Revolutionary Girl Utena

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Bonus Doujinshi!

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uh and a pic of me in utena cosplay being a perv at a convention
I am gonna regret this eventually but this pic is already on the internet so whatever

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also here is this dumb anthy pic too

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well this is all from me tonight! will post more when my collection grows

>>2148267
source?

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>>2148274
Pls be troll.

90s yuri treasure? Am I behind on the yuri scene because I thought this was one of the most well-known yuri related works.

>>2148274
Not the worst cosplay I've ever seen.

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Does anyone have the whole/original image without the text? I've searched it without any results.

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>>2149245
>Juri

Now we're talking.

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I love this series, but I hate Shiori.

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Gyay Jutena!

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Gyay mohr!

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Canon!

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Platonic!

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Heeheehee

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>>2149665
Shiori can be a bitch, but she's closeted (rewatch her FUKAKU. MOTTO FUKAKU scene) and lashing out in addition to not being chosen. I can't bring myself to hate her, especially since her need to surpass people lets her turn into a car too. She almost makes it out of Ohtori; almost escapes - but she can't, because she can't let other people succeed and sabotages herself.

yes, this is a parallel to Anthy's inability to escape because of the person she loves; but where Juri loves Shiori and can't bring herself to express her love, Akio's feelings toward Anthy are as complicated as her feelings for him.

>>2148212
quality thread

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>>2154393
Yeah Shiori is a big mess but that's also what makes her character interesting.

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>>2154393
The part of her therapy session where she becomes mad at Juri for falling in love with someone worthless like her is one of the highlights of the show. Poor self-sabotaging crazy girl.

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>>2154497

I've seen shiori discussed on /a/, /co/, and /lit/, but /u/ is the only board that gets her. good taste

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Well, really, one of the big themes of the show is placing one's desires before their duties. Pretty much every character in the show does this (some noticeably more than others), and because this is a HUGE no-no in Japanese culture, we see almost exclusively negative consequences for them all.

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Utena's story is mainly a very warped, tragic fairy tale--not just for her, mind, although she does seem to get the brunt of it by the end (OR DOES SHE?!?!?). She begins said tragedy by trying to defend a friend of hers--which is virtuous, but that only accentuates the tragedy. She gets thrown into a very sordid place by doing good.

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Fun fact: originally they were going to duel with guns.

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I think this is from a game, though for the life of me I couldn't say which one. Still!

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Palette swap!

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>>2156605
Well there's only one Utena game, a dating-sim on Sega Saturn.

>>2148212
>yuri treasure
Utena is on the scale of Evangelion and Bebop, anon. It is known as an quintessential anime of the 90s and was consider the top five anime.

>>2156605
The video game has been translated, anon. Search the name on Google and you'll get results.

Never underestimate Utenafags.

>>2157095
I went and watched the opening of the Utena videogame out of curiosity... did Akio seriously say 'Sega'?

It was so... wow. I don't really have the words to describe how odd the game opening was.

>>2160061
hahaha What The FUck was that
i thought ikuni could no longer surprise me
i was wrong

>>2160098
We're talking about a man who inspired the character Kaoru of Evangelion for being uber weird to Anno during conversations at a public bath.
Who got into arguments with the Sailormoon mangaka for making all the sailorscouts ubergay and then getting fired for it.

If there are other things this man has done that seems weird, I would not be surprised.

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>>2160155
>being uber weird to Anno during conversations at a public bath.
>Who got into arguments with the Sailormoon mangaka for making all the sailorscouts ubergay
I need to hear more.

>>2160173
FABULOUS matches between Toei executives and him over creative control. But Ikuni being even IKUNI FABULOUS to try and convince the suits to let him do his thing. Toei executives being less than FABULOUS and more dour to try and remind Ikuni that he's commercially unsaleable if they just him do his thing.

End result Toei was to refuse ever working with him ever again. Ikuni decides, 'I can be weird and commercially viable' and goes on to create Utena with the Be-Papas.

>>2160239
Also his tendencies of letting yuri taking over everything. Seriously, if he didn't have collaborators/HANDLERS with him, his anime would just be about lesbians.

Or the anime which doesn't have lesbians in it, would have lesbians for REASONS and they would take over the show despite not being the main characters or genre of the anime.

This is why penguindrum wasn't too bad, he had someone holding the choke leash to bring him into line. Without it, you get something like YuriKuma...

>>2160239
Is there a source for that? I mean, it's exactly what I've assumed happened behind the scenes since I first saw SuperS, but it would be nice to see confirmation.

>>2160246
Yuri Kuma was utterly self-indulgent, but I liked it a lot.

>>2160253
Don't have a source, sorry. It's just what I heard on the grapevine. Ikuni was totally raring to go to make Sailormoon movie that focused exclusively on Sailor Neptune and Sailor Uranus...
In other words, not a Sailormoon film.

Attempts by Toei to remind him that it's not a Sailormoon film without Sailormoon in it as a main character was not something they were going to allow did not go over too well. But Ikuni's didn't even attempt to please Toei and outright refused to even think of a plot for Sailormoon to get involved in ( not even as a side plot). This only got them super mad as it was clear that he was obsessed with his pet lesbians.

Therefore, Toei refused his idea and refused to work with him. You might not remember, but Sailormoon SuperS was controversial in Japan. The dark themes, the transexual Fisheye, the creepy circus, etc etc got lots of complaints from parents. Ikuni's stubborn desire to have complete creative control over the movie on his lesbians apparently offended the hell out of Toei. The company, Toei, after having to defend Sailormoon SuperS and summoning their intestinal fortitude to green-light the production of his darker themes despite it being unprecedented to animate for a children's show, the guy just up and went 'nuh uh, lesbians only, full feature movie, final destination'.

>>2160268
See Ikuni would've got the greenlight if he also said no items.

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>>2160268
I always assumed SuperS was Ikuhara's revenge on some executive who wanted a more kid-friendly season with no Haruka and Michiru and a focus on Chibi-Usa. Hence the rape imagery of the dream mirrors, the gay victim of the week with a boyfriend, Fish-Eye as you mentioned, Ami and Makoto dancing together, that one scene where Rei and Usagi start holding each other when it makes no sense in context and Usagi and Chibi-Usa's transformation scene that looks kind of incestuous.

>>2160253
YKA anime was awful, the manga is good though. (Thanks Morishima)

>>2160268

This man sounds amazing. His obsessive pettiness has crossed a line into something resembling glory.

>>2171395
Actually meeting the guy is an experience unto itself. I once went to see him at some weird Tokyo theater play in Golden Gai. The play was some sort of satire of Takarazuka that was created during the 60s by an avant-garde playwright. I went because I thought I read his name on a poster as some sort of guest performer or something... Needless to say, being 14, I didn't tell my parents where I was going off to at 8 pm in the evening. I was in Tokyo for vacation with family, and had been given permission to go walk around Tokyo. I was supposed to stay near Tokyo Disneyland but I never liked disney. I used some cash on me to get to Kabukicho.

I paid 1500 yen to go into this dingy underground bar/play stage. And lo, there he was dressed in a women's corset, frilly skirt (I think it's from Sailormoon?), high boots and carrying a bouquet of roses. He wasn't even in the goddamn play, he was there to watch it and do some sort of running commentary as it performed.

I was the youngest one there, I got a lot of attention because I was not only a young girl but I was dressed Canadian Maritime style. (jeans and flannel plaid shirt with a pink coat that's made for a Canadian autumn not Tokyo autumn, not very fashionable, you could sense the tourist in me). Stood out like a sore thumb. Luckily, being taller than the average Japanese (yeah for being 5'7"!) no one thought to question my age.

I knew he was weird, but actually experiencing his weirdness is another. I failed to get an autograph because of my limited Japanese and the play was apparently some sort of audience participation play thing. I was given a piece paper with words on it, I could only read a few lines but the ones I could read were nonsensical. The rest had kanji I had never seen before but formed words that I knew instinctively were not made for kids because they had a number of kanji elements that had 'evil' or 'atrocious' in it.

>>2174601
In any case, I had been given the part of a fan who was supposed to fawn over the actress who was playing some sort of narcissistic, murderous Takarazuka otokoyaku who was harvesting the 'blood'? Tears? Damned if I know what it was, to attain youth or something like it.

I couldn't understand a damn thing, people stared at me waiting for me to perform. I struggled to explain that I wasn't actually here for the play and could barely speak/read Japanese but to see Ikuhara. But they declared they wouldn't let me off until I participated in the play in a concrete manner... being an idiot, and because I thought it would be entertaining, I ate the paper with my lines as my 'act'. Much to my surprise, they rolled with it goodnaturedly, Ikuhara seemed particularly pleased because he didn't expect some kid from Canada to come to this weirdo play and eat the script.

>>2174601
When was this, and might the playwright have been Shuuji Terayama?

>>2174638
I wish I knew enough Japanese back then to tell you. This was in 1999. I was 14. Apparently, Tokyo has a really vibrant fringe theater scene. Groups form and fold like a cheap whore, some put new performances or get together to do play previous plays they liked but no one has seen in awhile.

What got my attention was the poster. It had an aged looking woman playing the villainess. She had wrinkles and was clearly outside the typical age range of a Takarazuka actress but she was wearing the stereotypical takarazuka sequined suit that otokoyaku played. It was so weird, because I was used to seeing the glitzy and prettied up official posters for Takarazuka plays. The contrast was interesting, and below I could read the katakana for Utena and Ikuhara's name.

I noted the time and location on a pieces of paper very carefully by copying the Japanese kanji characters.

Finding the theatre was a serious pain in the ass. When I asked for directions at convenience stores, they brought out laminated maps the neighbourhood with each building clearly marked with numbers and Japanese kanji characters.

>>2160246
>Without it, you get something like YuriKuma...
Which wasn't bad at all.

A bit too full, and perhaps too open about its symbolism and imagery? Sure.

But bad? No.

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>>2174720
Did you ever try to track the play down? If it wasn't by Terayama, it was almost certainly by someone in his circle. I know Ikuhara's a big fan, to the point of recruiting his old composer to do the songs for Utena.

Anyway, that story's by far the best thing I've ever read on 4chan. Thank you for sharing.

>>2174901
Never did. It was actually a pretty disturbing play. The end was nightmare fuelish. The villainess wore this creepy mask of 'beauty' (wide eyes but reflective black, jagged red lipstick smile) and some sort of song and dance routine played. It sounded like some distorted Takarazuka song but the lyrics were definitely on the emptiness of life and worthlessness of true feelings. Something about praising material goods over love. In any case, I didn't read the title of the play or who made it. And even if I did, I might not have been able to read it. It might have been a new production for all I know.

>>2174603
honestly I absolutely believe 100% that ikuhara would do something like this and then be pleased by by some canadian 14 y/o eating the paper as part of it. takarazuka metacommentary seems very very ikuni. if this was an episode of penguindrum or something where ringo ate the script I would not be surprised.

that was a great story, and I hope if you ever meet him again he remembers you.

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>>2174720
This is both fascinating and yet entirely believable. Treasure this memory, nee-san

I liked Utena, but I'm not a huge fan of everything else.

So I went and watched a 'Let's play' Utena videogame.

Turns out my suspicions about everyone knowing about Juri being in a transparent closet was fairly spot on. Even Nanami suspected or heard rumors. Almost everyone suspects her crush is in the locket she obsesses about.

>>2184793
Ah, here's the relevant section
Nanami:
VD18E002 = "My, if it isn't Juri.\nStanding up for this girl? That's\nunlike you."
VD18E003 = "Or could it be that those rumors\nare true?"
VD18E004 = "That you're a lesbian with no\ninterest in boys..."

In the game, you have pretty much pursue Juri singlemindedly and make sure to pursue noble options with Utena to keep yourself noble.
In addition, you must take every opportunity to fence against Juri and get back Juri's locket from Chigusa in the game to max it out and see the Juri specific ending.

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>>2184801
Neat. I always liked Juri best.

>>2160295
I hate "kid-friendly", because it's never because of the children.