/who/ - Doctor Who General - Moffat Is The Worst Thing To Happen

>>84875825
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOUR FACE

Moffat is literally the best thing to happen to nuwho.

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>>84875844
fuck u buddy

>>84875825
That seen was honestly fucking terrifying for me when it aired...

>>84875825
literally nightmare-tier along with Wallace and Gromit and the Curse of the Ware-Rabbit, poor 8 year old me

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>>84875862
holy shit

this is the full photo

Caro Skinner literally was ERASED

PROOF

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Utterly terrifying then for some reason, laughable now.

Just fucking reveal 13 or cancel the show already

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>>84875940
lane kteuzt

Reminder Moffat has written the best episode of every series of NuWho.

>Series 1: Empty Child/Doctor Dances
>Series 2: Girl In The Fireplace
>Series 3: Blink
>Series 4: Silence In The Library/Forest Of The Dead
>Series 5: The Pandorica Opens
>Series 6: A Christmas Carol
>Series 7: Name Of The Doctor
>Series 8: Listen
>Series 9: Heaven Sent
>Series 10: The Doctor Falls

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moff genius

>>84875991
Your point still stands, but

>Series 10: Doctor Falls

Nah mate. It's World Enough and Time.

>>84875991
World Enough and Time is better than The Doctor Falls
your point still stands but this correction needs to change

>>84875825
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0208qdt
The commentary for this episode is so fucking comfy. They just chat about taking over from RTD and Yartek, leader of the alien Voord instead of the actual episode.

>>84875991
Series 1: The Empty Child
Series 2: The Impossible Planet
Series 3: Gridlock
Series 4: The Stolen Earth
Series 5: The Pandorica Opens
Series 6: The Impossible Astronaut
Series 7: The Bells of Saint John
Series 8: Mummy on the Orient Express
Series 9: Heaven Sent
Series 10: Thin Ice

No he hasn't

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>>84876045
>Series 10: Thin Ice

>>84876045
>Series 3: Gridlock
haha
>Series 4: The Stolen Earth
HAHAHAHAHA fucking kill yourself
>Series 10: Thin Ice
literally jump of a bridge right now

>>84876027
>>84876033
World Enough And Time was good but The Doctor Falls was better. 12 was barely in WEAT and it relied to much on the reveal of Simm.

>>84876066
Woah anon, imagine people having different opinions

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>>84876045
>>Series 4: The Stolen Earth

>>84875991
>>Series 4: Silence In The Library/Forest Of The Dead
But Silence is literally just 5 irritating fucks stood around in a Library set talking at each other while some shadows appear and then a scooby doo skeleton appears

>>84876086
90+ AI score
9.1/10 IMDB score
8.78m

Looks like im not the only one to seriously fucking enjoy it

>>84876102
It sets a tone, and provides a lot of exposition. The benefit of a two parter is that you have more time to do this.

Maybe ratings have been low because they decided to take a whole fucking year off without making up for it with quarterly specials like they fucking should have

>>84876132
It's still shit though. Bland direction, annoying characters, River at her most irritating, 10 also quite irritating, a boring as fuck plot

The best bits are Dr Moon and Donna's simulation life

>>84876125
And yet Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead has a higher IMDb score and the second part isn't a total shitfest.
The only reason the AI is so high is all the god damn fanservice and the viewing figure is so high because it's the finale and all the Rose baiting.

>>84876102
And? Pyramids of Mars is basically just running back and forth between two boring locations while being chased by some top-heavy mummy robots. Both are top-tier, classic Dr Who.

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>>84876146
Nah, ratings were dropping before the 2016 break

>>84876125
>AI
>IMDB
kek

>>84876173
>Silence in the Library
>classic Dr Who
kek

>>84876187
thinking Silence in the Library is better than Stolen Earth, keeeek

>>84876187
And yet series 9 c.uckolds use IMDB as a defence that it's anything above garbage tier

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>>84876158
>It's still shit though.

>>84876215
Nice defence

>>84876070
The Doctor Falls was not better. It was good, but had the ending with Starfu knocks it down a few points for lazy writing.

Why does it matter that 12 was barely in WEAT? 10 was barely in Blink. WEAT works for the horror aspect, bringing a form of Spare Parts to TV. It dabbled with interesting sci-fi concepts and was thought-provoking. I don't think it relied on the Simm reveal, and knowing he was in it (and knowing Cybermen were in it) didn't detract from it's quality. Call me retarded but it took me till he entered the room where Missy was hacking the computer to realise he was Razor.

>>84876227
Don't go pretending your argument was any better for saying 'its bland its annoying its shit' pal. I can't refute what you're saying if you aren't saying jack shit, so I'll just laugh.

>>84876187
IMDB is good enough for Series 9 fans to use as a defence tho, hmm, double standards

>>84876158
>Library River is more irritating than River circa Series 6
Defend this opinion

>>84876197
thinking Stolen Earth is better than Silence in the Library, keeeek

>>84876249
ye but silence in the library is shit-tier anon

>>84876146
Yeah. No idea why they didn't do a few episodes with the Doctor and Nardole alone. Would've warmed everyone to Nardole and allowed for some good interactions, as well as making 2016 not boring.

>>84876277
It is tho.

It's one of 10's worst episodes.

Since when did IMDB scores mattered in anything?

You might as well be citing wikipedia

>>84875991
So he is a great episode writer.
But a shitty showrunner

If someone else takes over I will definitely look forward to his episodes in which he has to tell a whole story and not just set up shit without payoff.

Don't tell the others, they'll only laugh.

>>84876317
they're always needed when series 9 cucks need to defend that shitfest of a series

>>84876277
>thinking Stolen Earth is better than Silence in the Library
In retrospect it kinda is

They set up the doctor's name and River
Both of which had shitty payoff.

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Me on the right.

>>84876239
The ending was fine though. Also all the stuff with Bill realizing she's a Cybermen and coming to terms with that was far better than any of the Cybermen stuff in WEAT.

Reminder. The library has been breached. Others are coming. Reminder. The library has been breached. Others are coming. Reminder. The library has been breached. Others are coming. Reminder. The library has been breached. Others are coming. Reminder. The library has been breached. Others are coming. Reminder. The library has been breached. Others are coming.

Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved. Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved. Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved. Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved. Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.

Hey, who turned out the lights? Hey, who turned out the lights? Hey, who turned out the lights? Hey, who turned out the lights? Hey, who turned out the lights? Hey, who turned out the lights? Hey, who turned out the lights? Hey, who turned out the lights? Hey, who turned out the lights?

>not annoying

Defend this

>>84876346
But it really isn't. Stop this meme.

will ratings be better next season? should the beeb do a real proper viral marketing campaign with cybermen in the streets and shit?

>>84876353
>reminder that adam is growing out his hair to be like capaldi

>>84876353
when did pcaps wear that in S10?

>>84876353
Lucy Crewe a qt.
>>84876384
>hair

>>84876356
No it wasn't. She was set up to be able to travel through space and time, and her appearing through Bill's tears was fine, but being able to pluck the mashed-up remains of bill from inside the Cyberman and restoring her to life, then being able to go back to the TARDIS (which the Pilot implied she couldn't do) is not fine at all. My Dad is a classic Doctor Who fan, as well as a NuWho one, and he seems to have good taste in episodes. When this bit happened he just said "What is going on..?"

The stuff with Bill is pretty good yes, but why do you think it's better than any of that sort of stuff in WEAT?

>>84876362
I know, it's pretty bad. I mean, Doctor Who villains have literally NEVER shouted repetitive, memorable phrases for dramatic effect before in the past. What was he thinking?

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>>84876353
>no tracksuit-fu

KILL ME LADS

why did marthas entire character arc revolve around rose? she could have been a fantastic companion but she was always in the shadow of rose. literally every episode they had to mention her and then she fucking left because 10 didn't care about her. wow, great fucking arc RTD. fuck you!

>>84876472
that wasnt intentional. RTD was just sad rose was gone and pissed off that they got some animal to replace her

>>84876449
Silence in the Library takes the fucking biscuit tho

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x21zeqi

39:12 onwards

>>84876472
>literally every episode they had to mention her
Not literally every episode.

And in the third episode, Martha even brought it up. "Ever heard of the word rebound?"

will the next doctor be fun? Or will the whole show be more edgy tryhard shit?

I miss when this show was fun

>>84876494
40:00 to the cliffhanger is literally unbearable

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>/who/ presents:
DOCTOR WHO: SHIT TRIPS Vol. 2
- The Anthology -

>Are you a true fan of Doctor Who?
>Have you ever written down a sequence of words?

If the answer is yes or no, then you are ready to contribute a literary masterpiece to the second /who/ collection of original Doctor Who-based short fiction.

/who/ did it once. Now, we're gonna do it again! Yet another entry in an age-old tradition of p̶a̶c̶k̶a̶g̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶f̶a̶n̶f̶i̶c̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶g̶e̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶g̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶m̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶a̶i̶r̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶l̶e̶g̶i̶t̶i̶m̶a̶c̶y̶ / celebrating the magic of Who and the talent of a community.

There are no limits (except the story must be at least 1 word long, and preferably not in excess of 10,000, it's short fiction you fuck).

>- Can involve any Doctor(s), companion(s), side characters, spinoff characters and beyond, as your heart desires
>- Can be in any style, whether it's "legitimate writing", "pisstake", or "shitpost".
>- Can be about absolutely anything
>- The main focus is on good fun in the vein of the wiki, although serious entries are allowed. (If you're going to write smut, maybe approach it with a degree of levity)

Stuck for ideas? Try starting with your favourite TARDIS team (or for timeliness, 12/Bill “I'm a lesbian” Potts) and one of these authentic titles:
http://www.saberpunk.net/DoctorWho/DoctorWhoSerialGenerator.php
https://glyphobet.net/drwho
And free scenario prompts:
http://games.usvsth3m.com/drwho/

We are going to be starting an index on the wiki for the collection. Anyone can contribute, no signups/pitches required. If you have ideas, feel free to broadcast them.
The rest is self-explanatory. Format for uploading your work is up to you, as long as it can be conveniently copied across (and ideally don't spam long texts in /who/ directly). (Pastebin works well.)

BONUS: Anyone who wants to do cover art or "illustrations" is encouraged.

Midnight > Turn Left > Library > Finale

>>84876494
Fucking retard.

>>84876566
Dubs confirm.

>>84876548
donnanobulhazleftthulibrary donnanobulhazbinsayvhd donnanobulhazleftthulibrary donnanobulhazbinsayvhd donnanobulhazleftthulibrary donnanobulhazbinsayvhd donnanobulhazleftthulibrary donnanobulhazbinsayvhd donnanobulhazleftthulibrary donnanobulhazbinsayvhd

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>>84875825

Why even bother watching moffat pleb tier when you can literally dive into a Doctor Who goldmine of good writing?

>>84876598

>listening to things without visual

This isnt the 1940's, I need visual stimulation

>>84876523
>I miss when this show was fun
2005-2010 was ultimate funkino

>>84876566
>repetition is annoying
>midnight is a great episode

I give you a few seconds to think about that one.

>>84876626
You're annoying.

>>84876438
>but being able to pluck the mashed-up remains of bill from inside the Cyberman and restoring her to life, then being able to go back to the TARDIS (which the Pilot implied she couldn't do) is not fine at all. \
Why? It's not any crazier than stuff we've seen in other finales. Rose became a literal god in S1. And the tardis thing was before they saved her in the pilot tbf.

>but why do you think it's better than any of that sort of stuff in WEAT?
The best part of the Cybermen is the human element which basically all of the previous NuWho Cybermen besides Death In Heaven were missing. But nobody cared about Danny so it was shit. The horror is nice too but imo the human element is better so I enjoyed WEAT more.

>>84875991
>>Series 4: Silence In The Library/Forest Of The Dead
>>Series 5: The Pandorica Opens
>>Series 6: A Christmas Carol
>>Series 7: Name Of The Doctor
>>Series 8: Listen
Except for these.

>>84876523
the next showrunner wrote torchwood so take that for what you will

>>84876687
>the next showrunner wrote torchwood
Yes, 10 years ago.

>>84876701
and it's only gotten worse with age

>>84876523
>I miss when this show was fun
Dinos on a Spaceship was Moffat's brief, but Chibnall made it funkino. 42 was average but had some fun ideas. Power of Three was GOAT until the ending. Chibnall will be good.

>>84875172
>That's it. Rose is in love with him, and looks up to him, which isn't the same thing.


rose literally fought the laws of time to come back and try and travel with him again. she definitely worshipped him m8.

>>84876716
Like Torchwood means anything. Moffat wrote Empty Child in 2005, then shit like Wedding of River Song in 2012 and dogshit like Death in Heaven in 2014

>>84876740
>rose literally fought the laws of time to come back and try and travel with him again. she definitely worshipped him m8.
Because Pete's World saw the effects of the reality bomb, meaning she had to try and contact the Doctor somehow. It isn't like she just dimension hopped just to shag him again.

>>84876173

They're both shit, actually, for those exact reasons. If you have to spend an entire episode explaining the next episode, you've made a bad episode.

>>84876214
>>84876251
I've never used imdb as a defence.

chibshills pls go

we all know he's going to be bad, no amount of shilling for his mediocre doctor who output will change that.

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>>84876620

>>84876838
it's okay anon

When they announced Moffat in 2008, I thought his Doctor Who would be GOAT. It was, for SERIES 5. Then he wrote absolute fucking dogshit and ran a shambles of a show for way too long.

>>84876649
I think the ending of series 1 is a bit pants too. Being no worse than other finales doesn't make it good.

The exploration of Bill's humanity only goes so far. Most of the time it's just normal Bill, with an occasional shot of the Cyberman. It's not exploring the human element really. I feel WEAT explores this a lot better anyway - we see how they have to be quietened and their emotions repressed - you see they're normal people like Bill but slowly get "tamed" .

The rest of the Cybermen in the Doctor Falls are your generic cannon-fodder anyway.

I assume you're the guy saying TDF is better than WEAT?

Tom Spilsbury, the editor of Doctor Who Magazine for twenty years, is leaving the job.

Why should we care? Because DWM is the main "official" connection between the show and the fans.

>>84876838
he'll be bad, but not any worse than moffat and RTD. it'll just be a new sort of bad, which is exciting

>>84876883
Clayton Hickman was editor before Tom, successfully keeping the magazine and brand alive throughout some of the wilderness and then the RTD revival. I'm sure Marcus Hearn will make DWM as good as Hickman and Spilsbury have done in the past. It's good to change things up.

>>84875991

>Series 1: Empty Child/Doctor Dances
>Series 2: The Impossible Planet/ The Satan Pit
>Series 3: Human Nature/ Family of Blood
>Series 4: Midnight
>Series 5: Amy's Choice
>Series 6: The God Complex
>Series 7: Almost universally mediocre, so, fuck it, The Power of Three for Brian.
>Series 8: The Mummy on the Orient Express
>Series 9: Heaven Sent
>Series 10: The Pilot, for being a pretty good homage to Asian horror and having some authentic feels in it.

>>84876883
>twenty years
jesus christ, that's a long time

>Why should we care? Because DWM is the main "official" connection between the show and the fans.
I feel like that doesn't really answer your question though. why should we care? it's not like the magazine is getting cancelled.

>>84876883
Another sign of cancellation incoming

>>84876883
Could Gareth take up the reigns?

>>84876891
>he'll be bad
I love the anons who have seen Series 11 already, before it's even started production. Holy kek.

And don't forget to subscribe to the official Doctor Who YouTube channel.

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>>84876958
I'm pro-chibnall though, anon. take your keks some place else

>>84876883
To be succeeded by an already established Doctor Who fan, writer, DWM and comic contributor, Marcus Hearn.

>>84876930
>Series 10: The Pilot, for being a pretty good homage to Asian horror and having some authentic feels in it.
In what way? Legitimate question, I'm not familiar with Asian horror.

Christmas special:

In an interview with TV & Satellite, Talalay stated, "It's a tour de force. It's a fanboy's dream, it's also a beautiful and joyous script."

>fanboy's dream

>>84877019
I thought that was a weird choice of word for her too. But I guess there isn't a gender-neutral term that quite encapsulates what "fanboy" does.

>>84877019
Their definition of fanboy dream is Clara coming back

"It's a tour de shit. It's a fanwank nightmare, it's also a tired and half arsed script."

>>84877046
might have something to do with the fact that it's a multi-doctor story, anon

>>84877019
she's referring to peter

>>84875991
>>84875991
>Series 5: The Pandorica Opens
>Series 6: A Christmas Carol
>Series 7: Name Of The Doctor
>Series 8: Listen
wtf is this shit taste

>>84877019
Another shit Christmas special incoming

>>84877082
better taste than yours it seems

>>84876353

Cardiff Doctor Who FANCLUB.

First one to get a girlfriend leaves.

>>84877010
The qt ghost girl was somewhat reminiscient of the Ring and the Grudge ghosts--both ghost derived from Japanese horror films and folklore.

SOMEONE POST THE BLIND WAVE PARTING OF THE WAYS REACTION

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>>84877110
yeah, all the patrician's love fucking NotD

>>84877046
Well it's close to a fanboy's dream; cumming on Clara's back.

>>84877161
name a better S7 episode

>>84877183
Hide.

>>84877183
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship.

>>84877195
>>84877197
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>84877183
Dinosaurs on a Plebship

>>84877019
she's talking about the first doctor j

>>84877167
I'd rather cum on her tits desu

>>84877183
good point, they're all shit. just randomly pick one though and it's still probably better than Name of the Nothing Fucking Happens

>>84877082
>not liking christmas carol
it was comfykino

>>84875991
Sad when the only good episode of a series is the Christmas fucking special, seperated from the main series

Jesus Christ. Doctor who has worse special effects than Goosebumps. On top of that, its writing is absolutely horrible. Who watches this crap besides children who are home sick from school?

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>>84877280

>>84877183

I don't know. The ones where they went traveling across America were pretty good. No wait that's S Club 7. Never mind ... :-s

>>84877183
Inferno

Okay, /who/.

Who's the most underrated companion? And why?

>>84877183

I don't know. The ones where they went travelling across America were pretty good. No. Wait. That's S Club 7. Never mind ... :-s

>>84877365
nardie

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If you could make one significant change to the show, what would it be?

Personally, I think mine would be some sort of long-term contract with Jim Henson's Creature Shop.

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>>84877302
>the kid imagined the monster to be as tall as a double decker bus
fixed

>>84877365
Nyssa the QT of Traken

>>84877400
Cancelling it.

>>84877400
Replace Tom Baker at the end of the Key to Time series.

>>84877458
Why waste your change on something that's inevitable, anon?

>>84877400
Tennant is naked for his entire run :^)

>>84877386
It's hilarious how quickly Nardole became everyone's favorite.

>>84877433
No need to explain. It's because she's the best.

>>84877400
every female character that is between the ages of 18 and 30 is naked the entire time

>>84877514
apart from Melanie Bush

Alright so series 11 stuff is starting to happen at the Beeb

13 has been cast (of course by this point) no clue who it is but they ain't really famous, mostly done stage work and such. Likely won't be a TV reveal like with 12.

Some drafts of episode 1 are floating about for the set designs/costume designs. Episode was originally called 'Hotel Paradiso' but Chibbers changed it to 'Death in Paradiso' to poke fun at the Kris rumours. From what designs I have seen, it's a future looking resort. Seems in post regeneration haze the Doctor decides to 'go on vacation' to this resort and shenanigans unfold. New companion not yet cast.

right in the feels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8rFh_G9KV8

>>84877543
fuck off with your fakespoilerspam, fag

we all know episode 1 of series 11 is called PETER CRAPALDI HAS LEFT THE BUILDING HOORAY THANK FUCK

>>84877433
+1, would've been interesting to have seen Tegan leave instead in Terminus and Nyssa be the one who ends up leaving in Resurrection.

>>84877514
Including if they're playing feminine aliens. Wood tits and Chantho tits please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3QSBO98Avo

>>84875991
>Dalek
>The Satan Pit
>The Family of Blood
>Midnight
>Amy's Choice
>The God Complex
>Hide
>Listen
>Heaven Sent
>World Enough and Time
Eh, that's 3/10 not bad.

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>>84877528
I N C L U D I N G M E L

https://twitter.com/typicalmadness_/status/884739615470612481

Amazing how removing Murray Gold's music from a scene improves it tenfold.

>>84877723
God, that's kino.

>>84877723
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVTg3zNae3A

>>84877778
still a shit scene desu

>>84877799
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AHDFztrHwY

So who is actually going to be the next Doctor, because I'd rather not have Kris Marshall or Phoebe Waller Bridge

>>84877827
this one is actually worse without the music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F84WapAH7M

>>84877010
>>84877133

Dark Water's probably the closest point of comparison - it's about a mother and child being haunted by the ghost of a drowned girl. The idea of a person, as opposed to a house or place, being haunted/ cursed is a pretty common trope in Asian horror (Shutter, Ringu, Ju-on) and so is the gaunt, pale ghost who died in tragic circumstances. There were a few hints and suggestions that Heather was suicidal - always wanting to "leave"/ "escape" etc, which evoked the kind of trauma ghosts represent.

Does /who/ actually like Nardole or is this some kind of hyper ironic love?

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>>84877879
lay the fuck off him cunt he's GOAT

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>>84877879
Nardole is unironically GOAT

/who/ You are about to regenerate. The TARDIS is in flight. Where do you land to spend your final few minutes as you?

>>84877873
I think what's interesting is that Heather, as of Doctor Falls, feels much more relaxed, and calmer, than she was before. I get the feeling that traveling around the universe (and killing people in the games, plus that one time in a toilet) has done a good job for her psyche.

>>84877827
Best scene of all time. I cried like a bitch.

>>84877994
Karen Gillan's bedroom.

>>84877994
I go peep on jenna coleman undressing

>>84877994
Daft Punk's Alive 2007 concert

Then I can make it even more rad by fucking exploding into light in the middle of the crowd

>>84877994
I fly into a burning center of an exploding star.

Give my next me a doozy to work with. I don't care, cause I'm gonna be gone.

When 11 regenerates, he literally takes down a Dalek ship with the volcanic burst.

When 10 regenerates, he literally explodes the TARDIS console.

It's a fuckin' good job nobody just wandered up next to him. Imagine if Clara had just wandered to the top of the clocktower and then been BTFO'd in the fucking face kek

>>84878068
>Imagine if Clara had just wandered to the top of the clocktower and then been BTFO'd in the fucking face kek
wouldve been a better exit than fucking hell bent

>>84877994
Jenna's bedroom

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>>84878082
But anon Hell Bent was GOAT. You just have bad taste.

>>84878133
the only good thing about hell bent was seeing clara in that sexy diner outfit

>>84878034
I think you win this one. Although:

>13 wakes up

>the rock concert stage has burnt to the ground

>Daft Punk's all confused, but still rocking

>FBI helicopters are converging on 13

>FBI says "Aren't you...that Puddle girl

>>84878141
Wish her skirt was a bit shorter though. Imagine her bending over and giving a brief glimpse of arse...

Think we can red pill her /who/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY7g7jvQHB8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmr-dnR2Yh4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9hWGn8Kp3Q

2 Dr Whos have had an affect at the south pole

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/09/climate/antarctica-rift-update.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

>>84878133
i want to _hug jenna

>>84878182
*effect

>>84878179
What is red pill in the world of /who/?

>>84878179
I tried and failed.

>>84878133
I want to fug Jenna

>>84878204
doctor who has no redpills, only blackpills

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>>84878171
this desu

>>84878218
Ok, then it will be hard to red pill her I guess. How about blackpill her then?

>>84878161

I want 12 to regenerate right after doing a rad guitar riff or something

/who/! you wake up and have a call from Chris Chibnall asking how to best boost ratings for series 11, what do you tell him?

>>84878251
Put it on later and have a sexy companion who gets her tits out.

>>84878251
Cancel the show and come back to it in 15 years.

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>>84878179
>Mentally ill daywalker

With holy water.

>>84878171
Your wording is a bit creepy.

>>84878245
I agree. Guitar is an important part of being Twelve.

>>84878251
Cast Natalie Dormer. Also, increase the marketing.

>>84878227
>no photoshops which remove her tights

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Found this online /who/, how do you think this was made. Apparently it's a photo but I don't think so.

>>84878179
Looks like she's slowly doing that herself.

>>84878179
she seems reasonable and fine, why are you picking out her?

>>84876472
>she could have been a fantastic companion
Not with Freema playing her she couldn't.

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>>84878305
it's fake, unlike this image

>>84878302
A crime. All we have is some shitty trace-over with a paint tool.

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>>84878294

>>84877723
what song is that?

>>84877778
I think it works well when he's walking to the TARDIS, but once he's inside the silence starts to become a bit much.

Also, I've only just realised, Tennant's the only Doctor to regenerate on their own (besides Hurt).

>>84877879
>>84877971
If nardole had been axed and his screentime given to Bill, then this season would have gotten on a lot better.

Instead we have a generic tumblerina with no characterization or significant features who only becomes interesting moments before she """"dies""""

>>84878435
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCaPc6iGzng

>>84878435
>Also, I've only just realised, Tennant's the only Doctor to regenerate on their own (besides Hurt).
which was a mistake desu
having a dialogue pre/post-regeneration is a lot more interesting than the utter silence tennant had until he simply utters "i dont wanna go"

>>84878338
>G-Grandfather-san, I-I found these Earth clothes. D-Do you like it?

>>84878435
Space Adventure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vP4xfTNSXM

>>84878477
You stop that right now

I wish they would have had that music in The Doctor Falls.

>>84878444
If Bill had been axed we would have full, unadulterated Nardy

>>84878456
>>84878500
Nice. Did Murray even try to do anything inspired by this? I've never paid much conscious attention to the scores in the show.

>>84878473
Oh I've just realised that Capaldi is almost definitely going to regenerate alone too. I guess we'll just have to get used to solo-regens whenever a showrunner changes.

Unless 1 is there to hold his hand

>>84878480
"No Adam. I wont let you drive my Audi. Now piss off"

>>84878531
What if the 12th Doctor gives the 1st Doctor his set of regenerations and dies, ending the show for good?

>>84878526
True, I would have been fine with that too.

it's just such a shame that Capaldi's last season was so mediocre, he's one of my favorite doctors.

>>84878531
Nope. I think the only track inspired by classic tracks is the actual Doctor Who theme.

And the 2014 version of the theme is the worst one ever made, if I'm honest.

>>84878584
Maybe there's a copyright issue. I understand making new themes, but when your episode is heavily linked to a specific era of the show you'd think you'd do something with the music to reflect that.

Also middle eight WHEN

>>84878634
>middle eight WHEN
I doubt it'll come back unless they start making the credits music play through the next time trailers again. The BBC don't like having the credits be long, which is the main reason the middle eight is gone from them, because both the Series 5 and Series 8 OSTs do actually have the middle eight in the theme rendition, you just never hear it on the show.

>>84878634
>Also middle eight WHEN
Whenever they make a proper Dr Who movie, probably

>>84878444
Fuck offerino

3 people tardises are the best.

>>84878754
You're right, if the companion works. Bill doesn't.

>>84878813
t. cletus

Anyone ever notice that 10 is always asleep, incapacitated, or trapped while everyone else does the work for him.

>>84878581
S10 was his best though.

>>84878833
>always asleep
One episode
>incapacitated
like 3 episodes
>trapped
like 2 episodes

>>84878860
As a character/actor? Certainly. But in terms of episode quality and overall story-arch, s10 was pretty lame, especially in comparison to s9.

>>84878996
Aside from the last two monk episodes S10 was far more consistent imo.

i actually like all of his series though so they're all pretty close for me

>>84878833
>>84878886
Why are we saying this like it's a bad thing anyway? It's far more interesting to have an imperfect Doctor who relies on others for help than to have one that is always saves the day.

>>84878813
This. Bill represents a shallow probe into what moffat and the network presumed would be their target audience's desires. It's almost as if they thought that simply making her gay and black was enough to create a rounded and engaging character.

>>84879091
because its boring

>>84876375
>will ratings be better next season? should the beeb do a real proper viral marketing campaign with cybermen in the streets and shit?

Ratings are never gonna hit the heights of the last Tennant specials. We are deluding ourselves to hope that.

5.5m average is a pretty respectable number for Spring/ Summer Saturday night TV dramas in the UK nowadays.

Hopefully, with good marketing and MOST IMPORTANTLY a Sunday evening time slot, viewing figures will increase to a very respectable 6m average for s11 in the UK. (Altho viewing figures will be shit in America, but nobody in the UK cares about American viewing figures anyway).

>>84879136
The Doctor making a speech or pressing his sonic isn't any better. At least when others save the day, they have to put their newly learnt skills to use.

>>84879076
IMO the monks were a joke, a would-be finale villain stripped of all significance and obnoxiously placed in the middle of an otherwise average season.
Also, lets not forget about Star Whale pt2 (aka thin ice.)

Imo the first half of the season was mediocre at best. It felt as if the show couldn't decide whether it wanted to maintain its old-who roots or if it wanted to move in a new and "edgy" political direction.
Even though the second-half still had Trump jokes every episode, it was more consistent in its aesthetic and the "rules" which it was willing to follow/break. I just loved how the old master unironically pulls off a mask and no one blinks an eye, classic old-who move.

>>84876979
PATRICIAN CHIBNALL

>>84879245
don't demean the beast below by grouping it with thin ice desu

>>84878826
Put your trip back on, nonce.

>>84879245
>whether it wanted to maintain its old-who roots or if it wanted to move in a new and "edgy" political direction.
>implying classic who wasn't political

it wasn't even that political though, there were some throwaway lines/jokes and that's it.

wasn't really anymore political than say the zygon episodes or kill the moon imo.

>>84876177
What retard graphic designed this

>>84879354
>bring triggered over a graph

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>>84879104
She had just as much depth as Clala did in her first year, and is just as good as the rest of the new series companions. The only reason your standards on Bill are higher is precisely because she is gay and black. I agree that Moffat didn't handle writing a gay character very well though, but probably not for the same reason you do.

>>84879291
>pretending that we live in a reality where beast below could ever possibly be considered better than thin ice
These cletuses are getting out of control! I thought they'd finally leave after on-season ended.

Has anyone tried Audiobooks Bay for Big Finish?

>>84879342
I don't mean to imply that classic who wasn't political. S10's political jokes felt like a flaccid jab at improving ratings and appealing to the younger "hip" audience. That coupled with the emoji episode, patronizing the midget, etc etc,

>>84879371
>being triggered over a 4chan post (You)

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>>84879317

>>84879391
>These cletuses are getting out of control! I thought they'd finally leave after on-season ended.
I can't tell if you people are ironic or not anymore.

>>84879422
>patronizing the midget
wait what?

>>84879459
>being triggered over being called triggered

>>84875960
Here comes the new Doctor
AND HE'S GOT A BIG KNOOOOOOOB

>>84879391
Clara had zero fucking depth in her first year. Donna demonstrated more depth in the Runaway Bride than any of Moffat's companions did in a season. Pearl Mackie's a good actress, but she couldn't redeem the shit-shocking garbage she was forced to spout.

>>84879391
>GOOD NIGHT ALT-RIGHT!

>>84879500
>Donna demonstrated more depth in the Runaway Bride than any of Moffat's companions did in a season.
lets not get carried away now

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>>84879500
>Pearl Mackie's a good actress

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>>84879520

>>84879542
He's right though. RTD was always better at writing characters.

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>>84879500
>Pearl Mackie's a good actress

>>84879542

She actually had an arc in that episode alone. She want from bossy-shouty-insufferable loudmouth to humbled and subdued and real.

>>84879566
yeah no, i don't even like moffat but that's crazy talk. rtd characters were shit. 9 was pretty good though.

>>84879543
>>84879568

Explain why she's bad. Oh wait, you can't, otherwise you wouldn't have had to rely on reaction images and greentext in place of actual ideas or opinions

:^)

>>84879566
Truth

>>84879607

Explain how. "YEAH, NO, SHIT-BAD RTD HURR" isn't an argument or even an opinion. Pro-tip: an opinion is informed and articulate, and expresses a position, or else it's just an impression.

>>84879391
No not at all. In no way am I trying to imply that Clara's first season was better than Bill's. I think that Moffat fell into the same pitfalls with both characters. Rather than using their screentime to develop personalities, arks, or whatever, he plops them straight into the action and they become accessories to the Doctor as opposed to companions.
Ultimately this leads to a situation where the Doctor becomes more interesting through his ability to replace the mundane with fantasy (and have to deal with those consequences) but the companions suffer in terms of character-depth as a result.
However, I think that Bill's status as both gay and black do draw more attention to this sort of lazy-writing, as they become the pillars of our understanding as to who she is.

>>84879616
She's bad because she's black

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this was number 1 in the charts the week of Bad Wolf / Parting of the Ways

NEVER FORGET

>>84878444
Just like every other female companion. Why change a formula that works?

>>84876743
Agree that Wedding of River Song was shit (on a re-watch it's truly awful), but I enjoyed re-watching Death in Heaven recently.

>>84879104
Bill has a natural curiosity. It's why she goes to the Doctor's lectures. She misses her mother, keeping her mother as an image in her mind. She desires connection and acceptance, which the Doctor gives. She has a trusting nature, but she's not extremely naive--she knew Missy was dangerous, and she reacted in anger at the betrayal in Lie of the Land. She questions a lot--even her statements are in the form of a question. She has faith in the Doctor, which isn't new for a companion, but she also knows when the faith has been broken, and reacts with anger at that. She's has flaws though, often making mistakes in moments of high emotional stress--she cursed the whole world for six months, and she was killed, all based on her making a snap statement . She has a lot of mental resilience (Lie of the Land and CyberBill proves that). She isn't shocked or scared by the unusual, proven by her burgeoning friendship with Nardole. Which is a difference from Clara--Clara is cute, but she's also slightly odd. There a smugness to her, a quick witted cleverness. Bill lacks Clara's guile, but replaces it with a open sincerity. Bill doesn't lie at all, (except when hiding), and quickly makes friends with everyone. That's why her death by Razor is so merciless--Bill is so honest that she openly made a friend of the weird alien dude called Razor...and got Cyberized for it. (Clara probably would have figured out Razor's lies a long time ago. Clara is a master of lies herself--she recognizes her own.) Bill never stood a chance.

I just wrote 1500+ words above about Bill, and I didn't even mention "black" or "gay" once.

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>>84875940

>>84879717
>Just like every other Moffat companion. Why change a formula that works?

>>84875991
Dalek is the best one in S1 though.

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I WILL NOT CHANGE!!

>>84879483
Episode 7 "The Pyramid at the End of the World"
The Doctor (blind) constantly refers to the little-person as beautiful, gorgeous, capable, etc, while her only role on-screen is to provide reaction shots for the Doctor's praise.

>>84878580
That'd be a pretty funny fuck you from Moffat to Chinballs.
"Write your way out of that, cunt."

>>84879468
Why was he disguised?

>>84879700
He had his cock out and no-one seemed to care...

I've always wondered; what does /who/ think of Adam Mitchell?

>>84879841
who?

>>84879826
He likes to drezz for the occasion.

>>84879841
Like every person called Adam he was a faggot

>>84879742
>curious
>good person

wow so interesting

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>>84879860

>>84879542
He is right. Even side characters had more depth than Moffats companions. Hell, even Moffats own side characters could have more depth by accident than Clara and Amy and BIll and what not.

>>84879803
>constantly refers to the little-person as beautiful, gorgeous, capable, etc,

literally didn't happen...

Queer as Folk > Broadchurch > Sherlock

RTD makes you believe that the companions are real people who have lives and families outside of the Doctor and makes you care about them too.

Maybe that's not to everyone's taste, but I liked it more than Moffat's "who cares" approach when it comes to live outside the TARDIS.

>>84879700
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvHb87IOM4s

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What we gonna do

>>84879980
I was more of a Big Fat Quiz man desu

>>84880022
You have 10 seconds to explain why this is a bad thing.

>>84879841
Annoying faggot whose absence would have had zero impact on anything, and whose comic run was utter horseshit

>>84879982

The problem is that it felt like every RTD companion had the same life outside the TARDIS.

>>84879889
>curious
>personable
>is wary of the dangers of life
>makes bad decisons under emotional pressure
>has faith in the Doctor, occasionally against her common sense
>is aware of the prejudices of her time, but isn't aware of her own prejudices toward the future and the past
>falls in love a little too easy, but loves hard
>is a low-key nerd

Again, I've listed traits that have nothing to do with "black" or "gay."
>

>>84880022
what arguments? why would they care about arguments in fan circles? wtf is this person talking about? this is retarded.

also i doubt chibnall will do much about spoilers, there's only so much you can do. its not like moffat wants stuff to leak.

>>84880022
What is DWSR?

>>84879742

Half of that is only evident in the Pilot, and the rest is mostly headcanon.

>Bill has a natural curiosity

This is a character trait. Well done. This is indeed a facet of the character's identity and personality.

>She misses her mother, keeping her mother as an image in her mind.

This is not really a character trait. The lack of confidence and security that comes from being an orphan is a character trait. Missing a dead person is just ...standard human behaviour.

>She desires connection and acceptance

Correct, as a result of being an orphan. Again, this is not capitalised beyond the first episode.

>She has a trusting nature, but she's not extremely naive

This is not a character trait. Neither is this:

>She has faith in the Doctor, which isn't new for a companion, but she also knows when the faith has been broken, and reacts with anger at that

This is just a person reacting to things. If your character trait is "she is sad, but also she is happy", then it's not a character trait. This is Bill in "plot device" mode.

>She's has flaws though, often making mistakes in moments of high emotional stress
>She has a lot of mental resilience

These essentially contradict each other. She showed no mental resilience when signing the world over to an alien race out of fear for a person she barely knew, dooming billions of people to tyranny.

>She isn't shocked or scared by the unusual

Sort of feeds back into the natural curiousity thing.

See, this is the problem. Instead of describing who she is, you've just described things she does, which happen to be the default reactions of standard human beings. You've written 1500 words on Bill Potts, about 100 of which were actually relevant, and the rest meaningless bullshit.

>>84879982
You must hate Clasic Who

>>84880061
You mean normal life?

It's insane that we are still fighting this shit.

Net neutrality is important to me because the internet, as it exists today, is important to me. While the issue is much bigger than just one website, I believe reddit has always and will always fully personify the internet as a whole -- and here is how I feel about reddit:

I love reddit. I love its infrastructure. I love its ability to impact. I love its versatility. I love its intelligence. I love its silliness. I love how it represents the entire world from every walk of life. I love its mascot. I love the popcorn drama. I love its recurring characters. I love its photoshop battles. I love how it's constant. I love how it personifies the internet age. I love the fact that it is a vehicle that allows anyone on Earth the ability to share something with potentially the entire rest of the world. I love how every person is created equal when using that vehicle, regardless of age, race, gender, IQ or wealth. I love how a lot of these attributes could be said about the internet as a whole, but arguably not without reddit. I love when a recovered heroin addict mails life saving medication to people in need via /r/opiates. I love when a guy writes a story on his lunch break in response to a question on /r/askreddit which ultimately turns into a screenplay bought by Warner Bros. I love when a guy gets help in /r/favors from a stranger to write and revise his speech to a court judge in order to reduce his sentence, and later scores a job drawing and designing at reddit hq after he gets out 7 and a half years early. I love the armies of warmhearted people in /r/suicidewatch and the like who spend their free time trying and often succeeding in saving lives. I love the incredibly talented and witty users of /r/nfl, /r/nba, /r/baseball and more -- you are literally changing the landscape of professional sports. I love "France is Bacon" I love "today you, tomorrow me." I love "risk everything." I love reddit.

>>84880022
And Time is saved

>>84880154
Inb4 people think net neutrality is bad just bcause people on reddit care about it

>>84880062
She was really bad, but after Clara and Amy it was like full color (no pun intended).

>>84880154
What is your opinion on Barbie: Mermadia

>>84880062
These aren't individual character traits though. They're necessary elements of the "companion" archetype. Almost every companion has some combination of these traits in some order.
Bill is literally just a generic companion crudely painted with the brush of 2017, used as plot device and emotional payoff.

>>84880137
The difference is that the classic who didn't have the same focus on the companions. But nuwho tries to have drama and feeling and shit with those paper cutouts.

>>84880237
yeah but my balls, they itch

>>84880112
The original charge I was dealing with was >>84879104 , which claimed that Bill was only "black and gay."

>>84880237
So what do you consider a non-generic companion?

>>84880110
A group of autistic lunatics who literally hide in bushes so they can take photos of production and post them online for internet points

tbqh rewatching the pilot, this is a fucking comfy episode and the relationship between bill and 12 here is top tier. I wish the rest of the series had this feel to it

>>84879826
So Bill didn't recognise him as her former prime minister

>>84880442
Ahh, I forgot about that mess.

>>84880112
>She has faith in the Doctor, which isn't new for a companion, but she also knows when the faith has been broken, and reacts with anger at that

>This is just a person reacting to things. If your character trait is "she is sad, but also she is happy", then it's not a character trait. This is Bill in "plot device" mode.

One way people show you who they are is by how they react. Some people would react by crying. Some would just become depressed and give up. Some would decide to give in and join the Monks.

>She's has flaws though, often making mistakes in moments of high emotional stress
>She has a lot of mental resilience
>These essentially contradict each other. She showed no mental resilience when signing the world over to an alien race out of fear for a person she barely knew, dooming billions of people to tyranny

Not necessarily. Though I admit using "resistance to a psychic attack" as a character trait is flawed, that does show a strong self-image. More accurately, she knows who she is, and won't just change under peer pressure, or influence.

However, when she has to make a decision in a short amount of time, twice over, she messes up. That happenned enough for it to be a character trait.

I think you might have a point, though. Her orphan background doesn't come into focus too often.

>>84879826
So Bill wouldn't recognise him, but also so the people in the ship wouldn't recognise him. I believe it's said at the start of The Doctor Falls that he tried his whole Series 3 plan, but they revolted, so he had to hide himself.

I doubt that the Master is really dead for good.

Doctor Who is fake news

>>84879778
>gif

>>84880294
There are no "non-generic" companions. My point wasn't that Bill was a poor companion because she was generic, but rather that she in no way complicated the rules by which the companion "type" operates.

Davies used romantic tension and interest as a way in which to complicate the Doctor's relationship to his companions. It is because Rose was a romantic interest that the Doctor's platonic relationship with Donna is made significant and emotionally compelling.

Moffat on the other hand, as >>84879717 pointed out, tends to write female companions in a formulaic way. This works/doesn't work for various reasons that have been discussed already in the thread, but my point is that Bill has the least refinement of all in those terms. She is a standard, safe type with her lifestyle bolted on in order to appeal to a younger audience. I really wish that Moffat took more care in fleshing her out and making her a compelling character, as her finale would have been a lot more impactful.

>>84880650
JESUS CHRIST

>>84880022
>dwpageofficial
Is that actually official or """official"""?

>>84880650
I fucking hate the Tumblr generation

>>84880650
Honestly a pretty funny parody. I'm sure someone will sperg out on it though.

>>84880615

Obviously not, but...
If the Master really did die here, I wouldn't really mind. It does feel like a good ending for the character. I'm surprised Moffat was capable of it desu.

>>84879954
I'm not going to make a webm of it, but watch the last half of the episode online somewhere. Note how in her scenes with the doctor, he is the one who does (nearly) all of the mental legwork, and how her role on-screen is to be a sponge for praise.

>>84880650
>Ian
>trans
Tell me where you got this Immigrant so I can rip them a new one.

>>84880650
Why do all of these have to be different per person?
What's wrong with having four normal people?

NEW
>>84880754
>>84880754
>>84880754

>>84875825
remember being ugly means you see the world purely or something.

>>84880680
What is Moffat's formulaic companion?

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>>84880650
>Immigrant has gone rogue

>>84880722
I checked the transcript and he doesn't even praise it, barely has even any lines with her. You made that up.

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>>84880650
DELETE THIS NOW

>>84876177
online ratings?

>>84877543
Shame it's fake, that episode sounds comfy

>>84880876
included in there

>>84880858
I didn't. Watch the episode. Maybe he doesn't use the word "gorgeous", but he uses faux-romantic language as a way of making her feel special. That's fine in and of itself, but it reads as patronizing in the episode.

>>84880776
Mundane, good person, naturally curious, wishes/learns to help people and take on the doctor's mission. Values the immaterial over the material.

Again, I'm not saying that these are bad things, but that they alone do not make a compelling character.

>>84880650
Imagine Hartnell's actual reaction to this

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>>84875825
Strange to think she married Elon Mush, Doctor Who really does wonders for your self esteem.

>>84881083
Twice. Imagine how much she made off each divorce.

>>84881083

I was going to say you were mixing Musk up with Dawkins, but apparently Lalla Ward isn't the only hot Doctor Who actress to marry a famous non-Actor who nerds hero worship.

Should have llooked at your pic first.

>>84880551

>One way people show you who they are is by how they react. Some people would react by crying. Some would just become depressed and give up. Some would decide to give in and join the Monks.

And as you pointed out, there's no consistency in her reactions, so her personality isn't communicated through them. If she's trusting but not trusting, if she's mentally strong but mentally weak - as and when the story demands it - her personality has been subordinated to the mechanisms of the plot. The key defining features of Bill's character seem just to have been "sort of ordinary" and "gay". I say this liking both Pearl Mackie and Bill better than either Amy or Clara - in the Pilot, I thought she had huge potential, it's just that over the next 11 episodes, she was relegated to the role of "person who reacts to things", and her orphan sub-plot turned out to be the set-up to the Monks' deus ex machina, and that's it. That being said, it was refreshing to have her react to things with something other than glib quippery and ironic commentary, which is what we got with Amy and Clara.

I don't know the term for it, but whatever it's called when people offer some weird, self-parodying meta-narrative for their own actions.

"Ok, um, well, so this is obviously -extremely- scary, so, I'll just, y'know, scream and run now?"

That's a hacky example of what I'm talking about, but - what the fuck am I talking about? What's the name for it? That sort of Whedonesque snark?

>>84880962

Nah, you're full of shit. He's actually talking about himself.

DOCTOR: Think. Think, think, think, think. >Stupid Doctor. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Handsome Doctor. Adorable, hugely intelligent, but still approachable Doctor. What's another way to destroy bacteria?

http://www.chakoteya.net/DoctorWho/36-7.html

That's some evidence for you. If you want to argue otherwise, watch it yourself and post the timecode.

>you will never live in the timeline where Moffat's mom lived for another year or two and he didn't falter as a script editor from all the shit on his plate, resulting in the Monk trilogy being actually satisfying and Bill being more than just a series of identical coming out scenes.

>>84880962
>>84881335
I thought he was meant to be talking to himself but the dwarf thought he was talking to her?

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