What went wrong? Why does DCEU perform so poorly with the

>>81775554
>Critics
It tried to be more than Thor was so it was viewed under a closer lens
>Audience
It wasnt "fun"

Oh cool another superhero thread

>>81775554
Because their films are shit.

>>81775584
Man of Steel tried to be like Thor?

People fear what they don't understand.

looks like more people watched superman and also expected a terrance malick level of artistry

>>81775685
Clearly everyone is too stupid to understand the mastermind of Hack Snyder.
Everyone.
If you pretend to understand it, you are lying.

>>81775644
>More than
>Like
Are you blind or illiterate?

>>81775644
Marlets really do lack reading comprehension, no wonder Snyder's movies fly over their head

>>81775554
>actually using RT scores as a measure of quality
The way percentages work a movie that most thought was "okay" will beat a movie that divided its audience between loving and hating it
Childhood is thinking the best movies are popular movies, adulthood is knowing the best art generates controversy

>>81775554
>trying to make capeshit into a thinkpiece
marvel does it right because they market their movies to and for the retarded manbabies that watch them

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>>81775924
>>actually using RT scores as a measure of quality
This. Use a site like picture related with people that actually have high cineIQ

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DC is more adult. Better writing, better directing, actual substance to the films....as such it does poorly because the very nature of comic book films, the greater audience and critics are childish manchildren who want quip jumpcut movies with incoherent explosions and one-dimensional characters.

>>81775554
Snyder doesn't understand the characters, and WB let an advertising agency get the final editing cut on Suicide Squad.

WB is fucking up the DC movie universe, and someone needs to tell them to shut up, and just let the people controlling the DC animation shit take over.

It's weird. In both comics and animated movies, DC is stomping Marvel, but it's the complete opposite in terms of movies.

WB needs to get better at buying critics. Their marketing department is a fucking joke compared to Disney.

> Both movies rated a 6.2 out of 10
> Thor is fresh
> Man of Steel is rotten


OP means for this to prove that rotten tomatoes system is retarded.

Marvel and DC are two nerds.

Marvel is the nerd who's really loves comics and will happily talk about them with anyone in a friendly and excited manner.

DC is the sullen nerd who wants comics to be HIS thing. He insists that comics (and by extension himself) are above it all. He rolls his eyes and sighs when people ask him about comics.

Because Marvel tapped into something on the collective western psyche with its combination of quips, nostalgia, and formulaic plots. Not EVERY movie must be like marvel and MUST have quips or it will be crucified

>>81776696
>it is now a crime to have fun
How low have we fallen.

DC are racist movies for the alt-right

Nobody should encourage them

>>81776609
And yet both get beat up by the Chads.

>>81776054
>L'homme d'acier
Q-québec?

>>81776801
wtf i love dc movies now

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>>81776882
Humm..?

>>81776962
>Johns a Chad
Tip kok

>>81775554
>What went wrong?

You didn't trickle down your mother's thigh like the waste of biomass that you are.

>>81775924
This.

Preconceived notions. Superman and Batman each matter more than the entirety of Marvel. Because of that, straying from a certain image of the character is gonna get much more harshly criticized.

>>81777197
Superman and Batman SHOULD be a slam dunk on easy mode. The fact that WB/Snyder fucked it up so badly speaks volumes.

The Avengers were NOT Marvel's top tier characters. Those are owned by Fox and Sony for movies.

Everyone knows who Batman and Superman are, well before the current movies.

>>81775924
fucking this.

>>81777315
>Superman and Batman SHOULD be a slam dunk on easy mode.

You're right. What Snyder's team wasn't easy mode, and I salute them for having the balls to go for it.

>>81777527
I'm not sure saluting people for not understanding the characters makes much sense

>>81777566
They understand them. You don't. You think you do, but you really, really don't.

Resist the urge to spam out some personal pasta of what you consider flaws and just focus on one at a time, and I'll show you. That's called a Gish Gallop, and it's a shit debating tactic.

>>81777655
Oh jesus, you're one of *those* people

Believe whatever you want, anon

>>81777730
Hey, you're the one stating your opinions as facts, not me. By doing so, you've already revealed you really don't know what you're talking about.

>one of those people
Yeah. Sometimes they call us "fans."

>>81777197
>>81777527
>>81777655
>>81777793
>autism speaks
this is what we get for not banning capeshit from /tv/

>>81777847
Do LotR threads and Dune threads piss you off, too?

>>81775554
A studio and director that have apparently never opened up a DC comic in their life.

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>>81775924
>best art generates controversy
If so, then MoS and BvS truly are masterpieces.

>>81777994
What did you think of "The Dark Knight Returns?"

>>81776609
It's worse than that. WB/DC is the wannabe that pretends he knows X popular comic, but has never actually read them in his life.

>>81775554

Legit Norse God > Baldlet of Murder

>>81778092
You don't know shit.

>>81776133
Maybe after this all crashes, we can get some actual fans of the source material to head up a proper DC movie universe. Just to have to weather this out.

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>>81778118
>Thor
>Legit Norse God

>ITT chickenshits who pretend they know the material but won't even discuss it when they're called on their bullshit

>>81777936
Not him, but Tolkienfags and Dunefags are not as obnoxious as capecucks.

>itt everyone triggers the one autist who honestly believes he is THE ONE who truly understands the source of his fandom

>>81778215
Nor would cape threads be as shit as they are without fanboys and what might legitimately be shills.

>>81776735
It's okay for a comic movie to be serious, but it has to at least respect the characters it's based off of. The current DC movies seem to be made by people who hate the actual characters they're using, and have to make them more to their personal liking.

>>81778275
Did you like "The Dark Knight Returns?"

>>81778275
Snyder is a dudebro who thinks if characters aren't murdering asskickers, they're pussies not worth talking about.

WB needs to dump that hack like it was yesterday. Get the DC animation guys involved, they know what DC comics is actually about.

>>81778374
>>81778299

Or can we all just agree you're only interested in samefag replying to yourself?

>>81778275
Doesn't matter what director they get if the studio is constantly going to tamper with the movie. Suicide squad ended up being edited by the advertising people. They obviously don't give a shit about the story or characters, it's just a product for them.

As long as this is under WB, this will just go the way of F4ntastic Four.

Fucking coward.

>>81778451
The animated movies turned out alright under WB. They just need to dump the people running the movie side of things.

>>81778049
>>81778299
>>81778406
>>81778480
>autism speak 2:electric boogaloo
holy shit

>>81778594
I'd rather be an autism than a chickenshit. I'm neither, fortunately, so have fun sucking your own dick.

>>81778235
Apparently triggering the autist is incredibly easy, he can't help but rage when his great wisdom is ignored

>>81775554
dc makes garbage movies

>>81775554
They're having Batman/Superman movies made by people who don't like Batman or Superman.

>>81778631
>Not having a pointless argument with an autist means people are scared
okay

Theres no NOT MUH for Thor i.e. no preformed opinions

NOT MUH
NOT MUH
NOT MUH
NOT MUH

>>81775554
DC characters are fucking boring and uninspired with the exception of a few. Marvel just has more whimsical and fun characters with interesting backgrounds. DC just takes everything too seriously and its a fucking drag. Where's the humorous banter? They are superheroes! They should be having fun at what they are doing. People say the humor in Marvel movies is stupid but it's essential for people to remember this is a fantastical superhero film that's supposed to be more akin to a roller coaster ride. Making superhero flicks into "high art seriousness" just makes it all too real for people to expect in a superhero film.

>B-b-but muh grim dark realism

Shut up, it only works for Batman. Superman doesn't have that tone.

>>81775554
Critics and audience members alike just really hate people named Martha, and both Batman and Superman have mothers named Martha (which makes them best friends)

>>81778829
DC characters are perfectly fine, as long as they're being handled by people who actually fucking understand the characters. Snyder and co obviously fucking don't.

>>81778679
It's real easy to have a discussion when you're talking to yourself. Fans of the movie will actually discuss it. Fucks like you can't even rise to that level of discourse.

Anyone who claims this creative team doesn't understand the characters has either never read "The Dark Knight Returns" or is too stupid to see how the movie tweaked and reversed the roles. They perceptively identified that the Batman had supplanted Superman's customary role in the public consciousness and that portraying him in *exactly* the same light as Superman's character in TDKR would trigger fans and casuals alike and invite precisely this sort of debate.

The sort of debate chickenshits don't engage in. So. Bye.

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>>81778829
>Films
>Supposed to be fun

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>Have Batman and Superman
>two of the biggest American heroes of all time
>gross less domestically than a rated R Deadpool movie

How hasn't Snyder been fired? Nolan alone made Batman into a one billion dollar movie franchise and this idiot is blowing it all.

>>81778950
Nobody gives a shit about fans of the movie, people give a shit about fans of the comics. These movies are not being handled by people who care about these characters, and it shows.

Everyone who thinks you're being one of *those* people is not the same person, you twat.

>>81779012
Because very large profits are still very large profits.

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>Marvel uses literally whos
>grosses more domestically than Batman and fucking Superman

Snyder should be lynched if Justice League makes less than Guardians 2.

>>81779136
But it's Batman. And Superman. Two of the biggest names ever in terms comic books, known to pretty much everyone who is not into comics.

And DC/WB/Snyder fucked it up so bad that a "literally who" to people who don't read comics outdid them.

>>81779053
You know who didn't give a shit about these characters? The guys responsible for "The Death of Superman" arc. Well, that might be a little too harsh, as what they were ultimately trying to do was save his title during a rough time, but the fact remains that it was a largely empty story that gets too much love from fanboys.

If you'd take off the nostalgia goggles, you'd realize that.

In contrast, they managed to take his pointless death arc from the comics and imbue it with narrative importance it's never had.

>>81775554
>Critics
Anything Disney is well received from critics regardless of quality.
>Audiences
Audiences love these movies.

>>81778299
>thinking BvS is actually comparable to Dark Knight Returns
Zack? Is that you?

>>81779231
>Anything Disney is well received from critics regardless of quality.

Not remotely true.

>>81779211
Nobody gave a shit about Superman dying in the movie, since there was no emotional weight bulit up for it, but it's pointless to argue with an autist superfan

>>81775554
the thor movies were so fucking bad

man of steel was legit though

>>81779231
Iron Fist was critically panned for the most part

>>81779306
The Beauty and the Beast remake was well received that alone proves they're shills.
>>81779378
Iron Fist doesn't have the Disney backing.

>>81779375
I managed to enjoy Man of Steel, but I can't help but feel it would've been better if handled by someone other than Snyder.

They got the "gods on earth fighting" feel down, which none of the previous Superman movies could do, but they fucked up Pa and Clark Kent's/Superman's characters so damned badly.

>>81779329
Stop overselling your point. I cared. Just because your autistic ass didn't doesn't mean you speak for everybody.

>>81779405
>The Beauty and the Beast remake was well received that alone proves they're shills.
No, critics always fucking love musicals for whatever damned reason. Doesn't really matter who's making it, as long as there's a decent enough budget.

>>81779189
Again. WB doesn't care about any of that. They care about their overall profits to please their shareholders. Currently the DC division is turning healthy profits in a period where blockbusters are increasingly risky. They are thankful for success, not upset the success isn't bigger.

>>81779452
>doesn't mean you speak for everybody.
Not everybody, just the vast majority of critics and general audiences, as you're already aware of. A few autistic superfans notwithstanding

>>81779499
>WB doesn't care about any of that.
That must be why they let an ad agency edit their most recent DC movie.

>>81779503
The "vast majority" of the audience liked it by a two-thirds margin. Critics are too far up their own asses to see what's right in front of them.

Sort of like some people around here.

>>81779529
"Doesn't care" was a poor choice of words.

"Not upset like you are" is a better choice. Again. Shareholders are much more concerned about stable profits than anything else. Sure they'd prefer them to be larger--but so would Disney. They're still large in an absolute sense. Shareholders aren't upset with WB and therefore WB is not upset with Zach Snyder.

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>>81779499
>not upset the success isn't bigger

Mmm hmmm

>>81779551
Wow, they were right. You really are one of *those* people.

Disengaging from this nonsense, you just keep doing you, buddy

>>81775554
>What went wrong?
Disney is letting comic people run the movies.
WB hates the comic people, and has people who don't understand the comics they're based on run the movies.

Look up Mark Hamill talking about the disconnect between the DC comic folk and the DC film/TV folk and how they don't talk to each other.

>>81775554
wasn't black enough

The problem with Batman vs. Superman is that much of the plot doesn't pass the "so what" test. Like Lois's investigation of Lex's mercenaries and their special Lex-branded bullets. An absurd scheme to frame Superman for wrecking an African village which leads to Superman being summoned to court. But so what? The courtroom is blown up before Superman says a word and the entire subplot is never mentioned again. Lex tries to prejudice Batman and Superman against one another by stealing disability checks and sharing articles about Batman branding criminals. So what? The fight is eventually staged by simply kidnapping Superman's mom, rendering Lex's preceding machinations completely pointless. Abysmal storytelling and an unforgiveable waste of time in a movie that despite a bloated 3+ hours length, can't even spare a few minutes to give Superman more than 42 lines or squeeze in scenes for Wonder Woman to talk to anyone other than Bruce Wayne.

In contrast, Marvel's Civil War is a masterpiece of efficient storytelling. Batman vs Superman struggles to effectively tell a story about a couple of superheroes, one villain and a love interest. Civil War manages to credibly weave over a dozen heroes into a tightly-focused story, two of whom are main characters, half of which are properly developed and characterised and all of whom, even the "guest stars", get something cool to say or do. Even Falcon gets more dialogue in Civil War than Superman does in his own movie! "Quip"-filled though it may be, the conversations in Civil War flow like real banter between real people, and do a good job of conveying the personalities of the characters. Zack Snyder seems to believe a few pompous pronouncements and Biblical motifs are enough to secure the audiences empathy with his heroes. But they aren't. Hence Batman vs Superman's 27% RT score, Razzie award, and failure to reach $1bn despite starring the two biggest names in the comic book industry.

>>81775554
Rotten Tomatoes is a likability meter and Thor is more likable than Man of Steel.

>>81779759
So what?

>>81779609
>Put in more amount of money to improve returns
This isnt being "upset", it's making a fiscal decision.

Again, your perception of weeping WB execs pulling their hair out at only making a few hundred million dollars when they could be making several hundred million is false.

The action they take rationally has to
A.)increase profits
This part you understand
B.) Not risk profits already coming in
This part you seem to be seriously struggling with. It is always more rational to bet on the sure thing. A bird in the hand is worth two in the book.

They'll make small changes and try new things, but they're not going to risk failure by causing a massive change in direction.

>>81779759
>failure to reach $1bn despite starring the two biggest names in the comic book industry.

Snyder is a piece of shit, ruining Batman and Superman.

>>81779819
You're a piece of shit that thinks he knows these characters.

You don't.

>>81779819
>the two biggest names in the comic book industry.
Spider Man and Batman?

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>>81779922
>Spider-man
>bigger than Superman

>>81779871
You're not the arbiter of that, anon

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>>81779953
Stay asleep.

>>81779819
>Snyder is a piece of shit, ruining Batman and Superman.
100%, and they're going to let themselves go down with his ship.

It fucking pisses me off that when the DC movie stuff does crash, it'll probably be years before they can attempt to do it correctly again.

>>81779871
Anyone who is ok with Batman being a vicious murderer in one movie and then a reddit tier quipster in the movie directly after it is fucking delusional. It's not about deep seated understanding of the characters, its about respecting them, committing to a portrayel that stays true to your artistic vision and pays homage to a 75 year old world renowned character. Batman is malleable because of the many worlds set up of the DCU, but THIS Batman has nothing going for him except the fact that they got an actor who looks like the character; just like the rest of the DCeU. Everyone looks the part, but theres a rotten core of shit beneath the looks, rife with plot inconsistancy, blatant disrespect for decades of comic lore, and shitty decisions and changes that come from the Hollywood machine demanding these movies make more shekels.

Wake the fuck up

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>>81776132
>DC is more adult. Better writing, better directing

>>81779986
We'll there's plenty of posts here you can refute and prove it, then. We won't hold our collective breath for it, though.

>>81780051
False. They'll reboot it instantly unless the entire superhero genre has ceased to be profitable. After all, we're on our 3rd Spiderman and second team of X-Men.

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>>81780070
>everyone looks the part

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>>81780014
>online

>>81780070
>vicious murderer

This is how we know you're full of shit.

>>81780014
These are old figures. The recent figures has superman behind iron man and hulk. Batman doesn't really count but he's dropped off too

>>81775554
MoS/BvS tries to be cinema, Marvel is an honest flick.

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>>81780146
The fuck happened to my man Superman? Why doesn't anyone love him anymore?

>>81780146
>Batman doesn't really count
Neither does your opinion.

>>81780123
Batman brands people to get assfucked and killed in prison, gattling guns people in cars down, and kills at least 7 people in that warehouse with no remorse. He also premeditated the murder of Superman. If you want a counterpoint actually think of something and come back you fucking fanboy fuck

MoS is much better. I rewatch it on a consistent basis and it has much higher value as a film than any 90% Marvel.

>>81780080
False. Nothing to refute, the general correct consensus is that these are not correct interpretations of the characters.

>>81776432
Or maybe you just don't know how an average works

>>81780207
He never shot one person that wasn't in self-defense. Know why he's branding them? Because he can't do the one thing you're accusing him of - commit murder.

Fuck off with with your generalizations.

>>81780070
Also lets not forget the fact that these movies ply us with entry level philosophical babble for 2 hours only to end in a big dumb fight that throws anything even remotely smart the film said out the window.

>>81780197
I feel like im the only one that saw that kino supes cartoon

>>81780197
Because Snyder doesn't understand why people love Superman, so he made him all grimdark who doesn't care about people (and a father who says "maybe you should let people die").

Damned hacks running DC into the ground.

>>81780225
/thread

>>81780307
He's not grimdark. He is realistic. Having to make sacrifices for his choices. He understands Superman better than you do. If you want cartoon heroes, no need to look past MCU. They have what you want.

>>81780354
>He understands Superman better than you do.
Obviously not, Zach

>>81780293
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv7keC4P4VA

So that whole part where he directly and knowling crushes cars and gattling guns people to death in cold blood dont count? Fuck off. Bottom line is this shit is inconsistent as fuck, hes a murderer in one film and a quipper in the current one

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>>81780307
>Pa Kent

>>81780301
Entry-level philosophy. That means you're talking about Lex. That means you bought into his bullshit.

WB said this movie might be too smart for some people. They were fucking right.

>>81780354
>realistic

Nolan's Batman was realistic and was far more uplifting than any of Snyder's films.

>>81780393
Obviously yes, shitposter. Snyder took Superman and inserted him into a world where being a savior means more than just smiling and saving cats from the trees. It's a world where an action has a consequence. And it's much more interesting seeing Superman in such a setting than the cartoonish as fuck clusterfuck that is the MCU.

You'll understand when you're above 15.

>>81780412
>Superman sitting in front of a picture of Jesus
>Anything Pa Kent says
>Anything Bruce and Alfred talk about
>The courtroom scene and plot about Superman being a bad guy

Yeah none of this is contrived at all. The movie with the big cartoon ogre is far too smart, even more so than the one with the tornado.

>>81780307
They obviously understand that Snyder doesn't understand the fucking characters, but unfortunately they're bringing in Joss Whedon.

They're not even going to try to understand DC characters, they just want Whedon to recreate the success of Avengers for them.

>>81780466
Nolan's trilogy was way darker than Snyder's ultimately uplifting stories.

Holy shit not even worth replying to this troll anymore. Thank fuck you hadn't discovered 4chan during the TDK years with this inane bullshit.

>>81780474
Stop being THAT guy. Just because you're going to go on an autistic tantrum, doesn't mean everyone else is a teenager.

Damned super fanboys, man

>>81780516
>>81780474
>>81780412
>>81780354
All le me

>>81780240
What a bullshit dodge. Fucking neck yourself.

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Snyder is a hack. 300 and Watchmen are good because the source materials are good. Every time Snyder tries to do something original, he completely fails. Snyder and DC are retarded. Why do they keep writing shitty original scripts when they already paid billions of dollars for the franchise? Just copy the excellent story of the excellent comics. How hard is that?

>>81780516
Zach "Dark Knight isn't Dark, in MY Batman movie, he can get assraped" Snyder

That Snyder, he sure understands these characters

>>81780559
No thanks. Not my fault you're a Snyder fan and do not understand why DC characters are so loved.

>>81780570
You have no idea what you're talking about. It's sad seeing these bitter people online.

>>81780560
The sin of wanting to create something new to the canon instead of just leeching on previous work. No wonder Marvel's goons think it's a negative. You're just proving why he's great and your MCU isn't.

>>81780560
The comics don't have enough rape in them.

>>81780474
There have been plenty of Superman stories where he was more than smiling and saving cats. They were also well-written. You've never read a comic book, seen a superman cartoon, or even any of the classic movies, have you?

>>81780554
Fucking lie.

>>81780604
You don't love DC though. Stop pretending you do. We all know your intentions here with your fancy MS Paint RT comparisons bragging about how well reviewed Marvel garbage is.

You can twist and turn Snyder's film all you want but ultimately they are much better than Marvel's feces. And if you don't think that as an adult with a functional brain, then I can only pity you.

>>81780618
David "How many know who Martian Manhunter is? Okay, now how many have had sex?" Goyer
or David "She-Hulk was created so Hulk could have someone to fuck" Goyer

Snyder and Goyer sure know their comics. Good choice, WB/DC

>>81780625
MoS and BvS are also well written stories. And much better portrayal of Superman than any of the prior Superman films. Finally a Superman that bleeds, feels and also wrongs. A world where being an all-good savior does not result in an all-good world.

>>81780665
>autism speaks
Jesus fucking christ, you're still in here having your manbaby rage for this entire time? What is seriously wrong with you?

>>81780695
Snyder knows more about the comics than you do. Him choosing to create something original should be applauded, not criticized. If it exists solely as a copypaste, then what point is it past being an average Marvel?

>>81780702
>Written well

Anon, they were by no means well written. Man of Steel actually was ok, I'll give you that. But you're going to tell me BvS wasn't an absolute mess from a writing standpoint? An extra 30 minutes couldnt fix all of the plot holes

>>81780728
You are here spending hours leaking shit from your ass writing your Snyder revenge fantasies. I don't know if he fucked your mom or you're Persian but it's honestly petty and borderline disturbing. And look how easily you crumble when called out on your bullshit. The only reason you're not being called out more often isn't because it's hard, it's because it's not worth the effort past killing a boredom.

>>81780741
As has been said, you're a Snyder fan. Not a fan of the comics. It's obvious why you don't understand why they fucked up with the characters.

Not going to bother humoring your autism further.

>>81780759
There are no plot holes. It was written really well. Terrio really did well. You are going to no doubt reply with something extremely nitpicking while also being forgiving to the barely visible plots and characterizations of Marvels

>b-but let's not talk about Marvel here
Yeah fuck off we know it's what you would want

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>>81775584
>It's Marvel's fault that DCEU films are shit!

Jesus Christ.

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>>81780397
Never shot one person. Not even KGBeast. Learn what fucking murder is, dipshit.

Just in case you think I'm splitting hairs here, you're right. I have to because that's what Bruce is doing - he's putting himself in harm's way so he can feed his obsession with vengeance. What he can't do is kill someone who isn't actively trying to kill him, and even then, he can't bring himself to directly kill them. He always needs a buffer, something to depersonalize it.

This is Bruce, the man, compromising to sate the "bat's" thirst for blood. He let it off the chain once, and he's never been able to rein it back in, precisely the thing he's talked about in the comics.

>>81780811
You won't even bother explain your point past just that. That's the thing you do. You spend whole days talking about how bad it is but when called out to an argument, you always fail. This is why most posters don't even bother anymore. It doesn't matter how many times your insane ass gets corrected. You'll still return with the same bullshit the next day.

I'm the idiot here really for thinking I can speak sense into third-worlder shitskins on Marvel salary.

>>81780777
I hope this has all been trolling from you, because if not, jesus christ

>>81780815
But anon no one is mentioning Marvel except you. Legitimately seek help

>>81780893
>But anon no one is mentioning Marvel except you.
You must've missed the OP then. But I guess that doesn't count. Nor the others vehemently defending the garbage shitshow that is Marvel.

>>81780859
... You're actually Zack Snyder, aren't you

>>81780869
Not an argument. What is your argument really? What is your beef with Snyder? DC fans wouldn't be bragging about how well Marvel is doing. So you can drop that card. We see right through it.

>>81780920
See>>81780866
This is exactly what I described. These poor fucks are so predictable. Call their shitty arguments out, and suddenly the crumble and they resume with the insults. I pity the guy who replied to you really. He gave it an honest shot, explained his point well and you went back crawling like the Marvel bitch boy you are.

>>81780859
Again, just because he doesnt straight up shoot someone with a hand gun doesnt mean he didnt directly murder people when no force would have been fine. He smashes dead on into a car and drags it around, crushing another car with it. One of the cars wasnt even attacking him. Stop being an autismo

>>81780920
Stellar rebuttal.

>He understands Superman better than you do.
>Snyder knows more about the comics than you do.

>it's a Zach Snyder rages at being called out for being a hack episode

>>81781011
You reminded me of a scene in The Dark Knight where he blows up a random ass car just so he can drive through it during the scene where Harvey Dent is in the armored van, and there's two kids in a nearby car miming guns shooting at the car when it explodes. Those two kids could've easily been in the car Bruce blew up and he wouldn't have even known.

No doubt the Mouseshills thought they could have another circlejerk only to get called out and BTFO once again.

We'll see the same posters tomorrow pulling the same shit. This never changes. /tv/ is perpetually stuck in this cancer of shitposting.

>>81780197
Cause Superman doesn't stand for anything in Snyder's movies. His motivations are muddled and he lacks the steadfast determination of his more popular incarnations.

>>81780741
Riiiiiight. Is that why Snyder citing his Batman inspiration who kills from The Dark Knight Returns proves he didn't even understand what he was reading?

>>81781011
Which car would that be - the one with the guys shooting at him, the other one with the guys shooting at him, the one who ran into the tanker, or the one with the guys shooting the midsole launcher st him?

>>81780994
You haven't called anyone's arguments out. Your entire response is "Zach Snyder knows X better than you."

You're a raging manbaby who's been called out repeatedly for having no argument, and simply is a Snyder fan who doesn't understand why people like DC's characters.

Thanks for playing, come again.

>>81781044
If you hate Snyder so much, you're supposed to do better than just repeat nonsensical points for hours on end. You're an idiot. You lack the vocabulary to even express yourself like an adult. I hope you are underaged or just a really underqualified shitskin shill.

>>81780618
>Marvel's
>MCU

'but, but, but Marvel!' I didn't say anything about Marvel, you DC fan girl. Stop making excuses.

>The sin of wanting to create something new

If DC wants to create something new, then they should hire directors and writers that are talented. Not your hack Snyder. DC should give Nolan a blank check. Just throw money at him until he comes back.

>>81781064
This. https://boards.4tan.org/tv/search/text/Mouseshill/
Andy needs to be stopped

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>>81780117
You're right, Anon. It's much clearer when you look at all merchandising.

>>81781104
Literally recycled my comment against him. This is pathetic. There isn't even anything to discuss here.

>b-but it's not Superman!!1!
And no argument given. Just that. And when challenged, the insults resume. Predictable and sad from the shitskins today.

>>81780859
>Learn what fucking murder is, dipshit.
But Batman does murder people in this movie... it's literally murder

>>81781076
>Riiiiiight. Is that why Snyder citing his Batman inspiration who kills from The Dark Knight Returns proves he didn't even understand what he was reading?
The person you're responding to has, themself, been referring to The Dark Knight Returns as justification for Snyder's Batman. This person doesn't even understand it himself.

>>81781127
I've seen Nolan's idea of a fight sequence. No thanks, Nolan-fag.

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>>81781115
>says anon lacks the vocabulary to express to express himself as an adult
>calls him underaged or a shitskin in the same post

>>81781064
>>81781131
Holy fuck. The guy who cries about shitposters fucking up /tv/ IS the shitposter fucking up /tv/.

Well, truly, and unarguably btfo.

>>81781156
Thanks for playing, buddy. You'll do better next time. Just have an actual argument prepared, I know you can do it.

>Zach Snyder knows more than you!!

>>81781164
Did Superman kill in TDKR? Did he disfigure anyone?

Impress us with your knowledge.

>>81781115
>shitskin shill.

Is BvS really the Donald Trump of movies? It certainly has its /pol/ supporters.

>People think Batman killed people in TDKR
>Forget how he cried and collapsed when confronted in the beginning of the book
>Forget how he ised rubber bullets and even spared the life of the big mutant leader
>Never killed a single person except being responsible for the Jokers neck in the tunnel of love
>A big budget hollywood director actually stated Batman killed in TDKR in a movie based on the same character

>>81781247
Hit too close to home there.

>>81781233
>he still doesnt read the posts he's replying to
>>81781164
I don't usually bandy around the term autism but it's like it's staring us all in the face

>>81781247
>Is BvS really the Donald Trump of movies?
No because its biggest samefag defender on this board is an anti-trump Islamic swede

>>81781233
What is that argument supposed to mean? We're talking about Batman from TDKR and Synder's subsequent misunderstanding, not Superman or the Green Arrow.

>>81781160
Literally murder yourself then. You're too stupid to lay claim to as much oxygen as you're wasting.

>>81781247
>BvS
>Donald Trump of movies

Well let's see, it features a scene where Bruce Wayne is talked down to by Diana as being a "boy who doesn't know how to share," while Bruce fumbles around with a "b-b-but women like you" line.

Meanwhile the main characters in the Avengers line-up are a successful capitalist and a guy who is literally the ultimate patriot soldier.

Gee which one is more appealing to Trump...

>>81781315
Just do us all a favour and look up what murder is, then let this particular argument go

>>81781296
>I don't usually bandy around the term autism but it's like it's staring us all in the face
The dude has been single-handedly at it for this entire thread. Gotta attract one of them every once in awhile.

DC doesn't understand what their working with and more often try to elevate what is basically a genre for children, but then they make laughable tryhard intelectual movies about what amounts to a live action dragon ball movie.

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>>81781314
See >>81778950

That's what's so fucking sad. No one blinks when Superman's character is tweaked to make a point, but do it with the Batman and everyone loses their minds!

Guess it wasn't part of your plan.

Yeah Zach definitely understands Batman

https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbr.com/movie-legends-revealed-did-batman-actually-kill-anyone-in-the-dark-knight-returns/amp/

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>this is current Superman
>doesn't even bother to save people

>>81776133

Snyder understands the characters on a very deep level.

You can't accuse him of not knowing the source material and lifting whole scenes from it at the same time

>>81781434
>No one blinks when Superman's character is tweaked
It was a major thing that people complained that Superman was so destructive in MoS. It's the entire reason why they retconned that sequence in BvS.

>>81781550
He lifts the pictures, I accuse snyder of maybe not being able to read. It works pretty well in the end either way.

>>81775554
critics: Disney shills
audiences: Marvel knows their movies are shit so they crammed as many quips and jokes as they can to distract them

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>>81781550
>You can't copy something without understanding it.

>>81781437
Even in Frank Miller's depiction of a sadistic and hyperviolent Batman, he still never fucking kills anyone in the comic. And this is Snyder's fucking defense whenever someone questions his depiction of a killer Batman.

The dude doesn't read comics, he simply tries to recreate "cool" or iconic moments.

>>81781550
BUT HE DOESNT GET THE MATERIAL. If he wanted to do TDKR, Batman wouldnt have killed anyone, even through the bullshit "they did it to themselves" reason. Batman doesnt kill a single person in TDKR, and Zach openly said this Batman was like that Batman in the way he operates. You fucking Snyder fanboy shill fuck

>>81781559
Try to keep up, Sparky. We're talking about his portrayal in TDKR. As for "retcon," what the fuck are you talking about?

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>>81779136

Except BvS didn't make a very large profit.

Shit needed 800 million box office to break even and made 870 million in the end.

There are anime that make 3x better profit than that.

BvS was a disaster in every way.

I'm getting more and more confident that everyone in here is just picking on a single mentally handicapped person in this thread who happens to be a big Zach Snyder fan.

It's a little uncomfortable.

>>81781651
I was aiming to pick on Zack Snyder as a mentally handicapped person. He's one of those high functioning ones though.

>>81777994
>Marvel makes changes
>IT WORKS! IT WAS AN IMPROVEMENT! IT IS A CLEVER IMPROVEMENT FROM THE COMICS!
>DC makes changes
>MUH SACRED ICONS

>>81781550
>You can't accuse him of not knowing the source material and lifting whole scenes from it at the same time

I literally can which is why his adaptation of Watchmen is so damn flawed. He copies some scenes panel for panel, and then at other times he just glamorizes all the superheroes kicking all kinds of ass just cause he thinks it's cool, never mind we should be questioning these characters and their motives.

>>81781620
Yeah, but Superman did. No one got all ass-pained about it. Why is that, you figure?

>>81781631
>Shit needed 800 million box office to break even
Where did you get this number from, your wide gaping asshole?

WB needs considerably less profit margins than Disney does as unlike Disney, they didn't spend 4 billions buying the damn IP.

BvS is a massive profit success for WB. It's even in their fiscal reports where they are legally bound to tell it straight.

But sure the tales from your wide gaping asshole seem more reliable.

>>81781550
I could trace over a comic book page but that doesn't make me an artist, nor does it mean that I understand the source material

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>>81781550
>Snyder understands the characters on a very deep level

>Clark hates Batman because he kills evil criminals and wants him to stop
>same Clark mercilessly murders a guy when he threatens his girlfriend

Are you retarded or just pretending?

>>81781754
>same Clark mercilessly murders a guy when he threatens his girlfriend
Who? He didn't kill the African warlord you idiot. Look at the impact. Why are shitposters always barely mentaly functional?

>>81781673
My honest opinion of Snyder is that he's just an ordinary bro kind of guy that went to film school and somehow was handed the keys to some of the biggest comic franchises. The dude is so damn inarticulate in every interview. His reasoning behind fucking everything in his films are "It looks cool".

I remember some interview that mentioned his office having a bunch of axes hung up on the wall and his reasoning was "I just think axes are cool".

>>81781777
Snyder is far beyond than any MCU trash TV director?

Don't trust me. Just ask anyone working in the industry. Even MCU directors would say they are lesser than Snyder.

>>81781699

250 million production budget + 150-200 million marketing.

They get about 60% of box office.

It's no rocket science. Even Box Office Mojo has a page explaining it.

>>81781777
Zack "It Looks Cool" Snyderbro confirmed

>>81781775
Yes he did, it's talked about later in the film that the guy was killed.

>>81781695
The point was that Snyder said this Batman took a lot from TDKR, when the only thing that was lifted was him being bulky and the sniper scene. It was a buzzword being thrown around to vest peoples interest when the movie had nothing to do with the DKR at all. Like llegitimately nothing.

Batman never stopped being Batman, he kills people, and hes not an old man; also he fights Superman because he Lex kidnaps his mother, when all they had to do was just talk out instead of fighting.

TDKR has an old Batman who comes out of retirement and doesnt kill a single person, fighting Superman for political reasons.

Snyder likes lifting panels and scenarios, but the fact that he referenced TDKR as some bastion of influence on this movie is fucking ludicrous.

>>81781775
>He didn't kill the African warlord

Guy was fucking paste. He's dead.

>>81781832
>only thing that was lifted was him being bulky and sniper scene
No, the batman v superman fight sequence was lifted directly from TDKR, only it was done in reverse in BvS so that batman is the bad guy.

>>81781681
>kicking all kinds of ass just cause he thinks it's cool, never mind we should be questioning these characters and their motives.

Wasn't one of their motives socially acceptable violence? You think maybe by ramping up the realism of that violence Snyder might have been inserting a message if his own? Slow motion can do more than glamorize. It can linger on the brutality. You notice that Mason getting brutalized was portrayed in exactly the same way?

Fucking kids, I swear.

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>>81780859
>>81780920


>Bruce, the man, compromising to sate the "bat's" thirst for blood.
>You're actually Zack Snyder, aren't you

>>81781817
>What is merchandising and post-theater sales

You guys always seem so proud to point out what people don't account for while also not accounting for equally important income. Moreover, where do you get these marketing figures from?

>>81781777
>tfw bay is the same way
>tfw bay still ends up being a cinematic master
what the hell happened

>>81781858
Aside from Bruce in a robot suit it had nothing to do with the actual panel fight. Snyder likes taking the "this looks cool" aspecr of the panels. Other than that they couldn't be more different motivation, story or actual fighting wise

>>81781831
>it's talked about later in the film that the guy was killed

The only further word was Clark saying, "I didn't kill those men."

>>81781817
So it still made hundreds of millions in profit when factoring in DVD and merchandise sales? Alright, what a loss for WB.

>>81781875
It did poorly in merchandising.

>>81781864
>You think maybe by ramping up the realism of that violence
Bullshit there was no realism, it was hyperstylized like every bit of violence he portrays. This is clear when he even gives what are supposed to be ordinary humans super-strength in some fight scenes. He's clearly just trying to make fight scenes that people think are "cool".

>>81781940
Oh? Are you going to refer to this>>81781154
slide from 2013?

>>81781858
>Lifted directly

So Batman dies of a heart attack after stomping Supes with Green arrows help? And then you find out Batman knew the whole time he couldnt kill his old friend and faked his death to start an undergrounf rebellion against robo Reagan? Fuck I must have missed that.

>>81781875

Yes you fucking ape, I'm sure studio is 100% pleased with a movie that makes less than half of what Avengers or JW made despite being much more expensive.

It made just 100 million more than fucking R rated Deadpool with 50 million budget.

>>81781915
Clark is watching television and in the background you can hear a news report about the dead African warlord that was crushed by Superman. Stop shilling for a film you know hardly anything about.

>>81781621
Their roles were reversed. This shit ain't hard.

>>81782026
The news were rigged. Did you miss the whole point of the Africa scene?

>>81781983
Do you not understand that the image you just quoted doesn't support your argument but mine?

>>81782026
You're so full of shit.

>>81781915

He was talking about the villagers that woman was crying about.

Holy fuck and you Snyder babies claim you understand the movie while nobody else does.

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Participations for Civil War are so goddamn high because RDJ still has his points on box office revenue.

>>81782070
If the news is rigged then why did Lex spare the expense of sending men with experimental weapons to the desert in the first place? It would've been cheaper to just have the media go fake news mode, and he wouldn't have left a trail for an honest journalist like Lois.

>>81781914
>>81781992
The fight meant a completely different thing in BvS, not just that Batman could hold his own but win easily if he was trying AND he intended to kill him from the outset.

It was clearly adapted but the message was directly the opposite.

>>81782122
Oh, so "those men" isn't all-inclusive? If he'd killed anyone at all, wouldn't any further word on the subject be irrelevant?

Are you fucking retarded?

These are all rhetorical, by the way.

>>81775554
Because they hold up a mirror to american society and people don't like what they see. People want to be lied to which is why the Marvel films are so popular, they provide that escapism americans find so soothing. They can sit down in the dark and believe for a few short hours that the world is simple and heroes can take out the bad guys without sacrificing anything or risking anything.

>>81775924
>muh subjectivity

>>81782292

And then Logan came out.

Seriously, you fags are just hilarious at this point.

>>81781977
>super-strength

If you think punching through sheetrock takes super-strength, do some lifting, for Christ's sake.

>>81782292
Well put.

>>81782363
Yeah, Logan with it's nice in-your-face message about the the rainbow children crossing the border to safety. I can't begin to imagine why the critics gush over it and the audiences barely noticed it.

>>81781775
You can't throw a normal human man through 2 brick walls and expect him to live, that man is a liquid now

>>81782381
Bitch please. You really think this is normal shit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evrbXKspeAs

You can't even justify that shit with "peak human". Snyder just wanted to show super violent and stylized fight scenes.

>>81782508
Realistically he'd be dead before the impact, humans bodies can't survive suddenly accelerating to supersonic speeds from rest.

>>81782466
BvS/MoS is about accepting illegal aliens into our society because they are morally and physically superior to us.

You are one foolish goy.

>>81782172
Because they orchestrated the entire event, up to and including exposing the CIA plant. They used Lois to bait him into a scenario they could spin, and they had corroboration of his presence courtesy of the overwatch.

Man of Steel is essentially a perfect film.

Disney has not, and will never, create a film of such substance, quality and depth.

>>81782598
You know your film is shit when a post like this immediately comes off as bait.

>>81782508
>>81782543
Nor should Superman be able to just catch people in free-fall without turning their insides to paste, yet you give that a pass. There's this thing called a Kryptonian aura. There's this other thing called suspension of disbelief. Take your pick. The dude didn't die.

In related news, another "hero" Tony Stark punched a guy so hard, he flew thirty feet and left an imprint on a brick wall, shot six armed assailants dead, and left their leader to be torn apart by a crowd. No one batted an eye.

There's a word for that, too. It's called hypocrisy.

>>81782748
No actually the when he was catching Lois as she's falling they kept falling quite a while after he shows up, they did decelerate slowly.

>>81782748
He did die, it's confirmed later in the flick. I'm not putting forth the argument that the murder wasn't justified, I am just not letting you autists get away with the lie that he isn't a murderer when he literally and actually is. That's a major plot point, in fact.

>>81782820
Link it or admit you're full of shit.

>>81776609
>>81778092
are you guys retarded? The WB movies follow way more in the tradition of comics by building on and utilizing the stories that came before them to tell new ones.

MoS explores tons of ideas from Secret Identity and directly re-purposes scenes from Birthright, Byrne's Man of Steel run, Donner's Superman, and All Star Superman.


BvS takes from Peace on Earth, Death of Superman, and flips around scenes from The Dark Knight Returns to take a story that was originally a deconstruction and turn it into a reconstruction.


you plebs.

generally critics are retarded to the max even more than 4chan
( it was an awful movie really shitty yet it made 500 million profit kys )

>>81782879
Already said in the thread where it's confirmed. Not that it matters, you will watch the scene and in the face of actual evidence contradicting your point you will still try to weasel out, such in the way of the Shill.

>>81782809
That's not how he catches either the chopper crewman or Lois in MoS.

>>81782006
>100% pleased
Now you're just strawmaning.

This entire argument started with "why haven't they fired Snyder?" And I have been replying since explaining why, fiscally, these movies are not the disgraceful tragedies people like you believe they are. The fact that they keep him around and make more movies in the similar vein is self-evident of that fact. Idk why it makes you happy to imagine a bunch of buttflustered Hollywood execs, but they simply aren't. They aren't 100% happy like you are saying I'm implying, but they're not upset.

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ITS FUNNY AS SHIT

LAUGH YOU WORMS

LAUGH OR DIE

>>81778753
>who dont like Batman or Superman

couldnt be more wrong


>We really felt that they had an in into making him relatable, into making you care about him. But of course we wanted to read the script because the pitches are usually better than the script, and we were so pleased when we read the script. It was a really great way of getting at him. So then it was like, okay… Zack said, “I want to do this. I really want to do this.” And I said, “I feel like they really figured out a way to make this work.” And then I don’t think you can think about what the responsibility is. [Laughs] It’s like, too huge, right? So then you just have to go about your day-to-day.
http://www.craveonline.com/site/515353-exclusive-interview-deborah-snyder-talks-man-of-steel-and-easter-eggs

>>81782942
Which time, right after the rescue montage it when he's cooking breakfast.

>>81778919
but they understand him really well anon

>>81782098
do you not understand that that image is from 2013?

>>81782949
It's been a long fucking time since I saw MoS, at least they're getting better as they go along.

>>81778753
wrong. Snyder is a legit comic fan unlike the faggots at MCU. His works reflect the tone and subject of comics as of the last 40 years.

>>81775554

Because critics and audiences are fucking retards :see the world.

Snyder's "man of steel" is a passive-aggressive little bitch who lets a waitress get raped (in MoS) while he beats up someone's truck outside a bar. Absolutely terrible, uninspiring version of a character whose most admirable quality isn't his power, but his integrity.

>>81783272
Because Snyder doesn't understand Superman. At all.

>>81783356
how hard is it to understand people want to see superman cut things in half with fucking laser beams
also not a faggy lex Luther

>>81782942
>>81783034

Not even willing to offer up that much info?

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>>81783272
>Absolutely terrible, uninspiring version of a character
That's funny to hear, because he's actually managed to inspired me in both movies.

>>81783602
He's inspired a lot of people. Just not the same three Marvelets doing the circlejerk hating ITT.

BvS is already a cringe-inducing, yawning mess before the final act with Doomsday. At that point, I could barely stay awake.

>>81783602
>>81783658
Yeah, more than any cape character ever has on the big screen.

>>81783602
>>81783658
>>81783736
Same person. Nobody is inspired by an immortal, all powerful alien who doesn't have to face any consequences for his actions as he meanders through existence being worshiped and talked about for doing what are minor deeds for him.

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>>81783825
Eat shit.

>>81782942
>>81783034
>>81783554

Watched every TV scene. Warlord is never mentioned again. Not even once.

>>81784101
Yeah it's so hard to mspaint out yous. You're really on the cutting edge of proving your lies to be true.

I just watched batman vs superman for the first time so I could better understand these memes. It was not worth it. Holy fucking shit why was it 3 hours? They killed the retarded monster and there was still another 30 fucking minutes of the film. It was just ending after ending but it never ended. I'm genuinely depressed.

>>81784186
Yeah I stayed up late one night to watch it and by the time they were fighting oomsday I just kept tabbing out to do other shit.

>>81784172
It's a lot easier than getting an MCUck to admit when he's BTFO, that's for sure.

You the same sandy faggot who can't ever admit he's wrong? Not even with actual video evidence? Real hallmark of maturity, that.

>>81784221
I ended up killing my phones battery because I was playing threes! 10/10 game tbqh

>>81784326
I would've thought it impossible to make a boring movie about Batman/superheroes but Zack Didn't-Even-Tryder did it, by God he did it.

It reminded me of watching the original Hulk movie.

>>81784390
>It reminded me of watching the original Hulk movie.

Says pretty much all I needed to know about you.

>>81782949
That's definitely how he caught Lois in MOS. Not sure about the soldier but they were falling from a lower height.

>>81783825
You literally just described most myths and religions, the backbones of the civilization itself.

Or do you think people sacrificed virgins in the name of orange slices, faggot?

Lot of people in here take comic book films very seriously. They should consider the possibility that these films are ultimately just a distraction from the mundane lives that we lead until we eventually die, and that really arguing over "kryptonian auras" really isn't that important.

>>81784657
It is possible to describe two things at the same time even when the two things are not all alike, yes.

>>81775924
>the best art generates controversy
What a childish way to look at art.

>>81784783
It's also possible to be an intellectually cowardly fuck who never cedes a point. We have you as proof-positive of that.

>>81784837
Art invites discussion and debate. Entertainment generally just entertains.

>>81784879
You didn't make a point. You tried to compare a fictional pop culture comic book character to mythological figures. Maybe it isn't obvious to you but that's a very, very false comparison.

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>>81775554

Weak Cinematography
Weak Directors
Producers Who Don't Understand And Disrespect The Source
Casting With Some Ugly And Untalented Women

>>81784905
>Entertainment generally just entertains.
Did you figure that out all by yourself, champ?

>>81784927
Was someone else. But by all means, keep pretending they don't come from the same place in the psyche. All it will do is make it even more obvious you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>81784983
Did babby think that was clever? Oh, but I bet he did!

>>81775554
Marvel got in the game first.

DC is playing catch up and already has three dead chances; Super Man Returns, Dark Knight, Green Lantern.
Three super heroes they could have built on but instead chose to reboot

>>81785091
Of the ones you mention, I'd never try to create an extended universe around Nolan's trilogy. It's too grounded to bring legitimate metahumans into.

Also, I think you're expecting everyone to tell their stories all according to "the formula," which is not the only way, or even necessarily the *best* way to tell a story.

>>81775607
Very cool.

>>81778980
You do know that Lynch makes his movies to be fun in his own taste right?

>>81784905
False
inb4 impressionism

>>81775554
Because they're genuinely bad movies. These are objective facts, you contrarian cunts.

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>>81785699

Aaaaaaaand

Miscast

We're BAAAAAAAD GUYS, it's what we dooo.

>>81786159
[sooiler]Orange slices.