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Izetta: The Last Witch

Previous Thread: >>2182007

Izetta of the Weekend comic
>http://imgur.com/a/NeFPH
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>>2196983
I really enjoyed last episode.

The plot is finally moving along, though, which likely means less Fine x Izetta moments.
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>>2196990
These two images feel like they mirror each other, in a way.
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>tickling
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>>2197001
It feels like it's been a long time since I've seen any decent Symmetrical Docking. Good show.
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>>2196983
Similar enought
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>>2196993
This must be literally the only pic where Izetta takes the initiative.
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>>2196983
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>>2197206
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>>2196983
Izetta looks like SP! nagicunt
Good thing there's no tamao
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>>2197412
Nagisa a cute. I bet you're just a jealous kouhai Shizuma fucked then threw away.
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>>2197412
>nagicunt
Still better than Hikari.
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Will having her girl's first kissu stolen spur Hime-sama to take things further with Izetta?
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>>2197539
An anon can dream.
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Cute comic for new episode.
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>>2197611
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>>2197627
She'll never call her "Fine" in the show though.
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>>2197631
Never say never. We can still get our "Say my name" scene.
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>>2197683
This is a pure thread. Wait until later, and never look for straight porn.
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>>2197715
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I love the work this series is doing on its potential OTP killers.
Unfortunately, there are at least three left. One is bound to slip through.
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>>2197717
>>2197715
WTF.
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>>2197800
>1940
>not wanting a finger in your pee hole
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Oh ouch
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>>2197833
at least this time they died together
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Here we go.
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>>2197852
>waifu got raped
>kill the rapist, kill the waifu, then kill herself
Best love story ever told.
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>>2197857
Why'd they build the building next to a huge cliff anyway
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>>2197864
>864 ▶
>>>2197857
>Why'd they build the building next to a huge cliff anyway
I think those are stairs.
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well izetta got rekt so fucking hard, god dammit, nex chap Germanian sex dungeon i gess
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>>2197959
Looks like Yoshino with earlier Bianca and now Izetta scenes is slowly going for his standard fetishes.
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>>2197959
>>2197961
She won't be raped, relax. Jesus Christ.
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>>2197959
>implying the audience will still buy izetta figurines after that
that's not how anime business works
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we've reach the point in the story where shit goes down. there are two or maybe more posible outcomes
they'll make Izatta use that berserk magic (that red thing in the past episodes) or they'll make the other witch change sides
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>>2197997
>they'll make Izatta use that berserk magic (that red thing in the past episodes) or they'll make the other witch change sides
Both. We see Sophie conflicted in this episode.
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This is SO setting up for yuri saving the country
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>>2197997
Nothing so far has made Sophie look evil, just angry. So there's definitely room for her to switch sides.
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Izetta is the hero /u/ deserves.
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>>2198052
Thank god the CCA doesn't exist yet. They'd never allow a pagan lesbian to be a comic book hero.
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>>2198049
>Nothing so far has made Sophie look evil
This does look like an evil laugh. Or maybe she really enjoys chaining up girls with big breasts.
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>>2197964
She's not going to get raped because everyone in Germania is fucking gay.
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>>2198069
>Or maybe she really enjoys chaining up girls with big breasts.
thats a pretty good fetish over there
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>If I win this battle, I'll finally score that princess pussy
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>>2198073
Maybe anon meant by the witch?
Knowing Yoshino and how anime works, that's pretty likely, actually.

On the other side, it looks like at the slight sign of plot on a show, /u/ gets triggered. There's nothing that looks like she'll get raped in this episode.
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>>2198041
Yeah Sophie is going to relate to Izetta because they were in pretty much the same situation. Well, with only the prince being a girl in this case.
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>>2198077
>last weeks comic foreshadowed how she lost today's battle
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>>2197997
The witch changing sides is likely, but not at this point. They still need a big final battle.

I want to see Fine coming to save Izetta, actually.
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>>2198073
The Emperor is fucking Elliot. I'm calling it.

He's the Emperor yet he isn't married. Definitely /y/ on the horizon.
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>>2198087
>The Emperor is fucking Elliot. I'm calling it.
Soon it will be revealed that Elliot is a male Wizard who can't use magic of his own due to being a man and need Witch blood to do it.

>>2198078
>Maybe anon meant by the witch?
>Knowing Yoshino and how anime works, that's pretty likely, actually.
Well despite liking Izetta and Fine as true pairing, I wouldn't mind Sophie going a bit of Katja from Qwaser BDSM route on Izetta and brainwashing her through that which would make Fine to break the curse through power of love which as a result would also make Sophie change sides.
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>>2198109
>Sophie going a bit of Katja from Qwaser BDSM route on Izetta and brainwashing her through that which would make Fine to break the curse through power of love which as a result would also make Sophie change sides.
Oh god this would be my dream scenario.

Maybe something like that happens because Berkman hinted that they have her "on a tight leash" so they probably brainwashed her seeing how she's basically bipolar and nuts. And she also has memories and grudges of a deceased person, that's not how cloning works so it must be mind control.
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>>2198060
>Thank god the CCA doesn't exist yet. They'd never allow a pagan lesbian to be a comic book hero.
In a world where lesbians kill Hitler and end WWII, maybe it wouldn't be so taboo
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>>2198118
Germania has some pretty good brainwashing, they convinced her into a crazy-ex.
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>>2198118
>And she also has memories and grudges of a deceased person, that's not how cloning works so it must be mind control.
Cloning also doesn't produce evil nazi vampire witches, so what actual cloning does is irrelevant.
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If only.
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>>2198222
sophie please

izetta and fine are for each other only
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>>2198230
Let her in. She deserves it damn it.
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Previous episode was just foreshadowing for Bianca hooking up with Sophie, so she can personally make sure Sophie's story ends with a happy ending.
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>>2198263
D E E P E S T L O R E
shitposting aside that would be wonderful
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>>2198232
Dude she killed a bunch of people, she blew up the capital and we don't even know if Fine is alright. She's very likely going to die by the end of this series as a good guy or bad guy is still left to speculation.
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>>2198264
>>2198263
I dunno. We see Sieg having that other half of the stone in his possession. He's either a descendant that will play a major roll or he's next in line for /het/ death.
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>>2198272
It's not fair ;_;
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>>2198274
>Sieg x Fine end
I am okay with this, Sieg is mysterious and brutal at times but he cares about Fine and this nation.
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>>2198276
We're going to meme him into the grave anon.
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>>2198274
I don't actually Bianca and Sophie to even talk to each other, but on the off-chance they do decide to make them hook up together, the previous episode would have been great setup in retrospect.
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>>2198285
>the man she loved
That's reaching.
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>>2198285
>the man she loved
Christ can you fuck off already with this. She never loved him.
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>>2198285
>>2198287
Yeah, she basically knew him for a day. I wouldn't say "loved".

maybe had a small attraction for, but even then I'm kinda stretching, here.
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>>2198276
>Sieg
>surviving, let alone ending up with Fine
Pick one.
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>>2198274
>He's either a descendant that will play a major roll
But this isn't a dice game. Am I in the wrong thread?
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>>2198232
>>2198275
Did she use her tongue?
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>>2198288
>>2198291
>>2198287
They were clearly going for some sort of romantic drama with those two.
It was stupid because she only knew him for 10 minutes.

She's a peripheral character anyway, her wanting some German's dick doesn't affect the yuri level at all
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>>2198318
She used teeth.
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>>2198274
BUT he isnt apart of the elysdat family so he cant be a descendant HE can be one of you know those who killed the white witch
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thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlZrFE0bmUw
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>>2198322
All the drama was in the german retard's head because he had a boner for romances with tragic endings. So he wanted to believe that's what happened to him. Why would you trust the ramblings of a dying delusional retard?
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>>2198222
Fine should be in the middle. So it's Witch x human x Witch sandwitch
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>Miss two weeks worth of episodes
>Get around to ep7
>That bed scene
>"the archduchess I love"

If this doesn't end in gay I'll fight the director
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>>2197964
>She won't be raped
that would be pretty unbelievable even for an anime.
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>>2198432
Sophia will probably not want anyone else to touch Izetta. Especially fucking grunts.
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>>2198432
>The trap and Asakura becoming main characters

Shouldn't have gotten my hopes up on a work being translated by Hachimatsu scans I guess.
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>>2198444
wrong thread
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>izetta, come back to bed
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Well I was pretty certain that this anime was going to have a sad ending but this episode was pretty standard setting for a happy ending. Guess that's one thing to be glad about.
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>>2198472
>happy ending
>bad guys deploy a witch of their own and capture both Izetta AND the capital
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>>2198479
>3 episodes left
If this was episode 11 I'd be worried, but it's not.
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>>2198517
Word. A sad thing happened at episode 9 meaning there's time for tension buildup, a hella fight, and then a happy ending.

Also since Sophie kissed Izetta does that mean we can hope for explicit /u/ or nah
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Izetta obviously didn't die, she just changed her identity and started her own school in season 2.
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>>2198547
Headcanon accepted.
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>>2198052
>EC Comics
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>>2198882
If DC was "Detective Comics", what is EC?
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>>2198887
The real EC was Entertaining Comics, most famous for Mad(before DC took over publishing duty).
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>>2198547
>cow tits - check
>white sexy uniform - check
>red hair - check
>red eyes - check
>insanely powerful witch plot magic - check
They are quite a like, especially in design.
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>>2198291
>stretching
Nope. They gave all the standard Anime signs of "she has a small crush for him". Yes, you can have that for someone you just knew.
That said, they ALSO have given before the same standard Anime signs for Bianca having a not-so-small crush for Finé (she gets bribed into dancing with Izetta with the promise to dance with Finé, no less. So no, he was NOT "the man she loved" by any stretch of imagination.
The one who had fallen HARD for Bianca was him. It was quite blatant, actually.
Serves him well
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>>2198415
It has already been gay, Anon. That sex discretion cut was blatant as fuck.
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Brushing white skin, so fell
A red string entangling me - I can't untie it!

I have no need for anything else,
So I'll believe in the pulsing, vivid color of this crimson!
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So out of the Elystadt characters, Bianca suspects the truth about the White Witch Story, Fine's deceased dad knew and Sieg probably knows. Why didn't Fine's dad ever tell her?

Also, why doesn't Izetta herself know from her grandmother? You'd think that knowing the White Witch was ultimately betrayed would have made a nice cautionary tale to make sure no other witches followed in her steps. I guess Sophie was excommunicated from the other witches the moment she helped the prince and the other witches didn't care enough to keep tabs on her.
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>>2199563
That, or the "true" story isn't actually true either.

Most likely the writers just forget about that bit of detail.
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>>2199578
>That, or the "true" story isn't actually true either.
That's what I'm betting too. It's probably somewhere between the G version and the M version with a bunch of misunderstandings mixed in.
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>>2199582
I've been thinking, what if the personality we've been shown is her actual personality, which mean she could be a bit yandere. So it was actually the witch who got jealous and the story was made up to protect WW's image as saviour.
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>>2199400
>The two people connected by the red thread are destined lovers, regardless of place, time, or circumstances.
AKINO knew what she was doing.

Is there any fanart of Fine and Izetta with the red string of fate?
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>>2197063
Actually I think it's more based around Beauty and the Beast.
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>>2199933
Kek has chosen this to be correct.
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>>2198547
>>2198907
w..who is this?
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>>2200758
Just watch Little Witch Academia already.
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>>2200762
Lesbian Dumbledore.
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>>2199906
Who's the artist? This is really nice
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>>2200833
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=60149648
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>>2200716
>if izetta was a shoujo.jpg
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>I don't remember this from the legend.
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>>2201592
>...but I think I like it!
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>>2201592
Somebody had to supply Fine with that see-through top and nothing gets to her without going through the royal guard first.
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Since the guy who did code geass also did this show, i can guess how the ending would be

Izetta and/or Fine gets killed
which turns out to be a ruse, Fine knows that Izetta will be hunted by major powers of the world (soviets and muricans) and her witchcraft could change the balance of power (cold war with witches, anyone?)
So she orchestrated the assassination of both she and Izetta.
How about the government? Isn't it irresponsible for Fine to abandon her position as head of state? Could be handwaved with "people of eylstadt are strong and brave, the will be fine choosing their own leader and embrace democracy"

Epilogue will show two familiar figure, one with blond hair and one with red hair holding hands on a horse drawn carriage. It's not stated who they are, but we already know
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>>2202215
If this happens, I will throw money at funimation, and maybe import the Japanese one as well.
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>>2203635
Fail. She was already in control of the gun so she could just fly it under to catch herself.
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Based Real Guardian, saving Izetta in not time
also this, damn germany tecnology
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goodnight sweet Archdyke
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>>2203686
Nah, Izetta will save her at a nick of time
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>>2203687
she can't even walk tho
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>>2203689
That's where that jewel will come into play
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>>2203689
You guys are scarring me. I try to wait to watch the episode until the subs are out...this is suffering
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>>2203741
Subs already out though...
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=876980
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>>2202215
Dude did you even listen to what they were saying about the stone, Izetta will probably sacrifice herself now. There is no way Izetta will live past the final episode.
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All this fear mongering for nothing. People have been saying Fine will die nd nothing happen.
Izetta anime is not a tragedy one, I really can't believe how people think Fine or Izetta will die in the end
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>>2203801
The stone will kill Izetta if she choose to use it.
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>>2203772
She'll probably try to sacrifice herself but I doubt she'll die, she'll probably give up a bunch of her life with the stone though.

But the tone of this show is all over the place so who knows.
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>>2203807
There's another way though, but it might hurt Fine like it hurt the prince. The stone channels leyline energy though the people holding it. So if Fine holds it as well then it will decrease both their lives but at least both will survive.
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>>2203806
Fine will calm her down with a kissu.
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>>2203683
>there are fields, Izzeta, endless fields... Where witches are no longer borned.
>we're being raised.
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>>2203815
This is Yoshino we are talking about...

Izetta is going to die, we will get a timeskip and later we see Fine tell her daughter(which she bore with a guy btw) a new bedtime story about how the white witch saved Elydstad(or whatever they call it).
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If this ends with dead gays I am going to be so mad.
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>>2203823
>i am siding with /het/ against them

go away
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>>2203823
>i am siding with /het/ against them
But this episode confirmed that they're /y/. /het/clone is just a soon to be dead again tool.

Also get the fuck out.
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>>2203835
>>2203838
>actually responding
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>>2203839
Can you fuck off with the shit opinions and male pictures?
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>magical nuke
>multiple Sophies
>not Hitler is preparing for Barbarossa and Narwhal Whale
>not America preparing to fight both Germania AND Eylstadt
That's a lot of shit to resolve in 2 episodes. Can anyone check if this series will only last one cour?

>>2203853
No but they're against the rules.
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>>2203853
>/u/ - Yuri
>2. Images must not contain men
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>>2203861
Saruman is not a men, saruman is maiar.
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>>2203860
Yea except that Sophie's entire magical power comes from Izetta's blood. And they are running out.
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>>2203806
>Implying there won't be a plot device that enables Izetta to live and also use the stone
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>>2203878
Apparently there's a caveat. It says the pure love between an Archduchess and her Witch will save both of them.

Oddly specific, but that's how it's written.
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>>2203879
>Both saved by the power of love
It's so obviousthis is going to happen. I can't see how some people here actually think Fine or Izetta will die.

The real question is, will they kiss or not
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>>2203868
Not really, sophie needed a drop of fresh blood of izetta just for activation from a mindless drone to her true self. She doesnt need that anymore. Only thing she needs is to see eylstad and her nobles utterly burn she stands on the precipice of vindication, vengeance and justice at long last.
Blade of fate hangs upon eylstadt together with germanians sophie will drive it deep into that treasonous country. These miserable echoes of the royal family will face a witch renewed with germanian science hordes of v1s will shatter their fortresses, unending hordes of germanians will harvest every soul within its fallen walls.
Eylstadt will burn, its lakes will boil and royal guard will cry over the blackened bones of their guardians funeral pyre. At long last sophie will take vengeance for her execution.
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>>2203882
>She doesnt need that anymore.
rewatch last episode
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>>2203832
I'm with you onee-chan. The world doesn't need more dead lesbians.
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>>2203882
They just got done injecting her with a vial of Izetta's blood in this episode.
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>>2203832
It's gonna end with dead gays either way nee-san. >>>/a/150500916

The eternal /het/jew made us fight our natural allies.
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>>2203906

Magic stone is what is killing her clone body. If she didnt use that she would have lived but that is not important because as she said she is already dead. While the germanians are thinking about capturing izetta and constantly using her fresh blood to switch and activate clones sophie cares about only one thing. Vengeance. She will burn eylstdat and will burn along with it. All will be dust.
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>>2203910
Hmm Izetta has an unlimited supply of Izetta's blood. So she would be okay using the stone?
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>>2203917
No because she doesnt have clones to switch to when her body detoriates due to exposure to the magic stone.
Think of magic stone as a highly radioactive material. Germanians thought to get around that by switching the bodies.
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>the stone
I thought it only drew magic from the land, and Sophie is deteriorating because clone tech was extremely rudimentary.
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>>2203917
think of it as a life force sucker, every use has a cost. Too many uses and you're as dead as Finé in the next chapter
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>>2203923
Yeah, they literally say "Our technology isn't up to that level yet".
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>>2203932

They are saying our tech is not that good in regards to re-fueling her life force after the stone drains it not due to clones being inferior.

>>2203923
See this
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>>2203933
In addition to that clones are inferior argument is scientificaly not accurate
Read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolly_(sheep)#Death
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>>2203940
Maybe Sophie's DNA is not complete in her clones because there wasn't enough data left in her remains.
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>>2203910
>>2203933
not sure why you keep trying to deny this

they literally say the clone body is unstable and that's why she's dying so fast
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>>2203949

They may say that but that certainly is not the case thinking in IRL terms. Probably they dont know much about the process or how stone effects her so they are just saying that body is detoriating because it is a clone.

>>2203943
I am not a scientist but according to this article http://www.nature.com/news/dna-has-a-521-year-half-life-1.11555 and considering the fact taht inquisition really got fired up at the start of 1580s and the year is 1940s it is safe to say that dna should be in a good condition.
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>>2203953
>thinking in IRL terms
anon...
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>>2203937
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>>2203953
With a 521 year half life, and ~360 years having passed, it's expected that some nearly 40% of the bonds have broken.
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>>2203953
>Bringing up actual scientific stuff to an anime
This is dumb. Do you even anime?
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>>2203937
>posting dicks in /u/
>actually not against the rules
As Corporal Stiles would say,
Fook
me
rigid
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>>2203940
>>2203953

>show about gay witches
>scientific accuracy
pick one
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>>2203997
That's excatly what my post meant, you baka
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>>2203997
No, mens are filth.
They shoud be drawing vagina on each other's face
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>>2203937
Should be vaginas instead.
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>all possible outcome in this series now leads to Izetta's death
Yoshino...
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>>2204298
To be fair that is a rather classic yuri end point.
You could say that this was expected since the start with the heavy teasing.
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>>2204317
Izetta the last witch, they put the spoiler in the bloody title.
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>>2204328
Maybe Izetta will set off some Exenium chain reaction and destroy the entire world's ley lines, thus ending the practice of witchcraft forever.
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>>2204328
The show's thing so far has been to try and subvert expectations. So all the shit about bad endings is just a red herring. A good ending is much more likely.
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>>2204328
Aang was the last airbender but he didn't die. Let me believe, nee-san.
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>>2204351
>A good ending is much more likely.
No, it really isn't. Given that since the start there was a sense that the two were star-crossed which only grew at the show continues.

>The show's thing so far has been to try and subvert expectations.
Save the fact that it has been running yuri trope after yuri as direct as possible. Save for the fact that NotNazi Germania has been well... they aren't Nazi's they are just as bad however.
There are some indications that the show will just run into things head on.
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>>2204359
When your best argument is your own "sense", that's a sign you're on rather shaky ground. This show isn't even on the knife-edge of pretending anyone can die through any means available short of other than killing anyone important that series like Yuyuyu or Gakkou Gurashi had; that's where it wants to be, but it's been way too obvious about how throwaway its throwaway fatalities were. The Symphogear cliffhanger that the previous episode's ending turned out to be just clinches it.
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>>2204359
>No, it really isn't. Given that since the start there was a sense that the two were star-crossed which only grew at the show continues.
You are either trolling, or you are retard
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I think all the ley lines will be gone by the end, since it's one way to neatly solve the 'Witches of Mass Destruction' dilemma.
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>Your image contains an embedded file
Sure it does m00t.
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>>2204424
>>2204426
cute
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>>2204424
>>2204426
Translation?
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>>2203908
>The eternal /het/jew made us fight our natural allies.
OI! We Jews had nothing to do with this!
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>>2203998
Magic can be scientifically accurate, you know. If you make the magic be mental manipulation of physics and chemistry, then you're good. With sufficiently advanced tech, we'll be able to do shit like that too in 10,000 years if Humanity's not all dead by then.
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>>2204424
>2016
>moot
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>>2204353
But considering all the set-up for her death, as well as the gag extras which has Izetta dying

It's gonna inevitable

And even if she survives, she might never be with Fine again, because "lol bittersweet"
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>>2204689
>not getting ebin maymays
Onee-sama, do you even 4chan?
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I'm worried for them.
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>>2205737
Yeah, I'm worried too, but I think this is what we must feel right now as audience.
Instead, I feel quite hopeful for a good yuri end in general. Since the anime until now showed quite a few romance clichés and some of them where presented as if they have to be completed later to gain a fulfilling clusure to the cliché itself, I'm quite sure we'll have some nice conclusion. Precisely, I'm talking about the Finé-Izetta failed dance scene and the kiss between Izetta and Sophie. They absolutely have to dance together at some point and since the kiss was portrayed in a negative way, there must be a good and positive kiss in the end obviously between Finé and Izetta. For once I'm rooting for the cliché route. Please Yoshino. Then if this doesn't happen, I don't know how I will react..
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>>2204424
>m00t.
It's Hiroshima Nagasaki these days.
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>>2205866
The entire plot is set up to have Fine and Izetta defy the outcome that Prince and Sophie had. Anything but a good yuri end would be really really dumb at this point.
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>>2205877
Het failed in this, but yuri will do it!
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>>2205915
Also kind of helps that FIne wasn't married. I'm not sure what kind of outcome the prince was even expecting.
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>>2205956
The "and the evil witch died and everyone lives happily ever after".
He kinda got what he wanted but forgot this is a fairy tale by the Grimm brothers. Fine is going for the Disney fairy tale end.
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>>2205632
>2016
>teh ebin maymay not being Hirosimaaaa instead of Moooot
Should I slowpoke you a year from now?
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Finally getting around to picking this up, any recommendations on whether to go with Chyuu, Chihiro or HS for subs? I'm aware the former two are quite a ways behind but I could watch one until I caught up at least.
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>>2206182
I gave up on Chihiro after they did their shitty trollsubs with Aria AA; just go with Chyuu, and then HS for the rest if you can't wait.
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>>2206182
pretty sure chyuu and chihiro just dropped it
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>>2206185
Thanks anon, that's how I was leaning given the various bits of bullshit Chihiro has pulled in the past. I'll switch to HS once I catch up then go back and rewatch again if it finishes strongly enough.

>>2206186
Chyuu at least are just being typically slow-as-hell, they just released ep6 5 days ago. Not to say they won't give up later necessarily but so far they're plugging away at it, and often by the time a group gets through 50-75% of a show they can muster themselves to polish off the last few too rather then get entirely demoralized. Unless it has BAD END of course, but in that case we don't need good subs either.
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>>2206196
I've been using the first player on here:
http://ww1.gogoanime.io/shuumatsu-no-izetta-episode-1
>inb4 HUR DUR streaming pleb
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>>2206711
>>inb4 HUR DUR streaming pleb
At least you know that you're terribly and unquestionably wrong for streaming
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>>2206804
I don't get why 4chan hates streaming as if it's the devil. So, it might not have top quality , but it's still fine and convinient without having to download episodes with torrents or whatever
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>>2206810
>So, it might not have top quality
That, right there, is exactly why. If you're experiences a medium where the visuals and the audio are the main part of how said medium is experienced, why would anyone purposefully undercut their viewing experience if they have any other choice?
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>>2206818
you're experiencing*
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>>2206818
Cost-benefit analysis. If I'm watching something just to kill time and I'm not terribly invested in the show, watching in 720p is fine if I save a few minutes. Or if I'm using my phone while I'm at work and I'm not busy.
>inb5 >watching anime >not a NEET

Hell, the main reason I torrent is for consistent subs more than anything else.
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>>2206818
The streams that I watch are all at least the same quality as the TV airing. I don't see what the problem is.
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>>2206810
>I don't get why 4chan hates streaming as if it's the devil.
Don't listen to this guy >>2206818, although he does have a point.
4chan hates streaming for the same reason it hates vlc. Because it's something casuals use and we hate casuals. We hate them a lot.
Note: we don't care about streaming shit on sites like livewatch and scrolling moontext sites. Because that requires you to be able to understand moon, which is the opposite of being a casual. Although not really.
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>>2207018
Yeah, almost, but there was actually a decent point why 4chan hated VLC back in the late 2000's. It was a shit player. The video quality was awful and it couldn't render subs correctly - especially if there were {comments} in the .ass file (it would display the comments as part of the subs) However, since VLC is actually decent now, it IS for the reason you said.
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>>2207024
In fact, we had the amusing-as-fuck issue in the last batch of /ak/ subs (pity they're not mnaking subs for Izetta) that their subs somehow rendered fine in VLC but not in some other players - yielding the use of the line "Just use VLC instead of meme players". Ah, the shitstorm.
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>>2207024
If you think about it, what you're saying is that we hate VLC because that's just how it's always been.

Which is the worst form of normalfaggotry.
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>>2207194
To be fair, VLC is still a shitty player. It wastes way too much CPU power and RAM compared to mpc-hc and mpv. Granted, on today's PC/laptops that's kind of a moot point, but still.
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>>2207024

Back in the day VLC gave me cancer so I hated it and just assumed it still remained cancer to this day.
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>>2207194
Yep. pretty much this, Onee-sama.
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>>2207238
>mpc-hc and mpv
Hee hee. See >>2207164. Those were the "meme players" players that rendered subtitles incorrectly.
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>>2208305
Mpc-hc does have issues with pgs subs (the ones that comes with (blu-rays) but I've never had an issue with subs on mpv.
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>>2205737
I'm worried for Izetta, she now has the stone that gives her plot cancer.
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The pilot seems to be bro-tier, shipping Izetta and Finne togther.
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>>2208756
When will Hans die for that het triple kill combo?
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Oh Izetta!
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SECRET IN THE MONTAIN
literally!
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Great episode today
everything will be daijobu!
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>>2208817
do we get an actual confession?
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Someone is working on an "I Can Show You The World" video right now, right?
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>>2208816
H-How dare you!
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>>2208817
Holy shit I didn't notice them at first. This is so romanticu
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>>2208824
just the typical, probably will be a long discussion about this scene
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>>2208828
define typical my dark lord
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>>2208821
Do they have a threesome?
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>>2208817
they were THIS CLOSE
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>Fine comments that they can't see the moon
>Izetta flies her above the clouds to watch it

The moon is beautiful tonight.
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>>2208834
Did they join the mile high club?
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>>2208830
clearly gay but still best friends
like Flipflap, LL sunshine, etc
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>>2208837
Does it count if it's not while flying? They landed first.
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>>2208894
There are numerous cities around the world that are more than a mile above sea level. So no, mile high club refers specifically to mid-air sex.
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>>2208897
Well, hopefully they'll have plenty of time to check that one off later. Probably a good idea for Izetta not to have to try controlling a broomstick while having her first time, though that does sound like something that could give both of them a new headbump in next week's comic.
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I haven't watched Izetta yet, but it appears that there is good yuri content, so perhaps I'll bump it up on my to watch list. On a scale of 1 to 10, how is the story?
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>>2208834
Shitty version from a twatter gif.

I'm going to count it.
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>>2208903
The main story is honestly really dumb. Fine+Izetta's relationship and the battles are the entertaining bits.
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>>2208903
7
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>>2208905
Better than Regalia at least.
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>>2208904
That really needs extended to show the cut back in with the moon having moved a quarter of the way across the sky in the time between the fade to black and when we see them next.
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>>2208904
and then they fucked like rabbits(which its implied), what a beautiful love story
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>>2208910
I'm downloading the raw right now so give me 25ish minutes to get it done.
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>>2208910
that son is an implied fuck
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>>2208907
Probably. Just thinking about it now I think Regalia's plot might be better on a second viewing. Izetta's story is kind of more interesting in that it seems to be designed to be watched one ep a week while it's being broadcast which is why they keep having the pseudo-cliffhangers and whatnot. It makes it entertaining to speculate but if you watch the entire series back to back the asspulls and pointless developments that go nowhere will probably become much more noticeable and annoying. While Regalia was kind of incomprehensible and didn't seem to really have much of a plot until the end, some stuff from early in the series makes more sense in context once you're at the end. A pity the awful battle sound effects make Regalia difficult to watch.
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Did we actually get a fucking Yuri end!!! This is amazing!
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>>2208926
It's Xena-style subtext. They probably won't come straight out and say it, but there's a pretty strong implication they slept together.
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>>2208929
>It's Xena-style subtext. They probably won't come straight out and say it, but there's a pretty strong implication they slept together.

They need to step it up or else Yuuri On Ice outgays 10 times over
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>>2208940
The pure fact they basically slept with each other, makes this a case of confirmed Yuri which i'm happy about.

Just glad there basically confirmed lesbians.
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subs
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=878935
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>>2208940
Yuuri and Viktor got engaged last episode. Izetta and Fine better do something impressive.
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>>2208940
YOI is surpass /u/s in every way.

It's a true story of love.

No tease or bait.
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>>2197627
>>2197628
Honestly never thought we'd see our own meme magic become real.
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>>2208955
>>2208957
And Fine didn't blush even once keeping it all in control.

I want to see Fine-sama blush when Izetta returns to her and they kiss.
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>>2208959
Fine-sama is too alpha for blushing
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>>2208825
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So the flat part of the peak being clear of snow is because the magic bubble for warmth melted it while they were rolling around having sex, right?
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Haha! Time for romance!
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>>2208841
>Love Live Sunshine
>Just best friends

Hah
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>>2209007
Is Sunshine worth watching for cute girls and yuri?
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>>2208959
She was kinda blushing here.
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>>2209011
Yes. Yes.
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>>2209011
Yes, a lot better than the first series on my opinion.
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>>2209011
If that's what you like you'll probably enjoy it. It's got more relationship drama than the original show but don't expect kisses or anything. Just put your goggles on their lowest setting and have fun.
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Basking in afterglow.
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So... that was an honest-to-goodness implied sex scene, huh.
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>>2209029
Considering they did the same thing earlier with the tickle fight, probably. And this time there's no tickle fight.
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>>2209029
I really can't deny it. The descent/fall after the final name call is super lewd.
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>>2209025
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>>2209025
>"I can't see the moon, huh"
>Izetta takes her over the clouds
witch waifu best waifu
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>>2209036
Hmmmm
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>>2209039
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>>2209035
Oh my~
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>>2208903
I've begun watching Izetta, and I like the art style so I'm probably going to stick with it. Finé(?) Seems cool
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Canon lesbians this is so amazing...
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>>2209064
I'm almost through episode 1 and honestly I'm so very confused...
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finally art with the red string of fate
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>>2209081
Confused? This show has like the most straightforward anime writing imaginable
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>>2209083
You didn't really need to post it.
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>>2209083
And trash faces.
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>>2209068
Still no kiss.
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A whole new woooorld~
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>>2208835
>The moon is beautiful tonight
And there's your confession.
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>>2209101
Not over yet.
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>>2209105
Are you done with the video yet?
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>>2208947
It depends on the setting. /u/ and Viktor and grown up men in today's world. They can go further in certain aspects of their relationship. For Izetta and Fine a non censored kiss and not get killed would be more than enough. Fuck, implied sex is more than enough, just don't die.
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Tumblr is going crazy now.
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>>2209126
Who cares
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Just finished the episode and ... AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH.... I loved everything from that broom riding date and what was implied after. Everything was so romantic and so dreamy. Could it be one of the most beautiful yuri date in anime history? Now, Yoshino give us a satisfying yuri endind with a kissu, even though I can say that I'm alredy satisfied enough with the last episode.
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>>2209107
Izetta will be dead next episode. I don't see how they will have the time for a kiss.
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>>2209138
She dies in every 4koma already.
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>>2208904
Well there's our metaphorical sex and orgasm for the season.
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>>2208955
Their faces got really close as they were coming down off that high.
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>>2209081
You need to watch Flip Flappers and tell us what you think about it. Don't worry, I'll wait.
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Didn't expect that surprise yaoi from this episode too. That Berkman and Sieg tension.
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>>2209165
I know right
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>>2209145
if yaoi on ice got a supposedly canon kiss, then we can definitely say fine and izetta kissed as well
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>>2209035
If we get a kissu I'm framing this on my wall.
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>>2209175
I'd only do that if Izetta and Fine are shown doing something worthy of being published in that Yuri Pregnancy anthology series.
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>>2209101
No, just implied consummation.
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I just watched the episode. The scene with the broom was so intimate, it made my heart go doki. I especially liked how smooth and soothing Fine said "less mumbling" when Izetta was trying to call her name.
Fine is such a waifu material
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>>2209187
Bet their other lips kissed.
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So /u/, since we are at the finale what outcome do you guys consider to be best?

1. Izetta dies, Fine goes on to have a family of her own with a male husband and she names her daughter Izetta.

2. they both die in battle.

3. Stone finally kills Izetta 10-20 years later, Fine dies a few days later of a broken heart. They are bored in full honors, relationship is up to interpretation but its as much as NanoFate is up to interpretation.
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>>2209289
>bored = buried
Fucking MacBook...
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>>2208962
Holy
fucking
shit.

That was quite unexpected, I would say is on of the top "oh, shit" moments in the show.

>>2208957
And still, I'm amazed how they turned one of the naughtiest cliché (say my name, bitch) into one of the cutest and romantic scenes.

Fuck, I love this show
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>>2209289
Izetta will die and we later find out she used magic to impregnate Fine on the mountain with a new witch daughter.
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>>2209300
Extra twist: Izetta impregnated Fine with a clone of herself, and Fine will get to fuck Izetta in loli form and they lived happily ever after.
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>>2209289
Izetta dies, but uses the last of her magic to save Sophie and give her a healthy body with a normal lifespan as penance on Eylstadt's behalf. Sophie spends the rest of her life helping people (to make up for what she did during the war) with Fine who's keeping her promise to Izetta.
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>>2209300
>Not-Hitler's boyfriend gets shot
>will die anyways
>tells Fine of some sort of medicine that will cure Sophia of all magic cancer
>side effect is it also turns witches into regular girls
>Izetta is saved from plot cancer but is no longer a witch
>asks Fine if she is dissapointed
>Fine kisses Izetta
>they raise their magical baby twins that Izetta gave fine in this episode
>end
>Season two is twincest
>girls have magical power but the show is just SOL and cute girls doing cute things in 1960s Europe
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>>2209138
When a main character died and stayed dead in a Yoshino anime?

Come on, the guy even revived everyone in Mai Hime.
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>>2209310
10/10 perfect ending.
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>>2209310
Going to be pissed if Fine and Izetta is raising their two daughters as "best friends" while "waiting for the right Otaku-kun" to come along like Nanofate.
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>>2209313
They're already past the point of anything NanoFate did except raising kids, so it's unlikely.
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>>2209148
What is Flip Flappers...?
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Perhaps Izetta will die with Sophie, but will be revived as a clone, and that empty-eyed Izetta in OP is really a scene of her possession of her new clone body and she will elope with Fine to their mountain love nest.
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Damn it you guys, stop talking about Izetta's death already.

Especially since it's not going to happen.
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>final episode
>Hitler and his bf is dead
>so is everyone else that doesn't matter
>Fine searches for Izetta
>see her sitting against a wall mortally wounded
>Sophie is dead next to her
>Izetta! Izetta!
>Hime--- Fine, I'm sorry
>NO NO NO!
>Fine-sama, do you want me to live?
>Yes IZETTA tell me I will do anything!
>Izetta whispers in Fine's ears
>really? I... its kinda embarassing
>ugh I'm dying.. ugh...
>okay I'll do it!
>I want to combine bodies with Izetta
>turns out its a dream
>Fine wakes up in her house with her sister Bianca
>err daijobu onee-chan your secret is safe with me!
>no its not!
>that reminds me I need to call Izetta
>Bianca~!!!!
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A variation of this
>>2209317
Izetta dies defending the free world, taking Sophie down with her. Germans create their first batch of pure Izetta clones, but things go horribly wrong for them when Izetta revives in the entire batch. Multiple Izettas wipe out Otto, the entire Germanian army and the remaining Sophie clones, while the rest rescue Fine.
Fine steps down from active political duty so she can focus on engaging in group sex with her harem of Izettas for the rest of their lives.
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>>2209316
Another really good yuri show. Check it out.
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>>2209327
Flip Flappers is not yuri though.
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>>2209328
I'm still rooting for a Yayaka end.
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Did they actually kiss?!
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>>2209375
Looks like QUALITY to me.
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>>2209375
Yes
They even finger banged under the moonlight.
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>>2209385
There was no kiss, if there was the producers would have thrown it in our faces.
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>>2209387
It's not far fetched to assume.
Especially with the body language they show in the entire scene.
I do wish there was an on-screen kiss to put the cherry on top, but this was one of those rare cases when it wasn't necessary.

I wasn't expecting the episode to turn the yuri up so fast as they did, especially with all the events that just took place, so everything was appreciated. Honestly, my faith in an on-screen kiss is higher than before.
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>>2209105
Guys, I think I've watched this scene at least 20 times today. I'm going to in fact watch it again right now.

I think I may have a problem.
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>>2209404
Today will be over in 15 minutes, so at least you won't watch it 30 times today.
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>>2209299
>That was quite unexpected
Haha nope, I saw it coming a mile off. That scene was so bad it ruined my enjoyment of the nightflight a bit.
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>>2209323
No thanks.
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>>2209387
Think of it like the way underwater kisses get obscured with streamers of bubbles, which happened in Blue Drop I think despite the show being explicitly billed as yuri.

Japs hate throwing sexuality things in their audience's facelike they so they try to be clever instead.
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>>2209429
Holy fuck Anon, I've been thinking about that scene all day, but didn't bring it up because I didn't think anyone else would be reminded of it. But also because I'm a filthy coward.

I'd kill for an Izetta/Fine "I love you", though.
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>>2209429
Japs hate throwing sexuality in their audience's faces so they try to be clever instead.

>>2209432
Now I'm embarrassed because I really should have proofread that post.

We are certain to get something for the two of them at least, and Izetta hinted at some kind of yuri-powered trump card here so that should be fun.

Maybe the stone grants admin rights if you're married to Eylstadt royalty.
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>>2209126
I went over to check out the reaction, and it's kind of hilarious. They're all just obsessing over "THEY SHOULD HAVE KISSED" and how close their faces were. It's like they're so used to "um okay so madoka is a canon semidemihemisexual trans-tomgirl now, deal with it" that they're completely blind to when a story ACTUALLY implies that something related to LGBLTBBQ sexuality happened.
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When the German had his hand on Fine, Izetta's aura was burning red.
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>>2209460
>not drinking the wine from between izetta's pressed togther breasts or thighs
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>>2209310
Remember that ambassador dude that requested not-America to declare war on both not-Germany and Eylstadt? They can't just leave that plot thread hanging unless it's a sequel hook.

S2 is the not-American invasion of not-Europe.
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>>2209466
>a sequel hook
Egads.

It's a good point though.We know there can be no peace for Izetta and Fine unless they fake Izetta's death. Or Izetta drains the the whole world of magic so that even witches with a power stone are powerless.
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>>2209466
Having a sequel hook doesn't guarantee a sequel, unfortunately. They'll probably throw in a few like keikakuman defecting to Atlanta and one of the clone babies waking up, but we'll be lucky to even get a manga showing what actually happens next.
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>>2209319
If no one noticed, Izetta said she discovered something about the stone now that she used it. I can see them saying how there is a glitch and someone can use it without getting their life drained.

But this is /u/ so when there is nothing wrong, people just try to create it...
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>>2209474
But you're the one spinning things out of thin air. The show explicitly tells you through exposition and plot that Izetta is in mortal peril, from the stone, from Sophie, from Germania's anti-witch tanks, and from not-USA.

Whereas the line you are talking about does not clearly say anything. It's set in the context of their conversation about the danger to Izetta's life, but it also involved Fine in some way. For all we know it might have allowed her to impregnate Fine as one of those sentimental "you'll still have a part of me even if I die" cliches.
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>>2209480
>Whereas the line you are talking about does not clearly say anything.

I think you don't understand narratives very well if you don't see that that's the entire point. If you have a 100% certain plan and the audience know about it, it's guaranteed to go wrong; conversely, if it's a million-to-one chance that hinges on a mysterious detail that was deliberately cut away from before being explained, you might as well start planning the parade already.
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>>2209481
>when there is nothing wrong, people just try to create it...
This is the line I was objecting to. The "something wrong" is part of the story. They aren't creating anything. And you are the one making assumptions about the subject and resolution of that particular narrative hook.
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>>2209310
JEESUS FUCKING CHRIST FUND THAT NOW!!!
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>>2209524
It's like she suddenly realized how close their faces are.

While at the same time not batting an eye at the fact that her arms are around her and she's sitting on her lap.

I live for this.
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>>2209530
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>>2209531
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>>2209466
>>2209471
No, Izetta is the last witch. There won’t be anything after her, no magic, no bombs, so there won’t be any reason for Atlanta to invade or for clone babies to be relevant.
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>>2209536
Doesn't work. Atlanta's threat never materialized yet in the first place, so saving them from it is narratively meaningless.

Similarly with the clones. They introduced the room of clones and the idea that Sophie could transfer to them at the cost of her current consciousness, and with a single episode left there's only one way to make that pay off.
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>>2209538
>Doesn't work. Atlanta's threat never materialized yet in the first place, so saving them from it is narratively meaningless.
I don't think the threat of Atlanta invading was created for nothing. And now that they have nukes powered by magic, they have even more reason to view Eylstadt as a threat. As long as magic exists in the world, that is.

As for the clones, one would think that it would be obvious that spares would exist. Not only since Sophie's body apparently can only last for so long, but because when you have the technology to make one living weapon of mass destruction, the next logical step for an evil superpower would be to make more living weapons of mass destruction.
Not to say that it's not possible they might still come into play somehow.
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>>2209538
>Atlanta's threat never materialized
Doesn't matter. The audience still knows that it's there, and all the events since that threat was described only serve to confirm Atlanta's fears. We the audience are still aware that the heroine's struggles are ultimately futile unless they change the newly established status quo. They will never have peace while witches exist.
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>>2209538
Yes that does work. If you remove magic from the world like the stone was shown to be capable of, that immediately defeats even an army of clones and also removes the threat of invaders trying to get rid of or steal magic because it’s already gone.

In fact it does that better than if you address the issues directly. Atlanta most likely isn’t the only country that’s afraid of this power and would rather see it destroyed than in the hands of a potential enemy. The narrative hook wasn’t “Atlanta is evil, they have to be dealt with later”, the narrative hook was “if you have a powerful weapon, others will want that weapon too”.
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>>2209540
Does matter. You don't skip from foreshadowing to solution without the problem actually happening in the middle.
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>>2209541
And that's all it was thus far: a hook. Writing in and then dropping a hook before anything actually happens with it is sloppy in the extreme.
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>>2209544
Have you missed the entire NotNazis want to capture Izetta plotline? How has nothing happened?
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>>2209542
I think you are underestimating Yoshino's ability to be a bad writer.

I hope you're wrong though. An S2 would be nice so long as they don't leave S1 on a burstangelesque cliffhanger.
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>>2209546
>I hope you're wrong though.
I hope you are right, I meant.

Izetta vs an evil Not-US empire would be fun.
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>>2209545
They wanted her to wage a war of aggression. The idea that places like Atlanta are scared of her very existence and want to neutralize her even as an ally is thus far not part of the narrative, just the foreshadowing for it.
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>>2209548
They wanted her for their own national interests because having powerful things is nice for your national interests. The specifics of those are irrelevant, the core idea stays the same. The bomb plotline happening now plays into the same theme, a powerful device to threaten other countries with. It’s not about using it, it’s about its existence itself. The aggressor wants it to exist, the defender wants it to not exist, and that’s what this show is about at its core (remember Fine using Izetta for propaganda first and war second?) and why I’m pretty sure that Izetta will just remove magic. Problem solved.

This whole thing is so narratively cohesive that I’m having trouble believing it’s written by Yoshino. I expected far more clones and dead spies in a Yoshino show.
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>>2209551
>The specifics of those are irrelevant, the core idea stays the same

Oh, please. No, however the finale solves things, the evil empire wanting to steal powerful magic because it wants to take over the world is not the same "core idea" as "peace between nations cannot exist so long as there are power imbalances".
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>>2209553
The core idea is that powerful weapons don’t need to be used to have an effect. They just need to be shown to exist. That’s it, that’s what this show is about, and all those things play into this idea. Izetta upsets the power balance of the world with her mere existence, that is what Eylstadt used as a weapon, what NotNazis wanted to destroy (and now get on their own with the bomb) and what other countries fear, rightfully so. There is nothing sloppy about this.
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>>2209558
This, part of the episode was about how the whole idea was to announce the bomb's existence at the peace talks. I'm not sure what the problem is.
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>>2209558
>The core idea is that powerful weapons don’t need to be used to have an effect.

You're moving the goalposts. That's not in itself a problem; it becomes a problem when it's developed into the idea that that fear is not only a weapon against your enemies, but a target painted on your back to your allies, and that's something the show has foreshadowed but never actually developed.
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>>2209561
That’s not a problem at all because this is not a new idea, just a new facet of an old one. You said it yourself, it’s developed from something that already exists.
Also, they are not “allies”. Before the whole witch thing they didn’t give a flying fuck about Eylstadt getting buttraped. They got involved with ulterior motives right from the beginning.
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>>2209563
It is a very new idea. The thing that they're using as a trump card actually backfiring on them is a massive upset that requires actual development, not being solved before it actually ever causes an issue in the plot.

It *could* have been developed and dovetail with other aspects of the story, but it wasn't. In fact, what has caused Eylstadt problems? The exact opposite - not their own threat backfiring and producing more enemies, but their weapon turning out to not be all-powerful and that being spread via German propaganda.
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>>2209566
The show pretty explicitly mentioned that their trump card did backfire on them. They built up their witch as the ultimate super weapon with propaganda and all that only worked in the favor of Germania since they only had to prove that their witch was more powerful than the other, all the long leg work of proving that witches are capable of fighting in wars or even exist in the first place was already done, and it’s debatable how much they’d even be capable of proving that themselves with how limited Sophie’s operations have to be and how much less impressive it is for the bigger nation to defeat the weaker one.
They were always close to it backfiring with the secret getting out. From the very beginning of the show it was framed as a dangerous play with fire, not a fighting shounen powerup for the country.

Sophie’s backstory also never happened I guess, or the whole witches don’t get involved with real world politics shenanigans.
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>>2209569
>They built up their witch as the ultimate super weapon with propaganda and all that only worked in the favor of Germania since they only had to prove that their witch was more powerful than the other
That's the exact opposite of the problem you've been talking about. It's about the other countries realizing that Eylstadt might NOT be a potent threat.


>Sophie’s backstory also never happened I guess, or the whole witches don’t get involved with real world politics shenanigans.
Which are yet more examples of "could have been about developing the idea, but weren't". Sophie and Izetta were driven out by superstition and personal jealousy, not the disruption the existence of their powers causes.
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>>2209566
>and that being spread via German propaganda.
I'm not sure how that's relevant. Germania was always going to destroy Eylstadt and conquer the world with their armed forces and Sophias. When Fine cracked Izetta's casket it only changed that outcome in two ways:
>Delayed the invasion of Eylstadt
>Gave Izetta a chance to stop Eylstadt's destruction and Germania conquering the world.

Everything else would have played out the same. Germania would have added Izetta to their witch research, invaded Eylstadt, awoken Sophia with Izetta's blood, found the power stones, developed magitech nukes, destroyed Eylstadt to assure Sophia's loyalty, and then taken over the world with Sophia and Izetta clones.

Germanian propaganda isn't really changing any of this. Nuking Landsbruck would have provided all the propaganda they needed.
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>>2209572
It's relevant enough to have the photography explicitly shown and the propaganda talked about. Eylstady didn't lose support by being too strong, it lost it by being revealed as too weak.
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>>2209570
And what is superstition? Irrational fear of something powerful that you don’t understand. It’s okay if you want everything spelled out for you, but don’t pretend that’s somehow better storytelling. It’s not.
>It's about the other countries realizing that Eylstadt might NOT be a potent threat.
No, it’s about other countries (and their own soldiers) perceiving Germania as an even bigger threat. It’s about the morale.
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>>2209575
>And what is superstition? Irrational fear of something powerful that you don’t understand.
Or just irrational fear of something you don't understand period. The villagers thought she was evil and untrustworthy because of their beliefs, not that her power was disruptive. It's again something that could have been used to build up to that theme, but the theme itself never actually materialized.

>No, it’s about other countries (and their own soldiers) perceiving Germania as an even bigger threat. It’s about the morale
And what is the result of that? They don't gang up on Germany, they prepare to surrender. Everything that's happened so far has demonstrated the power of using weapons as threats and deterrents, not at all the negative side.
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>>2209579
If you don’t think that something is powerful, there’s no reason to fear it. If it’s actually powerful or not isn’t all too relevant.
>Everything that's happened so far has demonstrated the power of using weapons as threats and deterrents, not at all the negative side.
Except the part where Germania benefited from Eylstadts propaganda, except Sophie, the whole witches don’t do war and have to hide in caves and forests backstory, when people died to protect Izetta’s secret or just all the bad things that happened to Izetta herself when she could just be a normal kid without magic instead. Or heck, even Berckmann getting the boot because he might become a threat to the emperor, all thematically the same.

If you really think this anime never portrayed the negative side of having power, you’ve been watching this show with your brain turned off.
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>>2209584

>Except the part where Germania benefited from Eylstadts propaganda
By having even more impressive propaganda, not because their threat backfired against places they didn't intend to threaten. It's the exact opposite of the problem you present - not "weapons cause conflict", but "weapons are REALLY GOOD at ending conflict, and the bad guys now have an even bigger one so they'll win".

>except Sophie
Jealous queen, not power or weapons.

>the whole witches don’t do war and have to hide in caves and forests backstory
Which is presented as a tradition based on superstitious distrust and the White Witch legend. It's again something that could have been built up to tie together with a grander theme, but never was.

>when people died to protect Izetta’s secret or just all the bad things that happened to Izetta herself when she could just be a normal kid without magic instead
That's "with great power" morality. You're trying to write off standard cliches like fantasy racism off as being about power disrupting peace, and while that's a reasonable comparison for a story to make, this one never got round to actually developing it.

>Or heck, even Berckmann getting the boot because he might become a threat to the emperor
This is the only one that actually works, and it's not even about Izetta.
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>>2209592
>By having even more impressive propaganda
No, they hardly had any propaganda at all. Were you even watching the show?
>Jealous queen, not power or weapons.
Doesn’t matter who it was, her power and position backfired on her.
>Which is presented as a tradition based on superstitious distrust and the White Witch legend.
No it’s not. That tradition was already a thing during the times of the white witch. Watch the show.
>You're trying to write off standard cliches like fantasy racism off as being about power disrupting peace
No I’m not, I’m saying that having power has consistently been framed in a negative light. You were saying there has been no negative perspective "at all" and that that perspective that doesn’t exist is not "developed" enough, whatever that means.

What has been shown about power and weapons has been completely thematically consistent. Danger looming on the horizon because other countries are afraid of a new power is not something that requires extra explanations. It has been foreshadowed enough and fits perfectly with the themes of the show. No, a story does not need to explain every single detail of developments that already make sense without any explanation.
I hope you’re not watching Flip Flappers, you’d have an aneurysm.
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>>2209299
>naughtiest cliché
Nanoha did it first and it was amazing.
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Wait, wrong webm.
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>>2209601
>No, they hardly had any propaganda at all. Were you even watching the show?
They are using demonstrations of Sophie's power and the bomb to intimidate other countries in order to win.

>Doesn’t matter who it was, her power and position backfired on her.
Because of jealousy over a man. No effort is made to connect that to power making peace unstable.

>You were saying there has been no negative perspective "at all"
I said that the role of weapons as threats has been portrayed only as effective, and was only defeated when someone else was even better at making threats with them, not because those threats were ever double-edged.

>That tradition was already a thing during the times of the white witch. Watch the show.
I was describing the only explanation of the tradition, which referenced the witch.

>No, a story does not need to explain every single detail of developments that already make sense without any explanation.
It needs to show it actually being a problem, not simply suggest (to the audience alone) that it might eventually be, then fix it as a side effect before it actually does anything.

> that that perspective that doesn’t exist is not "developed" enough, whatever that means
There is a difference between dropping a line of foreshadowing about something and actually making that something play a role in the events of the story. Atlanta's concerns have only done the former.

>I hope you’re not watching Flip Flappers, you’d have an aneurysm.
Not in the slightest. Flip Flappers ties everything up extremely neatly and is careful to either avoid or deal with themes that conflict, it just tells them in metaphor. So long as you can read that, there are virtually no jumps of reasoning that must be made.
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>>2209594
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>>2209607
>They are using demonstrations of Sophie's power and the bomb to intimidate other countries in order to win.
Nothing about that has been shown so far. What has been shown is that they boasted about having defeated Izetta. They are using the legwork done by Eylstadt, they are placing themselves above powerful persona Izetta has. Something that building took up a significant amount of this show’s time so far and a rather cunning plan. Germania gets to skip all of that. Yes that counts as backfiring.

>No effort is made to connect that to power making peace unstable.
Her own peace is pretty unstable if she’s dead.

>It needs to show it actually being a problem, not simply suggest (to the audience alone) that it might eventually be

No it does not. A show does not need to stab a lot of people to show that a knife can be dangerous. You invalidate any and all scenes that don’t go through with their threat of whatever nature as long as the scene isn’t a repeat of an earlier one, so among others pretty much the entirety of good horror.

>there are virtually no jumps of reasoning that must be made
You are not complaining about jumps of reasoning, you are complaining about something that is thematically consistent but in your eyes lacking layers of argumentation that I find absolutely obvious. That’s something completely different.
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>>2209614
Doesn't work for what I want to do unfortunately, although I used WFR to make the two clips I needed.
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>>2209607
>I was describing the only explanation of the tradition, which referenced the witch.
And again, bullshit, watch the show.
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>>2209616
>Germania gets to skip all of that.
To what end? They can do the exact same thing either way, and the point it makes is still about how powerful that threat makes them, not how vulnerable.

>Her own peace is pretty unstable if she’s dead.
...Seriously?

>A show does not need to stab a lot of people to show that a knife can be dangerous.
No, but if its finale is about removing the threat that knives pose to the world, its plot should probably have shown off how terrible knives can be, not simply suggest that somebody might get stabbed and have nothing else come of it.

>You are not complaining about jumps of reasoning
Yes, I am. The show itself makes little effort actually tease out the connections you find so obvious and show them actually influencing the story - and especially, makes to attempt to do anything with the biggest problem of Izetta being a threat to non-hostile countries. Instead of introducing themes that lead up to the important plot element, tying all those themes together with its introduction into the story, then solving it, Izetta just leaves them hanging. Flip Flappers is much more careful not to have gaps or conflicts in the themes it builds.

>>2209619
The next lines of that scene is in episode 4, in which she justifies it with what happened to the White Witch.
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>>2209627
>They can do the exact same thing either way
Again, debatable. And the time frame is important too.
>No, but if its finale is about removing the threat that knives pose to the world, its plot should probably have shown off how terrible knives can be
But it did. Constantly. Just not in the way you want to. You are so hung up on your one specific case of "but Eylstadt dindu nuffin, why are they afraid" that you don’t acknowledge all the other ways this has been done, completely ignoring things like witches having had to hide for centuries if they didn’t want to get inquisitioned and all the other things I’ve already mentioned. The show is thematically consistent, you are mixing up themes and superficial plot elements. Izetta being a threat to non-hostile countries is a plot element and what you are complaining about. The themes around it are all fine and completely consistent. You are yelling at the clouds because the line between one plot element (Izetta is powerful) and the next (other countries don’t like that) isn’t clear enough to you. The themes you can extrapolate from that would be indeed weak if that was their only occurrence, but it’s not.

>The next lines of that scene is in episode 4, in which she justifies it with what happened to the White Witch.
No, she does not. The White Witch is a traitor BECAUSE she went against this tradition and even stole their stone, not the other way round. The White Witch herself is nothing but one example, not even a particularly important one, as evidenced by the fact that two episodes lie between those lines.
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>>2209642
>Izetta being a threat to non-hostile countries is a plot element and what you are complaining about
When? What happened involving it? It was mentioned, but has had no effect.
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>>2209645
And it needs none. It’s just a danger in the distance, and that’s fine. Just like a mountain climber who is afraid to fall to his death even if he didn’t see a random group fall to their death earlier just to demonstrate that yes, mountains can be dangerous.
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>>2209648
If something has no effect on the plot, it's hardly a plot element. The theme you see isn't woven into the events of the story, and if it's supposed to be the big motivation for the finale, there's no word for that but sloppy.

You're right to use real life as your analogy, because that's precisely the issue; it doesn't follow a strong thematic arc with foreshadowing developing into events developing into solutions, but scattershot ideas that conflict, such as the effects of the threat of weapons, and that aren't made whole as part of the story, just like what happens in unscripted real life.
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>>2209652
>and if it's supposed to be the big motivation for the finale
It’s not. It’s at best one of many. The immediately pressing one is to stop more magic nukes from happening.

To follow the analogy, our mountain climber might be chased by a serial murderer, that’s why he wants to get off the mountain, that just so happens to also remove the danger of falling to his death. There is nothing sloppy about that if this mountain climbing thriller just teases once or twice that he might fall without ever going into detail about what falling down actually means.
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Domestic violence? In MY WWII fantasy story?
Its more likely than you think.

(And since its 1940 the term doesn't even exist yet, "husbands" were allowed and even expected to do this in certain situations then- it does bring up the question of who is wearing the "pants" in this pair)
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>>2209654
>The immediately pressing one is to stop more magic nukes from happening.
Which still leaves the Atlantan thread hanging, solved before it ever actually does anything and conflicting thematically with what happens when the threat of power actually did impact events. In a word, sloppy.

>There is nothing sloppy about that if this mountain climbing thriller just teases once or twice that he might fall without ever going into detail about what falling down actually means.

No, but there is when you substitute falling for complex sociopolitical fallout of nuclear arms possession. And even falling I doubt would work very well as an important concept, if the denouement hinged around the fear of falling or something similar, and yet no cliffs or dangerous climbs were involved in the story and the closest it came was someone in another location saying "I hope that guy doesn't fall" at the end of one episode.

But really, if we've both come down to arguing over overextended analogies, I think it's time to leave it at that.
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>>2209656
I choose to blame Yoshino. And jap culture in general since it happens so often.
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>>2209656
You know it's still widely considered appropriate for women to slap people, with a variety of possible justifications?
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>>2209666
Not like Fine isn't actually able to slap Izetta back. As long as these things don't develop into abuse it shouldn't be a problem. Not that there aren't better ways to go about venting other than violence though. But in a more positive light, Izetta realised that she could've handled it better and be more careful in the future, being the good-natured person that she is. We ought only to be concerned if this happens repeatedly, in a cycle.
Also, it's more dramatic. Let's face the fact that we're watching a show, and an alternative where Izetta scolds her instead ('oh noes emotional domestic violence') or having Izetta pinching Fine's cheeks would be kind of watering the impact down.
But honestly what I'd like to have happened instead is Fine slapping her back, and then both of them making up and making out there and then.
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>>2209721
You're actually behind the times. Last time a 15-year old girl tried to slap a greasy old man, who was poking her chest with a sheaf of paper, she got instantly pepper-sprayed.

She even admitted she was wrong for striking out at him (failed to actually connect). Although personally I think he should have done time for sexual assault of a minor.
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>>2209739
>eyes open
As expected of Fine
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>magic dissapears, threat doesn't exist anymore
Do remember that this is not!America. They'll send in the Marines just to be sure.

I say that Izetta manages to destroy the clones and when Atlanta invades she takes the nuke and vaporizes not!Washington. Atlanta surrenders and withdraws from not!Europe. Izetta is declared dead.
Meanwhile, a certain redhead with big tits is on a boat, making her way to Eylstadt...

Also, who's says Atlanta doesn't have a secret Witch of their own? Or can't kidnap a few Germanian scientists (as it happened IRL) or even a few Sophie clones to MAKE a Witch of their own?
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The broomstick scene will now forever go down in Yuri history.
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>>2209827
Now I look at it, that could use some improvement.
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When will NotJapan send their witch?
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>>2209538
>Atlanta's threat
Red herring. Not!yanks had only an idiot ambassador advising doing that utterly stupid thing, not them ACTUALLY doing that stupid thing.
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>>2197964
Of course it wouldn't happen. The show just put her in sexually compromising shots for male boners. If they really went that far, the show would be a lot darker from Episode 1 onwards.
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>>2209795
>>2209745
>>2209742
>>2209739
I swear, if the show cops out of a concrete romantic conclusion(or one of them dies for the sake of drama), I will flip my shit lid.
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>>2209864
They might allow for Season 2.
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>>2209656
>>2209666
You should be glad Tomino isn't responsible for this. The old man sure hates people's cheeks. Izetta would have bitchslapped Finé straight across a room. Then Bianca would have slapped Izetta, then Sieg would have slapped Bianca and then Finé would have gotten up and slapped him, then...
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>>2209404
Me again.

After the past 30 or so times (I've admittedly slowed down a bit) that I've watched this scene, I can't help but wonder, what's going through Izetta's mind as she's saying Fine's name?

She was so apprehensive to say it at first, but then seems so happy, as if she's always wanted to call Fine by her name. I wonder if that's an accurate assessment of how she's feeling. I can probably think of a few more interpretations.

Or maybe I shouldn't. Sorry. I think I might be sounding a little yuri-crazed right about now.
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>>2209960
Personal assessment:
If this was a western property, she would have kept saying"Finé!" joyfully, each time increasing in volume and passion.
The camera pans up while this is going on.
Smashcut to them making love on the mountainside and Izetta throatily yelling "FIIIIIINE!" one last time.
Fine looks up at her from between her thighs and smiles.
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>>2209964
>Smashcut to them making love on the mountainside
I was able to see this vividly and am a little angry about that.
Damn you, western entertainment and your overused directional choices.
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>>2209960
Slapping Fine cured her of her hime-sama worship problem. It's dawning on her that she has in fact had a girlfriend for several episodes and a lot of things in her life are suddenly making more sense now.
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>>2209960
something like
>I love her so much
>This amazing girl really loves me?
>It's like magic... oh wait.
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>>2209387
>if there was the producers would have thrown it in our faces.
After seeing the popularity of YOI's obscured kiss I think the opposite is true.
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>>2209959
That sounds pretty awesome, nee-san.
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>>2209959
>>2210032
In fact... the more I think about it, the more awesome it actually sounds. I would've loved to have seen that actually done.
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Done:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4op_44Dn-U
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>>2210063
I'm crying...Izetta is going to be a Yuri symbol now.
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>>2210063
That really cute really really cu
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>>2210034
Well, you should get acquainted with older mecha anime.
Especially Zeta Gundam. There are sections of that show in which people seem to communicate exclusively via slap-to-face.

Also it has Emma Sheen, the MC's surrogate big sis, who has a girlfriend back on earth and is trying to fend off the advances of a big oafish guy, without breaking his heart. A subtle kind of /u/.
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>>2208962
I'd go as far as to say that this was one of the best and most important moments of the show, because it marks a very clear bit of character transition in both Izetta and Finé.
It's not like they had especially intricate arcs, but it's nice to see that Finé was able to build up Izetta's confidence and resolve to a point where she can straight forward pull her out of her own slump with such ease.

Also it was pretty hard looking at Finé so dejected. I was glad that she didn't have that attitude for the entire episode.
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>>2210152
Agreed.
I also really liked how absolutely hopeless she seemed at the beginning of the episode. Especially when the raid on the bunker began. Gunshots and explosions ring out, and all we get from her is little more than a raise of her eyebrows. As if it were a knock at the door.

It really showed that she'd already mostly given up, and made her behavior in the scene where Izetta had to slap her to her senses not seem like it came out of nowhere.
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>>2210063
Fantastic work Onee-sama
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>>2210159
Normal Fine would have used her own life to protect her friends when the SS threatened to burn them.

I still hate the cliche that you can punch/slap some sense in to someone who has broken down like that. That's not how it works in real life.
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>>2210034
>>2209959
>>2210032
You are all so trashy..
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>>2210228
>real life
I thought we were watching this for archdykes and lesbo witches, not real life.
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>>2210242
Dykes and lesbos are the only things that are real to me.
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>>2209436
>yuri-powered trump card
Izetta learned Lesbomancy!
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>>2210250
The most powerful magic of all. That is why her survival is now guaranteed.
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>>2209959
God bless you Tomino senpai.
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I loved this part. Izetta's lips were trembling while saying Finé's name.
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>>2210568
fine was so damn suave
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>>2210122
>Also it has Emma Sheen, the MC's surrogate big sis, who has a girlfriend back on earth and is trying to fend off the advances of a big oafish guy, without breaking his heart. A subtle kind of /u/.

Wait, What?!
What kind of self imposed, delusional fan-fic is this?
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>>2210752
She literally says that she met Amuro Ray on earth in the past, with her girlfriend.
People have been discussing ever since if she meant girlfriend or... girlfriend!
Have you been living under a rock?
There's also the fact that she wasn't receptive to Henker's advances at all. Or had any relationship drama on a show that is rife with relationship drama.

Also not to stereotype, but Emma acts pretty damn butch.

Also Tomino enjoys subtle hints at yuri.
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>>2210759
Using that scene which involves a girl who was lusting so hard for some guy's dick that had a breakdown after his death, doesn't really helps your case.
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>>2210063
Put this in the OP of the new thread.
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any one notice Bianca turned /het/ out of no where when she shot the with brown hair and actually liked him.and in the beginning of the anime i could have sworn she had a thing for archedyke
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>>2210953
No. That was just you.
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>>2210759
>There's also the fact that she wasn't receptive to Henker's advances at all. Or had any relationship drama on a show that is rife with relationship drama.

Really? You are going to say that in lue of the fact that she was more than likely rebuffing the man since he comes on rather strongly?
It not that she had a girlfriend (infact she never mentions anything in that regard), it's the simply fact that mega-fanboi Henken Bekkener can simply be too much for anyone when he is signing her praises. It's something that the entire crew of the Radish try not to invoke.

I will repeat. What kind of self imposed, delusional fan-fic is this?

>>2210953
>Bianca
You know, I really didn't get why they try to tie her to Rickert so quickly. I would have preferred two more episodes of theire antics, if only to let a chemistry form more solidly and give the ending more impact.
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>>2209783
that's kinda badass
we might get chesty puller fighing izetta the lesb witch
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I suspect Izetta is going to swipe the other half of the stone from Sophie.
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>>2211048
And then she'll drain the entire world of magic, using it all to bomb Germania's warmachine back in to the stoneage.
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>>2210953
>Bianca turned /het/
SHe was just Bi-anca, Anon. It's in her very name.
Inb4 denial. Say what you want, it's the series' authors the ones going for that stupid joke, not us.
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If things go well, I get the impression that Bianca is going to shack up with the maid.
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>>2211447
!?
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>>2211447
>I get the impression that Bianca is going to shack up with the maid.
I don't think we'll get any confirmation between the two, but maybe a cute scene that looks good with the goggles calibrated right.

It is a nice dynamic, though.
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>>2209530
Izetta boobs are really big, aren't they?
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>>2211521
Yep.
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>>2211521
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>>2211521
she's a Big Girl
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>>2211521
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