Chris Rock: Enough Jennifer Lawrence; Ask a Black Actress About

Why's Chris Rock standing in for Spike Lee this year?

Gary Sheffield isn't in the hall of fame you dumb ditsoon.

>>65723119
>They’re like, ‘Tichina who?’”

So is the rest of the world

What the fuck does the picture mean? What so he would have no problem if Larry Bird was living next to him or is he just going to cherry pick something else like

>"Look at this cracker driving on my road..he's a teacher..he didn't invent shit! GET OFF MY ROAD CRACKER!"

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>>65723119
Obligatory

>>65723119

I still don't know what the fuck his point is there...dentists make a lot of money. Should a dentist not make money because he's white?

Black people are 10% of the population...why would they make up the majority of a neighborhood anyway?

He probably paid for that house by working on your fucked up teeth nigga lel. That nigga's mouth looked like stonehenge back in the day.

>No I'm more oppressed
>No I am
>They're all rich Hollywood actors

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>>65723119
>Talk to Gabrielle Union. If you want to hear stories, talk to Nia Long. Talk to Kerry Washington. They would love to get to Jennifer Lawrence’s place, or just be treated with the same amount of respect.”

Guess they should have fucked Harvey Weinstein then

For a black guy he seems to be completely oblivious to how obnoxious black women are.

>>65723273
>>65723213
I think his point is that black people have to be entertainers in order to be successful in America and white people can do anything and be successful

It's a completely retarded point, probably one of the dumbest things I've ever heard, but that's what it is

>Someone who spent years in education and professional school doesn't deserve to be rich. Only people that luck in to fortune through sports or being tools for Jewish media should live on my street!

>>65723273
>>entertainer
>>entertainer
>>entertainer
>>person with a degree that improves people health

I guess he is shitting on how america values "fun" more than actual useful professions

>>65723119
>He didn't invent anything, he's a dentist
Says a comedian

>suddenly, everyone hates jennifer whorance

What went right?

>>65723119

nobody is stopping you from becoming a dentist chris...

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>>65724098
I used to defend her because I thought she was fantastic in Winter's Bone. Then she just kept getting more and more annoying until now I'm at the point where I hope she gets raped by a pack of wild niggers and she makes me want to smoke 2bh.

>>65723237
Oh God he's doing the Dreamworks face

>>65723689
its world famous comedian vs regular dentist.

>>65724170
>I thought she was fantastic in Winter's Bone
Same. I thought this right up until she made that essay for why she wasn't paid as much as Christian Bale for 10 minutes of screen time.

>Hall of famer
Didn't invent anything
>Hall of famer
Didn't invent anything
>R&B singer
Didn't invent anything
>Comedian
Didn't invent anything

It does sound a bit "me too"-ish. But Rock still has a point. Where JLaw has been praised by the media for speaking out about the gender pay gap in Hollywood for women, no one has mentioned the pay gap between whites and minorities. He's using his platform to call attention to the minority pay gap problem, which is oft-ignored.

why aren't white people this racially conscious? why don't we ever see white women take a stand for white men or vice-versa?

i really envy black people in this aspect

shoulda gone to dentist school instead of stealing toilet paper tyrellanasheeqa

>>65724424
If white people stand up for other white people, we get called racists.

>>65724342
world famous vs guy with an average white person job.

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>>65724342

That's not true, Patrick Ewing invented getting to the playoffs, getting my hopes up, and then getting rekt by the Bulls every year and disappointing me.

Kill me pls by the way thanks.

>>65724424
You see it all the time on Fox News.

>>65724238
So, world famous useless person vs a doctor

>>65724487
Dentists make an incredible amount of money, and aren't an "average" job. Try again.

>>65723237
What's your point?

>>65724238
>WHITE PEOPLE BE LIKE
>BLACK PEOPLE BE LIKE

versus

>Wow thanks doc you changed my life

>>65724487
>dentist
>average job

I don't even know why "white person" is in there dentists make loadsamoney

>>65724424
brainwashed

>>65724656
>dentist
>life changing

o lawdy dis white boi here

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>People actually bother to watch the Hollywood circlejerk known as the Oscars

>>65724346

>minorities

Please, Chris Rock is a fucking hypocrite. He's just whining about black people who are already rich not being rich enough. He's a fucking jew like literally everyone else who works in Hollywood

How come these niggers never mention any other minorities? Because they're self absorbed egotistical assholes, that's why. In their mind we're still living in the 1950s

Go look up dentist mortality rates. You gotta be a real stone cold motherfucker to survive in the harsh world of dentistry.

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>>65723119
>women are paid basically based on how attractive they are
>black women get paid the least

I don't see anything wrong with this

>>65723462
I thought he was making the opposite point (equally retarded), that black celebrities are worth less than dentists in America.

>>65723119
>Why do black people keep complaining we won't let them work?
>LOL NIGGERS R SO LAZY HAHA SLAVERY WAS GOOD XDDD
>>65724342
What did the dentist invent exactly?

Dentists are objectively more useful then all of the people he listed

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>>65724743
Almost as hard as being a comedian.

fucking niggers.

>>65724696
Braces are life changing, having shitty teeth and then having good/decent teeth is life changing, finding early signs of oral cancer is lifechanging

Sure check ups arent but you get the idea nigger

>>65724819
no one said he invented anything. but why is he acting he had to invent something to live on the same street with people who never invented shit either and objectively contribute less to society than the dentist?

>>65724170
>she makes me want to smoke 2bh.

I know that feel.

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>>65723119
The balls on that fucking nigger. Let's look at who's essential for human survival:

>a nigger who fights for balls
Nope.

>another nigger who fights for balls
Nope.

>a nigger who screeches and caterwauls
Nope.

>a nigger who got rich mocking other niggers for the enjoyment of whites
Nope.

>a dentist
Yes, actually. How is this not obvious?

>>65724819
>Why do black people keep complaining we won't let them work
Why does someone have to let you work? Why do people have to do things for you? Why can't they just take initiative like Asians?

>>65724819
>What did the dentist invent exactly?

Maybe he invented a new type of dentist drill

>>65725008
>Why can't they just take initiative like Asians?
Exactly, like my (funnily enough) dentist.

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>just a dentist
>just

He had to get a bachelor's degree, go to medical school for years, and work a long span in a specialization to get to his expected wage. Why belittle something if it makes a profit and is an honest living?

If I became a millionaire scientist and lived next to a millionaire garbageman, there shouldn't be a problem because we both worked for our money and chose to live nice lifestyles.

Dentistry is a service. Occasionally people who provide services will invent new techniques, but invention tends to be something that people who sell goods do to compete with other goods or create a new market.

>>65725098

We're talking about black people here. Hard work is usually something foreign to them.

>>65724238

Doctors & Dentists have to go to school & be part of practices for years before they start making good money. And apart from that only the good ones really make it.

Just because they aren't fucking famous doesn't mean they shouldn't make good money.

Also, if Chris Rock doesn't like it he should just move to another neighborhood of only black celebs.

>>65724506
kek

Underrated post familia.

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>>65724819
>LOL NIGGERS R SO LAZY HAHA SLAVERY WAS GOOD XDDD
/thread

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>>65724506

Fuck the Knicks

>>65725098
this bothered me

>singers and actors are real careers but people who spend their lives in school to medically aid people are not

>>65725404

Knicks fan here. I agree.

>W-W-WE'RE REBUILDING, WE'RE GONNA GET DURANT THROUGH MEME MAGIC, LEBRON TOO, PHIL WILL SAVE US, PORZINGIS WILL SAVE US, FISHER ISN'T THE WORST COACH IN THE NBA

Fuck this team. I wish I was a bandwagon degenerate so I could be a Golden Meme fan.

>>65724696
Found the britbong.

>>65723119
>Just a dentist
I fucking hate this pic. Does anyone have any fucking idea how difficult Dental school is these days?

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>"I'm more oppressed than you!"
>"Nuhuh! I'm more oppressed than you!"

And this is between two people that live in mansions and get paid millions upon millions of dollars to play pretend in front of a camera.

>Liberals.
>Not even once.

>he is just a dentist

I don't get what point he is trying to convey. Despite the seemingly inexplicable low regard people have for dentists, they are doctors who require a long and expensive schooling to practice. Its a profession that is extremely profitable.

The real question is why should someone who is basically a court jester think they deserve a better home than a highly trained medical professional.

>>65723119
It's begun. The moment we all predicted.
They're tearing each other apart, and it's glorious to behold.

>>65724346

>gender pay gap
>pay gap between whites and minorities

But both are fictional, so no, what Chris Rock is doing is hardly "heroic".

>>65723462
>>65724790
You're both giving his "point" too much credit with thinking up ways to rationalize it.

>>65724424

>why aren't white people this racially conscious?

A "racially conscious" white is typically labeled a "racist".

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>>65724506
Best post of the thread!

>>65725773
>>65725835
while basically complaining actors don't get paid enough

>>65724819

>Why do black people keep complaining we won't let them work?

Who isn't letting them work? And where?

Please be specific.
This vague shit might fly at your community-college Sociology class, but it doesn't fly in the real-world.

>>65723119
>that pic

Athletes have to work hard to earn money.
Singers have to work hard to earn money.
Comedians have to work hard to earn money.
Dentists have to work hard to earn money.

What's the issue?

>>65723119
I cannot read this in my mental voice, all I hear is Chris Rock.

>>65724342
Sports hall of famers create sports records and are modern heroes
Singers influence pop culture
Comedieans invent new social commentary

What social impact does a dentist have?

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>>65724346
>gender pay gap

Every time I see this shit I want to strangle someone.

Shit's been disproved for awhile now. Anyone who mentions it immediately announces themselves as an uninformed fucktard. BIG SURPRISE

>>65726070
Ask Chris Rock that question >>65723237

>>65725808
this, fuck all of these overpaid cunts and fuck the oscars.
chris rock was never funny and everything hes done since 1999 has bombed hard.

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>>65726070
>social impact

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>>65724170
This
except the rape and smoking part.

>>65723347
Fucking this

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>>65726070

>Comedieans invent new social commentary
>social commentary

So basically nothing?

>>65723347
I wish I was rich

>>65723119
This picture is so cringe worthy.
I wonder what his (most likely white or jewish) dentist thinks about this.

This little stupid comment he made is disrespectful. I hope his dentist decides to fuck his teeth up.

>>65724346
Whatever makes SJWs hate Hollywood is good

>>65726070

>sports records
>influence pop culture
>social commentary

So basically shit that doesn't exist in ANY tangible sense typically isn't even cared about by anyone with an IQ over 90.

WowIt'sFuckingNothing.png

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>>65723237
>>65726108
For fixing shitty teeth like that it'd actually be an orthodontist, not a dentist.

>>65723347
this

if you make millions of dollars you officially are in no position to bitch about being oppressed

>>65725270
Entertainment is also a service

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>>65725098

Are you autistic?

>>65724424

That's a complex question. Two overly simple answers :

1. American society is tailored to and benefits white people, so white people have already created a system that stands up for other white people - so they don't need to vocally stand up for each other. Like if you have parents that support you financially and raised you but they don't come to your defense in every argument you have.

2. White people standing up for other white people, on the basis of shared whiteness, is seen as racist by the media and twittersphere.

Not saying I agree with either answer.

>>65726348
No it's not it's a business.

>>65726640
>white people

Since when are jews white?

>>65726731

But Jews do stand up for each other all the time

>>65726731
Literally since anti-Jewish sentiment and anti-Jewish riots by blacks pushed Jews towards that side of the black-white dichotomy. Crown Heights, NYC 1968 teachers' strike, the Nation of Islam and open anti-semitism from people like Sharpton and Jesse Jackson produced that effect.

Blacks made Jews white; even the Jews didn't consider themselves white for most of the last century

>>65726640

>American society is tailored to and benefits white people

Stopped reading right here.

Either prove this myth isn't retarded bullshit, or stop using it.

>>65726731

Since it became convenient for them to be "white".

>>65723237
Is that Andre 3000?

So, you got me this far, niggers!

Which film with a black female lead am I seeing tonight?

>>65727364

That's Malecum X you racist shitlord.

>>65726640
>1. American society is tailored to and benefits white people

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand dropped

>>65723119
Based Chris putting rich white feminists in their place.

>>65724298
Pretty much this. Bitch goes and complains about not making as much as the lead actors when she's in a bit part, meanwhile the other woman in the movie who is one of the actual leads is getting paid the same as the girl with the ten to fifteen minutes of screen time.

That essay could have been so much different if she had just bitched about how Amy Adams got shafted instead of making it about herself. And also if she had somebody else actually write it for her because it looked like a slow fourteen year old wrote it.

>>65723119
>there is racial inequality in this country
>as a white individual, you should feel bad because it is inherently your fault

>30 years ago
>whites endless criticised for segregation
>today
>why does this white motherfucker get to live near me??

>>65727471
What do you call a Freudian slip that instead of pertaining to wanting to fuck your own mother it pertains to your insatiable lust black dick?

>>65723119
I don't get what his point is in that picture. Can someone please explain?

>>65723196
>They’re like, ‘Tichina who?’”
>So is the rest of the world

They were probably also like, "Who is Terry Crews?" and now Terry Crews is everywhere.

>>65723462
My dentist is black as fuck. Like, blacker than the blackest of nights. Nigga is so black he wears polka dot bow ties and BCGs and it works.

>>65723464
>>65723489
If that's the way you interpreted his quote, you're really dumb. Do I need to explain it to you, or are you just casting bait?

>>65724696
ask Tom Cruise

>>65726070
He has the social impact of you not having fucked up mutant teeth like the genetic mutant half of the U.S. consists of.

>>65723119
Is this nigger serious? Does he thing modern dentistry just magically appeared? Modern dentistry is the product of countless inventions and innovations by dentists seeking to refine their practice.

Send this fuck back to darkest africa where the cure a tooth ache by raping a newborn.

>>65723119
I'm actually with Chris on this. I've never seen a black dentist.

>>65728109

Better than the genetic mutant whole of the UK.

>>65725098

He could at least be a famous dentist.

How much do stupid niggers pay for grills?

>>65724487
>dentist
>average white person job

Reddit please leave.

>>65723119
Lol lets see when he needs a dentist. Basically he is understimating the dentist's work.

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>>65728199
You're talking to one.

>>65728290
You are high yellow at best

>>65727023
>>65727524
>I'm white and I can't place myself in someone else's position.

>>65724487
Dentistry is no different than being a doctor or a veterinarian. They all require secondary post graduate education.

It's a highly envied and desired field that lots of people would love to work in. It's not an "average" job at all.

>>65723453
He only fucks white bitches probably

Fuck blacks and their oppression rant.

>>65723119
I though hollywood payed actors based on how well they do in movies and their agents negotiating because of said success.
So a white actor who is in a lot of great roles will get paid more then any black or white actor who does flop after flop.

>>65723119
no one wants to pay to see black females in movies, the only reason they are there is jew hollywood pushes them.

>>65728214
Oh of course. That wasnt a shot at Americans.

It's just a lot of people have fucked up teeth. Dentistry is essential to public health and is just as important as any other form of healthcare.

People would actually die in droves without dentistry. Every person with misaligned wisdom teeth alone could possibly die without that surgery.

And that's like 90% of the human population.

>>65724487
>average white person job
>dentistry

This is why niggers will never succeed, it's too white for their taste

>>65723119
I never realized chris rock was so anti-education. Then again he is american, so I should have known.

>>65728412
Everyone will die in droves. Misalignment from wisdom teeth would not kill people in droves.

>>65728290
fk my gf pls

>>65728371
...uh-huh

same guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51vFbsZkhXU

>>65728321
>I'm black and think all my shortcomings are because of an imaginary system designed to oppress me

It's got nothing to do with racism in the industry, it has everything to do with marketability. White male actors are more marketable in the US than any other demographic so they're going to keep going with that until the public changes their opinion. Just give it some fucking time, MLK was only like 50 years ago, modern women's lib is even newer than that. Just needs time to mix into the media.

>>65728498
>he literally makes a joke about not wanting to live near "niggers"

Solid gold right there.

>>65728290
you had to graduate with honors in Chemistry just to get accepted into dental school right, or have things changed since the 1980s?

I'm trying to make the point that getting into dental school isn't a walk in the park here

>Performer
>Performer
>Performer
>Performer
>Performer
>WHY DIS WHITE DUDE HERE? HE DIDN INVENT NUTTIN!

You're right Chris, Dentists are the lowest of the low and (in a country obsessed with teeth) he probably only got to live in your area because of his privelage.

It's not like dentistry is hard or anything. That's why there's so many millionaire black dentists.

For a smart man, he sure does say some fucking stupid shit.

>>65723689
Comedians invent jokes!

>>65728199
His point is that middle to upper class blacks have to work much harder than whites to get to the same level. A white man can live in a very nice neighborhood just by being a dentist. A black man has to be a star athlete or a famous entertainer to be in the same neighborhood. Notice the disparity in talent and effort needed to arrive at the same relative social position.

This is actually a pretty good point, and I'm usually in the camp that believes blacks create most of their own problems due to a self-destructive culture ruled by crab mentality. And I think Chris Rock and other successful blacks realize that this is true, which is why they don't live with other blacks. They live with white people. That says everything you need to understand their frustration and bitterness with their success, really.

>>65728852
>Notice the disparity in talent and effort needed to arrive at the same relative social position.
I don't, honestly. Perhaps you could make it clearer?

>>65728477
lel

>>65728639
It wasn't required that you had graduated with honors, but the ADA made sure that everyone had done tons of gen, organic, and bio chem lab hours. All that on top of predent, and so many other prerequisites that didn't even really make sense, for example my school had a prerequisite that I had over 8 hours of physics courses. I still don't really understand that one. Add to all that having to take the DAT just to set foot in the door. So yeah, it's no walk in the park.

>>65723119
Why don't we poll his fellow African brothers in Africa? Who would they rather have visit them and provide their services, a man of the same color makes jokes that probably at least half make zero sense to them and whines about not having enough money as da white man while they sip from a puddle, or a dentist (white and Jewish and a ginger) who could save them years of future pain and provide them toothbrushes and paste so they can clean their teeth themselves? Along with all the other marvels dentists can do like removing cavities and putting on crowns or whatever (never had a cavity or anything so I don't really know what dentist are capable of)

>>65723119

Chris Rock is a great example of the fact sometimes Comedians can't cross over to film. He is one of the best Comedians of all time and yet can't seem to make a good movie.

>>65723119
>talk to Gabrielle Union
>talk to Nia Long
>talk to Kerry Washington
yeah alright, is this you offering to introduce me?

>>65728919
>8 hours of physics courses

Hours, not credits? How are you supposed to learn anything about physics from just 8 hours?

>>65728852
That's not because they're black, though. It's because lots of black people happen to live in impoverished areas. Lots of white people live in impoverished areas too. This isn't a black/white thing it's a poverty/not in poverty thing, it's less noticeable in whites because there are more white people overall

>Tichina Arnold
>She’s literally as good as Tina Fey or Julia Louis-Dreyfus
Ok, Chris

>>65725098
Dentists are the art degrees of medicine
The problem with your analogy is that it isn't based in the real world
There's no way to become a millionaire from just being a garbage man
Maybe innovating a new company that solves various waste removal systems, but that doesn't make you a garbage man, it makes you a CEO

Are niggers the only race that can only make it on entertainment? All the other races can get degrees and improve their situation, despite poverty, discrimination and other obstacles.

The only time I've seen this "but" of his about the dentist was in a stand up routine as part of a larger home about black people being terrible with money and just buying shit, it was as much a joke about darkies as it was The White Devil.

So I don't get why he'd suddenly bring it up separate as a "muh racism" thing.

>>65728852

>His point is that middle to upper class blacks have to work much harder than whites to get to the same level.

Can you please provide evidence that this is even remotely true?

America currently has blatantly racist legislation SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to put black people ahead of whites for doing less work, from race-based scholarships that give blacks free money for college to affirmative-action and tax-breaks for meeting "diversity quotas" that ensure blacks have as many short-cuts and undeserved successes as possible.

Please illustrate for me exactly how and why it's apparently so much harder for blacks to achieve what whites achieve. Be specific.

>>65728893
Becoming a hall of fame athlete or famous entertainer is much less common than becoming a dentist. A person who becomes a success this way can be called exceptional and talented. Yet despite being able to call themselves exceptional, they only reach the same social level as an ordinary white dentist. Not even an exceptional dentist who invented something or did a famous surgery or anything, just a normal dentist.

Blacks have to overachieve in sports or music or television to reach the upper 20% of America, white people can just go to dentist school.

>>65729050

That should say "thing" not home

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>it's a "The Left Eats Itself" series

>>65728321

>Pretend my delusions are real.

No.

Prove they are real or you will be ignored.

>>65723119
Shouldn't he be beating his girlfriend?

>>65729024
Most of the amazing success stories where kids from poverty or other countries make it big are black

>>65728967
>It's because lots of black people happen to live in impoverished areas
This is totally bunk though. You look at the poorest white areas in the nation and they have almost non-existent crime, let alone violent crime. There's no comparison at all. The only correlation between the most violent areas in the nation is the presence of blacks.

>>65729024
no I don't think any black person has a degree

>>65728852
But you don't have to be a star athlete, they just are.

Black dentists don't live in the fucking hood unless they want to. A black dentist makes as much money as a white one of they both work at the same place and do the same shit.

>>65729064
black people can just go to dentist school

>>65729064
Less uncommon but not necessarily harder. Making it in entertainment largely relies on you having the right face and the right P.R. company. Athletics is all genetic. The work is either done already or done by people far out of your control.

>>65723237
>Obligatory

What a second, an actor had his teeth done? Holy fuck, why arent more people talking about this? Can we get a sticky???

>>65729112
Not really, they're indians, latinos or chinks. Blacks only get headlines for sports and entertainment

>>65723347
High quality post.

>>65728964
In my college credits are basically called hours there. So 8 hours would be 8 classes that would take like 4 years to do unless they let you take two a semester which would take 2 years to do then. I'm not that guy though.

>>65723364
>making reaction faces out of that piece of shit
wew, laddie

>>65729131
Chris Rocks' examples though are actually talented people. He himself is a talented comedian, however humble he tried to be about it. Mary Blige has won over 100 awards worldwide for her music (and been nominated for hundreds of others). Gary Sheffield is a world champion baseball player and Patric Ewing a hall of fame basketball player.

These are not easy feats. This is a serious collection of talent.

>>65729011
Dude people in the waste industry and plumbers have higher than average wages.

>>65729139
Way to miss the point, dumb nigger

>>65729113
>This is totally bunk though
Is it?
Name some poor white cities, cities that are primarily white
Milwaukee is just an example of a crime ridden impoverished town, only just recently being dropped from the average list of 10 worst places to live

>>65729320
>Dude people in the waste industry and plumbers have higher than average wages.
That doesn't make the waste industry a highly lucrative field that produces a lot more rich people than most
the waste industry and plumbers have higher than average wages because
1. most people don't want to do their jobs
2. their jobs are stable because people will always need those services

>>65729170
No, most come from Africa
A lot do come from China and South America, but most definitely are from Africa

>rich people bitching about not getting more money, under the guise of fighting racism, sexism, and other "discriminations"

Is this what SJWs, PC police, and feminists want?

>>65729116
Even if they have the money to move into that kind of neighborhood, they often can't. Blacks encounter very reluctant sellers when they try to move into mostly white enclaves. This kind of stereotyping is built on the reputation that lower class blacks have and is somewhat justified. I mean, when you look at how prone to criminality the majority of blacks are, it makes sense that middle class whites like to keep their distance and are wary about letting them inside.

It's different when you're famous though. A household name even. Then you're an actual person they can respect.

>>65728964
Exactly what >>65729189 said.

>>65723489

why is fun in quotes?

>>65728852
I was just joking you know. There are no blacks where I live.

>>65728568
>imaginary system
Cute
>>65729092
If you would leave your yuppie neighborhood for 4 minutes you might be able to notice you're just one big delusional bastard.

>>65723489
He's probably shitting on the medical field for overvaluing their own professions leading to incredibly high costs and prices for basic living needs

>>65723347

How can rich liberals have zero self-awareness is beyond me. This is why I'm ashamed I was a liberal in my younger years.

>>65723462
Really fucking garbage example by Chris then and I love his shit.

Dentists are a fucking scam in America. I wouldnt be surprised if that Dentist had the nicest car and house lol.

Shouldnt blame whitey for that one, should blame the fucking dental industry.

>>65729492

>assuming to know where I live, and the nature of where I live

Isn't that racist?

>>65729541
Being rich makes you really stupid, liberal or conservative
That is, unless you made your wealth by being incredibly smart and not by inheriting it or by others valuing your talent

>>65729492

You were asked to prove something.

Can you prove it or not?

If not, please just go ahead and admit it, because it's a very, very simple task that could prove your argument.

>>65724487
>average white person job.

How about one that requires nearly 8+ years of schooling and a degree to even apply?

How about the fact dentists make retarded money regardless of race?

Hell, you think Dentists are "average" I wonder what you would think of fucking Orthodontists and their pay.

>>65729363
Milwaukee is 40% black and only 37% white. Why are you using it as an example of a white city?

But okay, look up Owsley county. 88% white, one of the poorest places in the entire country. Almost nonexistent crime.

>>65729575
>Isn't that racist?
>can't grasp basic concepts or dialogue
I wish reddit didn't kick out all of their retards and push them to /tv/

>>65729566
dentistry is not a scam it's incredibly expensive to practice and insure, like medicine, which increases the cost of receiving dentistry. If anything is a scam it's the insurance companies and reckless lawsuits which are a scam.

>>65729637

>no response

You assumed you knew the location and quality of where I lived on the basis that I was white.

Liberals like you typically call that "racism".

Stop getting mad that your own logic is being applied to your arguments.

>>65729363
>Milwaukee is just an example of a crime ridden impoverished town, only just recently being dropped from the average list of 10 worst places to live
Probably because half the city is niggers. Just like every other crime-ridden city.

>>65729642
I guess I should have said insurance, because thats generally the reason why our medical is a big scam.

>>65729492

So can you prove your claim or not?

Yelling "leave your neighborhood, whitey!" isn't a valid proof, by the way.

>>65727967

They could have been all like, 'Who is Patrice O'neal?' but now Patrice is dead.

>>65724629
It's an average job for white guys.

>>65729631
Milwaukee has had a growing population of blacks and a diminishing crime rate and that's not significant?
I was using it as an example because it was a shitty white impoverished town that became less impoverished and less crime ridden

But okay, look up Beattyville KY
almost 99% white, terrible crime

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>That one Liberal ITT that keeps getting his shit pushed in every time he makes an actual argument, so is now resorting to non-arguments and insults.

>>65729669
I'm actually not the anon you were arguing with
Asking a question, especially that of a definition, is retarded as far as arguments go

>>65729492

>my persecution is real and not imaginary!
Cute

>>65729741
>That one retard who insists that liberal ideals and values consist of PC bullshit and that conservatives are the opposite of PC bullshit

>>65729705
Good, one less convicted rapist piece of shit walking the Earth.

>>65723119

I don't care what black actresses have to say. I also don't care what Jennifer Lawrence has to say. None of their complaints are real. "Boohoo, I only made two million dollars this month." or "Boohoo, they didn't invent a job specifically for me!"

>>65729759

>Asking a question, especially that of a definition, is retarded as far as arguments go

No it isn't.

This entire thread is about perceived "racism", and one of the Keyboard Warriors that believes they are fighting AGAINST racism made a racist statement.

Again, stop getting mad when people take YOUR logic and apply it to YOUR arguments.
Everybody else is forced to have consistent logic if they want their views to be respected in a debate. You don't get an exception.

>>65728582
>until the public changes their opinion.
White male here, pls public opinion don't change until I'm already famous and made millions, thanks.

>>65724342
I know you are trying to be fucking dense here, but all of these people literally work and live of their creativity and wits and basically brought it to international fame by it.
You sound like an asshole

>>65729816

PC bullshit is the direct application of Liberal values.

That's why PC-culture is a DIRECT outgrowth of Liberalism.

Don't try to play the No True Scottsman Defense here.

>>65723237
I would like to get my teeth worked on. Nice to see someone had the money to do it.

>>65729829
>No it isn't.
It is when you could instead discredit their definition by applying it to several different places where it doesn't work
arguing "what IS racism" is a shit argument

>Again, stop getting mad when people take YOUR logic and apply it to YOUR arguments.
Again, I'm not that anon
I just jumped in because I thought that saying "Isn't that racist" was just a terrible post

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>>65723237
OH, oh, I get it. Because he's somewhat degrading dentists in the OP. Yeah, that makes sense.

>>65729669
That wasn't the same guy, you over active shit poster.
It's not racism, it's prejudice. But if you can't grasp that, this conversation is already a lost cause.
>>65729612
Please prove that the system isn't rigged in white's favor. I'm waiting, please.
If you actually can't understand why that is, maybe you should look back on our colorful history of the last socially tolerant 50 years. You fucking retard.

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>>65723462
I don't think that is >>65724790
the point. The point is black people in America have to be extraordinary, the best of the best, to gain the same type of wealth or lifestyle or respect as a caucasian in some average career.

>>65729876
>Don't try to play the No True Scottsman Defense here.
>in an argument about political spectrums
>spectrums being a vast expanse of several points that represent different ideas
I'm not saying, "That's not what a real liberal would think"
I'm saying, you're a retard for thinking that's what liberals are and that the direct application of Liberal values is something that is purely socially concerned
Stop reading buzzfeed and hatejerking onto the reply box

>>65729938
>Please prove that the system isn't rigged in white's favor. I'm waiting, please.
Take a gander at West Virginia which is overwhelmingly white. Consistently one of the poorest places in the country.

>>65723119
>takes handout from Adam Sanders
Chris Rock is shameless

>>65723462
>I think his point is that black people have to be entertainers in order to be successful in America and white people can do anything and be successful

That's not true - look how many young black students are getting into college these days and getting an education. And look how many of them are choosing a career in sports over a career in, say, medicine or engineering. Of course, good for them - being a good athlete can be more enjoyable than being a good doctor or engineer, but nothing is stopping black kids from becoming dentists.

Just like when these young 20-something rappers rap about the next generation going to college and becoming lawyers and doctors, instead of taking the profits they've made from their album and going to college to become those things themselves.

we live in a time where degenerate 'comedians' and 'singers' earn more than a doctor who spend half his life establishing himself

>>65729876
>That's why PC-culture is a DIRECT outgrowth of Liberalism.
Not that guy you're talking to, but that's just not fucking true. You are seemingly just dumb. 'PC-culture' is just a fucking right wing buzzword. So if anything it was invented by fucking subversive self proclaimed conservatives like you

>this thread

/tv/ has truly gone to shit. This is how I know /tv/ isn't /pol/. It's more like /pol/ for 12 year olds. The real /pol/ would laugh at this debacle as socialism eat itself. /tv/ just gets mad because a black person mentions black people.

>>65730007
You don't honestly think one underpopulated state disproves inequalities in the system, do you?

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>>65730039
it's one of these posts

>>65730096
Moving the goalposts a bit much, are we? Why does the white supremacist system that benefits white people ignore West Virginians?

>>65724424
No, no you dont.

>>65729443
Hell, this is what I want becuase it's funny as fuck. Much more entertaining than the material they produce, unless this is all a PR stunt, in which case I've been had.

>>65730039
And have been doing so since the 50s.
Go kill yourself.

>>65728937
Don't most Africans hate black Americans anyway? I mean besides the God praising ball kicking children

>>65730125
>Moving the goalposts a bit much, are we?
Nope.
Your anecdote doesn't disprove how the system is flawed against certain people. Sorry.
>One state out of 50
>Literally 0 blacks
>I'm so good at this
You could try, you know.

>>65730080
kindly fuck off to /pol/ then.

>>65724971
So, then a dentist is more useful than Christian Bale?

>>65730080
>The real /pol/
oh christ
when will the "/pol/ used to be GREAT" meme die

>>65730174
Oh okay, so when you claim the system inherently favors white people at the expense of everybody else and somebody mentions a state filled with poor whites, it doesn't count.

>>65728997

I'd say she's funnier than Tina Fey. Every movie Tina Fey's been in with Amy Poehler, Poehler's been the funnier one every time.

>>65730165
>Don't most Africans hate black Americans anyway
Not anymore than the average white person
Africans typically stick to their own kind, as with literally every single demographic ever

>>65730165
>Don't most Africans hate black Americans anyway
No they don't. Source: lived in Kenya and Ivory Coast for over 2 years and have friends from there. Also I'm white.

>>65725808
There are even richer people who live in mansions and never go on camera. To them the talent is just hired help.
The stars are fighting against the billionaires, not joe schmo.

>>65730205
How about you go there and ask them? This isn't /pol/, shithead

>>65730195
Yes, you fucking idiot. Pop entertainment is a luxury. If push came to shove I'd throw Christian Bale and his whole fucking family over the side to make room for a dentist on the last lifeboat.

>>65730237
Fey is a better writer than an actress.

>>65724971
You are a fucking disgrace for white people. You are so dumb it hurts.

>>65730292
>This isn't /pol/
No shit, I'm not literally retarded so I can actually understand that this isn't /pol/
I'm not the idiot who brought up /pol/ in a thread on /tv/, dumbass

>>65729690
although malpractice suits are prohibitively expensive which drives up the cost of practicing medicine which drives up the expense to receive medical care or pay your insurance premiums so as always it's lawyers who fucked us all over.

>>65730213
No. It doesn't disprove the point, Anon.

>>65723119
He's literally saying
>dis honkey gets a free spot in muh rich neighbor hewd cuz hes white
>my black ass had to be a entervator and dis honky mofo cleans teef
>das amerika

Chris Rock is such a low IQ nigger that its literally never occurred to him that people can invest their money wisely and end up multiplying their working wages. He can only fathom getting handed a check and either spending it now or spending it later.

>>65730336
Why wouldn't they just get rid of you?
You aren't incredibly attractive and probably incredibly healthy nor are you a doctor

>>65724971
>implying you know what intelligent people need in their life.
Stop posting, lowlife

>>65730352
Oh okay, so poor black people are evidence of systematic oppression against them but poor white people only even exist "anecdotally".

Cool story friend. If poor whites existing doesn't invalidate the claim that the system of biased in favor of white, doesn't the existence of rich blacks disprove your allegation?

>>65730364
You don't sound very smart, because that's not what he's saying.

>>65729850
Chris Rock was the one who said the dentist didn't invent anything, which seems to be the qualifier of greatness.

>>65730195

Yes, of course. My life would be shit with cavities. And I'm pretty sure Christian Bale pull out my wisdom teeth.

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>>65730343
>valuing the social contributions of a dentist above those of two niggers who plays with balls and two niggers who yell for a living is dumb

You also misused the preposition "for"; you meant to use "to", but you're a low-IQ prole. Have fun voting yourself a living later this year, scum.

>>65730401
Not him but check out statistics, you piece of shit.
Also it's an issue of class and education, blacks are pushed into lowest of classes however.

>>65730047

>'PC-culture' is just a fucking right wing buzzword.

You have a lot of fucking balls to try and make this claim in 2016, when libshit SJW's can literally get a CEO of a multi-million dollar company fired because he donated money to the "wrong" charity.

>>65730383

This isn't about me or you, this is about celebrities and dentists, you dumb child.

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>>65730431
you tell him! nice username, by the way

>>65730455
Are you dismissing his point on purpose?

>>65730516
>It's 2016, how do you even have the balls to make this claim
Full Circle

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>>65729938

>It's not racism, it's prejudice.

OH BOY, THIS ARGUMENT AGAIN

>>65730537
I am, because his point isn't a good one.

>>65729642
Wisdom teeth removal will never not be a scam.

>>65729938

>It's not racism, it's prejudice.

How is that any better?

>>65730499
>Singers and comedians are people that yell for a living
Also you are missing the point the guy is making on purpose.

Also I'm not an American, faggot.

>>65730500
>check out statistics
>blacks are pushed into being poor and uneducated
Who pushes them, anon? The big white conspiracy?

Certainly people are only poor and uneducated because of outside influence completely unrelated to their capacity to make good decisions.

>piece of shit
I'm white, anon. Don't be such a bigot. At least get your slurs correct.

>>65730400
You mean, "in their lives". "Their" is a plural possessive pronoun and requires numeric agreement, but you're likely a negro or American, so consequently not smart enough to understand any of this.

>>65730383
I actually am a doctor, but you probably meant "physician". My doctorate is in economics, which is a smart person science that you have no grasp of and is crucial for human survival, unlike your existence and the existence of most negroes.

>>65730534
But you have to consider that attractiveness is typically a sign of health and obviously medical skill is of value, so why wouldn't they just kick off all of the non-healthy unskilled people?
If you're the person who is in charge of valuing skill versus future growth and promise, why are you so valued over everyone else?

>>65729938

>Please prove that the system isn't rigged in white's favor.

Not how it works you colossal faggot.

You made a claim, and you have failed to prove it.
You don't "prove" negatives. You prove positives. With evidence.

Why am I not surprised an SJW doesn't know how to argue?
Or are things like "logic" and "reason" an invention of the white-man designed to keep you down?

>>65730535
>Yeah t-the epic raddit defense - That'll sure show him

>>65730602
>I actually am a doctor, but I'm not a physician
>economics is a smart person science
>economics is crucial for basic human survival
my god
I've been talking to a retard this entire time

>>65730548
You are saying there isn't a point in what he is trying to say?

>>65730205
I never said /pol/ used to be great. /pol/ has always been retarded but /tv/ is even more retarded than /pol/ ever got.

>>65730542
They're two separate things you mouth breather
>>65730578
One is one person being a dick to you, the other is the system being a dick to you. Which would you prefer?
>>65730597
still not trying

>>65730595
No, I'm still correct and still grasping his point. You're wrong and dumb, and evidently some sort of non-white, so that explains everything. We're finished here. I've got a great life to get back to, and you're a basement-bound shitposter, so enjoy that until you commit suicide.

>>65730080

>Black person says something stupid.
>We call that person stupid.
>"OMG WHY ARE YOU SO MAD, /POL/??? XD"

I love this defense.
This is how you know the SJW's in the thread have run out of arguments.

>>65730663
No, not at all. I'm saying his point is bad, did you read my post?

>>65730597
>Who pushes them
It's called a vicious circle, you white piece of shit.

>>65728290
You have a very effeminate hand

>>65730628
Okay, how about how people of color had to fight for the right to vote? Or how they had to work for affirmative action? Literally needing to make rules so the system treats them fairly. It's not my fault you're an idiot whose only information is from /pol/'s out of date nonsense.

>>65730681
I love how poor your reading comprehension is.

>>65730668
>still not trying
>"I can't defend my ideas so I'll just claim I won."

>>65724914
Cosmetic changes effect nothing but your ego, just like your racial views.

Literally no one gets oral cancer unless they're smoking or sucking dicks.
>>65725711
>>65728063
Found the children with meme answers

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>+200 replies
>Liberals ITT are STILL unable to provide any concise proof that the "system" is "rigged" against non-whites

How hard can it be?
If your views are correct, they should be very easy to prove.

>>65730672
>German
>non white
Top kek.

>>65730553
it cost me like $150 because I had dental insurance, isn't there like a 75% chance of them causing health issues after a few years?

My mouth is crowded too so I don't think I got scammed I don't want my teeth anymore fucked up.

>>65730724
You havent supported your opinion with anything that isn't
>LALALA IM WHITE I HAVE IT GOOD AND LIFE IS KINDA RUFF BUT MANAGEABLE, WHY CAN'T THE NIGGERS GET IT TOGETHER?

>>65730630
>him
implying its not just you samefagging

>>65730706
>a vicious circle
Like alcoholism but nobody blames a white conspiracy. They rightfully blame the alcoholic.

>>65730742
It's called a vicious circle. Look it up.

>>65730742
>pretends to be smart/have a superior view
>uses anime reaction images
>summarizes the entire thread into "I DON'T BELIEVE YOU LALALA"
I want retards to leave

>>65730742
>People keep links on hand for common knowledge situations
Hows that mental handicap working out for you?

>>65730500

>blacks are pushed into lowest of classes however.

How?

By who?

And who "pushed" the poor uneducated whites in the lowest class where they are?

>>65730784
How fucking dumb and new to the internet are you?

>>65724487
An average white person job is standing next to a machine, waiting for it to break so they can complain.

>>65730764
>still can't defend his ideas
>let me just talk out of my ass until he gets bored and it'll seem like I made a valid point

>>65729971

That's not true though

The reason that dentist probably has that big house is because he lives in a place where he can charge the people that live there exorbitant amounts of money because he knows what they're willing to pay because they themselves are rich

It's not like dentists of other races are paid less, that particular dentist just either lucked out or went to an amazing dental school to be able to get that kind of position

If he were black and in that position it would be the exact same circumstance

>>65723119
>Hall of Famers, R&B legend, Chris Rock, Dentist

Chris Rock is the oddity in that scenario. What the fuck does he contribute to society? At least the dentist plays a role. Rock should be happy he gets paid for being a face with words.

>>65730787
You sure as shit can't compare that. Stop being polemic.

>>65729938
you fucking idiot, racism is a form of prejudice, based on race.

This is one of the dumbest things SJWs spout. All racism is prejudice, not all prejudice is racism.

>>65730787
>They rightfully blame the alcoholic
Actually they blame the circumstances that are around the alcoholic, from genetics to economic status
And then they give the alcoholic the help they need to get back up to societal standards, either with government funded programs, housing, jobs, etc
Even if the alcoholic shows literally no signs of improving

>>65730668

>They're two separate things you mouth breather

And? They're still similar.

Getting kicked in the nuts with a cleat and getting kicked in the nuts with a boot are also different.

That doesn't mean they aren't equally shitty.

>>65730821
Tradition.
Also some people are just dumb, anon.

>>65730850
Of course I can't compare them because in your mind, blacks have less moral agency than alcoholics.

>>65730821
>How?
Largely 'white flight'
>By who?
people who were brought up with the idea that other folks aren't people because of their skin color
>And who "pushed" the poor uneducated whites in the lowest class where they are?
Probably the same system that looks down on uneducated idiots. It's just a lot harsher to black people.

>JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE WHITE POOR PEOPLE, THAT MEANS WERE ALL EQUAL
What kind of bubble do you have to live in to think like this? Not even blacklisting people for typing "@" on twitter could shelter someone this much.

>>65730500

>Not him but check out statistics, you piece of shit.

What statistics? Can you please cite them?

I wasn't aware that there were statistics that proved the invisible hand of a vast white conspiracy keeping poor blacks out of dentist-school and engineering-classes.

That sounds pretty important. I'm surprised I haven't heard of them.

>>65723119
I was never a racist, but progressives are making me one.

>>65730742
I'm not liberal at all but systemic racism is very real by virtue of the fact that system classicism is real. I don't think anyone educated, conservative or liberal disagrees with that. The debate is on how do you deal with it and or whether it's pure classicism, racism, or a mixture of the both. Either way the system is "rigged" against people who are less likely to be exposed to big business culture at a young age. Personally I wouldn't say it's entirely racist because I think any race at the top would do the same. But racism is certainly a byproduct of it.

>>65730892
What are you even on about, you racist faggot?

>>65723119
WE WUZ OSCARZ N SHIET

>>65729938

>It's not racism, it's prejudice.

Oh, well, that's TOTALLY different then!

>>65730871
But getting kicked in the nuts and getting systemically oppressed are two different things, certainly you can see that.
>>65730857
>Being this retarded
Come'on.
>>65730842
What exactly are you doing differently?

>>65723119
yeah deh white man always be keepin me down muhfuggas bix nood

>>65730910
Check out how many white people are poor and how many blacks are. Then check percentages.

>>65723489
This. America is a shit hole because of this fact. Entertainers are given more respect than people who have actual skills necessary for helping people.

I'm so fucking fatigued from all the social politics that I just shut off whenever I hear absolutely anything. The left never help themselves

>>65730916
same senpai

>>65730719

>Okay, how about how people of color had to fight for the right to vote?
Please tell me how something that happened more than 50 years ago at this point is now keeping blacks out of college or nice jobs.

>Or how they had to work for affirmative action? Literally needing to make rules so the system treats them fairly.
Holy shit, this delusion. This retard thinks that affirmative action is an example of "fairness".

Are you fresh out of a West Coast high school by any chance?

>it's a /tv/ complains about a black man making an observational joke thread

It's weird, for some reason I assumed that between Chris Rock and memecow, /tv/ would take Rock's side
Apparently not

>>65730910
>keeping poor blacks out of dentist-school and engineering-classes.
That's because it starts way before that.
Also it's not you can easily spiral upwards socially if you grow up in a really bad spot, don't you think?

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>There are actual unironic SJW's on /tv/ right now that believe in a massive invisible white conspiracy designed to keep blacks from achieving things.

I legitimately wish it was trolling, but they seem to ACTUALLY believe this shit.
We are ACTUALLY getting an invasion of Tumblrites.

>>65731020
*not like

>>65726299
To be an orthodontist they have to get their odontology degree in some countries (i dont know if its the same in the us)

>>65723119

literally every actress he mentioned has earned more money than your average person will in a lifetime

face it blacks are now crying whining entitled cunts..

>>65730706
>black kids idolize rappers who idolize criminals who influence rappers who influence black kids who commit crimes and go to jail or join gangs who knock up black chicks and leave them to raise their black kid alone who are later influenced by rappers

Nowhere in the vicious cycle have white people done anything to keep black people down save for throwing a few well deserved faggots in prison.

>>65731011
It's becoming more and more obvious everyday that /tv/ has a lot of misplaced anger towards blacks. It makes sense that a board centered around media would be completely brainwashed by the media.

>inb4 BUT IM NOT LIBERAL SO IM NOT BRAINWASHED

if you think 1 celebrity nigger speaks for all black people, you are definitely brainwashed.

>>65731051
>massive invisible white conspiracy designed to keep blacks from achieving things
>tumbler
>sjw
Keep those buzzwords coming instead of arguing, asshole

>>65730906
>white flight when white people move away
>gentrification when they move back

>>65727622
>slow fourteen year old
Well, she is appealing to her audience then. I want to say she, and by she I mean her PR and production funded team, intentionally penned that letter in a way that would reach her main audience the best, her main audience being teenage girls.

>>65731051
>There are actual unironic SJW's on /tv/ right now that believe in a massive invisible white conspiracy designed to keep blacks from achieving things.

I've read through the thread and I haven't seen this once. Is it possible you are embellishing in an attempt to discredit your opposition?

>>65729631
>Owsley county

4,500 people, of course you're not going to steal or rape when it comes to your very likely cousin.

>>65730710
Really? Never heard that before. My hands and fingers are really big because I'm a lanklet, my coaches in high school and college always tried to get me to play sports but I'm more Urkel than Lebron.

>>65730706

>It's called a vicious circle

Perpetuated by who?

I am legitimately asking.

>>65731070
>I-it all started with rappers

Are you lacking an actual education? Are you just pretending to be this dumb?

>>65730809

If it's so "common" then why have I and half the thread not heard of it?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof you titanic retard.
Nobody is going to believe your claims of conspiracy without proof. Either provide it or shut up.

>>65730738

Go be a disgusting yellowtooth somewhere else you third world scum.

>>65731112
>why you running whitey? scared o' a lil bbc?
>sheeit why these whitebois coming to my hood tryin to gentrify me and sheeit

>>65731070
Where did rap and gangster lifestyle come from, you dip?

>>65730809
>common knowledge situations
You can't find a google link in less than a minute for a "common knowledge"?

>>65730796

>summarizes the entire thread into "I DON'T BELIEVE YOU LALALA"

You haven't presented any proof that your claim is true.
You have to HAVE an argument before your opponent can ignore your argument, dipshit.

>>65731122

The woman I rape possibly being my cousin only makes it hotter.

>>65731128
You can't be this dumb. I refuse to believe you.

>>65731115
I'm pretty sure it's because she dropped out of high school.

>>65730906
Whites leaving a place = blacks being systematically held down?

What kind of logic is that supposed to be?

>>65731112
>white flight when white people move away
Yeah it was weird to call it that.
>gentrification when they move back
Well when you move into shitty places and make people who were paying 60 dollars for rent start paying 300~500. Yeah that's gentrification. Whites do it to whites too so it's not really racially specific.

>>65730809

If it's so "common" then Googling it should be a fucking cinch.

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You ever heard of the African-American Inequity Theory? It's like in real life, we view success linearly forward.

But outside of black lives, from what would be a white perspective, time wouldn't exist, and from that vantage, could we attain it... we'd see... our ghettos would look flattened, like a tenement block filled with thuggish drug dealers in a superposition of every place it ever occupied. Our sentience just cycling through black twitter in our mothers basement, like Colt .45 in a storm drain.

See, everything outside of black culture... that's normalfags, normalfags looking down on us. Now, to us, it's a way of life, but to them... it's a problematic experience caused by white supremacy.

In real life, where there are no drug dealers and gang members, niggers can't grow. Niggers can't become. Niggers don't change. So LBJ created the Great Society programs to grow the niggers that police would kill, and then they are protested, but into the same system that didn't care about them in the first place, that they've always been born into.

How many times have we had this thread, guys?
Well who knows. When you can't remember your lives before the ghetto, you can't change your lives.

And that is the terrible and the secret fate of Blacks.
You're trapped, by that nightmare you keep waking up into.
And white people put you into that nightmare.

What I love about these threads is none of the intelligent posts from either side get any serious responses.

>>65730906

>Largely 'white flight'

How is white people moving some place better "oppressing" you?

I thought that white people were the ones "oppressing" you n the first place.