/tpg/ - Twin Peaks General

Season 3 was a mistake. Should've left it alone.

>>87338809
You'll see....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYOXAhd-HQQ

We are the music makers,
And we are the dreamers of dreams,
Wandering by lone sea-breakers,
And sitting by desolate streams;—
World-losers and world-forsakers,
On whom the pale moon gleams:
Yet we are the movers and shakers
Of the world for ever, it seems.

You will never watch a show on television again that has created more controversy, anger, laughter and sadness than this show has created.

>>87338809
First!

>>87338809
>inb4 people say Coop saved Laura and that it was a happy ending

I'm beginning to think that maybe Lynch really did rape his daughter.

>>87338038
She wakes up back in 1989 the morning she was supposed to be found dead, but in her room sound asleep. But since the actors are old as shit now, they can't really show it, so it's implied by the old sound of Sarah calling Laura's name on that day in the pilot. They didn't show her body wrapped in plastic fade out of existence and Pete going fishing for no reason. Cooper won, it just seems bleak.

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He was right all along, /tpg/. We should have listened.

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It just struck me about the ending
Lynch is all about the experience, the journey and what you feel regarding something
The ending effectively erases everything, leaving you with only the journey and experience you had up until that point since everything after is nonexistent

>>87338888
It was a melancholy ending. Coop does save Laura but his fate is left ambiguous.

>>87338867
This show.
No joke.
Fucked my shit up yesterday.
I got lynched. A positive lynching.
But i am still fucked up today.

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I want to give Sheryl lots and lots of beautiful babies!

When Cooper told those rednecks to leave the waitress alone, did anyone else think of the scene where Jeffrey in Blue Velvet yells at Frank to leave Dorthy alone?

>>87338930
Me too man, I couldn't sleep last night.

>People think Coop won or that this was a good end

Jesus, he looks utterly bewildered in the final scene. The double face part is when he realizes shit went wrong and then he is just stuck going through the motions. Chaos loop.

>>87338894
>Cooper won
Did he though?
Or does Laura just wake up to continue the nightmare of her life being raped by Leland/Bob?

someone explain the ending?

We live for just these twenty years
Do we have to die for the fifty more?

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>>87338951
Hugs, not fugs!

>>87338961
Bob was destroyed by the green glove.

>>87338960
The double face part is him transcending reality.

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He didn't deserve this ;_;

>>87338960
He still did the right thing even if he didn't understand it.

>>87338809
>>87338836
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTPTvZbkGUs

>>87338894
The fact that she lets out a bloodcurdling scream and the lights violently explode makes me think otherwise though. Coupled with Cooper's confusion and the melancholic reshowing of her whispering to Cooper in the credits, I really think people are misinterpreting it.

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Nearly everything has already been answered and all the general is now is the same people asking the same questions over and over even though they have already been answered. Extremely condensed answers follow;

>Cooper and Carrie Page are in 2017 (multiple confirmation from screenshots, such as gas prices, town population)
>Carrie is a completely different person who has lived a completely different life
>Audrey is in a coma. Every Audrey scene takes place inside her own mind
>Annie was murdered by Dopplecoop after he raped Audrey and burned down Briggs office
>Sarah Palmer is possessed by Jow-Daeh, she always has been since she was a child
>The girl in episode eight is young Sarah Palmer
>The two people driving the car at night are Richard and Linda, not Dale and Diane
>When Linda sees the vision of Diane at the motel that is Diane and Coop starting to enter their world. After this Richard and Linda have sex, then Coop wakes up in the other hotel
>Jow-Daeh stabs the picture in fury because Cooper helped Laura escape her death
>Cooper travels to the lodge, then to the real world 1988, then back to the lodge to rescue the real Diane, then to the new reality that rescuing Laura created
>Mike was never good, and the lodge spirits have always been advancing their own plans involving Laura, not helping Cooper
>Carrie screams at the end because she is experiencing memories crossing over from Laura's reality

For expanded versions of these answers and more simply watch the show. It's all on the screen.

>>87338957
Yeah. I was really bothered. Not in a (the ending was shit way)...it was just the most unnerving thing i have ever seen.

What I don't get is why did they cut to the lodge after Laura disappears and screams? Why did Cooper return there? How did he get back there? It just doesn't make sense.

>>87338960
Why did seeing Naido trigger him so hard?

>>87339000
Yes he did, fuck Cooper
He should have left Laura alone, every time he tries to save her he makes things worse for her

Coop saved Laura. She woke up, but screamed because of the pre-existing trauma of being possessed by Bob returned. Since Bob is dead, she will have a chance to repeat her life again.

Maybe Coop is fucked though. I mean, Jeffries got turned into an eternal kettle and he dindu nuffin

Look David you can't just un-murder someone like that

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>>87338894
>cooper won

Stop shilling this

>>87339053
It was just a lot to process all at once, definitely the finest Lynching I've experienced to date.

>>87338915

I can see that

>>87339067
he has no purpose without laura
it had to end this way

the road to hell is paved with good intentions

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I had a dream last night where I was suspected of having killed Laura Palmer so I was dragged into a basement and threatened despite insisting on being innocent since she wasn't killed but they kept going anyway and tied me to a chair, Just before they could inject me with something, Andy/Coop/my dad as in one person but it seemed like it was all three of them in one burst into the room, kill or otherwise neutralise my captors and then we start talking about something and I wake up
I may or may not also have been Cooper in my dream

It's the journey not the destination, etc.

>>87339010
this. the atmosphere and end credits were far too bleak. i don't know why people are seeing anything but a hopeless ending.

>>87338930
Same. Not only did it take me hours to fall asleep because I kept seeing Sheryl Lee screaming and hearing it, but today I couldn't focus on my uni work at all, thank god it was a holiday at least

>>87338895
I could never trust a man who willingly riced himself.

Realizing Dale failed (or however you want to interpret it) as he kept asking questions to the owner was brutal

>>87338915
Or he's never been good at endings, it why all he does ends nearly the same.

>>87339096
>got a light

>>87339067
Saving Laura was the Fireman's plan, not Cooper's.

>>87339038
Some of that is right but some of it is wrong.

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>>87338970
But I want to give Sheryl loving respectful procreation to further her genetic line with beautiful children for her to care for, not fug her!

>>87338894
If we take this interpretation to be true, does that mean one punch Chav punching BOB in the future retroactively makes Leland in the past un-possessed? Or does Cooper breaking time and saving Laura from her murder only end with her having to live with her father plus the rapist spirit that resides in him?

>>87339068
To be fair we don't know how much Philip fucked around with reality before meeting his fate

He could very well have tried to do something like what Cooper did, repeatedly until it broke him

>>87339065
Naido was evil. Probably in cahoots with Judy/evil entity.

She fucked coopers shit up.

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>>87338809
True Ending has been found
Vedderfriends never lie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6YaWWnJXBY

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>>87339067
He only wanted to help :(

>>87339135
>When you realize you broke time and sent yourself into an alternate reality where everything you know is false

>>87339067
This, and its not even anything new. Even in FWWM he tried to fuck her life up (with good intentions) by telling her not to take the ring

>>87339064
Can someone please explain this to me? I don't get it.

>>87339064
Well, if he changed reality by preventing her death, wouldn't he no longer exist in that reality? Maybe he ended up back in the lodge because he still ends up in the lodge even though he prevents Laura's death. He'd of still handled the Teresa Bank's murder.

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>>87339164
But you will need to penis in vagina to make said procreation happen and penis in vagina is to fug

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Do you agree?

Personally, I think it may be. This was the first "TV show" to be pure art. I've never seen anything like it.

So what the fuck happened to Audrey? Given how the series ended, why bother having her scenes in the show in the first place?

>>87339164
Would you smell the old dust coming out her ass?

White women age like shit.

I still get fucking chills thinking about that ending

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>>87339135
it hurt so much. why does lynch hate this character so much?

Is there anybody that came out of this without their existence being revealed as horrible, empty or futile?

Coop is a cosmic level fuckup, all your waifus are terrible people or trainwrecks, others are either sick or dead.

The only victor is entropy.

>>87339202
But why is it the same scene as before?

>>87338986
In the reality where Laura died.
But what about the reality where she doesn't die?

>>87339065
I think she's a link of sorts. Cooper face stays there superimposed and then says "We live inside a dream". Same line that Jeffries says in FWWM

>>87339212

>I've never seen anything like it.

I feel the same, and yet the most amazing thing is that this is exactly how most people felt seeing the original run 25 years ago (especially the S2 finale - which feels almost quaint in its Red Room weirdness now). Lynch truly did it.

>>87339135
I'd like to hear how the people who think he saved Laura and woke her up interpret that

The only argument I've seen is "it was lodge spirits trying to trick him" which is fucking stupid because you could use that as an answer to anything

>>87339119
There's about a 40% chance your dream is canon.

>>87338894
She disappears from Cooper after they show it. I think it seemed to imply that Cooper wasn't actually able to save her.

When Cooper exits the Lodge and finds Diane, he seems somewhat happy and excited rather than someone on a mission. His dialogue about crossing over and such seems to imply that they're going to have a new life, rather than just trying to save Laura (why would he even bring Diane along?)

Once he leaves the hotel room in the morning he just seems all kind of fucked up. He's acting more like the doppelganger and doing weird shit like putting guns in deep fryers.

>>87339251
Bob's destroyed for good in every single reality.

I just put together that "Richard" and "Linda" are the names the Fireman said in episode 1.

>>87339038
>Cooper and Carrie Page are in 2017 (multiple confirmation from screenshots, such as gas prices, town population)
Wrong. It was filmed a couple years ago.
>Audrey is in a coma. Every Audrey scene takes place inside her own mind
Pure speculation.
>Annie was murdered by Dopplecoop after he raped Audrey and burned down Briggs office
Pure speculation.

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>>87339222
THIS someone please explain

>>87339174
holy shit confirmed it has ben friendly reminder that life gets back never Cooper It has been confirmed that

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>>87339135
Not to mention Carrie's face darkening as she realizes this guy is totally wrong about everything

That scene crushed me as much as the scream did

>>87339259
Their names are Chalfont and Tremond, they are clearly lodge spirits trying to confuse him.

>>87339222
>>87339291
This is our best proof there will be a season 4 or movie.

>>87339245
Time isn't linear/very awkward in the lodge. Some moments seem to happen simultaneously, like the Dougie tulpa and Diane tulpa being told they were manufactured.

>>87339270
I'm just wondering what did my subconscious mind mean by it?
Is it another Lodge vision?

Why do so many people skip over the fact Cooper just randomly returns to the lodge and then leaves again but he was already out of the lodge? Why do people ignore the fact that Diane was there but how would she know to be there?

>>87339010
You see what you want to see. This shit is so open to interpretation it's not funny. I'm in the camp that Cooper saved laura. He followed the clues left by the giant in episode one and although it was unsetteling to see, to me all that happened was lauras scream snapped her out of that reality and it winks out. the end.

>>87339315
no. evidence that lynch doesn't give a fuck

>People really think this was setting up a season four

Lynch is done. This is finished. Mark's book might tidy up some of the loose ends.

It's clear Lynch has no intentions of catering to people who want all the answers.

>>87339296
She's slowly realizing who she is again, I don't see how people are interpreting this ending as bleak and sad.

>>87339211
She's still a woman who deserves to be loved anon

>>87339331
too used to reused scenes by that point

>>87339229
That's not nice anon, she has a blood disease.

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wew

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>>87339289
>Wrong. It was filmed a couple years ago

>It's impossible to film something that takes place in the future

>>87339329
It means YOU ARE the dreamer. Dream a dream of kindness. Dream us a happy ending.

>>87339211
WHEN THE FUCK IS THAT MOVIE GETTING A GENERAL RELEASE

I WANT MORE SHERYLKINO REEEEEE

>>87339222
My guess was that audrey died in the explosion. Got stuck in some other twin peaks dimension. Probably where coop and laura are. Audrey awoke and realized she was herself not...whoever she was before. Billy, chuck, Charlie are from that alt world.

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>>87339331

https://youtu.be/Jlvy9Hib7Ww
like my video frenlos

Who is to say Leland was possessed by Bob when he raped Laura? I was discussing with a friend and we speculated that Bob was a mental projection so that Laura could pretend this monster was raping her and not her dad. She projected him into existence

Also explains why Bob haunted Sarah. Letting her know a monster still lived in her house

>>87339366
I don't care what anyone else says the bad CGI gives the show an extra spookyness. This shit kind of creeped me out when I saw it.

>>87339366
why would his hat move like that

>>87339278
How do you know?

>>87339331
he told diane before he went into the room that he would see her at the curtain call.

>>87339239
>why does lynch hate this character so much?
Because Cooper is Reddit personified and Lynch is /ourguy/, hence 13 episodes of Dougie. Hell if Dougie had been the one trying to save Laura he probably would have succeeded.

>>87339311
Yes I know the names

And the argument you gave is literally the one I just repeated

can we agree the palmers are the most fucked up family in the history of film

>>87338915
So basically lynch was trying to make everyone feel empty inside?

>>87339241
Ed and Norma are the only winners this season.

>>87339212
I don't like it, I think it's an insult to people who were fans of the original show's characters.

But I agree. It was pure art in the same way people paint a picture with shit.

I think Lynch might be the only person in the world who can take a television show, and turn it into a painting that people look at in a museum and try to understand what it means. Except the painting is your TV and you're discussing it's meaning on the internet instead of with the person next to you. Television might just be motion picture books, but Lynch makes motion picture paintings. There is no way he sees the world the same way you or I do.

>>87339366
why did this happen? It couldn't have been a bullet, right? Was it just Lynch fuckery?

>>87339410
>>87339393
Didn't he say that to Cole too? I guess it could be code. But regardless if he changed reality how could she even remember that? Wouldn't everything have never happened?

I am so torn between whether that was good or bad ending.

Good things:

>Coop went exactly to where the Giant told him, right down to the address, and even gave him the clue "Richard and Linda" to let him know when he read that note after Diane sexy times that he was in the right reality.

>Laura's screaming means she remembers who she is

Bad things:

>Obviously Coop and Laura look upset as if what is happening isn't good

>the electricity spike from the house means Judy might be about to tear Laura from this reality again (and erasing Coop or at the very least making him have to save her again)

> Coop can't open the black lodge curtains like he wants to.

I don't understand why Coop is confused as to what year it is though. What significance does that have? Coop seems more defeated than he ought to be given the giant told him this would all happen.

I think after writing this post up that I'll believe that Laura woke up to the day after she was murdered and in doing so defeats Judy exactly the way the fireman wanted. I just don't know what that means for Coop. It makes the most sense that he just goes full Jeffries now.

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>>87339354
You're right
Just don't post too lewdly about it, which you aren't at the moment anyway, and we all win

>>87339352
>I don't see how people are interpreting this ending as bleak and sad
Oh, gee, I duuno, maybe because it ends with a guy freaking out and a woman screaming

>>87339392
If Audrey died how did she birth Richard via doppel-Cooper.

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oh thank god. This should clear up all confusion

>>87339259
Dale is trapped nowhere, like Phillip Jeffries, because Laura's dream ceases to be. He's realizing he's not coming back.

>>87339409
Bob's a lodge spirit not a person. Why would he exist in any other reality? That goes against Twin Peaks lore.

>>87339165
Lodge mysticism and the lodgers are consistent and exist across all planes so bob is gone.

>>87339427
Because it is correct.

The ONLY irredeemable thing from 17&18 was One Punch Lad vs Bob Ball. That was embarrassing to watch even if it was funny/surreal.

>>87339447
>I don't understand why Coop is confused as to what year it is though
This is just him grasping at anything because he's trying to understand what just happened on an existential level

>>87339442
It's an old Western movie cliche.

Anyone else disappointed we didn't get any more Red Room scenes?

I loved the finale overall but I was hoping for more of that like Beyond Life and Death, it was kinda lame we just got the same scenes from the beginning of the season again.

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Why was BOB-possessed doppelganger Cooper stone faced and monotone when Frank Silva famously depicted him as a grinning maniac?

>>87339447
what show are you watching

>>87339435
I think Bobby kinda won. As far as we know his daughter isn't dead and he wound up a decent person.

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>>87339378
I'll try

>>87339457
Oh, gee, well maybe you should watch some of Lynch's other films because taking scenes on face value in his movies is usually fucking stupid.

>>87339445
Pretty sure Diane is like a physical manifestation of the red room. She's not real.

>red hair
>black and white nails

When Naido's face disappeared inside of it was the red room, then she turned into Diane.

>>87339354
Fifty year old single women should be killed honestly, they're nothing but a drain on society. Women like Sheryl Lee are a fucking waste of life.

>>87339462
STOP WATCHING YOUTUBERS

>>87339511
That thing on her face was like a lock/prison, it goes up and black smoke, it seems to be some type of Lodge curse or shit.

>>87339527
watch mine though :)
https://youtu.be/Jlvy9Hib7Ww

>>87339466
But he was killed by a person who wouldn't be in that room if Laura hadn't died, Bob wouldn't have been in a Coop doppleganger if she hadn't died.
Does Judy stay in Sara Palmer in the non murdered reality?

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How the hell did they do this? It looked really good.

>>87339471
I'd love to hear some basis for this but just saying you're correct doesn't make it so

Are we just glossing over the first time Laura disappeared after Cooper 'saved' her?

I mean, I think the theory that she wakes up at home is kinda dependent on where she went then.

Unless his is some inception shit and she woke up twice.

>>87339447
What form would the non-existent version of Coop take?

Richard/Coop had an FBI badge, drove an FBI car, but Diane and Cooper were in some shitty 60s car

>>87339547
>Does Judy stay in Sara Palmer in the non murdered reality?
Judy entered through the bug creatured in 1956 so yeah

>>87339554
Sheryl just looks really good

>>87339509
Yeah, because in all his other movies when characters scream it means everything is good.

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>>87339289

Audrey is never mentioned by any other members of the cast, even her own father. And is never seen interacting with any of the characters on the show. So she is either dead or still in the coma that she was in when the Doppleganger raped her. Since we are seeing her internal mental experiences, the answer is she is still in a coma.

Annie knew Cooper was still in the lodge. None of the other characters knew this until 25 years later in the events in season three. If Annie had made it out alive, even if she was in hiding, she would have found a way to get messages to Gordon Cole and Coopers bookhouse boy friends. Since she never did that, and no one ever found out that "The good Dale is in the lodge" till now it's safe to assume shes dead. Doppleganger Coop had all of Coops memories and knew that she knew that he was a fake. She was the only one. She was by far the biggest threat to him and would have been priority number one target. He probably killed her that same night he raped Audrey and burned down Briggs office when she was trying to leave town.

This stuff is pretty obvious really.

>>87339494
Leland wasn't a grinning maniac the whole time he was possessed. Just some times.

>>87339494
Because Frank Silva is dead and Lynch didn't recast Bob. So Bob was simply an orb that Doppel Cooper was carrying around.

Bob was never a character in this new season until the orb at the end.

>>87339427
How is that anon wrong? They gave us those names for a reason. g_o bak 2 leddit, if you want to ignore the few concrete things Lynch gave us.

>>87338924

Cooper didn't save Laura, in fact, he doomed her.

Laura was safe by being dead.

>>87339562
Unless this****
Auto correct yo.

>>87339351
http://variety.com/2017/tv/features/twin-peaks-david-lynch-interview-showtime-agent-cooper-1202445977/

>Would you do another season?
>I don’t know. You never say no. You don’t know what will happen. It depends on a lot of things.

http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/features/david-lynch-talks-twin-peaks-revival-mulholland-drive-w482337
>Will there be more Twin Peaks after this?
>I have no idea. It depends on how it goes over. You're going to have to wait and see.


There is no definitive answer. The series just ended. Lynch is clearly going to relax for a bit.

>>87339447
What do you mean by the opening the curtains thing? I don't remember that. Are you talking about when he's in the Lodge and walking down the hall, and the curtains start bellowing around before he walks through?

>>87339547
He was already defeated (not dead) though so he can't come back in any other timeline. He's gone for good even with those circumstances considered.

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>>87339494
I find Hawk such a scrupulous comfort. I would strive to become his close personal friend and confidant, should such an opportunity present itself within the realms of my fever dreams and narcotic hallucinations.

>>87339583
So she presumably could create another Bob and that could take over Leland if he did die.

>>87339554
That scene blew my mind while I was watching it. I thought it was just old footage from FWWM that wasn't used and they replaced young Cooper with old Cooper.

>>87338831
I agree for the most part. If you didn't want to do what made the show great in the first place (The town and everything that happens in it) why even make it?

>>87339511
That just makes things more confusing to me. Why look like Diane then? Why would Cooper take her with and then fuck her? Are you saying Cooper fucked the black lodge?

I loved the last two episodes. I firmly believe they're pleb filter

>>87339401
Bruh, we literally saw BOB be born in episode 8, and we saw him get wrekt by green glove one punch man.

>>87339251

Carrieverse Bob is the dead thug in Carrie's house

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>>87339547
Yes, she's clearly pissed off that Laura (the entity) is not there in that timeline.

>>87339554
Make-up, CGI & lighting.

>>87339547
The timeline still exists though. Plus bob is done in by the power in the glove sent by the giant who exists metaphysically with bob. It's lodge fuckery. It's honestly better to not rationalize it too much.

>>87339518
You really should consider talking to a therapist, even if you're shitposting having thoughts like that is incredibly unhealthy

>>87339580
The motel they went in to wasn't the same motel Cooper woke up in. He was in a different reality when he woke up.

>>87339626
But Laura was already defeated and she came back in another timeline

>>87339586
Except that Richard says Audrey is his mom.

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if Laura is screaming at Coop in the bushes in the FWWM scene, wouldn't that mean it's the same scene where he tries to rescue her and then disappears?

so how can that even be in FWWM if it's the same scene where she gets murdered?
she sees Coop in the bushes in both FWWM and The Return
did he just leave her in the FWWM timeline to be killed?

>>87339554

is this a meme that I am not aware of? It looks nothing like her

>>87339678
Laura was just dead and was a person not a lodge spirit.

>>87339554
Why is Lynch the only director smart enough to use darkness to obscure the deaging CGI, that make it look great whereas the Marvel movies put it right up front where it looks worst

>>87339643
>intercourse between the two worlds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASdmYsbW-cY

>>87339667
>just turn off your brain

>>87339614
If I'm not mistaken, he makes this weird hand motion as he stands there with Laura before he asks the current year.

>>87339682

She is his mom. What part are you confused about?

>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-62940/Coma-woman-gives-birth-daughter.html

>>87339439
Well, I find it unfortunate that you didn't like the show, but I'm glad you can see how radical it is for the medium. I really wonder what makes Lynch tick.

Lynch always tends to act purposefully cryptic and stubborn when discussing his work publicly. But how does Lynch talk to his co-writers? Is all subtlety lost when he discusses his work in private? Is he like, "Yeah, ok, Mark, so basically Laura is saved from the original timeline, but now she's in this alternate reality made by Judy, and basically Cooper is a Sisyphean hero who has to save Laura from boundless evil throughout the inter dimensional reality. I want to evoke feelings of frustration and fear, yet existential hopefulness, as demonstrated by Cooper's expected perseverance. Basically I wanna turn video art into a TV Show, because no one's done it yet. Sound good? Also, let me tell you exactly why Eraserhead is my most spiritual work..."

Probably not, but who knows.

Maybe his tight lips keep the wonderment of his work, but damn would it be insightful to hear him REALLY discuss his thought process..

HOLY SHIT, EVERYONE!

SCOOBY DOO EXPLAINED THIS

https://youtu.be/WJ-8cn7LGoQ

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED IN THE ENDING

>>87339712
And why can people come back but not spirits?
Shouldn't it be the other way around?

>tfw in a void where time doesn't really exist since last night

I woke up and came here, then I had some dinner and came back here, and it's 1am but it feels both endless and instant since I woke up.

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Did she know about what was coming?

>>87339586
Where do you get that she was raped?

>>87339601
>the fact that their names are the same makes my theory right even though the rest of the post has nothing to do with it

What

>go back to r*ddit

Yeah, kill yourself

>>87339677
Is Richard an FBI agent? Did Cooper travel into the life of another FBI agent? He just woke up from his coma where did he get a badge?

>>87339748
No that anon said that Audrey is never mentioned by anyone in the cast. I was just bringing up that she was mentioned.

Seriously though if Cooper supposedly changed reality why would Diane know to meet him outside the lodge? I don't think Cooper changed reality I think something else is going on. i think he might have been in the alternate even when in the sheriff's station. I think after he disappeared there he entered into the dream world. He just goes further in at the electrical tower thing.

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>>87338831
>Should've

>tfw the Julee Cruise song wasn't Falling
The World Spins is nice and all but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rZbsnB-xkM is THE jam

>>87339694
Closed time loop, the event didn't happen in FWWM because it hadn't happened yet in S3 even though that means it should have always happened

Literally the basis of almost all time travel related stories

>>87339811
That's correct grammar though.

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ETSUBATSU
was anyone else thinking it

>>87339779
Why are the Twin Peaks ladies so autistic?

>>87339311
Announcing themselves and their readiness to face the belligerent, the true occupant of the house

>>87339601
I didn't ignore it retard, I asked how the names being Chalfont confirms they were just trying to confuse Cooper.

>>87339447
I'm in the same boat. The only reason I can think Coop is confused is because he's becoming more Richard and less Coop? Which is why he loses his curtain open ability or whatever. Perhaps he thought that inside the house laid the answer to waking Laura up. Then finally he realized it was past not future. Laura's mom calls her and she wakes up and realizes who she is. Not just Laura palmer but a being created to defeat Judy. This realization shatters the reality that Judy made to trap laura, explaining the explosion. So the implication then is that Laura is aware, they exit the fakes reality, Coop is himself again, and they're off to fight Judy. So happyish ending after all. Makes more sense then saying the giant sent them to a bad ending or that evil won out

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>everyone thought that /tpg/ would end sunday night
>it's only gotten bigger
it dudnt get any bluer

>>87339811
What are you trying to say here? That you're entirely stupid?

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>>87339682
>Richard mentions Audrey keeps a picture of Coop with her
>Likely still loved him, coma or no
>Is trapped in an eternal hell, waiting for her special agent to save her one last time
>Coop doesn't give a shit and saves his receptionist instead because its fucking Laura Dern

Audrey didn't deserve worst end. Had an opportunity to fix the fucked up plot that drama with LFB made, instead threw it out to make a bullshit character for Dern to play for the whole show. My one complaint really

>>87339447
>I don't understand why Coop is confused as to what year it is though.
My opinion is:
>He either was tricked by MIKE and Giant in the end, unlikely.
>The spirits in the house were close to shattering his reality with doubt, so he needed more information
>He was sent to an incorrect point in time in the dreamspace, Giant didn't lie "but there may be somebody there" who did unwanted stuff.

Also I don't think dream means what most people think mean. Time has no value in dreams, so living in a dream makes it so that time has no value. That's why many things happen at the same time and without order, Cooper lives many similar moments in the Lodge. This is a likely reason that he wants to know the time.

>>87339494
He's Coopers doppleganger hence he's the opposite of Coop's personality. BOB was just inside of him. It would have been nice though to have a scene where his BOB side was unleashed and he goes feral like the scene where Leland murders Maddie.

>>87339694
She disappeared when Coop took her away as well and then she screams
The way I initially understood it was that Laura ran away from Coop and then things proceeded like they had always done but that turned out to not be the case so I don't know

>>87339784

Doc Hayward says he saw Cooper coming out of the hospital room where Audrey was in a coma the night that Briggs office burned down and Cooper and Briggs disappeared. He says he called to Cooper but Cooper just stared at him and then walked away.

It was obvious after that scene he raped her that night and the Horne boy was evil Coop spawn, we just had to wait till a couple of episodes ago to get confirmation.

>>87339914
but the OC's are way shittier now

>>87339373
Gas prices and town population are therefore no longer evidence

is it just me or did the scenes from the pilot look so much nicer in episode 17? remastered seasons 1&2 when

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>>87339473
I completely agree with this, I felt like the rest was pure kino as always, but Chav One Punch Man screamed pointless deus ex machina

>>87339831
The World Spins > Falling
I hate the "When I saw your face, when I saw your smile" part on Falling. it sounds so jarring and takes me out of the song.
This live version is more tolerable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frASqfF9gAo

>>87339038
>>Audrey is in a coma. Every Audrey scene takes place inside her own mind

Except that her situations and namesakes end up in constant Roadhouse conversations. Implying either a blending of two realities or that every scene in the Roadhouse is a false reality - which can't be true because we see Shelley, James, and Freddie there.

>>87339914
The posters have only gotten stupider though. Unfortunately /tpg/ will probably be arguing about whether the ending was "good" or "bad" until it dies which is a shame because I feel like part 17 was underdiscussed

>>87339767
Laura died and went to another plane of existence (the Red Room). Bob was just destroyed. Gone forever.

>>87339704
I think with a little more baby fat it would have looked exactly like her in FWWM.

>>87339802

Yes I mean no one ever mentioned her like "Wow lets tell Audrey about this!" or "Audrey would probably want to know her son just ran over a child with his truck and tried to kill a federal witness" etc. The only way no one ever says this stuff is if she is still in a coma.

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>>87339811

i can't explain why but the way episode 18 was filmed felt way more like a david lynch movie than anything in the series before it

>>87339913
exactly this. been lurking from the second I finished the series to all day today and I think this is it. Only thing is normies and redditors are saying its bad ending because its spoopy. I think that was a red herring by Lynch to LYNCH the mouth-breathers though.

>>87339931

Not to mention that Coop is now inexplicably in love with Diane, even though that was never the case in the first two seasons and he was banging and romancing bitches left and right.

The entire culmination of the Diane thing is a weird sex scene and afterwards Coop doesn't seem to give half a fuck about what happened to Diane at all.

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>>87339914
I'd prefer quality over quantity.

IMO /tpg/ peaked around episodes 3-8. Sadly, many regulars wandered elsewhere shortly thereafter.

>>87339976
DoppleCoop went out with an uncharacteristic whimper in ep17
If he had at least been allowed to shoot Frank, his death would also have been more fulfilling but as it stands, he just sort of dies

>>87339963
Population is done every ten years. it was stupid to use that as evidence anyways.

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>>87339973
>false reality

>>87339602
The Giant did it. Laura had already ascended (to heaven?). The Giant gave her mortality again and sent her to the world of ep18 to be used.

>>87339751
I doubt Lynch can explain his own mind. He just does what he feels should be done.

This is an interview from after ep 1-4 had aired.
http://ew.com/tv/2017/05/26/twin-peaks-david-lynch/

>>87339554
it helped that she wore a ridiculously bad wig in FWWM too

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>>87339963

It's evidence of when the scene took place, just like this is. If you go to Odessa right now you would see that same sign. Next census is in 2020.

>>87340021
fucking russian spoilers anon

>>87340015
He didn't fuck Diane. He fucked Linda.

>>87339562
Anyone?

>>87340039

It puts it between 2010 and the present, and the models of the cars put it even closer to now. With the gas prices it's safe to say it's current year.

SHE DOESN'T WAKE UP IN 1989 THAT MAKES NO SENSE

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>the state of cgi cancer
You can't even hide it, look how bad it looks. The film and CGI constant is clearly visible

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>>87339222

>>87339647
Honestly the only pleb filter are the car driving scenes. I can enjoy them and identify with them because 1. I love the character of Laura and 2. I love driving at night. But if you don't like either you may find them boring and a "waste of time". The rest of the episodes are filled with amazing cinematography, action, exposition and all that good stuff. Regardless if you don't "understand/try to understand" the ending no one can deny that it wasn't an amazing final scene.

>>87340076
Doesn't matter who they were. Lynch wanted to do a sex scene between the two of them and shoved in a Diane romance plot.

i hate diane's shitty wigs. should've been long haired dern.

>>87338809
when will you guys finally go back to reddît?

Judy wins
Jeffriesposters were right and also won

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>>87340076
Richard fucked Linda
Cooper is a pure boy and only had sex with his partner's wife, driving him insane but was raped by Janey

>>87338895
I hope he pulls through. Thoughts and prayers.

>>87340056
I can't believe that wound up making it easier to film this scene 25 years later though. It would looks like shit if she had to wear a wig now when she had natural hair in the movie, but the fact she has the wig in both made it seem like you g Sheryl again. BRAVO LYNCH

>>87340084
I assumed it was a tulpa. I think it makes the same sound tulpa diane makes. I think Cooper entered into a fake reality when he went "back in time" not to the real past. Then he returns to the lodge and is able to actually leave it finally. That's where he sees Diane and continues from there.

>>87340160
>was raped by Janey
I've been wondering about this. Did Dougie-Coop have the mental capacity to consent?

>>87339934

I think that the general idea is that the lodge-space is the real world while our reality is the dream.

That's why, from the perspective of the lodge-inhabitants our reality can be accessed randomly and out of sequence. It's like our reality is a simulation to them and they just play around with it if they have enough admin access. In order to have them not fuck it up too much there are complex rules in place that they have to observe and obey.
The reverse is also true where a person entering a lodge will find time and space there confusing since the rules they had to conform to inside the simulation are not valid outside.

Imagine if a sentient Pac-man exited the game and was made into a person in our reality. He'd suddenly be off his usually labyrinth grid and instead of eating pellets and clearing levels he could do whatever he wanted to in our world. A crude comparison but it shows how it would work.
That's also why the Fireman and the lodge spirits talk in weird ways. You'd have to explain to the Pac-person everything in terms of pellets, ghosts and maze-layout terms.

We wished The Return into existence. We can do the same for Season 4 if we want to.

>>87339779
Except now this bitch is begging for fans to plead with David for Season 4.

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Is anyone else still depressed over the ending? Don't get me wrong, I thought it was great but I keep going back again and again to rewatch those last moments of Cooper and Laura outside the house and to contemplate how everything went so wrong. There's such a sense of desperation over how broken Cooper's entire reality is and it hits me fucking hard. I'm starting to lose sleep over this. Man, what a show.

>>87340190
Seemingly Coop was fully aware of everything that happened while he was Dougie even if he couldn't interact fully with the world

Carrie must be a tulpa of Laura. She doesn't have Laura's memories anymore than Dougie had Coops.

Also say Coop does save her in FWWM, what does he think is going to happen? She is the town whore and a junkie Carrie is probably a realistic end point.

>>87340165

If he went to a fake reality instead of the real past then he wouldn't have saved Luara from death, but we saw her body disappear before Pete could find it. Therefore the past did change so it was the real past.

>>87340217
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/196/268/973/

>>87340076

Inconclusive.
He at the very least still dragged Diane into coming with him to the other dimension like he was his soul mate and then abandoned her almost immediately.

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>>87340162
The biggest loss from this season was being unable to witness these two wonderful individuals reunited again.

>>87340239
Then why is Diane there? She shouldn't be present because she shouldn't know anything that happened in Twin Peaks anymore. It doesn't make any sense at all unless it wasn't real.

>tfw took me hours to fall asleep last night after Laura's scream
>thought I'd be fine tonight
>same thing, been laying in bed for hours unable to sleep

Why was this the scariest thing Lynch has ever filmed? It was just a woman screaming and yet it scares me more than anything in any of his films

>>87338867

This right here we get to live it, some of us again (S2) and some of us for the first time. It's all real, and we are living it.

Was Bob/Booper working with Judy?

>>87339973
I think this reinforces the coma theory, as a comatose person could theoretically overhear things and superimpose them into their dreams. Who's to say one of the nurse's taking care of her wasn't one of the people involved in the Billy drama? Audrey's learning the story via osmosis and is co opting it in her mind to her dream life.

Either that, or we as an audience witness two distinct roadhouses, "dream" one and "real" one

>>87339274
Once he started banging Diane it seemed he was Dooper, he lay there expressionless for some of the worst sex I've ever seen and even the music had that horrible grind added in.
Then he wakes up in a completely different place.

>>87340282
Sheryl Lee is just that good

Is the actress of Shelly the only twin peaks qt that remained sane?

>>87339239
cause kale refused to be the lead role in FWWM and lynch has been punishing for that for the past 25 years

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>>87340269
>The biggest loss from this season was being unable to witness these two wonderful individuals reunited again.
but we did

>>87340269
At least we got

>Harry, it's Coop

Isn't Cooper acting all retarded and tipsy at the very last moments because reality is shattering and when he asks "what year is this?" is because he TOO is about to wake up in 1989? Idk just my 2 cents and I'm about to hit the bed

Can someone explain who is Eddie Vedder and how is that song significant?

>>87340235

>Coop does save her in FWWM

How? When? I don't remember this.

>>87340282

It's not the scream that got me. It's Coop's bewildered reaction to it, showing that not only is he clueless about what's going on ... he's completely and utterly out of his depth.

>>87340304
Sheryl seems fine

>>87340304
Sheryl Lee is very much sane

>>87340298
She really is. It is, frankly, a crime that she wasn't nominated for almost everything possible after FWWM.

>>87340304
Sheryl Lee seems fine.

>>87339792
It's sad and Reddit that you don't know who those names belong to. Sad you've never seen the original show nor movie. Sad!

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>>87339501
>got cucked
>no resolution
>"won"

watch it shelley

>>87340269
>yfw Lynch was going to make the Twin Peaks revival super comfy, just like S1/S2, but then Michael Ontkean bailed on the show

>>87340282
>>87340330
>just nu-male things

>>87340282
It's the sense of dread built up in that whole scene, starting from the slow approach to the house, Coop slowly realizing something is wrong talking to the owner, his confusion at what year it is, and everything flooding back to Carrie with the lights exploding.

>>87340351
someone share their bobby folder

>>87340318
David Lynch personal told him how season 3 ends and he wrote a song specifically for the finale

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>>87340269
The power of Coop's friendship and loyalty is something most men can only dream of.

>>87340294
I don't think even Lodge spirits are quite clear what Judy is. Phillip may know more than anybody else because he's the fucking White Duke.

>>87340225
Nigga it's just sequel bait. What's there to be depressed about.

>>87340304
Sheryl Lee seems like a total sweetheart and very down to earth, not to mention extremely grateful to Lynch even when she could have easily hated him for the reception of FWWM

Is there a consensus on what the fuck part 18 was about? I just watched it and feel sad as fuck. I don't even know why.

>>87339901
Ask yourself how I said out loud with witnesses that the house would belong to both Chalfont and Tremond before he even knocked, Bozo.

>>87339562
I think with BOB being unable to kill Laura, Judy blinked her somewhere else, either to Odessa with her head fucked up, or in another world entirely meant to contain her

>>87340428
How does it confirm that he never gets his mind back though?

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>>87340456
Feel what you feel. Don't seek an alternative.

>>87340282
Because beyond just the scream the whole scene is a terrifying representation of realizing you're completely temporally displaced. When you realize that, how do you even go about correcting it?

>>87340456

Coop essentially abandons everyone and everything to pursue one goal and that is to save Laura and stop Judy.

He fails.

>>87339494

i imagine riding shotgun with someone with their own agenda and lodge powers gets boring after the first couple of years

I understood the lights in the house going out as Judy revealing her presence

This is to reinforce the obvious Judy/Sarah theory but the scene with The Arm talking about the girl down the lane is immediately followed by Laura telling her secret to Cooper, just like a memory. A very similar scene to the second episode where The Arm talks about the Doppelganger and Cooper immediately remembers him. So whatever Laura said must have been about her mother, just like her first secret was about his father.

>>87340464
>>87339174
watch the scene again
he never got his mind back
Richard got his mind back

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>>87340386

bobe

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>>87340332
>>87340333
>>87340341
>>87340448
Sheryl a cute, CUTE!

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>>87340515

If Leland was posssesed by BOB since he saw the man by the lakehouse and a Sarah was possessed by Judy when the bug crawled in her mouth is Laura the daugther of Bob and Judy?

>>87340225
Most people are still here because of that yeah.

How come Frost made one of the best Magical Realism settings period, but none of his other books, shows, or movies are any good?

Is it really only the combination of Lynch and Frost that are any good?

>>87339939
I just wanted to hear Mairzy Doats again.

>>87340456
he fucks the timeline up
events and people are rearranged
he realizes he can't return laura to place she never lived anymore

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>season 2 ends with Coop being way out of his depth and paying the price for it
>season 3 ends with Coop being way out of his depth and paying the price for it

>>87338924

she'd been dead for 25 years. If anyone deserved a happy ending it was Coop. show should have ended with the destruction of bob in ep 17. push that event to ep 18, have bob cooper and the sheriff's department gang go out to the forest where Briggs led them to the vortex as part of some last ditch plan/trap set by bob to lure dale back into the lodge, only to be foiled by Dale in a triumphant moment. We waited 25 years and 16 episodes just to watch the important plotline wrap way too quickly and conveniently so that Lynch could spend the home stretch retconning his waifu back from the grave. And for what? What service to the story was it to bring back Laura? Now everything's fucked.

and don't even get me started on the Judy plot tie-in. We're not gonna talk about Judy.

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>>87340274

It makes perfect sense. The lodge exists outside of time. It's why Annie was able to give Laura the message "The good Dale is in the lodge" to put in her diary even though Annie didn't enter the lodge until years after Laura was dead. Once you are inside it you can access multiple different times and be reached from multiple different times.

Evil Coop takes Diane there after the end of season two, makes a tulpa and dumps her there, and replaces her with the copy in the outside world as an informant. Cooper enters the lodge in 1988 finds Diane, and rescues her. It doesn't matter if he enters before she does because time in the lodge is nonlinear.

>>87340541
Frost can write all the paranormal shit he wants, but Lynch is the visual drive that makes it all work.

>>87340562

Same thing in S1 where he got shot, basically.

>>87340541
Lynch brings Frost's ideas to life.

No matter what Lynch is a fucking MASTER of sound.

>>87340512
what, explain

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>>87340523
Sheryl is many positive things including a positive influence on all our lives

s o m e o n e m a n u f a c t u r e d y o u

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>>87340464
Don't worry about it anon, just an OG /tpg/ meme

>>87340574
No that makes no sense because she is outside of the lodge not inside of it. It's implied she meets up with him from outside. It just doesn't make any sense at all.

>>87340165
What? That would mean Laura is a tulpa.

I think I should clarify my question:

For the 'Laura woke up in her bed in 1988' theory to be true she would have to have gone back to her house after Coop saved her.

But all we see is her disappearing after her scream to somewhere else. So what happened then? Did someone from the lodge teleport her to her house? Did she die again? Did she 'wake up'?

If she didn't come back to that original reality she can't be dreaming and thus can't wake up from whatever other reality Coop ended up in.

>>87340562
No dude Cooper is a magic hero who saved everything this time even though that's been subverted at literally every opportunity throughout this entire series lmao

Also, the woman who plays Laura is so good. Why haven't I seen her in anything besides Twin Peaks?

Do you guys really want season 4? What could it possibly be about? As far as I'm concerned this is the end and the finale wrapped it all up, although it's kind of bleak.

>>87340644
>Laura woke up in her bed in 1988'
That theory is probably wrong anon. There is basically no evidence for it at all.

>>87339694

Is it future?

Or, is it it past?

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>>87340562
>season 1: cooper gets shot
>season 2: cooper is trapped in a nightmare world with an undead Laura
>season 3: cooper is trapped in an alternate reality with a living Laura and a working car
you know his situation improved drastically compared to where he was at the end of season 2

>>87340655
I don't even want season 3 anymore, tbch.

I wanna dream about Monica Bellucci.

>>87340644
Here's a hint, it's none of that because the "Laura wakes up" theory is total conjecture that totally hinges on the idea that BOB being destroyed in 2015 means he's dead in 1989 too

>>87340655
I don't believe a 4th season is viable.

>>87340686
They used the exact soundbite of Sarah saying "Laurraaaa" from the pilot episode.

>>87340655
>Audrey
>Richard/Cooper, Linda/Diane, Carrie/Laura

>>87340359
suck my dick

The way I interpreted it is that cooper realised there were no evil spirits, and judy exists outside reality because it's an explanation for something that doesn't have one. The evil that existed within leland is just that, evil, and it can exist within any person for no reason, and if always will. Thus laura screams, this doesn't actually happen, and represents the realisation of being powerless to ever truly stop evil, she knows exactly
what is going to happen to her that night, and cooper realised this too.

>>87340690
Why can't Cooper ever have a happy ending? Lynch must really hate him.

Reminder that this is the superior of Diane/Cooper scene

https://youtu.be/xf1WS1PAW4U

>>87340652
FWWM being a critical and financial failure in spite of her amazing performance probably tanked her potential as a star I'd imagine.

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>>87339866
>>87339917
>>87340006

got'em

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Talking about Judy was a mistake. It literally ruined Twin Peaks.

>>87340492
>>87340543


Not that anon, but how exactly did he fuck it up? The last thing we see is Laura remembering, does that not mean Coop saved her? The scream coupled with Coops seemingly defeated demeanor (which I believe is just him becoming more Richard) makes it seem like all hope is lost but the giant set this up from the opening scene. I honestly believe he delivered as Coop had done his part, we just don't see the result of Coop's success in saving her.

Lynch is LYNCHING us into believing it's a somber ending.

>>87340716
They did that before in the return though. When Laura is in the doorway.

>>87340655
I just want a season 3 without Laura Dern and a not bad end for Audrey

>captcha dead end

>>87340729
its not that lynch hates cooper
he just really loves when studios give him money to put cooper in shitty situations

>>87340716
That doesn't mean she woke up though

>>87340723
Why is everyone so hung up on Audrey? Fucking Bobby is a more important character than her.

>>87340655
I don't want it, but if Lynch would make it - I'd watch it.

>>87340445
>it's just sequel bait
We don't know that for sure. Yeah, Lynch and Frost have left it open ended in case they decide to come back, but the ending here can actually be a fitting conclusion to the series unlike season 2's finale which begged for more.

And still, it's not a cliffhanger so much as it is staring straight into the void. There's a profound emptiness in it with no obvious way out. Of course L&F could resort to lodge magic and all to continue the story but as it stands, Cooper is stranded in a foreign reality because he couldn't let go of needing to fix the past and tried his luck too many times.

>trying to make sense of an ending that is purposefully crafted to be mysterious
Why do you redditors even watched this show? Are you new to surrealism? There is no real or single answer, brainlets.

the world coop crosses over to in the finale is an entire tulpa universe

>>87340686
Only the reused audio.

>>87340655
What's so fucking bleak about it? Did you watch the first scene of the fucking first episode? Everything is going according to plan. In one corner you have the possibility of Laura being alive and living a semi normal life, in the other she's the instrument to end the most evil spirit on earth. There's nothing bleak about this.

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>tfw feeding on the garmonbozia of all the brainlets and philistines who were BTFO by Part 18

>>87339222
Either she is in a coma or went crazy after evil cooper raped her and the little guy is her doctor. Doesn't really matter everything else is small time compared to the man made cosmic horror that is judy.

>>87340716
There have been repeated soundbites throughout the season and none of those characters have woken up in their beds years before.

>>87340655
I want a film tying up loose ends with judy, the alternate world and audrey.

>>87340809
>Only the reused audio.
So what? He reused it earlier, it didn't mean anything like her waking up then.

>>87340783
Because we don't know what the fuck is going on and her bizarre situation doesn't seem to take place in the same supernatural space we are accustomed to. Also, Cooper saving Audrey from purgatory or whatever would be an expansion on an old Twin Peaks situation.

>>87340783
They wrappes up the storylines of the older actors while leaving the ones of the younger cast open, that way if they ever decide to come back the risk of half of them being dead is not as high. The only real issue is the Fireman dying, but even then they probably shot a bunch of scenes with him we're never going to see unless a new season or movie is greenlit

>>87340760

He fucked up for the exact reason he fucked up at the end of S1 and at the end of S2.

He's simply out of his depth.

You can only do so much against entities existing outside of time and space that can rearrange reality as they wish and doom people to eternal suffering on a whim.

He only managed to get so far by listening to superior lodge spirits to begin with, but apparently even they can only help him so much.

At least this time he has the privilege of being checkmated by a literal ultimate evil rather than some person with a gun or his own insecurity.

>>87340728
Then why did the giant send coop instructions to go to the address of Palmer's House in "Richard and Linda" dimension? I think too many people are discounting the opening fucking scene of this whole Return arc. I don't blame them Cooper's odd mannerisms followed by Laura screaming seem bleak, but I truly think the Fireman beats Linda.

>>87340856
Audrey is the girl who lives down the lane. Basically she is in the same situation as Cooper and Laura but in a different separate reality.

>>87339647
This whole season was a pleb filter

>>87340760
Laura was free of the memory of her trauma of years of sexual abuse and murder and Dale brought it all back to her in a new alternate dimension where she never really existed in the first place

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>>87340814
>yfw Lynch is merely a lodge spirit, using his filmmaking expertise to harvest incalculable amounts of Garmonbozia

>>87340861

They can always have the Fireman just float around and talk through a voice over.

I mean we have Bowie appear as a kettle so whatever man

>>87340445
You're an absolute fucking moron if you think that ending was sequel bait or a cliffhanger.