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>>84912882

oops

daily reminder to kill yourself

POST YOUR TARDIS TEAM RANKINGS

>God tier
10/Donna
12/Bill/Nardole

>Good tier
11/Amy
12/Clara

>Ok tier
11/Clara

>Shit tier
10/Rose
10/Martha

>>84918738
>God tier
2/Jamie/Zoe

>Shit tier
Everyone else

What's the worst NuWho episode title?

>>84918820
Most with 'the Doctor' in them are contenders.

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Speaking of Thom...Iain Glen for the Doctor?

Welsh Doctor when?

>>84918723
Not sure how I feel about this. Would she be able to pull off the same intensity as the previous doctors?

>>84918820
Nightmare in Silver

>>84918820

Let's Kill Hitler

>>84918820
The Curse of The Black Spot

Do you have to actually like Doctor Who to be a fan? I'm passionate about the concept and the potential but I've become jaded with the recent stories and characters. I think the current cast and crew have delivered mostly underwhelming television since season 6.

Also, do you invest in the idea of being a Doctor Who fan? Is it a part of your identity? Do you think it says something about you as a person? Is it something you're proud of?

>>84918820
Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS, purely for its impracticality.

>>84918880

She can do this. She played Moriarty once.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY7i8cQontg

>>84918880
She can be intense, see 'the Tudors'.

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God Tier
>12/Bill/Nardy
>9/Rose/Jack/Mickey
>10/Donna
>7/Ace
>2/Jamie/Zoe

Great Tier
>5/Nyssa/Tegan
>1/Susan/Ian/Barbera
>4/Sarah/Harry
>4/Leela
>3/Jo

Ok Tier
>6/Peri
>4/Romana 1 & 2

Bad Tier
>7/Mel
>6/Mel

Shit Tier
>11/Amy/Rory
>11/12 /Clara
>4/Adric
>anything else not mentioned

>>84918845
I want it but no one else would.

>>84918820
In the Forst of the Night for being set during the day
And what the hell is Zygon Invesion?
The Magician's Apprentice/The Witch's Familiar is just word salad
Hide is just a random word, nobody hid anywhere, neither was any animal skin present in the episode
Robot of Sherwood because why the hell it's not plural?
Gridlock for misusing the term
Pretty much every RTD's finale is a word salad too

>>84918888
This
Also Mcgann quads.

>>84918738
>Martha/10
>shit
>12/Bill/Nardole
>god
>no mention of 9/Rose
terrible

>>84918963
Robot of Sherwood is called that because it's a play on "Robin of Sherwood".

Still shit though.

>>84918984
>Nice

>>84918794

>The idea that the Doctor is morally objectable and not a hero

This was a big part of Six/ Seven's characterisation, and even RTD did the "Time Lord Victorious", alongside episodes like the Family of Blood and the Runaway Bride. Moffat definitely didn't introduce the idea of the Doctor as a morally objectionable character.

>>84918820
fear her

>>84919020
I got this. But why the hell not pluralize it? It's not like Robot or Robots are any closer to Robin.

>>84918888
quads of divine truth

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>/who/ presents:
DOCTOR WHO: SHIT TRIPS Vol. 2
- The Anthology -

>Are you a true fan of Doctor Who?
>Have you ever written down a sequence of words?

If the answer is yes or no, then you are ready to contribute a literary masterpiece to the second /who/ collection of original Doctor Who-based short fiction.

/who/ did it once. Now, we're gonna do it again! Yet another entry in an age-old tradition of p̶a̶c̶k̶a̶g̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶f̶a̶n̶f̶i̶c̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶g̶e̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶g̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶m̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶a̶i̶r̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶l̶e̶g̶i̶t̶i̶m̶a̶c̶y̶ / celebrating the magic of Who and the talent of a community.

There are no limits (except the story must be at least 1 word long, and preferably not in excess of 10,000, it's short fiction you fuck).

>- Can involve any Doctor(s), companion(s), side characters, spinoff characters and beyond, as your heart desires
>- Can be in any style, whether it's "legitimate writing", "pisstake", or "shitpost".
>- Can be about absolutely anything
>- The main focus is on good fun in the vein of the wiki, although serious entries are allowed. (If you're going to write smut, maybe approach it with a degree of levity)

Stuck for ideas? Try starting with your favourite TARDIS team (or for timeliness, 12/Bill “I'm a lesbian” Potts) and one of these authentic titles:
http://www.saberpunk.net/DoctorWho/DoctorWhoSerialGenerator.php
https://glyphobet.net/drwho
And free scenario prompts:
http://games.usvsth3m.com/drwho/

We are going to be starting an index on the wiki for the collection. Anyone can contribute, no signups/pitches required. If you have ideas, feel free to broadcast them.
The rest is self-explanatory. Format for uploading your work is up to you, as long as it can be conveniently copied across (and ideally don't spam long texts in /who/ directly). (Pastebin works well.)

BONUS: Anyone who wants to do cover art or "illustrations" is encouraged.

>>84919051
The 'robot' was referring to the Sheriff (which is unfortunate given his robot reveal was cut from the episode). Should've changed the title though to reflect it.

>>84918845
Yes please. He might be too big, though.

>>84919037

No, but Moffat made it a core focus of Who. Cartmel tried to do that but the show got cancelled, and RTD did it for one fucking episode.

>>84918934
I'm not entirely convinced. She's pretty plain in that. I need something charismatic for her.

>>84918820
The Pyramd at the End of the World

>>84919134
Would have loved a Valeyard Storyline for Capaldi. But I'm very glad Moffat didn't touch because fucking fuck that fucking fuck. He'd have ruined it and Clara would have somehow been involved with helping the doctor through it.

>>84918931
To be honest I can't think of any better title

How does Dr Who clean his TARDIS?

With a Who-ver!

>we'll never get colin looking like this

>>84918934
Wow. I wasn't really sure whether I'd like her as The Doctor or not. Thanks for convincing me she's definitely the wrong choice.

>>84918880
No but I'm attracted to her and that's all that matters

>>84919190

Moffat did a good Valeyard storyline with War Doctor.

>He'd have ruined it and Clara would have somehow been involved with helping the doctor through it.

So basically Raven/Heaven Sent/Hell Bent

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>>84919255
FUCK FORGOT THE IMAGE

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>Bill, Pat, Jon, John! Death is not an excuse! In the recording booth, now!

>>84918794
>The idea that the Doctor is morally objectable and not a hero (Silence arc, War Doctor, 12)
That's a fundamentally misguided idea. Doctor Who doesn't quite work unless Doctor is identified as a good guy. Otherwise, it's some jackass messing with history. We know his goodness will be asserted, or show would fall apart, so it's pointless.

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>>84919190
>>84919277
Everytime I heard someone mention Capaldi vs Valeyard.

>>84919308
Bill, Pat, Jon, John! With me, to the recording booth!

Watching The Romans in casualwhostream if anyone wants in.

>>84919134

It still doesn't count as an original addition to the mythos, though.

>>84919308
didnt ian levine try to force nicholas courtney to record some lines for his shitty recon when he was on his deathbed?

>>84919332
This was my favorite meme spoiler for series 9, who made it?

Why does the Doctor like humans/Earth so much when he keeps going on about how awful and violent we are?

Does he just have shit taste?

>>84919284
He could have been the best.

>>84919379
I don't know, I just took this off Google Images - I saw it ages ago and it clicked in my mind when I saw anon's post.

>>84919389
Why do people still watch Doctor Who? Same reason.

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>>84919353
He tried but Nick shot him so he underwent a freak split regeneration into Adam Orford and Crystal Dee.

>>84919426
Because I like how awful and violent the Doctor is, but I have impeccable taste.

>>84919389
For budgetary reasons so they don't have to create a new planet every episode.

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>If I have to destroy your career for you to resort to Big Finish then so be it.

Do you think we'll see 1 regenerate in the Christmas Special as well?

>>84919567
Just call it Quarria, planet of the Quarrymen and they're sorted.

>>84919389
Well humans look like Time Lords, so maybe he feels most at home on Earth. I mean, he does also criticize Time Lords often enough. Things aren't always perfect.

>>84919602
>segues into some surviving footage
>Polly says "Doctor!"
>cuts to Doctor on the floor
>Ben and Polly rush over
>cuts to something else

That'll do me.

>>84919389
he is half human

>>84919682
would you fuck off

>>84919694
I didn't like at first but it makes too much sense

is it really bad anyway? It goes back to the classic figures of mythology, such as Merlin, Gilgamesh, Heracles, Mithras and Jesus

How would you feel if the Christmas Special was some Land of Fiction/parallel universe gubbins and it's literally the Twelfth Doctor meets William Hartnell shooting the first season? First line after the big reveal in The Doctor Falls is something like, "Aaand CUT! Who's this bloke?", turns out Hartnell was ad-libbing or humouring Twelve.

HOW WOULD YOU FEEL?

>>84919762
Well maybe.
You got me.

>>84919323
There are two conceptions of the Doctor in fan consciousness. Which conception you prefer somewhat decides which Doctor you like.

The "perfect" Doctor (infallible) : the Doctor is the ultimate paragon of goodness. He never makes bad decisons, nor gives into cruelty. He shows mercy to his enemies if he can; but he is also the one who defends the defenseless. He is never cowardly, and never gives into fear, or rage. He doesn't really do sex or kissing, and why would you want him to? He's like the perfect parent, always with a joke and a wink. His companions can always trust him. He's the angel who fights demons.

The "morally complex" (fallible) Doctor: the Doctor's just a bloke. He has massive amounts of influence and intelligence, but he's just a guy, and he makes mistakes. He has a libido, he can be capricious and cruel, and occasionally, he can go too far. His companions can't always trust him. Sometimes, it's almost best if they shouldn't. He is the monster to fight monsters. And he does his best to be never cruel, nor cowardly.

Note: the "perfect" Doctor probably hasn't been actually been accurate except in some Three, Four, and Five (and oddly enough, Nine) stories. In my experience, it's those who see the Doctor as perfect that object to the increased moral complexity of the NuWho Doctors, especially the Moffat Eleventh Doctor. (Also, the Tenth Doctor is a "morally complex" Doctor who often tricks the viewer as well as himself into thinking he's a "perfect" Doctor.) Most of the complaints about the Doctor being morally objectionable is really showing the Doctor as a "fallible being" , which it seems fans who grew up on classic Who tend to dislike. ("Fans who grew up on classic Who" and "fans of classic Who" are not the same.) Some fans who grew up on classic Who tend to see the Doctor as an infallible being, and so find the moral greyness of the later Doctors (Seven onwards) as disturbing, and even betraying the purity of the Doctor's character.

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>>84919762
Best adaptation of Merlin is 100% non-human FUCK OFF.

>>84919815
I would actually beat the shit out of Moffat.

>>84919848
ok good point

>>84919815
Such a Moffat thing to do, and now I'm afraid.

>>84919848
Merlin is the future Doctor, remember.

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>>84920007

>>84919353
I'm not sure, but he definitely did that with the actress who played President Flavia in Five Doctors.

>>84918820
>>84918888
>>84918908
these titles at least describe what the stories are about, unlike...

>The Bells of Saint John

the episode is about deadly wi-fi, what the title refers to is barely relevant to the plot.

>The Long Game

the actual 'long game' happens a few episodes later and Bad Wolf should be called 'The Long Game'.

>The Magician's Apprentice

who the fuck is 'The Magician' ? The Doctor? He doesn't do anything remotely magical in the episode, neither does he behave like a Magician. Is it Davros? It makes even less sense.

I love the episode, but the title is fucking stupid.

>>84920316
>He doesn't do anything remotely magical in the episode

Ok, I just remembered the cup of tea. Does that make him the fucking Magician? Is Davros his apprentice? How?

>>84919353
which retcon is that?

>>84920341
That's in The Witch's Familiar anyway

>>84920316
>>84920341
>>84920383
I think both titles refer to Clara. She's the Doctor's companion (Magician's Apprentice) and then she's Missy's "companion" (The Witch's Familiar). At least that's what I took out of it.

Shit titles anyway.

>>84920510
>>84920383
>>84920341

Still think they should've called it Master of the Daleks of The Master's Dalek Plan

>>84920510
+1

>>84920316
>>The Magician's Apprentice
>who the fuck is 'The Magician' ? The Doctor?
He dresses the part.

>>84920544
>Master of the Daleks
Continuing usurping Big Finish names, are we?

I've 6 hours of driving ahead of me tomorrow. Was thinking of what to listen to on the journey and figured Id try some of the audio dramas or books.

What does /who/ recommend? If it's boring I'll probably have little patience to hack through some more. Gimme somethin gud

>>84920926
Spare Parts
Jubilee
The Fearmonger

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>tfw comic relief Doctor becomes canon

Here's my poor attempt of aging him up to present day Atkinson.

>Watching Death in Paradise from the start
>Actually really good and fun
>Kris Marshall becomes the main character
>next series we get introduced to Florence as his sidekick

Holy hell, talk about hot chocolate. That woman is absolutely stunning.

>>84920926
Spare Parts and Jubilee as has been said, but also The Silver Turk, The Chimes of Midnight and Scherzo

>>84920907
>lesbians are garbage

More at 7

>>84920555
I'm conflicted as to why you replied with that.

>>84921119
I'd rather have Jonathan Pryce as The Master to be honest.

Keep him as the bumbling, Red Nose Day version of Delgado, explain it as a quirk of regeneration. He'd still be better than Ainley or Simm.

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>>84919122

He's a big knight

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>>84921150

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>>84921208

Atts would make the best master too desu

>>84921352
Fuck off to your dying show /ssg/

>>84921379

DUDE WORDS WITH B IN THEM LMAO

>>84921352
What a cute rodent

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>>84921394

>>84921394
Nah. How bout you fuck off to /krg/.

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>>84921150
Shit, forgot pic
Pic doesn't even do her justice though but it's the best quality one I could find since I stream the episodes

Always wearing singlets, giving us the glorious gift of her armpits every episode, what a woman.

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>>84921544
>He banged this and now he's going to bang the new companion (ANRI OKITA)

CAN'T DISS KRIS

>>84921780
>>84921658
Stop forcing this meme please
Jazz hands was better than this shit

>>84921544
Woah. My heart skipped a beat there. I'm gonna have to watch Death In Paradise now.

>>84921470
Why was Empty Child/Doctor Dances so good /who/?
>9 going into a pub and grabbing the mic to ask if anyone's seen any huge metal things fall out of the sky recently (the spaceship he's chasing) and everyone bursts out laughing thinking he's a stand-up comedian doing a war time routine was great.
>Captain Jack fucking Harkness introduced.
>Brilliant "monster" design with the gas mask fused to the faces
>Victor Meldrew from One Foot in the Grave disgustingly transforming into a Gas Mask Zombie
>Nanogene idea was brilliant
>JUST THIS ONCE! EVERYBODY LIVES! (sadly that became a very overused concept in later Moffat episodes)

>>84921836
I've really enjoyed it. She only appears by S4 but you should really start from the beginning. The characters are great and work off each other really well, there's lots of humour, and every episode there's like an impossible crime (locked room mystery/all suspects have airtight alibi's) and a satisfying conclusion. Also sunshine and glorious brown beauties.

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>>84921439

B-EST DOCTOR

>>84921853
I think that "why Sherlock is rubbish" video summed it up pretty well, since the guy used this story as an example of Moffat being a good one-off writer compared to being a bad showrunner.

I really expected it to be troll clickbait but ended up watching the whole thing. Thank you and fuck you to whoever linked it here.

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>tfw no alternate badass doctor who went to join the military to become a war lord instead of going to the academy to become a time lord

>>84922148
I like to think he only stayed in school because of his academic rivalry with The Master. It's well-established that he did terribly and should have taken a vocational course instead, but he didn't.

>>84922148
Write it for Shit Trips Vol 2.

>>84921951
Thanks. Maybe I'll check it out.

>>84921968
I've heard about this video but I don't feel like spending an hour watching someone berate something with opinions I probably have myself anyway.

But I think most of us agree that the best Moffat episodes were from before he was showrunner. Sure, there's good episodes after, but Empty Child/Fireplace/Blink are some of his best.

I just hope that once Chibnall gets going and the show's hopefully back on track with better ratings, we'll get an RTD or Moffat script a few years down the line. I've wanted RTD to write an episode for years now just to see how it goes. But I think Moffat should stay away for a while doing other stuff, and then maybe writing a single episode for S13 or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zItPSTp6V4E

Agree or disagree?

How would you feel if Series 11 made no references to the past (other than perhaps a Dalek story) and unavoidable stuff like using the TARDIS interior and having the sonic screwdriver?

>>84922403
>Thanks. Maybe I'll check it out.
I hope you do. I now understand why it's such a big success ratings wise. It's simply a very good show that juggles character development, detective work and humour very well. I think we're in for a long-running show with DiP especially since they "regenerate" the lead character every few years and it still works and gets great ratings.

>>84921813
t. Jazzhands faggot

>>84922567
I would welcome it.

>>84922484
>Calls Romana "Ramona"

>>84918738

>God tier
>Donna

kys

>>84918738
>God tier
No regular companion
>Good tier
Martha
Donna
Rory

>Ok Tier
Rose
Bill

>Shit Tier
Clara
Amy

>>84922567
Cut out the sonic screwdriver and we have a deal.

Earlier I was rewatching some Pertwee and I realized that in a lot of ways, The Sarah Jane Adventures is a better reboot of Doctor Who than NuWho was.

>>84922567
I'm up for a reboot. I think everyone is, including the BBC. Clean slate and all that. Focus on the new Doctor and companion having adventures in time and space.

Other question: how would you feel if S11 did away with the whole series arc thing (Bad Wolf, Saxon, bees are disappearing, crack in the wall, Who Shot Mr. Doctor?, Impossible Girl, Who is Missy?, What's in the Vault?)?
Just 12 episodes of exciting new adventures and an interesting finale, but no series-running red thread thing going on?

>>84918888
This one. It is so obviously the first idea from a brain storm.
Just like another shitty title: Dinosaurs on a spaceship
They just took the first idea and tried to make an episode out of it. :(

>>84922671
Not even him but the 10/Donna combo was a breath of fresh air for me. Truly felt like two best friends exploring the universe and finally having no sexual tension.

>>84918738
>God Tier
1/Vicki/Ian/Barbara
2/Jamie/Zoe
3/Jo
6/Evelyn
8/Lucie
10/Donna

>Good Tier
1/Susan/Ian/Barbara (purely for Ian and Barbara)
1/Vicki/Steven
2/Jamie/Victoria
3/Sarah
4/Leela/K9
6/Peri
7/Ace/(Hex)
8/Charley
9/Rose
12/Clara

>OK tier
1/Steven/Dodo
1/Ben/Polly
2/Ben/Polly/Jamie
4/Sarah
4/Romana I
all of 5
6/Mel
7/Mel
8/Charley/C'rizz
11/Amy

>Crap Tier
3/Liz
4/Sarah/Harry
4/Romana II
8/Molly
11/Clara
12/Bill

>Shit Tier
10/Rose

Not quite an exhaustive list but did what I remembered.

>>84918923
You are on to something there. The concept is great. But nuwho never came close to be good. The Capaldi seasons is at least a lot better than season 6 and 7.

>>84922813
That was obviously a reference to Snakes on a Plane. I thought it was quite funny for its self-aware purposeful reference of that terrible film title.

>>84919400
>implying he wasn't

No one posting Wilf as a god-tier/great-tier/good-tier companion is a fucking disgrace. He was the best companion and I doubt he'll ever be surpassed.

>>84922761
That's exactly what I want, but I don't think we'll get it now.

The TARDIS should be a device to get to a setting (time is less important). Travelling in it is difficult and time-consuming (almost like flying a spaceship). So the characters get there, have an adventure, they move on. Episodes no longer feel like filler, but Doctor Who.

>>84919815
that would actually be quite cool

>>84922484
>episodes
ooh I bet Frontier in Space Part 4 will be there.

>>84922966
He's Wilf tier.

>>84919323
why not? The original doctor even contemplated killing people with a stone. He can and should be a normal person, and not space jesus.

>>84922761

I just rewatched Aliens of London and while the farting aliens are... well, farting aliens, the character drama was great and very emotional because there was character development. Not only did the events impact the chemistry between Rose and the Doctor, but her relationship with her mother and Mickey changed as well - as did their relationship with the Doctor. There was no story connecting the episodes, other then an occasional 'Bad Wolf' here and there, but there was a progression of characters.

The opposite is true of Moffat's seasons. You could re-arrange the episodes of series 10 any way you wanted (with the exception of the first and the last episodes)as long as you edited the 5 or so minutes concerning the vault and Missy - nothing would be different. All of the shit that happened in the Monk trilogy didn't change anything, it was completely irrelevant.

You couldn't possibly do that with RTD's series.

I like Moffat as a person and a writer, I've liked a lot of the stuff he's written outside of DW like Coupling and early Sherlock amongst others.

But I think he went a bit over the top with shoving in his own personal lore into Doctor Who. Stuff like Listen, where Clara consoles a young child Doctor and implying that this moment molded the Doctor into what he was to become one day shouldn't be allowed. Turning the much-loved Classic character The Brigadier into a Cyberman is another example.

>>84922701
>Earlier I was rewatching some Pertwee and I realized that in a lot of ways, The Sarah Jane Adventures is a better reboot of Doctor Who than NuWho was.
You're not wrong. The two-part approach, the cliffhangers, the slightly wacky aliens, the flashbacks, it's wonderful.

>>84919843
good post

>>84923190
that's what you get when you give Gareth Roberts so much control.

This is what we could have had in the main show.

>>84922148
Thanks, I'll use this for unbound 9 with David Bradley

>>84923109
She was repeating the Doctor's words he was consoling himself.

>Not wanting the Doctor to have actual characterisation beyond Space Jesus
>Wanting the Doctor to be the Ultimate Good (The Ultimate Bore)
>Wanting the Valeyard back
>Preferring RTD

Dr who is shit

>>84923102
RTD's series arcs were less in your face and I liked that.
Moffat's series arcs were always pushed on to the viewer, like almost every episode ended with a huge close-up of the crack.

I can do without those kinds of series arcs. As for characters and their development, I think we're in safe hands with Chibnall. All I've seen from him shows that he "gets" characters, their motivation, their reasoning etc. Moffat wasn't very good with characters and opted for catchphrases and running jokes. Chibnall would give us a nice return to fresh, believable characters.

>>84922761
>bees are disappearing
What the fuck was that about again

>>84923066
RTD's Doctor:
>Just a traveller, passing through, nevermind who I am

Moffat's Doctor

>HI REDIT, I AM THE DOCTOR, AMA

>>84922431

I don't think Fireplace survives the rewatch. The Doctor abandons Rose and Mickey without hope or succour in the far-flung distant future so that he can fuck the world's greatest prostitute. I don't really get the nerd obsession with empowered prostitutes desu. Whedon pulled the same shit all the time, and Moffat whored out Adler too.

>>84923369
I liked when you noticed bad wolf Torchwood and Saxon. Some of them you don't spot until a rewatch like one of the posters on Torchwood. It was the fun game to find.

>>84922761
I would love a reboot. Or at least uncanon of Moffat era.
And yeah. I would be very happy if they skipped the arc thing. It have no problem if they make a later episode to connect with an earlier one, but not plans on arc that stretches over more than one episiode.

>>84923066

>a normal person

Why does compassion mean that somebody isn't normal? Normal as in average, typical, regular, unexceptional - so, what, you want to watch Karl Pilkington travel to far off distant worlds and planets and then complain that he doesn't like the food and he thinks all the aliens' hats are retarded?

>>84923540
>least uncanon of Moffat era.
Why?

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Why is Revenge of the Cybermen to shitty?

>>84923497
Why does any of this have to do with reddit?

>>84923508
>The Doctor abandons Rose and Mickey without hope

not really, as you just said that they are

> in the far-flung distant future

he could spend thousands of years in the past and still arrive 10 seconds after he left.

>>84922967
This. I am sick and tired of all timeywimey. The tardis should just be a devise to tell different stories and not an important part in the stories them self.

>>84923489
It just got mentioned subtly every few episodes. It tied into how Davros aligned a couple of planets for some reason. Can't remember why.

>>84923511
I enjoyed the subtlety of those as well. Still, I'd like to see S11 drop that quirk and just pump out good episodes without alluding to the finale, just to see how it goes.

>>84923632
But doesn't he literally just abandon them and the TARDIS at one point without so much as "don't worry, I have a plan to get back guys"

Will we ever see based Wilf again?
Fuck it, make a Wilf spin-off.

>>84923659
Same. It's a novelty sometimes but it's been so overdone. The TARDIS should just be reigned in for a while, and used to get the characters from A to B to C

>>84923615

during RTD's era the Doctor was secretive stuck to the shadows, during Moffat's era instead of outsmarting the aliens he would prefer something like this:

>mic check mic check HELLO I AM THE DOCTOR, LOOK ME UP ON WIKIPEDIA. I HAVE PERSONALLY PUT EVERY EVIL PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE BEHIND BARS, YOU CAN LOOK IT UP ON YOUTUBE. KNEEL DOWN AND SUCK MY TIMEDICK, OR I WILL ASSFUCK YOU AND STREAM IT LIVE ON 4CHAN

>>84923236
Thanks. I've come up with this idea from watching how the 90s fans argued about the Seventh Doctor's moral greyness in Season 26 and the VNAs, and how fans years later began to argue about the Eleventh (and Twelfth) Doctor was "no longer being the Doctor they loved."

For all that Moffat detractors say that he deifies the Doctor, it's clear that Moffat sees the Doctor as fallible. In fact, Twelve's era has the overall theme of "the Doctor trying to measure to his infallible ideal, and how his failures to measure up affect his companions. But the ideal is worth pursuing anyway." (For someone who believes the Doctor is infallible, the Doctor wouldn't have to try to be the ideal. He already is the ideal.)

It even affects the views on the classic era. The real First Doctor was mean, occasionally cowardly, and didn't always want to fight. The fan First Doctor is grandfatherly, wise, and always wanted to save others, from day 1. The Second Doctor was very manipulative, often willing to risk lives for the greater good, and would tell his companions to shut up occasionally. The fan Second Doctor says "Oh my giddy aunt! a lot.

And, let me just say that the "infallible Doctor" preferrers aren't stupider. At least one person I read who preferred the "infallible Doctor", was a fan of Three, and hated Remembrance, was also extremely smart, had a great understanding of the Doctor's alien side, and wrote awesome fan writings for the Third Doctor. Her idea of the Doctor was much more "perfect" than Moffat's, but no less valid. She understood that the world had shades of grey, and that human nature wasn't just "good/evil", and even that the "infallible" Doctor could be mean at times (and she was an Orthodox Christian, yet understood that the Doctor was indisputably an agnostic at the least). But her conception of the Doctor meant she didn't like Remembrance, and she saw Skaro's destruction as a twisting of the Doctor's values.

>>84923102
Exactly.
With RTD the characters had real dialogs, with Moffat they are explaining the situation or setting up jokes. It is so unnatural that the characters feels interchangeable.

>>84923693

If you mean earlier in the episode, he was not aware that so much time would pass while using the fireplace to travel between the spaceship and France. It would help if you pointed out exactly which part of the story you are referring to.

>>84923775
>during RTD's era the Doctor was secretive stuck to the shadows
That was only Nine though Ten was never secretive and there was literally an arc where Eleven was trying to erase information on himself and 12 hiding as a professor

>>84923262

Go for it, I'm happy my OC can be of some use.

>>84923768
>Fuck it, make a Wilf spin-off.
This. Wilf and Donna's axe-wielding mum in a spin-off sitcom. Wilf's watching Countdown when a Dalek shows up. Donna's mum destroys the Dalek with her axe and Wilf can get on quietly with the conundrum.
Come on BBC, get on it. He's 88, use this opportunity before it's too late.

>>84923893
MICKEY: What happened? Where did the time window go? How's he going to get back?
(A tear runs down Rose's cheek.)

[Ballroom]

DOCTOR: The link with the ship is broken. No way back. You don't have the parts. How many ticks left in that clockwork heart, huh? A day? An hour? It's over. Accept that. I'm not winding you up.

>>84923661
Stealing planets and having the TARDIS fucking towing Earth through space was so illogical and stupid

>>84923940
>>84923693
You don't even that word means anon

>>84923571
>Why does compassion mean that somebody isn't normal?
It doesn't. I want the Doctor to be compassionate but like a normal person.

Okay /who/, hit me with your best spin-off ideas that would work with a budget smaller than DW!

>>84923896
>literally an arc
Both of these forgotten after like 2 episodes

We ought to kill all the RTDfags now that the on-season is over

>>84923990
In English?

>>84924008
using the spin off budget on dr who instead

>>84923940

well, in that case - they are thousands of years ahead into the future, he cold spend decades with Renette then either hitch a ride with some of his other incarnations or find Jack and use his time-vortex manipulator or come up with some other means of timetravel and come back for them seconds after he left - just like from his perspective only minutes pass while for Amy it's years in The Eleventh Hour, only the other way round (years pass for him, while it's 5 minutes for Rose and Mickey)

Where is a good place to start with big finish? I was thinking of getting Spare Parts

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Reminder.

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>>84924045
RTDFAGS ARE BACK ON THE MENU BOYS

>>84924109
stop pretending to be me

>>84924011
The same thing happened in RTD's era
What's your point?

>>84924093
It's still a dick move. He goes in there knowing he'll break the link, and doesn't even warn Rose, leaving her and Mickey to just be like wtf gr8

>>84924151
lol when

So what's the go? Now that I've listened to The Girl that Never Was am I free to listen to the EDAs and shit or do I need to listen to Charley's shit/6 and Charley?

>>84918963
>Robot of Sherwood because why the hell it's not plural?
Originally the main bad guy was a robot and this is revealed in a scene where his head is cut off. He would have been the singular robot in the title. It was in the Marcelo Camargo leaks, but they removed it because ISIS.

>>84923857
That is an interesting description. I watched a lot of Jordan Peterson, and he talked sometime about how the characters some times had a life of their own. How people disregarded parts of the writings and made other minor parts more important than it was supposed to be.

I think it was regarding how Batman was ruled by rules the readers was aware of and that the authors was forced to follow. Because the audience had a distinct feeling about what was Right according to the mythic role Batman should play.

>>84924214
When Nine was erasing information about himself.
you don't remember that

>>84924151

not the anon you replied to, but I tried to get a point across >>84923775 here specificaly about the self-indulgent speeches the Doctor keeps making to the big bad of the week. It was cool in the 11th Hour, it was nice in The Pandorica Opens, but after 6 seasons it became a cringefest when he told the guys that wanted to execute Missy to 'look him up under cause of death'.

>>84924269
Oh yes. He gave Mickey a disc to remove traces of him from the internet. That didn't need any further exploration. Whereas 11's whole thing was "i'm going around visiting every database to remove traces of myself in the entire universe, then to go back into the shadows" and then they just sort of forgot that was even a thing

>>84924331
remember when the daleks forgot who the doctor was and they literally never mentioned it again

it was almost something interesting. imagine the advantage of your arch-enemies not knowing who you are.

and they never mentioned it again.

>>84924331
>>84924423
>then they just sort of forgot that was even a thing
They mentioned it in NiS and it was reversed in Into the Dalek

>>84924096
Good idea

>>84924423
kek, didn't they literally remember everything about him in Time of the Doctor

how fuckin handy

>>84924468
No
did you watch the episode?

>>84924093

Nah. If you have to use headcanon to fix something shitty with an episode, then it's a shitty episode. Maybe he could find a way back, or maybe Torchwood captures him and subjects him to experiments for the rest of his life, eventually draining his remaining regenerations, and leaving Rose and Mickey to starve to death in the far-flung future.

>W-well, he can just hitch a ride with Jack, or -

He doesn't know Jack's on earth at that point.

>W-well, he could just, um, maybe his previous incarnations -

Breaking all the laws of time-travel, kk then.

>>84924174

well, I guess you are right that he should have warned them, but he knew that he would be able to come back for them, even if it will take a long time from his pov, so I wouldn't say he 'abbandoned' them.

>>84924431
No, it was reversed in Time of the Doctor. >>84924487
Yes they did. They extracted information about the Doctor from Tasha Lem and the Church when they raided their flying space-cathedral.

>>84924008
Mickey and Martha got married and had a kid. Years pass and the kid's got the main role. Using his parents' UNIT info he fights aliens who don't appear often in Doctor Who but the costumes are still in storage so who cares and it's cheap. There's the next SJA young children demographic right there.

Adult spin-off featuring Sally Sparrow being a detective who gets into alien hiijinks with her Rory-esque husband, solving alien crimes and defeating aliens who don't appear often in Doctor Who but the costumes are still in storage so who cares and it's cheap.

>>84924487
I did yes. The Time of the Doctor, where they literally got all their memories back.

>>84924515
He kinda did though, esp since Rose had only recently accepted him and Mickey was new to this. Way to freak your companions out, Doc!

>>84924515

But he didn't know that. If he has to wait 3, 300 years to age up to the point he can grab a space taxi, there's every chance he could die, incapacitate, arrive too late to save Rose and Mickey, etc.

>>84924499
>He doesn't know Jack's on earth at that point.

so he waits for 200 years until he does.

I know that this might be counter-intuitive since for plot-reasons in such stories time often passes at the same rate in the future as 'at the same time' in the past, but if you think about it he has literaly millenia to figure out how to get back - and hundreds of years before Mickey and Rose are even born.

>>84924008
Mike Yates Jr has to battle alien invaders using his wits and his guns!

Luckily the aliens are usually shit. No magic powers that can mind control half of Earth or anything, but the occasional gimmick like they're made of diamonds or they're only one inch tall (but there's billions of them).

>>84923857
>It even affects the views on the classic era. The real First Doctor was mean, occasionally cowardly, and didn't always want to fight. The fan First Doctor is grandfatherly, wise, and always wanted to save others, from day 1. The Second Doctor was very manipulative, often willing to risk lives for the greater good, and would tell his companions to shut up occasionally. The fan Second Doctor says "Oh my giddy aunt! a lot.
As a Hartnell fan, it really bugs me when people call "not muh Doctor Who" on Nuwho for things that were part of the show's early years, or in this case all of it outside the late '60s and the '70s.

>camille thinks poole is a footfag

>>84924499
>Breaking all the laws of time-travel, kk then.

what laws? He meets his past incarnation, says 'Hi Doctor, It's the Doctor, just drop me off at this ship at this time. You can trust me since I am literally you. Thanks, bye'. No paradoxes are created and he met his other incarnations lots of times with no consequences whatsoever. The Time Lords are not around to bitch about whatever grudges they hold against such practices.

>>84924561
>Sally Sparrow
People always harp on about how she's too high-profile now to appear in DW. But I honestly don't know her name or seen her in anything. Is she really a Hollywood star now?

>>84924743

I just remembered that he does exactly that in the Day of the Doctor. 11th, 10th and War take a ride with the 10th Tardis to get back to their TARDISes at the appropriate times and places. No 'laws of time travel' are broken and everything is fine.

>>84924743

>No paradoxes are created and he met his other incarnations lots of times with no consequences whatsoever

They only ever met in exceptional circumstances, when it was engineered by the Time Lords, or by some other celestial agency. "You can't cross your own time stream" - every Doctor Who episode, ever. If he could just go back in time and meet his earlier self no problem-o, there wouldn't be a show called Doctor Who, because he would be able to pre-emptively solve every problem by warning his earlier self.

>>84924561
>Adult spin-off featuring Sally Sparrow
>Mickey and Martha got married and had a kid.
They're not popular enough

Which one-off NuWho villain/alien/monster would you like to return?

Adipose for me. But make them sinister and completely murder fat people by extracting their fat until they're just a skeleton with some muscle fibre. Nothing better than a cutesy mascot-tier alien turning sinister and ugly.

>>84924888
Reminds me of the 50th when a friend turned to me and said "hey, if the Doctor's about to forget that he saved Gallifrey, why can't Hurt quickly scribble a note saying "Gallifrey saved, lost" for the Eccleston incarnation"

>>84924267
The controversy about Batman's and Superman's characterizations in BvS is largely about how the "infallible icons" of Batman and Superman are shown as fallible in those movies. Superman in BvS is largely just a guy trying to live up to the ideal of Superman, and Batman is someone who has become cynical of the ideal of Batman. (Personally, I think BvS screwed up in part because although they're doing admirable critique of ideals, there hasn't been establishment of those ideals in the DC Snyderverse to justify the critique. Also, the execution had major issues.)

The Twlfth Doctor is probably more aware of his "role" as the Doctor, and the "rules", then any other Doctor. Hell Bent is all about how he breaks the rules, which is why that episode turned some people off as "an episode where the Doctor does something so un-Doctorish." Hell Bent is about the Doctor breaking his contract with the viewers to stick with his code. Unlike BvS, we've had at least 2 seasons of development for this (arguably all of Doctor Who, from the very first companion death, has led to Hell Bent.) But that betrayal was so deep, it still pissed people off (especially since it was for Clara).

>>84924665
Many people who grew up with classic Who never got to see all of the First and Second Doctor live. It wasn't easy to actually see any of those eps firsthand for a long time. What was remembered became the Platonic Ideal of each Doctor, or what the children who watched the show growing up remembered. Plus, the Fourth Doctor's heroic aura ended up obscuring the view of the earlier and later Doctors' personalities.

>>84924922
Not much else to work with unless they get Alex Kingston. And even she divides the fandom.

>>84924888

that is the reason he can't go back and undo his actions, that would create a paradox and it is something every timetravel story has to deal with, it's nothing exclusive to Doctor Who.

This is something completely different - he wouldn't be telling his other self what to do, he wouldn't create any paradoxes.

>>84919389
>Homo sapiens. What an inventive, invincible species. It's only a few million years since they crawled up out of the mud and learned to walk. Puny, defenceless bipeds. They've survived flood, famine and plague. They've survived cosmic wars and holocausts. And now, here they are, out among the stars, waiting to begin a new life. Ready to outsit eternity. They're indomitable. Indomitable.

>>84924008
Animated Paternoster adventures, for CBBC

>>84923588
The location they filmed on was literally cursed. The director's wife stole some arrowheads from the location, and it led to some weird shit like several crewmembers getting sick out of nowhere and Lis Sladen almost dying in a boat crash.

>>84921853
The nanogene thing was also logical enough for you to figure out before they tell you.

>>84925021

>Doctor: Hi, do you mind dropping me off at that Madame de Pompadour spaceship?

>Doctor: Why?

>Doctor: No reason.

>Doctor: Fuck off then.

He doesn't even need to tell him. All he needs to know is that "when I look like David Tennant, I will one day lose the TARDIS and need to jack a lift to the Madame de Pompadour - and boom, when he gets there, he'll remember he needed a lift there.

>>84925107
It wasn't "Literally" cursed.

>>84924008

sextape of Rory's and Amy's wedding night.

>>84923940
Plot convenience innit. In other stories, the Doctor would click his sonic screwdriver and summon the TARDIS. Or it'd for some reason dematerialise and lock on to him because plot needs it.

>>84924957

The problem with BvS is that Batman slaughters people without need and Superman hates saving people. It's nothing to do with them being fallible. In fact, not entirely sure you know what that word means.

>>84925204
Also,"Martha!"

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>>84919682
DELETE this

>>84925144

exactly what I meant. There are three Doctors in one TARDIS in DOTD and it's ok.

>>84924957
Definitely a good read on audience expectations, but 12's actions weren't why I hated Hell Bent. I could've lived with and probably loved the episode if the end wasn't so shite.

>>84924642
>he waits for 200 years until he does

a) millions of different things could happen to him in that time frame, including permanent death
b) the world is fucking huge. the Doctor could easily miss Jack.
c) even assuming he survives, and even assuming he decides to chill somewhere Jack might logically decide to end up, if he somehow found a way back from Sat 5 (i.e, the Rift), he didn't know any of that when he abandoned Rose and Mickey in the 25th century.

When he bailed on Mickey and Rose, he had no idea if or when he'd be able to get back. Moffat writes the Doctor as a massive cunt.

>>84924925
I liked the Pyrovile or whatever. The monster from Midnight would be brilliant as well but it might spoil the ambiguity of Midnight.

>>84920926
Natural History of Fear.

>>84925245
>>84925245

Yes, but then you've got a paradox - when 10 arrives at the MdP for the first time, he will remember the fact that he will be separated from the TARDIS there, thus changing the sequence of events.

Or you've got the even bigger paradox - why don't they just pull this shit all the time? If they can meet each other with no space-time tears in reality, why aren't they constantly leaving each other post-its? Do they like letting people suffer and die? There's literally no excuse not to. "Oh, we must respect the laws of space and time...when we feel like it." What then?

>>84920926
Anything by Paul Magrs. The level of camp will keep you from getting bored.

Canonically, how big is the TARDIS? If it endless?
We know there's a swimming pool, changing room/wardrobe, beds etc. But was it ever confirmed how big it is? Also, what other rooms and stuff are in there that I didn't mention?

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>>84925561
This big.

>>84925561
There's a book called "Shroud of Sorrow" where Clara finds a sauna and makes a mental note to return to it one day.

>>84925561
At least 1 garage, workshop , zero room. The room that exists out of time.

Jimmy Carr and Rachel Riley confirmed as new Doctor and companion. Jo Brand will be an extra companion, filling the Nardole role the BBC picked up on as pleasing to the fans.

>>84925780
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006q2x0/comedian/jimmycarr/%rachelriley/ex_bake_off_spinoff_jobrand
Fuck me it's actually true

>>84925780
>no susie dent

The new Doctor will be this independent stage actress known as X'andria Nigglesby, a 75-year-old black transwoman with several colostomy bags that occasionally break during filming. Her companion will be played by a pygmy eunuch named Zindi. No last name is recorded for Zindi.

>>84925204
BvS has more problems than just characterization--I was focusing on the character one.

When I say infallible, I mean in terms of being a perfect ideal. Batman is meant to stay at his code of non-killing, as an ideal of justice. Superman is a paragon of caring and goodness.

But in BvS, Batman has lost his code, because he's a normal man, who becomes weary and cynical after his Robin died (BvS fails by never actually making that point clear, besides one quick image of Robin's costume.) Superman is a normal man, who is trying to navigate how to save people in a world where morality isn't clear, and figure out his responsibility to the world (BvS fails here for two reasons. One, it says Superman is just a man trying to do good, but the last movie said Superman is genetically destined to bring people into the sun. There's a middle ground there, but because we never got a MoS 2, the movie doesn't have the background to get there.)

Both Batman and Superman are trying to find themselves between the symbols and who they actually are, but the concepts are too scatterred, and the execution is too sloppy (Lex's motivation is partially due to seeing Superman as a symbol instead of as a man, but his actual speeches are so spastic and"i just passed Semiotics 101" that you might never understand it. I could explain it, but it's very convoluted.)

BvS's Batman and Superman are both more complex than "Batman slaughters people without need and Superman hates saving people." The problem is that the movie's execution of complexities was legitimately sloppy. Also, the fight scene was forced into the plot, and destroyed the character dynamics.

>>84925266
There were more reasons than 12's actions for people to dislike Hell Bent. I was just describing one reason.

>>84925827
Rumours abound about Dent being the Master.

>>84925868
I watched hell bent and liked it because I thought the doctor could act like that if he was angry

>>84924008
Clara teaches us how to make souffles for 800 episodes.

>>84925945
Which is perfectly valid, and means you probably see the Doctor as a morally fallible person, who might break his code out of extreme anger. Others would see the Doctor doing that as against his morals, and that he never would.

>>84926042
> never would

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzmnPs64K74

>People got mad at Bradley playing 1 and Cyberbrig
So would people be offended if anyone from SJA came back as companion?

>>84925780
>Jimmy Carr blasting hordes of Daleks with a huge laser cannon while doing his laugh
>WHAHAHAHAHAHA-HAAAAAAA
>Riley fainting in his arms while doing calculations
>Jo Brand in the background asking Jimmy if she can borrow the laser cannon to kill her husband

Please, just for comic relief or something, make this happen

Can we get David Mitchell as The Master?

>>84925993
Yeah, Clara is a Forrest Gump-girl. "My momma allwys said life is like souffle".
I would like Clara better if she was rearded and the whole impossible girl was just a way to call her special

>>84926219
Joe Wilkinson eating five scotch eggs as he watches the horror occur, choking on one and regenerating into Denters

>>84926288
Stop projecting anon

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>>84926249
"So, Doctor, as you can see, you'll have to come with me or my friend Jezza here will have to do something... quite unpleasant. Oh dear, I'm really not very good at this, am I?"

>>84926042
I think the difference with the Doctor is that he isn't the same guy all the time, like Batman. He regenerates and have a much wider span of personality. THE Doctor is some kind of Meta personality that is common for all doctors, or att least a good part of them. And I would say that that is a fallible person with a good will and a press to live up to expectations.

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>post yfw 12 meets Susan this Christmas

>>84926340
>For Series 11, The Master has a companion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xyBfmknRLA

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>>84926425

>>84926501
I don't see how 8's regen is edgy

>>84926381
Funnily enough, the "ideal" of Batman has changed many times, and so has his personality.

But yeah, THE Doctor is an overall ideal about the Doctor, that each Doctor has to deal with.

(Right now, I'm writing a story where people are taken over by a mind virus that turns them into "the Doctor." It's been fun to deal with different versions of what the Doctor is, through that story.)

>>84926563
>Will it hurt?
>Yes.
>Good!

>>84919062
Get the fuck out of here with your tumblr fanfic shit

>>84926563
Some grognards just hate everything about NuWho and take every opportunity to bash on it.

>>84926597
Should've specified I meant 7 to 8

>>84926650
Oh fuck knows. The creator obviously has a bias against anything Doctor Who related made after 1989.

>>84926501
>implying that 11 didn't embrace change
>implying 12's regen sickness wasn't like 6
>implying that 10's fear of regeneration wasn't a direct consequence of John Smith, even mimicking the exact same phrase, "I don't want to go"
>implying that 10's fear wasn't similar to 2's fear

funny video though

>>84926687
Plus five wasn't exactly thrilled with dying
>Is this... death?

>>84926687
10's fear of regeneration was a consequence of John Smith?

>>84926687
>implying that 10's fear wasn't similar to 2's fear
It wasn't. 2 was scared because he was going into exile on Earth. 10 was scared because he was a poorly written pussy with an uncharacteristically large ego.

>>84926891
I guess they mean the John Smith stuff humanized him so much that he felt more human than timelord

>>84926951
>2 was scared
he wasn't scared, more angry and annoyed at the Time Lords meddling with him

>>84927020
Ah, that makes some sense

>>84926951
>10 was scared because he was a poorly written pussy with an uncharacteristically large ego.

10 was someone who thought he had escaped death, and found out he hasn't. He had just had to re-kill his kind. He's lost everything, and now, he found out he has to lose his short-lived time in this personality. He isn't a "pussy"--he's someone who wants the universe to give him just one reward. And he knows he won't. He knows as soon as it's his life versus Wilf's, Wilf is gonna live.

He lost Martha, Rose, Donna. He will die alone. He will die with not even a century to his personality. He deserved so much more.

>>84926951

I meant that 2 was afraid of regenerating because it was something out of his control and against his will. And 2's forced regeneration is something that affects the Doctor for the rest of his life.

>>84926891

Yes. Brainlets today still haven't put the pieces together. John Smith considers turning into the Doctor to the death of his being. The language that John Smith uses is the same that 10 later uses when he tells Wilf about regenerating, like the whole other man walking away bit. Clearly the John Smith experience was so traumatic that it manifested again when he was about to regenerate. John Smith said "I don't want to go" first.

>>84927020

No, I mean the change. Watch Human Nature/Family of Blood again. John Smith says that opening the stop watch would destroy him and has a mental break down because of all the things that he would never be able to do like mary Joan (?) and have a family. It's not a coincidence that the Doctor starts moaning about all the things he could do but can't because of regeneration.

>>84927119
Who's to say he didn't have offscreen adventures for a century?

>>84927200
Even a century is short. Sure, he might have. But it's somewhat unlikely.

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What's 13 gonna wear? Wouldn't mind a return of the question marks myself.

>>84927200

Because of RTD and Moffat's insistence on keeing his age in nuwho consistent. They keep saying that he's lying about his age yet the show treats his age as a fact. Like when the War Doctor insists on knowing what 11's age is despite the Doctor being the one person who should know that his age is an arbitrary number. Or River Song asking the Doctor's age as if its a real indicator of time. The age keeps going up in a consistent basis so when 10 says that he's aging 1 year per season then he probably was.

>>84927260
White fedora with red question marks on it.

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What about pic related as 13?

>>84927355
He's 54, I don't think they'll go for an older Doctor - it'll probably be someone young.

That being said, I'd love him in the role. His version of Inspector Goole was very good.

>>84927355
He might be a more refined Doctor.

>>84927260
I always liked the absurd description for Battlefield's future Merlin Doctor; "Unruly red hair, tatty embroidered Afghan coat, floppy hat of brown felt, saffron Katmandu bandanna, mustard yellow waistcoat over a crumpled white dress shirt, open toed sandals, socks and bracelets".

>>84927308
But 11 stated in "Amy's Choice" that he was around 900 years old, and by the time we get to 12, he's said multiple times that he's 2,000 years old. What did he do in between those years?

>>84927555
200 years between leaving Amy and Rory for the first time and getting "killed" at Lake Silencio. The other 900 years were spent on Trenzalore.

>>84927555
In series 7 he said a thousand and something I think.

>>84927555
The answer is that there are 2 other incarnations between 11 and 12, that only the Doctor knows about.

Also, remember that Eleven spent a 1000 years on Trenzalore.

>>84927555
At the end of that series he's 1200.

Then he spends about 900 years give or take defending Trenzalore.

Have you watched the show at all?

>>84927555
The whole Trenzalore thing, and he travelled for about 200 years before the impossible astronaut

>>84927555

Trenzalore. If you don't know what that is yet then finish 11's run.

>>84927604

In oldwho the Doctor's age actually was inconsistent and in constant question. Romana even tells him that he's lying about his age at one point. In nuwho the characters all treat the Doctor's age as a fact.

>>84927597
>>84927610
>>84927617
>>84927625
Fuck, forgot about Trenzalore. Thanks.

Is anyone else not a big fan of how Moffat added huge chunks of time to the Doctor's life? It makes Ten seem a lot less significant when he only lived for about 5 years, while Eleven lived for something like 1100 years.

>>84927761

I just like to think ten is a massive liar and spent quite a few years off-screen between companions, allowing fo non-cannon shit to fill in the gaps.

>>84927761

I don't mind it because the Doctor shouldn't actually be 1000 years old. He was over 1000 when he was 4 and regenerations shouldn't last 4 years. Moffat was fixing something that RTD fucked up. But still, keeping it consistent instead of a fluctuating number is retarded. 8 forgot his age and started at 1 again, yet IDRIS in the Doctor's Wife claims that they've only been travelling for 900 or so years. If the Doctor is lying about his age and Idris is confused due to timey wimey, why do they come up with the same numbers?

>>84926501
The narrative of the new series isn't anti-change; it portrays change as a necessary process that can still be difficult and painful.

>>84926501
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT4XNDohVT0

>>84927902
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukH8dCpLMN4

LOL
O
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>>84927902
Why do I get the feeling this guy edits Tardis Data Core?

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Is this any good?

>>84927902
>>84927944
Is it time to link chlamydiamagic's entire catalogue now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgOeVxjRUX4

>>84928000
The first one is pretty good. Most of it is mediocre.

>>84928032
I watched the trailer and was hoping it wasn't all just:
>Doctor you have to help us.
>Don't call me The Doctor REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>84928079
It's pretty much that.

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How is this? I need more Nardie in my life.

>>84928018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0DfuhREAds&t=4s

I would just like to say, Bill Hartnell's doctor is based as fuck.

>>84928133
why is he so tanned

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>>84928177
>>84928177
>>84928177

>>84928196
3 posts early

>>84928165
>He is turning into a Sontaran

>>84928196

NO! I WILL NOT MIGRATE! NEVER AGAIN!

Well I haven't been last of the /who/lords for some time. Feels good to get it again.