i'm sure d.va and mercy will get screen time eventually, but the less information people have about them the more they can imagine them as their perfect waifu.

if what >>2338947 is true, then they are gimping their story to allow more players to "imagine" shit, and keep people talking about overwatch by leaving them to speculate instead of answering questions.

or he's trying to distract us from the fact that yeah, they have no fucking idea what they're doing.

>>2338463
i respect that.

>>2338954
heartbeat alone can impact sniping at very, very long distances. she can get more rounds downrange between beats.

>>2338947
Those people are most likely also not working in the same field as Angela, which puts you under a great amount of stress and if I look at my best friend's brother stress sure does make you go grey early.

As for First Strike: maybe they just don't want to admit it was shit and already riddled with Metzen's usual problems here and there.
Honestly I don't really care because from the looks of it the one person I wanted to see wouldn't have made an appearance in it. Seriously the way they play secret keeper in terms of Liao makes me think that it will turn out that he is the leader of Talon.

>>2338987
>but whether or not comics are really adding all that much draw is something i can only assume blizzard is tracking
You don't need to be an expert analyst to notice how every lore update brings tons of new fan content and media attention. Which in turn brings them money. That's an oversimplification but yeah there is a demand. The events wouldnt be half as successful if it was just skins with no context.

>considering the amount of lore-specific content they put out has decreased
Maybe compared to the pre-release time when they would release a cinematic after cinematic and comic after comic for a short time, but I wouldn't say it decreased in general.
It's just that it goes slow.
They did say they have another 'season' of shorts in production and that more comics are on the way too.
And also that they want to do more PvE events.

>their stories are always going to be at the mercy of the game's needs
>i know they have other franchises with sprawling lore, but they're not fps-centric.
I don't think these things are necessarily mutually exclusive.

>fleshing out waifus is a risky business.
>the less information people have about them the more they can imagine them as their perfect waifu.
This is assuming Blizzard cares about having 'perfect waifus'. I'm sure their goal is for characters to be likeable but in the end if they have a route they want to go with a character they'll do it even if that were to alienate a minority of players.
They wouldn't have made the face of their franchise a lesbian otherwise.

>they are gimping their story to allow more players to "imagine" shit
I don't know how seriously I'd take his explanation about this
Official update from Chu about TFS said something entirely different
https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/17614463092
Either way no one is liking Jeff's response from what I've seen.

>>2338955
It's hard to believe they canned it because of headcanons because the first thing Chu did aftetwards was smashing headcanons with later lore additions.

>>2338954
I'd say the part of making her body still efficient, and excuse my Shadowrun lingo here, is because they might have stuffed some wires inside here brain and other body parts so that she can still get the maximum out of her body. If you notice despite her pulse being so low she's also damn quick on her feet. Quick enough to keep up with someone zipping through time. So she might have some additional 'ware inside her.

>>2339009
well I'm not saying stress doesn't contribute to early aging, but at the same time, it doesn't work universally the same on everyone.

>>2339011
>Sombra holding a picture of Widow
Crazy, D.va would be more fitting concerning the text.

>>2338947
That's some top notch cop-out right here. People are so starved for content they look forward to AMAs just to be able to ask questions and get answers that aren't 70% headcanon 30% alcohol-induced stupidity. Of course they want canon lore to be expanded. Who cares if it "closes all these doors"? Blizzard doesn't have any problem with closing any other door, so what's so special about the Omnic Crisis?

>There’s a lot going on in Overwatch right now where I think that the story in players’ heads is often even cooler than what we can deliver to them
Yeah, no. That's actually a pretty dangerous line of thinking. OW is not exactly lore-focused, so it gets a get-out-of-jail-free card on this point, but generally letting people hype something up in their heads for too long only causes problems down the road.

>>2337035
Kek now I have to imagine Angela greeting people in Swiss.
>Grüezi mitenand!
>....
Of course depending on which area she's from she could also use salü/sali (from the French 'salut'), hoi or tschau (from ciao)

>>2339017
At the same time the likelihood that it has to do with her nanotech isn't too farfetched either. Her Valkyrie Suit does have some of that inside it and it's just a side effect that keeps her fresh.

On another note how come so many artist don't draw Angela with nice hips?
She's rocking an incredible pair.

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>>2339048

>>2339047
tumblr artists don't want to make beautiful women because that would be unrealistic since beautiful women don't actually exist as you know. The other artists who do draw them pretty usually focus on the boobs cause they're mostly dudes.

>>2339155
That's why you trust Korean girls on Twitter for fanart.

>>2339203
>seducing minors
Reported and called the police.

>>2339209
Angela is obviously just inviting her in to talk about flowers.

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Amélie shrunk down~

>>2339253
>cyanotic child

Angela's going to get arrested for child abuse.

>>2339155
>>2339162
Even the Korean artists don't seem to notice that Angela's hips are as wide as her shoulders.

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>>2339201
>>2339203

Hit you with a can of mace?

>>2338289
You mean sapient.

>>2339538
It's neither sentient nor sapient.

>>2339539
How do you know that, missy?

>>2339541
I'm actually D.Va.
AMA

>>2339542
When will Sombra hack your pussy or will you teleport into Satya's heart?

>>2339010
>You don't need to be an expert analyst to notice how every lore update brings tons of new fan content and media attention. Which in turn brings them money. That's an oversimplification but yeah there is a demand. The events wouldnt be half as successful if it was just skins with no context.

i'm not saying blizz isn't going to may any comics ever. i'm saying that releasing comics, without some kind of game tie-in behind it, is unlikely to be a priority. which is what monthly comics would be, unless they somehow get their shit together to do a multi-volume hype driver. out of the four comics that have come out in the last six months, two were directly event-related, one was for christmas and who the fuck read the third one because it was about bastion and torb? that's what i mean when i say they're at the mercy of the game in terms of story, that the game can dictate release timing, and content.

i didn't say they weren't going to do in-game events, i was specifically referring to anything released only to further or expand lore, without an in-game event, which to this point has been comics and shorts. in-game events are direct revenue generators. the cheapest lore thing they've done so far is the info on the gallery screens. sometimes the voice lines add a bit.

competitive fps games are not largely populated by players who give a rat's ass about lore, and even if it's a blizzard title it still requires a different touch than some of their other franchises. different department budgets.

i am sure we're going to get info on their waifu flagships eventually, but i don't see why they would be in a hurry to alienate anyone. as for tracer being a lesbian, i will never see that as anything other than a calculated pr move. it was risky, yeah, but they got their brownie points and press out of it.

if the answers are coming from different people, both reasons could be true. neither of them could be true. blizzard's a big company.

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>>2339544
I will blink my way right into Tracer's pants.

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>>2339546
Ambitious as always

>>2338527
I laughed. This is great.

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>>2339545
>anything released only to further or expand lore, without an in-game event, which to this point has been comics and shorts. in-game events are direct revenue generators.
You seem to think everything they do in terms of expanding the lore that isn't directly related to selling lootboxes is charity work. It's really not. They want to keep doing it because a)it brings attention to them b)there is a demand to see the world they created fleshed out. Demand means money. Point in case, again, comics and shorts can be collected and sold. Which they are doing. Here's your "direct revenue".

>competitive fps games are not largely populated by players who give a rat's ass about lore
Well, this one is.
There's plenty of people who got into Overwatch because they were impressed by one cinematic or another and intrigued about the world they've seen. Because you know, that's how Blizzard decided to market the game from the very first cinematic trailer in 2014. One of the biggest strenght on this franchise lies in its characters and aesthetics that were able to appeal to a wide range of people. A lot of which now wants more.
It doesn't even have to be a large percentage of players, if from the 30mln of people that bought the game 500,000 are interested in anything they release it's worth it, because these are the people that are going to keep the game alive in internet mindshare by constantly talking about it and these are the people who will buy every piece of merchandise Blizzard puts out.

>as for tracer being a lesbian, i will never see that as anything other than a calculated pr move.
It doesn't matter what was the reason, as far as ruining the "image of perfect waifu" it was the worst they could have done. Compared to that making D.Va into sociopath who actually only joined the military because she enjoys murdering omnics or whatever character "flaw" you can think of would be small issue. So no, I don't think they give a shit about waifufags.

>>2339203
>>2339253
Love this stuff

>>2337610
>>2337611
Cute and great art. Any more yuri-ish stuff from this artist?

>>2339820
>I don't think they give a shit about waifufags

Good. They shouldn't.

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>>2339832
Is that some lightly salted potato chips?

>>2339852
For better or worse it's also blatantly clear with Mercy that they don't cater to them.

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>Time to Kill update
>no Amelie this chapter

Feels mediocre man

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>when you can't read Chinese but the artist at least had the foresight to sprinkle the word "gay" in English several times.

>>2340000
kek

Also nice quads.

Where's the porn?

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>>2340012
Here's your handholding, you sick fuck.

>>2339988
>a sniper telling a flanker to get on the payload
That's not something you see every day.

>>2340124
>sniper complaining it's everyone else on the team who's the problem

No, that's pretty much every day.

http://archiveofourown.org/works/10941279
Here's a fun fanfic

>>2340148
>Futa

No thenks

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>>2339988
Atleast the author didn't take 2 months to update like last time. I was pleasantly surprised. Also, the time powers were cool and way better than anything Blizzard could come up with.

>>2340157
I get enough alternate universe angst from Along Came a Spider, I don't need more from literally the angstiest, most SUFFERING Tracer fic in the basket.

Aside from that, it didn't feel like anything happened this chapter. I was hoping from some plot and more Amelie wank, but instead it was a glorified fanfic of a fanfic with KKGlinka's Tracer acting as the OC for another author's universe. It was odd. Not bad, but not for me.

>>2340157
Blizzard can't really allow reality jumping "teleports behind u and stabs ur past self in the back" character in an FPS where limits exist.

>>2340159
I meant more in the sense that I know for a fact Blizzard are going to try to use her powers as a plot device sometime and completely botch it.

>>2339820
no dude, i don't think it's charity i just think that whatever return they're getting on the demand for lore hasn't been enough for them to prioritize it. if it was then i'd expect the amount of comics, etc. to have remained consistent. but it hasn't, the past six months have differed greatly from the first six, and they're still pulling plenty of money. so i don't expect any major changes coming in, especially not soon. there haven't even been any leaks related to lore from the anniversary event. if they do end up pulling something out for that, idk, i'll put a cooked egg on my face.

fps gamers spend a retarded amount of money on cosmetics, with or without being invested in a story. i understand that there is a demographic of diehard fans that wait for every drip blizzard lets out of the pipeline, create hype and buy tons of merch. but blizzard has still fucked off on lore outside of uprising and xmas. the only reasons that make sense to me for this are financial ones, and the kind of bureaucratic sludge that plagues large companies + collaborative projects. i assume they want to take care of both markets, but based on what the company has actually done (not said) they don't seem to care all that much about the lore crowd.

blizzard also marketed the game through twitch streamers, a lot of 'em from competitive game scenes.

i do agree they put a lot of effort into creating likable, relatable characters. i don't see blizzard being in a rush to fuck up keeping them that way, if their writing is consistently garbage. i'm also not sold on them not giving any shits about waifufags, their money is as good as anyone's.

but all of this is pretty much moot now anyways, seeing as they need to use their money to ship everyone involved in the zarya anniversary skin off to gitmo, and hire new staff.

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>>2340491
>whatever return they're getting on the demand for lore hasn't been enough for them to prioritize it.
No one argued for them to "prioritize" lore updates over other kind of updates. The argument was that they aren't doing enough to satisfy the demand. Which partially comes from them not having a clear direction of where to go with lore. Which you could deduce from their poor handling of their lore oriented initiatives like The First Strike, the Sombra ARG, or from various interviews.
Yet, as far as prioritization goes, since lore and gameplay updates often go hand in hand you could make an argument that Blizzard isn't doing enough period. After all after the release we've had only 2 additional maps added. It's no mystery people's have been lukewarm about the frequency the game's gameplay parts are updated too, not just the lore.

>the past six months have differed greatly from the first six, and they're still pulling plenty of money.
It really hasn't though? During the first six months after release we've had 1 cinematic and 3 comics. Exactly the same as during the last six months. Your perception is clouded by the fact that around the time of release they've released plenty of content they had time to prepare before hand.
I also found Uprising to be a huge step into the right direction and proof that they are listening to their audience, rather than a part of stepping backwards.

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>>2340491
>but blizzard has still fucked off on lore outside of uprising and xmas. the only reasons that make sense to me for this are financial ones
Lack of clear direction is one. Story being dependant on what the development team is doing and having to account for that would be two. Then there is also the fact that comics aside, both animation and PvE content takes time to make. Yet as slow as they progress, we know continuing the narrative is important to them.
Here's Jeff's yesterday's comments about shorts:

>The animated shorts are probably the thing that we have the most fun making.
>We really love working with our animation group and digging out the stories not tied to any constraints of gameplay—we can tell any stories we want.
>We plan to tell more of those. We're hard at work on more of those.
>They take a long time
>“We think of them as in seasons. That’s how we talk about them internally. So our first season started with ‘Recall’ [the Winston short] and ended with ‘The Last Bastion.’

Also here's his comments about the PvE mode from the Reddit AMA:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/6bwrvj/roverwatch_qa_with_jeff_kaplan_overwatch_game/dhq2onz/

So yeah I never actually got the impression or felt that the issue is they are abandoning or neglecting their storytelling efforts because they are content with the lootbox money. For me the issue is their handling of it has not been perfect so far. I'm sure in future it will get better. I just wish we were already at that point.

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>>2340491
>blizzard also marketed the game through twitch streamers, a lot of 'em from competitive game scenes.
Point being?
Yes, Blizzard can market their game to various types of audience. None is more or less important than another.

> i'm also not sold on them not giving any shits about waifufags, their money is as good as anyone's.
Waifufags are a minority, who might be relevant to some niche anime/anime game's success, but they are absolutely irrelevant to a blockbuster game like Overwatch. It's not that Blizzard would actively shit on them, it's just that they won't consider them while making their decisions. Which they already proved.
Your argument that "giving characters depth via giving them character flaws would make them less appealing" is pretty bad to begin with anyway. Characters don't instantly become unlikeable because they aren't perfect human beings. In majority of cases it would actually add to their appeal. And right now there are still people who hate one character or another even without any good reason. People hate Tracer, people hate Dva. People hate Widow. You will never please everyone.

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>>2340552
Robohero is cute.

>>2340552
>new Robohero

HNNG holy shit

>>2340554
>>2340558
Robohero is my hero t b h