/who/ - Doctor Who General

>>83373823
Rank John Wiles stories.

doctor poo

>>83374073
more like doctor who

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>>83373823
How has your day been /who/?

>>83374028
They're all shit.

>>83374020
>These "massive cheats" help the plot move on so we're don't have to waste 15 minutes of the episdode with Doctor trying to convince someone to trust him
These moments would only take 15 minutes if the writers made it so. A good writer would be able to write something good, and better.

Plus it's just cringe.

"I'm President of the World!" ... okay Doctor

>>83374095
I failed Rorschach test

>>83374095
Sad. Whatching Stargate and drinking tea.

>>83374073
Go back to bed, Barrowman.

why is doctor who so politicized. it doesnt help the show and it really fucking annoys me.

>>83374095
Well I woke up today and the world was a restless place It could have been that way for me
and I wandered around and I thought of your face
that Christmas looking back at me And I started to walk
Pretty soon I will run
And I'll come running back to you 'cause I followed my star and that's what you are I've had a merry time with you

>>83374095
I'm trying to break my 5 faps in a day record.

>>83374131
Wife told me she recorded Stargate for me today to cheer me up after some hassle online

..It was Atlantis.

>>83374211
Gotta say I hate when Who does politics. Partly why I find half of Pertwee's stories (especially when fucking miners and politicians show up) so dull. Kids and family audiences want fun, alien monster adventures, not Dr Who in a pyramid talking about war and politics and shit.

>>83373823
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBQheGGtZGA

>>83374267
Start taking antidepressants. My ejaculation after that ceased to exist in this reality.

>>83374283
At least it wasn't universe right?

>>83374283
>>83374336
I have not yet started watching Atlantis and Universe. Is it's really that bad?

>>83374327
I'm not depressed.

>>83374336
>>83374387

-We binged one season of Universe years ago, it was the pits, did'nt bother with bits of the second, at least she did'nt. I'm a glutton for punishment

-Atlantis can be comfy in some episodes, but it was like if you set the cast of Voyager on Deep Space Nine.

>>83374028
The Massacre
The Myth Makers
The Daleks' Master Plan
The Ark

https://twitter.com/Mister__Rhys/status/869239215787307008

>>83374387
I haven't watched all or even much of Atlantis. From what I understand the consensus is that's it's a close facsimile to SG-1 but lacking somehow. Universe is pretty much hated by SG-Fans mostly because they felt as though it killed the franchise, and may have.
I wasn't invested enough to go that far. It's a completely different show and closer to BattleStar Galactica than Stargate. I think it was ok, and probably cancelled right as it was hitting it's stride. Season one was kinda tedious because it seemed like they didn't know what kind of show or story they wanted to tell.

>>83374028
based

>>83374618
this

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>>83374095
My crush said he's not interested in a relationship after spending 5 months with me and being a depressive cunt without anyone else. Said the stars and the oracle told him he needs to focus in his college and work and after 9 years try to think about love. Feels bad, I loved him

I bought a moon pendant to ask him out, I guess I will sell it

>>83374630
based

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>>83374706
Sounds like you may have dodged a bullet there if your prospective mate looks to fortune telling to sort out their prospective future. Sorry for the loss, though surely it's very much their loss. You can do better.

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>>83374706
who /wishestheydidnthaveacrush/ here?

>>83374706
I feel like that's something he could have realised about himself without needing to hurt someone's feelings first

>>83374832
I wish I did, I haven't loved anyone since I left school

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>>83374832

>>83374832
There's a remedy for this you know, you can just tell them how you feel. Either they'll be down, or you can rip that bandaid off and move on after some mourning. Either way it's gotta be easier than living in limbo.

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>>83374706
Real sorry to hear that anon. Got rejected (unironic cuck now dear sweet jesus it never ends) myself on Friday. Life goes on my dude, either way watch some doctor who to cheer up.

>>83375025
i wish. would be embarassing. i'm also quite sure that i'm not their type, and either way they're out of my league. which only exacerbates my own issues with my appearance. why live desu?

thread theme song:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0u8wOqBNOWq

>>83375237
Thanks for the song Cats it's very nice.

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>>83374816
Thanks Cloister, I guess he was just interested in me because my mom is a wiccan witch and he wanted to learn more for himself and use me as a bridge, I never liked or spend so much time with someone like I did with him, feels bad.

The most annoying thing is that he doesn't have anyone else and keeps messaging me, asking how am I doing or asking to go out. I just don't want it anymore and I don't want to say Fuck Offerino without sound like a grumpy idiot that got rejected

>>83374832
I think it will take some time to try it again, I will start to focus seriously on my job and college, feels can wait and I can pay therapy after getting the job of my life.

>>83374908
I had the same feel when he told me his past but just this once I avoided to care about other people's problem and decided to go foward and dedicate myself for him, hell.

>>83375095
I hope someone worth it appears in your life soon, I'm really hoping to find someone to pass the midnight in /who/ with you guys. Life happens and whining right now won't make me any younger or happier. I think I will watch since the beggining the Adventure in Time and Space, thanks for caring.

>>83374706
Oh god, I read the horoscopes a lot.
No wonder I can't get a date.
I feel for you, but it's not yet the end to prepare for, it just feels different this time, have some carrot juice .

>>83375331
<3

music is based. i don't know what i'd do without it. fyi it's kanye west - i feel like that but it isn't on any of his albums

are you all fuckin faggots or something?

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>>83375380
I have nothing against horoscopes, I read that too but he keeps saying he's a witch and does rituals and shit but I can't take him seriously, he looks like just another emo teenager using black with a hair in front of his eye, looking edgy so I can't take him seriously.

I'm a virgo, he's a escorpio

>>83375489
no u r

>>83375500
>male witch

I hope you're a man too, otherwise you've got no chance with him

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>>83375561

I-I am

>>83375602
/who/ is so fucking gay

>>83375695
it's the classic beta autist gayness. rejection from women due to extreme autism leads to settling for cock. always makes me laugh when people say this can't happen - you see it all the time

Anyone tried edging? Is it worth it /who/?

>>83375695
In tribute for you, I will ward this general until we use the >83359883 picture as general title and cover

>>83375764
How come /pol/ isn't as gay as /who/ then? Let alone /r9k/

Cloister I love you. Always so positive. Never leave

>>83375237
You'll never know for sure unless you ask or find out and in the meantime it will eat away at your already (as it sounds) shakey self esteem. If they reject you on just the basis of your appearance, bullet dodged. You're a fine feline Cats, any girl or boy would be lucky to have you. I know personally of your integrity and honestly that's the probably hardest quality to find in a person.
>>83375356
That's shitty anon. He sounds like a complete flake though and you'd be better off to excise them from your life. Perhaps they'll learn to not be so ready to use people in the future for whatever means to his desired ends.

>>83375967
i don't know if i have the courage to ask them - plus i'm moving away soon anyway - but i appreciate the kind words cloister. you're the best trip

>>83376064
It's better to just ask, I was in your situation on Friday and no matter how shit it feels you'll thank yourself for just knowing.

>>83376064
Fuck off Cats. First you pretended to post while drunk, and now you go on some mopey feels tangent about your "crush". How does anyone let your obviously underage ass post here?

Mongo was right.

>>83375920
<3 you too Anon and wild horses couldn't drag me away quoth a stone that rolls.
>>83376064
No I keep telling you that's TooManyTime. You should try and find it friend. Yolo and all that.
I'm imagining a grease like scenario now, except you're olivia newton john

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>>83376259
>pretended to post while drunk
t. doesn't understand irony.

and what kind of sad life do you live where all forms of romance cease as soon as you turn 18. is crush too immature for you? i can say "person with whom i wish to be romantically involved" if you want, just for you

>>83376297
i'll look for courage, but maybe i'll save it for after i've moved. i'm sure there will be a least one new crush in my new town, and at least i have plenty of time to approach them and form a relationship

>>83376554
Seriously fuck off. There's no way you're 18.

the regeneration happens in 'the doctor falls', missy/12 regenerate together. Christmas is a romp episode with 12 and 1, takes place directly after 'dr mysterio' then flashes forward to 'the doctor falls' to complete the regeneration sequence

>>83376714
>le fake spoilers meme

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>>83376713
i thought all the cats-skeptics filtered me ages ago. the only explanation is that you're new. that, of course, would also explain your grudge against feels-posting as you haven't integrated into the matrices of the /who/ community so it means nothing to you

also christmas takes place during day of the doctor from the perspective of 1 and 12. 12's day of the doctor eyes dissolve into 'the doctor falls' 13th doctor eyes

>>83376829
yes, yes, we know that already. can I get some new fake spoilers?

were humans able to time travel in the classic series?

this is definitely one of my biggest gripes with modern who. supposedly fucking with time can have dire consequences yet humans have apparently developed time travel as early as the 51st century? that's it, universe over, the end.

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what was his f*cking problem??

>>83376966
monks are not cybermen

I wish they portrayed regeneration as being much more painful for a time lord, like they did with Jacobi/Simm.

I have proof that Cats is underage.

>>83376966
The Monks are all...Timelord Remnants of the Master.

>>83377164
Post it ASAP so we can get rid of him.

Thanks, Jon Blum

>>83377155
They literally did that for 10 to 11

>>83373823
more like /who/ cares haha

>>83377155
they probs don't want to traumatize the kids watching. regenerations are already pretty heavy going emotionally, if the doc then starts screaming in pain it might push it over the edge from sad to just plain dark

the master is the baddie so it can hurt him I guess

>>83377042
The classic series is as inconsistent about human time travel as it is about everything else. But the two key stories that everyone references later are:

>Evil of the Daleks: 2 meets a Victorian scientist who invents time travel in the 19th century but gets kidnapped by Daleks for his trouble.

>Talons of Weng-Chiang: 4 meets an evil warlord from Earth's 51st century who stole a time travel device and is fleeing the Time Agency.

The EDA novels expanded on the 51st-century Time Agency idea, and Captain Jack picks up directly from those stories.

>>83377256
I meant physically painful rather than emotionally.
>>83377293
You make a good point.

>Steven Moffat's Series 10 monsters preview
>"We can't put that on television?! It's proper, proper gross!"

>tfw this hasn't happened yet and we're 8 eps in

He must be talking about the Mondasian cybermen.

Horrific scenes of botched surgery incoming!!

>>83377333
10 grimaces in pain and 11 fucking screams

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>mfw Chibnall fires every single regular writer and brings back Gareth Roberts

>>83377356
Yeah, apparently there's a lot of body horror in the finale. Something happens to Bill, too.

I still think Nine's regen is the best of the revived series. It was both sad and touching without being completely overblown. Ten's was just awful overblown shite (and I say this as a fan of RTD in general) and while Eleven's was a lot better it still doesn't come close to the goosebumps I get watching Nine's scene. I hope they go with something a little more understated for Twelve...

>>83377579
Capaldi's said he "goes out fighting" so expect the same 'weaponised regeneration energy blows shit up' bullshit we've had the past 2 regens

Jess, BBC is really tired of Moffat, right? I mean, Sherlock is frozen since the beginning of this year, and then Steven was replaced by Chinball. If he is not given a new show, it will be quite obvious.
But most of all I'm sad about Gatiss. Poor guy, now he can't find any job at all.

>>83377579
reminder that ten's victory lap is still the biggest blunder in nu-who

literally all the other ridiculous crap in TEoT could've been forgiven if he'd just regenerated in that fucking room with Wilf

>>83377627
Regeneration is quite a beautiful concept and they need to emphasise that instead of big action spectacles

>>83377727
>Poor guy, now he can't find any job at all.
should've written better eps then

he seems like a nice chap and he's a decent actor. but all his who eps except the unquiet dead and the crimson horror suck

>>83377861
>crimson horror
I do not understand why many people like this episode and hate Robot of Sherwood. Horror is weird episode full of awkward gags, like all Gatiss episodes, and RoS is quite decent story. A bit stupid, but still good.

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Who else remembers that time Sally Sparrow almost got Blacked?

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>bill wouldn't vote for trump because of his skin colour
really makes you think

>>83378108
shut up, wacist!

>>83377042
The classic series is pretty inconsistent about things, but the VNA novels try to tie it all together.

Stopping other races from misusing time travel is one of only two exceptions to the Time Lords' non-interference rules.

A race that's just going to locally fuck things up and get themselves erased from history without affecting anyone else, the Time Lords don't usually care about.

A race that's going to be able to manage time travel well, the Time Lords make a treaty with. For lesser races they're like intertemporal ticket inspectors; for powerful races like The People this is more a treaty of equals.

If they can do a Doctor-y manipulation to prevent a race from misusing time travel, the will.

Worst-case scenario, they just time loop the planet and cut the whole species off from the universe.

Also, Rassilon set things up in advance to make things a lot easier for them, by tying all of history to a Web of Time, which is anchored to Gallifrey in his era. And also by manipulating evolution across the universe to make it unlikely that any species that's too different for Time Lords to understand will come to power. And by preemptively genociding any species that looked dangerous.

In the EDA novels, things seem to be a bit looser, with inconsistent histories just being the way things work. But that's because Gallifrey is about to be destroyed, and then Gallifrey is destroyed. So the Web that keeps history all together begins to unravel, and lots of races start fucking things up and major factions fighting to take control of the Web aren't helping. In the end, the Doctor fixes it, with the help of a sapient TARDIS, by restoring Gallifrey. But along the way, things get bad, to the point where he has to reboot the multiverse to save it. S1-8 replayed all the major beats of the EDAs but in somewhat different ways. Presumably after S9 we're now back to more like the VNAs/classic Who.

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any1 remember when regenerations were different and interesting each time rather than always being le yellow explosion

>>83378040
i almost didn't mention it but i admit i do enjoy the paternosters

now that i you mention it robot definitely as bad as many of his other eps

>>83378212
moffat needs to have capaldi's regeneration effect be shaving foam all over his face to make up for all that exploding dalek shit in time of the doctor

>>83378297
sorry, appears i had a stroke while typing this

*isn't as bad as

>>83377727
>But most of all I'm sad about Gatiss. Poor guy, now he can't find any job at all.
Yes, it must be terrible. Other than the documentary projects, second novel series, and collaborations with his LoG best friends that he's had to postpone since Sherlock started while he was also busy acting in shows like GoT and Taboo and writing for Who, how will he ever find any other work?

>>83374095
Tried to think of a Who episode I've not seen in ages so I popped on Colony in Space.

It's not that bad

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>>83378323
Oh, my giddy aunt, am I regenerating again already?

>>83374095
trying to work through my fortnightly crisis of deciding I don't really like any of doctor who anymore and that it's a sad waste of time
i'll get over it soon probably
just regret buying about time 6 when i'm not even going to read it

Wow I almost got depressed reading through this and realising that even the people in 4chan's doctor who thread are having more sex than me, but then I realised it's gay sex so it doesn't count.

>>83378212
I like the consistent regeneration effect. It doesn't make much sense form a biological perspective for it to be whatever the latest cool looking special effect available in the budget is. Consistent golden regeneration energy makes more sense to me, I hope they keep it that way

>>83378665
Jacobi to Simm was multicoloured, like a rainbow. With 12 they should make it a white light, or blue

>>83378209
>Presumably after S9 we're now back to more like the VNAs/classic Who.
Hopefully we're back to classic Who, not the VNAs, but we'll see what Chibs does. Trying to keep things consistent worked for the novels because they're novels, they're aimed at 5000 nerds, and they're meant to be read in order. For TV, he should just leave Gallifrey's role far enough in the background that he can do whatever works for each (rare) story about time travel and not explain how it fits the previous ones beyond a vague mention of the Web of Time or a team of chronometricians or whatever.

>>83378665
it always used to be a visualization for the sake of the audience though rather than a physical part of the story which was why it was nice to have different crazier effects each time

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http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/feature/g24659/doctor-who-episodes-ranked/
>23. End of Time
>10. The Stolen Earth/Journey's End
>9. Army of Ghosts/Doomsday
wtf is this guy on?

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>>83378730
>he's not a simmchad

>>83378696
I'd like to see a red or a green one at some point.

>>83378665
Wasn't there a line or a mention at some point that they'd modified regenerations during the Time War to be as destructive as possible so if a Timelord was killed during battle he'd take a lot of Daleks with him?

>>83378212

Technically the last regeneration was super different, it was done in a jump cut.

>>83378665
It was never consistent in classic Who. And it's not just the visual effect that's different, it's even stuff that's obviously in-universe—like whether his clothes don't fit after changing, or magically change size with his body, or even turn into completely different clothes that suit his new personality.

And really, nobody ever had a problem with that. It's only when you try to make it consistent and follow some rules that people get autistic about breaking those rules.

>>83378696
yeah I didn't mind the slight colour variant, especially seeing as the Master is a different time lord to the Doctor. I wouldn't be too bothered if they changed the colour of the regeneration energy of the Doctor next time, just as long as they keep a similar beam effect and sounds.

>>83378763
I haven't heard that, do you have a source? Personally I'd love that explanation! I'm one of those people who likes Doctor Who to actually make sense, So it would please me if they explained why regeneration used to be weird random crazy effects but now it's a focused destructive beam of regeneration energy.

>>83378807
Just because something was one way in Classic Who doesn't mean it was better from a lore perspective. People need to stop fetishistic the classic series like that. You're right, Classic who had very few rules/lore, but I like to try to make sense of things personally. And when I watch Doctor Who I watch it for the story, if the story can't be consistent that kind of bothers me. So if little inconsistencies from the classic era have to be changed and updated so be it. As far as I'm concerned that's a good thing.

>>83378730
>9. Army of Ghosts/Doomsday
>…what's sometimes forgotten is how exciting it was to see the Daleks and the Cybermen togethr for the first time back in 2006. "This is not war -- THIS IS PEST CONTROL."

Yeah, this is clearly written by John Nathan-Turner.

Is this the /talkabouteverythingbutwho/ general?

>>83379020
He's right on one thing. At the time it was cool, when I was 11 the build up was amazing and I was so pumped to see Cybermen and Daleks fight. But looking back it just doesn't hold up all too well. Especially given how imbalanced it was

>>83378562
The best kind of sex.

>>83378976
The whole point of Doctor Who is that it sits somewhere between an anthology series and every other sci-fi series in history. It's not the story of the Whoniverse, it's a bunch of interlinked but separate stories with only a handful of characters (who rotate out every few years) and concepts linking them together.

And it's not about fetishising Classic Who at all, just about learning from what it did right. RTD and Moffat have both improved the formula in lots of little ways, and one huge one (realising that you can lay out character arcs for those rotating characters without getting in the way of what Doctor Who does that nothing else can do), and that's great. But failing to understand the formula and trying to turn it into Babylon 5 would not be an improvement, it would just destroy the show.

>>83379077
The Daleks being all sassy to the Cybermen is hilarious though.

So we can all agree that Vampires of Venice, Amy's Choice, Vincent and the Doctor, and The Lodger are the best episodes of S5 yes??

>>83379488
It's kinda funny but I'd rather be scared of the Daleks and Cybermen than be laughing at/with them. One thing I did like about that episode was that the Daleks claimed they could wipe out the cybermen with just one Dalek. It would be much more interesting to have seen that. What if only the four members of the Cult Of Skaro went up against the entire Cyberman army? I could see such a huge army of Cybermen taking out a few of one or two of those Daleks just because of the sheer numbers involved. Jast and Thay could have been killed in that episode it's not like they really did anything anyway.

>>83379632
>vampires of venice
into the trash

>>83379077
That's exactly what he's wrong about. A whole story built around giving the Daleks the chance to BTFO the Cybermen in one epic line is not a great story. It's exactly what JNT always wanted to do. Everything was about being cool to 11-year-old fans (and/or Ian Levine, who thinks like an 11-year-old fan), even if it's not cool to 11-year-old casuals or to 20-year-old fans.

RTD almost never succumbed to that kind of thinking, and the fact that he pulled it off better than JNT/Saward ever could have on the rare occasions that he did doesn't make those his best episodes, it just makes them not total failures. There's no way Doomsday belongs anywhere near the top 10 for NuWho.

What if Nardole traveled with 12 and Clara?

>>83379903
How? 12 first met Nardole after Clara 'died'. Also, it's implied that the Nardole 12 travels with now isn't the retarded Nardole from 'Husbands', he just has his head

>>83379820
I mean, yeah I totally agree with you to be honest. I'm just saying it was pretty cool when I was a kid. Looking back it wasn't great. Definitely not worthy of being on top of Journey's End, which in and of itself is no where near as good as The End of Time but whatever. Not my list I guess

A new regeneration effect would be neat. I reckon Talalay would want to do something different. Plus if they even want an "in story" reason for the different effect, they can say it's because of the new cycle he was granted or something.

>>83379819
ur fucked in the ed m8

>>83379903
Are you talking about rewriting the show so Nardole was introduced, say, between S8 and S9?

That could have improved things. Clara's S9 character arc would have her going from the less-knowledgeable, less-TARDIS-competent companion to the more competent one, which would be easy to show without being heavy-handed. Like Erimem and Peri.

I still think the obvious way to improve Clara's story would be to merge her S8 and S9 stories, and give her a less-competent companion for the second half. But maybe your way could work too.

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Can someone please back me up with the fact that Iain Glen would make for a fantastic Doctor?

I know 13 is gonna be Kris Marshall, maybe we can hope for Iain Glen as the 14th?

>>83380004
>Also, it's implied that the Nardole 12 travels with now isn't the retarded Nardole from 'Husbands', he just has his head
What?

>>83380047
I think they should just do it and not seek to explain it. Writing in-universe reasons for design choices is autistic.

>>83378976
I don't think there is any source for the hazardous regeneration - it must've been something that I read somewhere years ago.

>>83380004
You realise that intelligence and personality come from the brain, which is in the head, and not the back of the knee or something, right?

Also, both Moffat and Lucas have said (and the episodes have hinted in-universe) that Nardole has spent periods of his life pretending to be a lot dumber than he is to get along safely, which is obviously meant to explain Husbands.

>>83380176
A few episodes ago, Knock Knock i think, Nardole remarked that the face he was 'wearing' wasn't his original. Matt Lucas also teased that "all will be revealed" about Nardole in the latter half of the series

I'm actually starting to like Nardole more than Bill.

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>black man cucked by a white man
completely broke my suspension of disbelief

>>83380193
Agreed.

>>83380322
>>83378074
stop this

https://twitter.com/MrCThomson/status/869622694463119361

>>83380193
I kind of like that RTD and Moffat both like to write in-universe explanations but then leave them out of the episodes.

Moffat loves to gives snarky answers in DWM that at first sound like he's making fun of anyone sad enough to ask the question but then make it obvious that he's ever sadder because he has the answer. When he pulls that off (which isn't always), it's a lot more fun than RTD writing an essay about it for DWA or the Cartmel writers dumping all the details in the Target.

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>>83380221
ah no worries then. But it would be cool if it's true. the 9th, 10th and 11th Doctor's regenerations have been getting increasingly more destructive.

9 tells rose to stand back as it could be dangerous

10's ends up setting fire to his tardis, destroying the main console room causing it to crash and rebuild itself

11's manageress to destroy a Dalek ship

>>83380304
Not too difficult considering Bill is perhaps one of the most insufferable companions yet

>>83380322
eh he was pretty beta for a black man. Not too surprised a beta nigger was cucked by a tough manly northern alien

>>83378730
End of Time is always ranked highly outside of /who/

>>83380490
12's destroys a cyberman conversion unit containing John Simm's master, saving him so he can regenerate into Missy, after Missy told him he did it, creating a fixed point in time

screenshot this

>>83380490
gonna be pretty funny when Bill shoots him and unleashed some sort of nuke level explosion lol

>>83380284
In a flashback in Extremis Nardole says he followed the Doctor from Darillium and probably was sent by River Song
>A few episodes ago, Knock Knock i think, Nardole remarked that the face he was 'wearing' wasn't his original
It was in Oxygen and I think it was just a throwaway line

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This is the 13th doctor

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Just finished listening to Omega. Would recommend - it's a huge improvement over Flip-Flop previously. Davison without companions is a weird situation, but he makes it work, though probably a second listen would help once you know that he was actually playing Omega in the Doctor's form all along. Nev Fountain and Parkin are apparently the only people who can really use this character to his full potential (and arguably Fountain does it a bit better, making him feel like a real person as well as the DEEPEST LORE elements).

Why is classic Who so bland and unwatchable?

>>83380566
part of me is hoping Simm's Master doesn't regenerate into Missy and Missy somehow either becomes Simm or is not the Master at all. I really don't like her as the Master desu

>>83380583
I hope he points the regeneration energy right at her ugly-ass face and kills her off the show

>>83380694
I don't know this man but just based on looks alone I say he fits the role. Still want Iain Glen tho

>>83380820
(You)

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>>83380820
this desu, it's absolute garbage. too much talking, not enough actually doing things. surely people have to do pic related to actually sit through it

missy is doctors mum

cap this

>>83380750
Flip-Flop is clever, but it doesn't do much beyond that cleverness. It almost demands that you listen to the first disc (whichever one you chose) again to make sure that you got everything, and then it's disappointing because, yeah, you did get everything, and that's all there is to it.

Omega is great. Although Nev got better later at giving different clever characters slightly different senses of humour so they don't all sound like Nev, in this story it works perfectly as-is.

And now you've got Davros and Master ahead? Even better. (Davros is a bit let down in retrospect because at this point BF have done half a dozen stories with the same angle on him, but that's not a problem for this one, listening in order.)

And then, sadly, it's Zagreus time.

>>83380889
I'm being serious. The pacing is horrible unless you're watching the first or last episodes of a given serial, none of the characters have personalities (all the doctors 1-5 are pretty much indistinguishable, companions are completely interchangable), the action is garbage, special effects are horrendous, and the music is laughable. Every single episode is visually disgusting – just brown, green, and grey over and over again, like mud. I haven't seen a single interesting shot so far, and I'm 1/4 through Baker's run.

>>83381138
nice b8 m8

>>83381138
>none of the characters have personalities (all the doctors 1-5 are pretty much indistinguishable
I couldn't tell people over 30 apart when I was 6, either.

>>83381169
>>83381225
Name 8 non-physical things that make Tom Baker different from Peter Davison in under 4 minutes as of the timestamp on this post.

>>83381385
Hat, hair, scarf, voice, nose

BTFO

>>83380691
is Hickman that guy from the stream who demands Morrisey?

>>83380166
I'd like to back him up alright

>>83381426
>eight

>>83381426
that was really funny
thanks for the laffs
hahaha

>>83381385
Tom Baker is goofy, he shows compassion in otherworldy ways that often seem alienating, he bluffs his way into things, he doesn't try to quietly encourage his companions, he's friendly to blustery aggressive people to disarm them, he talks to himself/the camera, he has everything he needs in his pockets.

>>83381597
Oops, that's 7. Would you like a jelly baby?

>>83381597
very comprehensive answer, but not under his arbitrary 4 minute time limit so i guess it doesn't count

>>83381123
Yeah, hugely looking forward to Master - the whole "McCoy making deals with Death" mythos is great, and apparently it really gives Beevers a chance to shine. I could even see myself enjoying Zagreus, though the length is a bit much - at least it's trying to push the limits creatively.

>>83381448
I don't know; the guy in the stream could be Andrew Cartmel, Paul Cornell, or a dozen other Smiths-obsessed Doctor Who writers.

Ask him what he thinks of owls, that'll help narrow it down.

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ITT: Fuck you I liked it

>>83381597
>Tom Baker is goofy
>statement without example
>meaningless

>he shows compassion in otherworldy ways that often seem alienating
>statement without example
>meaningless

>he bluffs his way into things
>statement without example
>meaningless

>he doesn't try to quietly encourage his companions
>statement without example
>meaningless

>he's friendly to blustery aggressive people to disarm them
>statement without example
>all Doctors do this anyway
>meaningless

>he talks to himself/the camera
>statement without example
>all Doctors do this anyway
>meaningless

>he has everything he needs in his pockets
>statement without example
>all Doctors do this anyway
>meaningless

>7 meaningless statements
>LITERALLY proving my point


The worst post I have ever seen on /who/.

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>>83381836
GOAT prosthetics

>>83381714
Zagreus is garbage, don't do it

>>83381846
>The worst post I have ever seen on /who/.

Agreed, so why did you make it?

>>83381714
Yeah, Beevers is great in it.

When they announced the villain trilogy, I was really worried. A fresh take on three iconic villains? It's going to be the same "misunderstood" take on all three. Classic Who actors in all the supporting roles? Are we still doing BBV? Just hurry up and give us Zagreus already!

And then they came out, and they were all great, and all in very different ways. (And then Zagreus came out, and… well, you'll get there.)

>>83381846
If you really need an example to understand that Tom Baker is goofy, you may want to see a professional. Many autistic people are able to learn to consciously look for the clues that neurotypical people pick up automatically, and find navigating life much easier once they do.

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>>83381836

>>83381836
Love & Monsters (until Absorbaloff reveal)
Last of the Time Lords (inc. Tinkerbell Jesus doc)
42, Dinosaurs AND The Power of Three (although the ending sucks)
The Lodger (GOAT) and Closing Time (still very good until 'you blew dem up wiv luv'
The Crimson Horror
that Zygon 2 parter (even tho the soldier scene was dumb)

honestly I just like Doctor Who

>>83380820
I fully agree. It's not as good as people make it out to be. I can bare some episodes if it's got Daleks or Cybermen or The Master or something but overall it's pretty shit. Hipsters just like to pretend they love it so they're not grouped in will all the Americans who started watching in the Matt Smith era because it got popular.

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>>83381846
>The worst post I have ever seen on /who/.

what if 10 actually regenerated into 11 in journey's end?

>>83381714
>the whole "McCoy making deals with Death" mythos is great
What's funny is that Master was definitely written for people who'd read all the NAs, but in retrospect I don't think any of that background is necessary to the story. Lidster managed to strip it down to its essentials, and the fantasy is subservient to the character studies rather than being continuity that drives the story.

>>83382190
there were already about 7 or 8 too many major characters in that ep, and you wanna introduce another into the mix?

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>>83382150

>>83382190
Maybe Matt Smith alongside Handy and Doctor-Donna wouldn't have been as much of a clusterfuck as the ending we got. But 2009 would have been pretty bad.

I'm not sure Matt Smith would have worked as well if RTD started writing him and then handed him off to Moffat. The Next Doctor wouldn't have worked with a brand new Doctor. Smith would have sucked in Planet of the Dead just as badly as Tennant did. Waters of Mars would be setup for something that gets dismissed right at the start of the new Doctor and never brought up again. The End of Time would have been completely wrong pairing Simm up with a non-Tennant Doctor (it's not the same as bringing back a mellower but darker Simm 8 years later, which might work great). And The Eleventh Hour would have been all about Amy instead of half about the new Doctor, and probably wouldn't have been as good.

>>83382396
>Smith would have sucked in Planet of the Dead just as badly as Tennant did
i really don't think it's fair to blame tennant for not being able to salvage one of the worst scripts of the entire rtd era

>>83382396
if 10 had gone through with the regeneration, then handy and doctor donna wouldn't exist.
assuming that 11 makes it through journey's end somehow, he'd only end up dying in the end of time and then it'd be the twelfth hour with two scottish people shouting at each other for 40 minutes.

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>>83381836

>>83382396
>Maybe Matt Smith alongside Handy and Doctor-Donna wouldn't have been as much of a clusterfuck as the ending we got.
The Rose ending could have been much more poignant.

>ROSE: Hold on, this is the parallel universe, right?
>DOCTOR: You're back home.
>DONNA: And the walls of the world are closing again, now that the Reality Bomb never happened. It's dimensional retroclosure. See, I really get that stuff now.
>ROSE: No, but I spent all that time trying to find you. I'm not going back now.
>DOCTOR: But you've got to. Because we saved the universe, but at a cost. And the cost is him. He destroyed the Daleks. He committed genocide. He's too dangerous to be left on his own.
>HANDY: You made me.
>DOCTOR: Exactly. You were born in battle, full of blood and anger and revenge. Remind you of someone? That's me, when we first met. And you made me better. Now you can do the same for him.
>ROSE: Wait, you mean I can have the hot one?
>DOCTOR: Well, I—
>ROSE: I mean, no offense, mate, but you look like a foot.
>DOCTOR: I'm making a heroic sacrifice here. Heroic sacrifices are cool.
>ROSE: Yeah, thanks and all.
>DONNA: But it's better than that, though. Don't you see what he's trying to give you? Tell her. Go on.
>HANDY: I look like him, and—
>ROSE: Yeah, I got that. I'm seduced already. Let's go.
>HANDY: —and I think like him. Same memories, same thoughts, same everything. Except I've only got one heart. I'm part human. Specifically, the aging part. I'll grow old and never regenerate. I've only got one life, Rose Tyler. I could spend it with you, if you want.
>ROSE: Yeah, like I said, seduced already. Let's ditch the chin already.
>HANDY: OK, sounds good.

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>>83382212
>and the fantasy is subservient to the character studies rather than being continuity that drives the story
That's a lot of what works about Omega, too - all the background about his experiments, being betrayed and exiled to the antimatter universe, etc. is laid out in maybe three minutes of frame narrative with the historical reenactment, then the rest just digs into his mental state and how he feels about it all.

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>>83381836

>>83382502
I'm not blaming Tennant for it. That's why I said Smith would suck just as badly as him in that episode.

>>83381836
All the episodes of the Eleventh Doctor

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>>83382695
Somehow, I suspect that the next story we get with him will not be an introspective drama about Omega's inner life disguised as a clever and funny satire.

when will the doctor start dabbing?

>>83383180
Can we get Nev to write the definitive story on the inner life of K9? If not him, Lidster could do it, or maybe Parkin or maybe even Gareth.

I'm not sure whether to set it right before The Gallifrey Chronicles, or right after Weapon of Choice, but both of those should be pretty stressful and revealing.

>>83380826
What if Missy turns out to be the Rani?

Murray Gold BTFO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2Fb6Svf2bE

Oh my god lads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OT5w4vsSxk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt2Wa3yb4lw

>>83384106
>>83384200
>>83384246
Stop spaming your shitty channel faggot

>>83384630
>3 different dudes
>3 different channels
okay fag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqpzv6v5KBM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJSd2hJLn2g

>>83380284
>"all will be revealed" about Nardole in the latter half of the series

he is actually Simm in disguise. Screencap this.

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>>83384726
Well... I couldn't very well keep calling myself... Nardole, now could I?

>>83384784
ITS LIKE PROFESSOR YANA ALL OVER AGAIN

>>83384686
>>83384721
https://youtu.be/5WPzamsC27s
Legitimately made me laugh.

>>83384984
REEEEE! Gallifrey's not hidden in a Cup-o-Soup, it's hidden in a Hot Pocket!

(Actually, some nice little bits there. I was a bit disappointed that hitchhiking didn't have a sub-etha reference.)

>>83385245
That guy playing that Time Lord should audition for Big Finish, the voice is actually perfect.

There better be a fucker here that's subbed to DWM and gets them on Wednesdays

Preview of the fucking finale tomorrow lads

>>83385271
He's like Bernard Horsfall doing an impression of Matt Berry doing an impression of David Mitchell doing an impression of Bernard Horsfall, which is something I never knew I wanted to hear, but I apparently always did.

>>83385271
You should see his Colin Baker impression, dead on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AZPEAsSvsE

Why is /who/ so dead now? I remember when live threads used to push 3 threads. Now they barely fill one. What the actual fuck?

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>>83385764
everyone is waiting for simm to show up

>>83384872
YANA
Y.A.N.A.
YOU ARE NOT ALONE

N A R D O L E
D R A L O N E
DOCTOR ALONE

>>83385893
It's only canon if he sings desu

>>83386023
*Shrieks*

>>83386023
N A R D O L E
A REL NOD
Nadole = napping movie Dalek. CGI-Cushing Doctor confirmed.

N A R D O L E
OLDEN RA
Nardole = Egyptian god. Erimem crossover confirmed.

N A R D O L E
LARD ONE
Nardole = Sixie. Too obvious.

Why did erica hold the door open with her bag? She didn't go in and get anything else afterwards. Even if she needed to, why couldn't she have just opened the door again?

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>>83386439
>erica
her name is midget m8

>>83386481
Why did midget hold the door open with her bag? She didn't go in and get anything else afterwards. Even if she needed to, why couldn't she have just opened the door again?

I will never understand why people don't like 42. Great ep

>>83386481
No, midget m8 is the name of my series which has won multiple AVNs for Best Speciality Series - Other Genre.

>>83386569
Episode 1 needs another rewrite Chris, get off 4chan.

>>83386481
Or as I like to call her, Midget Spinner.

>>83386569
trivia was comfy

DEAD AS THE MOON
>DEAD AS THE MOON
DEAD AS THE MOON
>DEAD AS THE MOON
DEAD AS THE MOON
>DEAD AS THE MOON
DEAD AS THE MOON
>DEAD AS THE MOON

Capaldi regenerates into John Simm this saturday

Saturday Simm into John Capaldi regenerates this

>>83386938
>the moon is specifically not kill
>kill as the moon

was he memeing us?

>>83387185
KtM is NOT CANON

Why does it even bother people that the moon is an egg?

According to nu-Who canon, the earth was formed around a spaceship, suns can be alive, and you can make people live forever with a chip

Why does the moon being an egg specifically bother people?

>>83387540
Because none of those things are as ridiculous. It's pretty clear.

Guys I love Leela, she's a qt.

>>83387793
What is this qt? If this is some form of teshnician, then I shall be forced to kill you. If it is a true compliment, then you may hunt with me. If it is merely a joke, please do not be stupid.

>>83387540
The moon was an egg, and the space dragon was able to lay an egg of the exact same size (ie larger than itself) instantly after it was born, in the exact same place. with no consequences to gravity or coastlines.

>>83387910
The preformational/emboitment theory of embryology is completely unacceptable in Doctor Who, where the only long-disproven biological theories we have room for are morphic fields, teleological evolution, directly-encoded race memory, and whatever the hell Holmes meant by biodata.

>>83387982
Biodata refers to the impact of a genetic imprint across history and space, that's my reading of it.

>even kill the moons writer knows it was a mistake
Poor guy, was probably suffering from writers block and had time pressure to meet deadlines.

>>83388135
>even kill the moons writer knows it was a mistake
proofs

>>83388135
>The concept behind the episode came to writer Peter Harness in 2011, so initially it was written for Matt Smith. Harness expressed a belief that the script suited Peter Capaldi more with the Doctor-Clara dynamic playing out better.

>>83387982
Don't be silly, only charged vacuums can be emboited in the Whoniverse, not embryos.

Also, you forgot vitalism, psionic powers, "emotional energy", the idea that all species can interbreed if there are no physical/sexual limitations, more DNA = more advanced, and probably plenty of others.

>>83388186
I thought the one meant for Matt was robots of Sherwood

>>83388029
The original line is:
>Someone's transmitting the biodata extract of one of the TIme Lords!

How could an extract of the Doctor's genetic imprint across history and space be used to forcibly summon him to Gallifrey, except maybe by some kind of sympathetic magic?

Then, in Arc of Infinity, having access to the Doctor's biodata is how Omega is able to take over his form and swap universes with him.

And then, look at the ways Cornell, Miles, Orman, and other writers used it in the novels (many of which Moffat borrowed without the label): The Sash of Rassilon alters your biodata so that you're able to comprehend the ancient secrets. Extracting someone's biodata and then editing the extract allows you to change their past to any other history that would get them to the same location they're currently in. Or to remove their ability to see the colour purple. Performing block transfer computations on someone's biodata can turn them into a TARDIS. Strands of biodata can be opened up into cracks in the universe. Viruses can attack biodata.

>>83388565
The more simplistic form - the one used in the Gallifrey Audios etc is probably just straight genetics.The others I believe have much more temporal involvement. So, kind of like the user's genetic destiny.

The other ones are probably the impact of a genetic imprint across history and space - so maybe Omega switches the footprint that his biodata makes with the Doctor makes on the universe with his own.

Sash - retrospectively changes the impact of the genetic imprint such that the respective person comprehends an event and the otherwise likewise.

The biodata virus essentially rewrites that person's genetic destiny.

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>>83388565
I interpret it as sort of four-dimensional DNA, with "biographical data" (about a given Time Lords's history, past and future) just as important as "biological data" (about their actual physical composition). We know they somehow embody time, it's a part of them, they can feel it when there's a paradox, etc. And then biodata is presumably what gets saved in the Matrix.

>>83388803
*others

>>83388813
Yes, Alien Bodies and one of the Gallifrey audios specifically say it's short for "biographical data" rather than biological. But other races have biodata too—the whole point of the Dust plot in Interference is that Time Lords, unlike the lesser races, have immune systems that can defeat the biodata virus, so they can only be infected right before regeneration.

>>83388803
The idea that everyone has a "genetic destiny" that can be read off past and future and that determines where they'll be and what they'll be doing at every instant is ridiculous. But it's just about as ridiculous as, say, morphic field resonances controlling evolution, and it may well be exactly what at least some of the writers were thinking.

Which is exactly my point: there are multiple different ways you could try to understand what "biodata" means in TDA and later stories, but all of them are biologically nonsensical in the real world. And yet, we have no problem accepting them, because they're part of a fantasy world that works for telling good stories, just like the other things I listed, and the ones anon added to my list.

In your honest opinion, who do you think is the 13th doctor?

Nardole is simm go back to extremis and listen to his voice when hes hooded at missys execution. Its simms voice. Real nardole was killed en route to the library by simm.

>>83389318
>biologically nonsensical in the real world
It can only be biologically nonsensical if it conveys a very stupid concept or directly contradicts common findings (I say this because the vast majority of studies appear to contradict each other) science in my opinion. I don't think it's stupid, so much as vaguely defined. I see it more as - if you (as a person) was stochastically conceived, your imprint and potentiality would be different from someone else's should they have been conceived or come into existence in your place.

I see TLs as being like fixed points in time, them being interwoven within the timelines makes it more difficult for them to dislodge.

I see the timeline, past/future aspect as a more advanced epigenetic consideration so whilst a person who has genetics won't necessarily do something, the sum of their experiences in combination with their genetics will. A more advanced nurture vs nature discussion, if you like.

>>83389472
I honestly think Chibnall may not even have made a final decision yet.

Moffat began negotiating with Peter Capaldi's agent in late July 2013, which was enough time for Capaldi to film a brief clip for November and then appear in a series beginning late summer.

Whoever Chibnall hires will have a longer but still pretty brief appearance on Christmas, and then appear in a series beginning in autumn.

>>83389691
I'm pretty sure they would have decided by now. They're filming series 11 much earlier than they did 8

>>83389782
They started filming S8 in the first week in January, after it had been delayed a week.

All we know about S11 is that it's airing a bit later than S8, and that it will start filming before Christmas.

So, what makes you think they're filming it much earlier?

>>83389544
Sure, but nature vs. nurture phrased starkly is a silly question, because it's so obvious that the two interact with each other on a number of different levels.

The idea of genetic destiny—ignoring everything from the chemical soup in the initial fertilised egg to the things you learn at university—is as silly as the idea of purely environmental destiny that was briefly popular among Soviet sociologists.

Looking at people's genetic development stochastically, as a probability cloud, as you suggest, makes a lot more sense—but then it doesn't give you a nice clear thin straight line through time and space that can do any of the things that biodata does in Doctor Who.

>>83389956
Genetic destiny was always silly but the biodata has an epigenetic (arguably more advanced epigenetic component). Would you always make the same decision if you were confronted with it at a specific point in your life? Probably not, but you could, with high probability, lean to one side or the other.

Which is what I believe the Faction Paradox were trying to do, stack the probabilities. I saw the Remote and their cultural manipulation as an offshoot of this.

>>83381714
Also, remember Clara is Death.

>BBC have plans to put Doctor Who back on agenda
HOly shit guys
Is it happening? WILL PEOPLE WATCH DOCTOR WHO AGAIN?

>>83390226
What Faction Paradox were doing is voodoo. Which is exactly what the Master was doing in TDA.

I think for Holmes, just giving it a scientific name was enough to get away with doing voodoo in a supposedly-SF series. For Miles, he's already taken the "sufficiently advanced technology" idea to the level of aliens who can operate directly on minds and cultures without having to deal with all the physical stuff underneath (the Celestis live in a realm of pure concept and send out agents who live in narrative rather than physical space). When you're that many levels of abstraction above what we know, any explanation we could understand is going to be useless as an explanation, but can be useful as a metaphor.

(Most of the other writers weren't that clever, but ultimately, it works better if you read them that way anyway, instead of trying to figure out what kind of understandable physical process could be used to turn a human being into a TARDIS and could be opened up like a crack in the universe and so on.)

So, a virus that attacks your soul makes sense—not because the soul is a non-physical dualist thing (but still somehow affectable by physical causes), but because the soul is the same kind of abstraction as Mictlan, and the Faction have technology to work on that level of abstraction without worrying about messy things like brains or even minds. It's not because the virus makes you progressively more likely to make decisions that are progressively more like those a Faction member would make, it's because the virus directly changes your beliefs (and abilities, even).

None of the things called "morphic field resonance" in Doctor Who would make any more sense in a universe that worked the way Sheldrake thought than in the real universe, but many of them work in story terms, so the metaphor is good enough. I don't think it has to be any different for the pseudoscience that Doctor Who makes up, like biodata, than for the pseudoscience it borrows.

>>83390290
Wait, I thought Death was Zoe's daughter (who's also Jenny, but not that one or the other one or the other one).

>>83374028
The Myth Makers > The Daleks' Master Plan > The Ark >> The Massacre

>>83391029
Wait, which second other one?

I mean, I'm sure there are dozens of people named Jenny over the history of the show/novels/etc., but other than Jenny the Doctor's daughter and Jenny Vastra's wife, who else would be "the other Jenny" besides the companion played by Wendy Padbury on stage and by her daughter for Big Finish?

>>83391029
Charlie Hayes did play Death, as well as Jenny who traveled with the Toothbrush Doctor in the play Six Days To Doomsday.

The joke was that in Master, Death sounded like Clara.

>>83390921
Which is also the same level of "magic as science" that Truth Monks roll with in Pyramid, which is why they don't bother me.

>>83391281
You can't tell me to wait after I just told you to wait.

The other one (not that one or the other one) is Jenny as in Jimmy and Jenny, from the 1960s Iris Wildthyme comic strips. The Jimmy and Jenny in Seven Keys to Doomsday (the Jenny we're talking about here) of course have the same names, but that's because the Doctor just stole Iris's adventures again.

>>83391365
Once I figure out how to explain to my cat what I just did and how it made the room light up, I'm going to demand that Harness explain to me how the Truth Monks restored the Doctor's sight, but not until then.

>>83389956
>>83390226

This is what biodata is I think

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_line

>>83391457
OK, so Jenny is the Doctor's daughter, the other Jenny is Vastra's wife, the other Jenny is Iris's companion, and the other Jenny is the Trevor Martin Doctor's companion. Got it.

>>83391365
>the Toothbrush Doctor in the play Six Days To Doomsday
Now you're just trying to confuse me. There's 7 keys to Doomsday, and also 4 somethings whose nature isn't entirely clear to Doomsday, but the number of days to Doomsday was never specified in canon until Saturday, where it was actually just a tiny fraction of a day. Also, when did Trevor Martin steal Nick Briggs' toothbrush, and does that have anything to do with how long it took Big Finish to adapt the play?

>>83391781

I also think the Web of Time is constructed out of worldlines, and that a really cool Miles idea is the anchoring of the thread. It's way better than either Faction Paradox or the War in Heaven.

>To permanently fix this issue, the Houses created a causal structure for the future. The necessary machinery was bigger than anything else ever built on the Homeworld. Exploratory proto-timeships operated by deep time technicians attached themselves to strategic points in the future to anchor in place the structure of history being imposed from the Homeworld.


If I ever wrote for the show I'd introduce these 'anchorpoints' as advanced spacio-temporal fixed points where 'deep time technicians' from before the anchoring remain as tether-hooks. Somehow the Black and White Guardians, the Six Fold God and the Key to Time would be related to it as well. Also my overall arc would be time-active humans from maybe the 51st century discovering that their Universe was controlled and dominated secretly by the supremacy of the Time Lords, so they unite various eras of human history against Gallifrey and try to start another Time War. The Doctor's favourite planet and species' entire history from its formation to the extinction of the last humans to the is suddenly a no-go zone for Time Lords as human history becomes a war society completely engineered against Gallifreyans and loyal to the cause of overthrowing the Web of Time and liberating the lower races, even if means the entire universe will change drastically. The climax would occur during the Rassilonian era as various time active entities attempt to pre-empt the anchoring. Also the Great Vampires would show up.

>>83391807
Actually, I was confusing him with David Banks' Doctor...who also never had a toothbrush (instead he had a Greenpeace button) and was in a completely different Doctor Who play.

For the confused, Trevor Martin, Nick Briggs, and David Banks played Doctors that were never really officially acknowledged, with Martin's and Banks" Doctors only appearing as quick replacement Doctor's during the Doctor Who plays that used to happen. Martin's Doctor showed up in a Big Finish remake of his play.

>>83392202
Time Lords vs. Earth sounds awesome. I just hope that wouldn't be too confusing for people.

>>83380166
>I know 13 is gonna be Kris Marshall
Sauce?

>>83391781
But there's nothing biographical or biological about a worldline, it's just position over time. It's far too simple a concept to handle any of the weight that any of the writers put on it.

For example, even if you can make sense of the idea of taking an extract of someone's worldline and putting it in a computer, how could transmitting that data compel someone to travel to where you are? How could performing even magical computations with that data turn someone into a TARDIS? How could infecting a worldline with a virus cause someone to progressively gain different beliefs and abilities? (And, while this is just a side issue, how do you even ask that question without adding another dimension of time?)

>>83392202
But the Web of Time isn't really constructed out of worldlines. A radial star isn't a web, and doesn't serve any of the purposes of a web; it's the crosswise (or circumferential) strands that hold it together.

And that gives the Time Lords something active to do in keeping history working—they have to maintain the crosswise strands and/or build new ones. That's why history starts working wrong when Gallifrey gets destroyed in the EDAs and, in different ways, in NuWho.

As for your idea: the Time Lords in the EDAs believed that the Enemy comes from Earth, and their first strike in the war was sending a slow-time bomb to destroy Earth before the development of human time travel. But of course nobody can actually write a time war, and no collection of a dozen writers not working together can even come close, so in the end it turned out that the Enemy were these interstellar cell things and they didn't even matter anyway because Faction Paradox decided they didn't want to be Faction Paradox anymore and instead just invaded Gallifrey on the first day of the War, so…

But anyway, there were some interesting things in the background of some of the post-TAC novels, with different factions fighting to take control of the Web of Time (and the Vortex).

>>83381836
>Expelliarmus
So Harry Potter is canon in the DW universe?
Why didn't Martha notice that 10th looks exactly like Barty Crouch?

>>83392295
David Banks wore a Greenpeace t-shirt, not a button. I was there his first night, and when you're a little kid hoping to see the Doctor and instead you get this goofy tall guy in his street clothes, it is
not at all excellent.

Anyway, Martin wasn't a quick replacement Doctor like Banks. They knew they couldn't get Pertwee early on, and his successor hadn't been cast yet, so they just cast their own 4, and wrote him as an entirely new incarnation.

As for official acknowledgment, it's kind of funny how that turned out. The Greenpeace Doctor appears in at least two short stories, despite not being an actual separate incarnation, and the Toothbrush Doctor appears in at least one short story and two separate comics, despite being unlicensed fan fiction. But Trevor Martin, who's basically as close to a real Doctor as the Shalka Doctor, never gets referenced anywhere.

>>83393435
Eastenders is canon in the DW universe. And Star Trek. And Doctor Who itself. Why pick on Harry Potter, of all things?

If you really want to, it's not that hard to fanwank away. For example, just because the Harry Potter books exist and were made into movies doesn't mean they're the exact same movies—especially since there are apparently 9 books in the series in the DW universe. But why is that important to fanwank away in the first place?

Wake up, night/who/.

>>83373823
dr who is great

>>83393975
Huh. That's weird. Was Banks a good Doctor, at least?

>>83373823
Knock knock whos there

>>83373823
Arent there like a million episodes

>>83395100
I didn't think he was any good. I wasn't exactly a great theatre critic at that age, I barely knew the Third Doctor as a character, and I wasn't in the mood to give him a fair chance. But I doubt he was objectively all that good.

Then again, how many people other than Pertwee could play the Third Doctor well? Also, it's really not the best story in the first place.

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>>83393975
From the pictures, Banks looks totally 1989, but his companions, who are supposed to be present-day, look like an early-80s girl and an early-80s parody of a French guy.

But I'm guessing if you were a kid in 1989, you weren't up on early 80s vs. late 80s fashion and probably didn't notice.

>>83395486
Nah, just a few hundred. Plus radio plays.

>>83395486
In the modern Doctor Who that non-nerd people watch there are around 140 episodes, I think

Why are people pretending to dislike Doomsday

>>83380166
He would be a nice War Doctor

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>>83380977
Eww. That would mean that the Doctor was snogged by his mother.

Sometimes I post on /who/ from the toilet.

>>83397394
in b4 doctor poo

>>83397394
Aren't we all?

>>83396954
Reminder that Eight once got disturbed because the Romana III from the novels looked like his mother.

>>83397394
Haha doctor poo

>>83387540
I swear the immortal chip is battlefield equipment so surely by the end of the universe there would be a ton of immortal people left.

>>83387540
Well, science fiction usually acts in a gaps. We aren't quite sure what is inside Earth's molten core, there might be a space ship. We haven't examined every sun in the universe, some might be alive. We don't know what can be invented in the future, maybe it will be immortality chip.

But we pretty sure moon isn't meaty right under the surface. Some other moon on some other planet could easily be an egg, but this one is harder to swallow. Same basic reason why psychic alien slugs would be fine, but ships flying faster than light without some technobabble (like "warp drive") is not.

>>83398503
The Doctor modified Ashildr's chips. The original chips only work on the Mire; the modified ones work on any race. So, even though they didn't say so, I'd assume that the original chips also don't make you totally immortal. (Also, being warriors, the Mire presumably frequently run into people who are trying to overcome their repair chips.)

>>83398594
We're know an awful lot about what's inside Earth's molten core: Earth's solid inner core.

More to the point, we know that it was at one point completely fluid. If it formed around a spaceship covered in accreted rock, that spaceship would have melted down as part of the process of forming the planet.

Of course it's possible that there's some fantasy material that's impossible to known science that could withstand that temperature and pressure for 5 billion years, or that there's some way of keeping an energy shield up for 5 billion years, or whatever. But the episode doesn't even hint at any such thing.

So, how is that any better than ships flying faster than light without "warp drive" technobabble?

(Or, reversing it, how would ships flying faster than light, without giving us any technobabble, be unacceptable?)

>>83373823
Huh, I forgot he was on Thick of It.
Quite a few people have been on that and Who.

>>83399295
Always remember: there's only like 23 actors in England (and 2 of them are Ant & Dec). So every show pretty much has to share a ton of actors with every other show. That's how you end up with James Corden and Matt Lucas as companions.

>>83394041
>especially since there are apparently 9 books in the series
Including Fantastic Beasts and Quidditch through the Ages brings us to 9.

>>83399289
It's all about suspension of disbelief. You need enough padding to delay realization that it's bullshit enough so audience would have time to stop thinking. Everyone knows that you can't just fly faster than light, or that moon is an egg. If you want to think whenever spaceship would melt, you'd need to hit the books and by the time episode will be over. Of course it's subjective.

But really, the problem with Kill the Moon is not really egg moon. It's that episode throws in random revelations and act like it's obvious they follow from each other when they do not.

>>83399343
>James Corden
I hated his character so much

>>83399384
When someone says "the 8th Harry Potter novel", they mean the nonexistent novel that tells us what Harry did next after The Deathly Hallows, not Quidditch Through the Ages. Just like "the 15th Discworld novel" is Men at Arms, not The Kirby Discworld Portfolio.

Besides, if you're going to count Quidditch Through the Ages, why would you not count Tales of Beedle the Bard and the Guide book and the multiple short story collections and the script for the unproduced play and all the other books that have been published, in which case 9 ends up even more inaccurate?

Haha, could you imagine if Nardole met Gibbis?

>>83399449
>If you want to think whenever spaceship would melt, you'd need to hit the books
A spaceship made of webs and metal is just obviously going to melt at the temperatures and pressures inside a planet. Everybody knows that all the metal and rock in the planet has melted.

The only reason I'd need to go to the books is if you gave me some kind of explanation of why it wouldn't melt. Which can be fun—and not just in hard science like Arthur C. Clarke stuff; Buckaroo Banzai sent me to the library to read surveys of actual physics papers.

But it's not at all necessary. I know the Racnoss spaceship is impossible without some kind of fantasy science which they didn't even bother to pretend to explain to me. And that's fine with me. Doctor Who isn't hard SF, it's SF-flavoured fantasy.

And, since you've brought up FTL again: most of the episodes with FTL travel don't have any technobabble explanation. How did the Daleks travel from their galaxy to Earth in a few centuries? They don't tell us. And even when they do, the answer is often "rockets" or "ion drive" or "solar sails" or other things that can't actually explain FTL travel. For that matter, how did the planet Voga travel across the galaxy in a century without any kind of engine or power source at all?

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So are they gonna wrap this shit up with a third episode or are the cliffhangers gonna keep fucking rolling? With these fucking episode names one can't even go in expecting an unfinished plot.

>>83400184
>not knowing in advance that this is a 3-parter
the life of a boardie must be a strange one

>>83400237
They have almost always made it obvious with the titles. I'd rather go in not knowing anything so I don't read in advance. This is mildly annoying, as its not really even very interesting.

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>>83400557

Back to /pol/

DWM world enough and time preview shows another one of those blue guys from Oxygen, doubt its the same character though. Also Missy in the tardis and a mondasian cyberman looking dumb

>>83400603
upvote

>>83400797
GIVE IT TO US

>>83400881
https://twitter.com/johnfreeman_dtb/status/869806718158503936

>>83400992
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>>83400992

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>>83381836

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13th for Marshall

DWM scans when?

>>83383781
I've seen that theory a lot and maybe. But I see a lot of people saying Missy is nothing like the Rani. I would be ok with her just being some insane timelord bitch who desperately wants to be the Doctor's friend so she masqueraded as the Master to get close to him. I think that would be a really neat twist honestly

>>83393237
There's no definitive sauce but there are a lot of rumors and big news outlets have reported on it. Most people have accepted the 13th Doctor will, in all likelihood, be Kris Marshall. Could be wrong though, but I doubt it.

>>83401336
He has the right look for the role that's for sure. Dunno about the ginger but Didn't the Doctor say he's always wanted to be ginger? I've only seen Kris Marshall in Love Actually and that movie is kind of old. If they've chosen him as the Doctor I have good faith that he's a good actor.

DWM

DWM SCANS
DWM SCANS
DWM SCANS

FUCKING DO THEM