Why wouldn't this have worked?

>>65129805
On foot, probably would have added many years to their trip.
>inb4 eagles etc

>>65129805
Too long.
Gondor and Rohan would've been overrun.

>>65129854
>>inb4 eagles etc

Yes eagles, why didn't they just tell an eagle to throw the ring into mount doom?

>>65129854
>Many years

That's fucking bullshit. The whole thing took like 6 months in the book, and that was with delays.

>>65129805
>Gundabad

its orc territory

>>65129805
>Makes the same thread
>Still no way into mordor
BRAVO OP

>>65129906
Easily spotted and caught by the zombies riding flying dinosaurs

>>65129915
It took like 10 years retard

>>65129915
I thought it took them quite a while in the book. Like at least two years

>>65129805

>why would quadrupling my travel distance in a time sensitive matter be a problem?

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>going through angmar

>>65129915
>The whole thing took like 6 months in the book
It took 11 months in the book, and the trip in OP's map is several times longer.

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How bout this?

>>65129956
Really? I don't know about that at all. I haven't read the books but I'm pretty sure it was like 6, maybe 12 months at the most. They weren't walking the entire circumference of the Globe.

>>65129906

weren't the eagles neutral up until a certain point? I thought it said something like that in the hobbit

>>65130019
Truly you are the Lord of the Rings.

>>65129805

ah yes, the famous "let me just walk into the witch kings frozen wasteland of a realm and then straight past the biggest orc stronghold" route

what could possibly go wrong

>>65129956
>>65129993
>>65130000
the actual trek, not taking into account stops took 6 months

>>65130019
Still better than OPs route

Arnor is infested with baddies, so is Gundabad, trip would've taken too long and Sauron would've conquered Gondor.

Why is Sauron allowed to use his OP as fuck powers but Gandalf isn't?

>>65129805
>brave angmar's kingdom (Gunduband)
>go through moria which, according to gandalf's suspicions contains an awakened balrog

seriously why the fuck didn't gandalf just come out and say "well i dont really want to go there cuz im pretty sure the dwarves woke up the most badass fucking creature next to sauron."

>>65129915
50 year between frodo getting the ring and gandalf coming back ALONE

dont you ever post here again

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>>65130065
>After all these years I have finally become The Lord of The Rings™

>>65129997

And literally nothing is there.

>>65130040
Eagles are the errand boys of Manwe, who is the king of the Valar. They sent the wizards there, because the last time they personally showed up the accidentally a whole continent.

>>65130120
He's an edgelord who doesn't care about the rules.

>>65129956
You are a massive fucking retard for even thinking this. Frodo left bag end on september 23 the year 3018 and returned november 1 the following year 3019. It's in the appendices

>>65130143
Its a cursed and frozen land. If the wraiths don't get you, the cold drakes will.

>>65130134
The story of Frodo and Sam taking the ring to Mordor was 11 months, start to finish. less than a year. YOU don't ever post again.

It's not really a long time at all. WW2 went on for 5x that length of time.

>>65130143
Nigger, did you miss the fact that thy were almost killed by ghosts when they were just on Angmar's border?

>>65130192
uhhh hello retard lmao ur the fucking retarded it says in the shadow of mordor video game that it took years rofl fucking idiot who do u think ur talking too

What I was thinking is disguising themselves and entering through Rhûn where there are no mountains and orcs are marching the other way.

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>>65129906

>>65130247
The barrow downs was not near Angmar's border

>>65130143
>it wasn't in the movie so nothing is there

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OP, you're retarded. But why the fuck didn't they just do this?

Pros:
-shorter distance
-water travel is faster
-no mountains to scale on the east edge of Mordor
-unexpected path because Sauron would be bolstering his forces in the west to oppose Gondor

Cons:
-literally fucking nothing

Name a single flaw.

>>65129805
cause that is clearly a cock

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objectively the safest route

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>>65130065
love you m8

>>65130289
Well technically nothing is there, because "there" doesn't actually exist.

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>>65130304
OH YOUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>65130304
>what is Aman

>>65130304
>Name a single flaw
you're trying too hard

Why didn't Sauron at least order a big door built there?

Yeah yeah, Sauron couldn't comprehend anyone trying to destroy the ring. But you just know some orcs went up the mountain every once and a while to take a shit on his forge or piss into the lava. I'd have locked it up just in case. You use it what once every two thousand years?

>>65130131
That's why they want to sneak through. A million orcs and Evil creatures will kill just as well as the Balrog, and you'd have to be a lot luckier to sneak by them.

>>65130348
Not a place you can find on a map in the third age.

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>>65130283
Isn't the Shire technically a part of Angmar since it's in what was Arnor?

>>65130366
Why didn't he just fill it in with concrete?

>>65130304
lel

>>65130356

I accept your concession, anon.

>>65130366
This is pretty much the only plothole
If gondor and Rohan kept people living in the mountains for the sole purpose of lighting a fire, Sauron could spare a few orbs to guard the mountain door

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>>65129805
This would have worked

>>65130393
Angmar≠Arnor.

Thats like saying Gondor=Mordor.

>>65130304

>name a single flaw

Countless human eastern armies were marching that direction, mong.

>>65130426
>plothole
anon plz go

>sea of rhun
>it's actually a lake
BRAVO TOLKIEN

>>65130393
No
The borders of Angmar extended to Fornost at their greatest extent, and when the witch king left the orcs etc. there just retreated back to their mountain caves

>>65130366
>Big door

You're thinking too small. Seal off Mt.Doom entirely. Just totally seal the place off. When the thing which holds most of your power is in the hands of someone who might wish yo destroy it, and the one and ONLY place you can destroy it is in your backyard, then you better make fucking sure that place is totally inaccessible to literally everyone.

>>65130442

Sauron says that

xD

>>65130454

They were all marching west. If they'd taken my path they'd come around behind all of Sauron's armies and done it in less time to boot.

>>65130454
>Hobbits get on each other's shoulders, wear trenchcoat

>blend right in, get an escort to Mordor

it's flawless

is there more lazy design that mordor?

literally just a square

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>>65129805

>angmar
>gundabad

why did they not just go to harlond and catch a boat to belfalas and walk to mt doom from there?

it would've been 10 times less riskier until they hit mordor

>>65130517

So are you, but we're polite enough not to harp on it.

>>65130426
The whole point of the battle of morannon was the bait sauron into emptying out every orc in mordor.

At that point he assumed that Aragorn had the ring, and was coming to wreck his shit. He was afraid because Aragorn had a strong enough will to make the ring his own (it would still corrupt him, but he wouldn't be sauron's direct tool).

As far as sauron knew, every single thing that would assure his victory was standing in front of his gates with a pitiful force. He wanted to smash that shit.

>>65130554
PIRATES

>>65130517
It's explained in either the Silmarillion or the history books.

>>65130566
throw the ring overboard, ring would be lost for a few million years then.

>>65130517
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB5YkmjalDg

>>65130554

Pirates, eastern ships in the bay etc

>>65129906
The ring would have corrupted the eagles long before they got to Mordor

>>65130554
Corsairs owned the coast. Dol Amroth and Pelagrir were the only strongholds.

>>65130559
hey your book might not have feelings but i do

>>65130566
Elf ships go faster

>>65130599
It'd still exist, and who knows what creatures rest in the deep sea? (Cthulu)

>>65130599

they suggested that at the council

the point is they want to get rid of it for good not just postpone the shitstorm

why not just shoot the ring with one of gandalfs rockets?

>>65130626
>>65130653

anything is better than an edge lord with an army.

>>65130331
>"there and back again"

>>65130304
The elves would blow you out of the water once you drifted under their invisible land. Also the back of Mordor is where Mordor gleams all it's resources, it's like trying to cross through kingdoms of North Korean peasants, they will lynch you because your an imperialistic Free-person.

>>65130626
There's no sea monsters in tolkiens works. The seas are controlled by Ulmo and have no corruptions

How do you people know all this shit? I read the books and I don't know 90% of this.

>>65130653
The deeps of middle earth are filled with otherworldly abominations.

>>65130694
>There's no sea monsters in tolkiens works
really, that's pretty lame desu

>>65130701
wookiepedia

They couldnt have sailed because they had no allies which could march a sailing fleet AND also push back attackers if they encountered someone on the sea (they would have) they also couldn't have snuck past and landed anywhere close to mordor other than gondor, where they would have been found. The eagles and ents didnt give two fucks, and any other way wouldve taken too long. Now fuck off.

>>65130131
>badass fucking creature next to sauron."
Winged Dragon > Balrog > Flightless Dragon

>>65130720
If it makes you feel better, there are Lovecraft abomination that dwell within the earth.

>>65130720
It is what it is m8

>>65130331
>>65130428
POTTERY

>>65129854
Why didn't the Eagles just get them over the mountains? They wouldn't be near the demon dragons and the hard part would have been taken care of

>>65130671
Sauron would've overrun M-E even without the Ring. The whole point is that it is a last ditch attempt at salvation, a Hail Mary pass. In the hands of a fucking hobbit.
Why do you think the Elves were leaving M-E? They knew shit was fucked.

complete pleb here

is tom bombadil basically a god?

>>65130694

Well what if this Elmo fellow picked up the ring?

>>65129805
Why are the eagles such dicks? What the fuck do they have to lose or gain from helping the Fellowship? Not a single fucking thing, that's what. If I travelled all that way and made it to Mordor half dead, I wouldn't want their help at all, not even to save me. Id tell them to fuck right off.

They're literally Americans.

>>65130771
>there are Lovecraft abomination that dwell within the earth.
really? such as?

>>65130694
what about the tentacle thing in the cave? Couldnt one of those be in the sea?

>>65130653
Pretty risky solution because the Ring came THIS close to Sauron several times

Why didn't Sauron just wear it as a cock ring? Tolkien' Catholic world had no homos so nobody would go for it

>>65130019
I can do it 2 months tops

>>65130816
ur mum

>>65130798
No. Eru is the God of the LOTR Universe.

>>65130689
There's a continent analogous to asia beyond the borders of that map, and it's all controlled by Sauron.

Before Denethor kills himself he tells Gandalf that the army that is currently pushing their shit in is "but a finger on the hand of a larger army" or something to that effect.

The only hope for middle earth was to destroy the ring and end it, any other course of action was certain victory for sauron, with or without him recovering his ring.

>>65129805
What's going on here

What I didn't understand, is that the guys is a wizard, why didn't he just TRANSPORT the ring using magic?

Why didn't frodo do long distance cardio training in that long period from when gandalf left to inquire about the rings

>>65130839
Only the Dunedain are monotheists, everyone else are pagan fucks.
>>65130805
It would probably be safe for all time. I've never really liked them not throwing it into the sea. If a Silmaril can go permanently missing in the ocean so can the ring which is by any account less magical.

>>65130866

because hes not harry potter

magic doesnt work that way

>>65130831
Pretty sure that thing as unique

>>65130816
Not him, but doesn't Gandalf mention something about things more horrible than orcs and goblins while trekking through Moria? I can be mistaken, but I distinctly remember him saying something about buried ancient horrors, and he didn't know about the Balrog yet. Can anyone confirm?

>>65130816
Only alluded to.
Glorfindel suggests chucking the Ring into the sea, but then the Council says there are probably Nameless Unknowanle horrors before Saurons time still dwelling in the deep. Ala Shelob, she's the spawn of such monsters outside Sauron's sphere of influence.

>>65130839
>implying elf bitches aren't on his spiked mace 24/7

>>65130863
>There's a continent analogous to asia beyond the borders of that map
where can I read more about this "asian" continent, I always thought middle earth felt really small. I can't believe everything south and east was barren such as in op's pic.

>>65130913

yeah

he also mentions them when in regards to the fight with the balrog, that he and the balrog actually realized they were better off staying close to each other and getting the fuck out of there because they felt ancient, forgotten creatures moving around them

some spooky shit lived down there

>>65130908
Magic works however the fuck you want it to work, because it isn't real.

>>65130866
Gandalf's magic is more subtle, like courage buffs in RPG's

>>65130331
the path isn't set up in the best way to penetrate the borders of mordor

>>65130913
the balrogs were like generals of armies in earlier wars and im pretty sure he was aware and referring to them.

>>65130604
Wrong. The Eagles were the descendants of anor, who was essentially the daughter of the middle earth god. They were incorruptable.

>>65130913
he was referring to the balrog, he did know about it, but hoped they could just sneak through moria.

>>65130904
>If a Silmaril can go permanently missing in the ocean
The silmarils were destined to end up in the sea, the earth, and the sky. Eärendil was given the silmaril, and became the planet venus (the sky), and Maglor and Maedhros threw theirs into a volcano (earth) and the sea (the sea). There they will stay until dagor dagorath.

Why didn't they drive?

>>65130863
It all comes down to time. The blue wizards fucked up in the east by the sounds of it.
>>65130913
I remember reading something like 1st Age monsters were sleeping up in the (North). So Bulrogs and the like.

>>65130994
Tolkien's magic works according to Tolkien.

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IMO they should've done this.

There had to have been some way to cross through the mountains behind Gondor, coming from Enedwaith. Every other mountain range had some way through, and Gondor wasn't even being threatened from the North.

Also, is there a mountain pass from behind Minas Tirith to the interior of Gondor? Because if so, I didn't account for it here.

>>65130994
And Tolkien decided it didn't work that way in his book.

>what's that Mr. Frodo?
>that my dear Sam is Peter Jackson presents The Lord Of The Rings: The Return Of The King now on Blu-Ray with extended scenes
>I'm coming Mr Frodo!

>>65131013
Nah, even worse.
>Far, far below the deepest delving of the Dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things. Even Sauron knows them not. They are older than he.

>>65130917
>>65130982
>yfw you will never encounter lovecraftian gods in the works of tolkien
;_;

>>65130019
Actually, why the fuck didn't they just take a boat?

>>65131021
What. Eru is god.

And Gandalf, a Maiar, a being equal in power to the Valar, is incredibly susceptible to corruption by the ring. And Eagles would be too. This is literally discussed in the book.

>tfw no Glorfindel

We will never truly know greatness.

>>65131104
>Far, far below the deepest delving of the Dwarves

then why would he be worried about them in Moria?

>>65131067
>going through dunland

Barbarians and shit m8.

>>65131123
Read the thread.
>corsairs

>>65131123

P I R A T E S

C O R S A I R S

>>65130980
The silmarillion. Not explained in a lot of detail, but the world was originally symmetrical. The blue mountains have their mirror opposite the red mountains on the other side of the continent.

>>65131123
And go where?

>>65131157
Because the Balrog was bored down there for all those years and found the tunnels of those nameless things. When he was fighting Gandalf he led him into those tunnels.

>>65130798
Yes

>>65130980
Rhûn reaches all the way to the sea, I think, there are some ore rich mountains with dwarves and somewhere over there is Cuivienen, where the elves awakened.
To the south you have Harad, which is a huge desert with tribes warring for water and with a massive bamboo jungle with Mumakil (oliphaunts).
There's Ice and stuff to the North, and some sources put other continents further east and southeast.

>>65130491
>someone might wish to destroy it

but Sauron didn't consider that.

>>65131067
Gandalf doesn't want to go through Gondor because he's afraid of what Boromir and friends might pull on their home turf.
>>65131045
It was coincidence and there being as removed from one another as possible only serves to illustrate further the theme of loss. As far as I know the prophecy only stated that they would be forfeit even Feanor were to recover them.

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>>65131179
>The blue mountains have their mirror opposite the red mountains on the other side of the continent.

>all these loser nerds
I'd beat the shit out of all of you. Stop being balding nerds and go hit the gym!

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>>65131162
Then get a fucking wizard that can do shit in the water and make sure you have a big enough fleet of ships.

>>65131181
Basically, this route>>65130554

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>>65131127
Trolled

I just made up anor

>>65129805
how did Gandalfs fight with the Balrog end up on top of a mountain after they fell down that massive hole?

>>65131268
Gondor and the Haradrim are in a full on war in that area though.

It wouldn't work, senpai.

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>>65131268

>big enough fleet

what? where would they get that? and if they did that they might as well tell sauron and the corsairs they're coming

going by water would literally be the dumbest possible route, they'd fare better trying to go north through angmar

>>65131219
>I think, there are some ore rich mountains with dwarves and somewhere over there is Cuivienen, where the elves awakened

Wasn't that to the West in Beleriand before it sank into the sea?

>>65131291
i was only pretending to be retarded.jpg

>>65131305
Stairs. 8 days worth of stairs.

>>65131220
But he should have.

I know it's a story and the story needs a resolve, but in reality this is what would have happened. Arrogance never wins over paranoia, especially if your entire existence was at risk. That shit would have been sealed, bubblewrapped, and boxed up.

fuck the eagles.

why not just give the ring to tom bombadil. wasn't he like god almighty?

>>65131305

the endless stair

>These stairs climbed from the lowest point in Middle-earth, to the very peak of the Zirakzigil. At the top of the Endless Stair, a windy chamber known as Durin's Tower was carved from the rock of the mountain, where the Dwarf kings would gaze out over the Misty Mountains. After abandoning Moria in the Third Age, the stair and chamber became legend among the Dwarves. The top of it was destroyed during the battle between Gandalf and the Balrog, on January 23-25 of 3019.

>>65131268
At the Council of Elrond, they decide Sauron will expect them to try going west. It would be the most heavily-watched path.

>>65131305
They fought their way up the Endless Stair over the course of several days.

>>65131346
Cuivienen was in the far east. That's why the elves had to make a really long overland journey to get to Beleriand, and then to Aman.

>>65131361
>in reality
Guess what? It's not.

>>65131058
The roads weren't maintained and there were no highways. The libertarian way.

>>65131305
They were beyond time. In a place with no windows, the place from which you don't come back...because you never went there. Yet you did.

>>65131346
No, they crossed the anduin on their journey to the west.

>>65131058
They missed their 5 minute window

>>65129906
The Great Eagles in LotR aren't animals, they're Maiar - the same species as Gandalf.

>>65131363
Because he literally gives no fucks and would have probably lost it picking flowers or some gay shit.

>>65131415
The "beyond time" thing was a reference to Eru pulling Gandalf out of the physical universe after his death. Gandalf's fight with the Balrog was before that.

>>65131104
>the world is gnawed by nameless things. Even Sauron knows them not. They are older than he.
2spooky4me

Call of Cthulhu supplement Lords of the Rings when

>>65131123
Flat earth. Nazis guarding the border

>>65131361
Except that the ring literally manipulated the will of the people who have it.

>>65129956
Is that human years or hobbit years?

>>65131398
>the lowest point in Middle-earth
How did they build it with the Nameless Things all around them?

>>65130798
More like a local demigod. His powers were limited to his forest.

>>65131346
No, the mountains surrounding the Sea of Rhûn, I also forgot, between Mordor and Harad is Khand with its variags, watever they are, sort of like evil Rohan. Rhûn is huge, 4/7 dwarven tribes live there, a bunch of evil humans and possibly dark elves. As in Avari and Moriquendi.

>>65131363
>wasn't he like god almighty

Not even one of the Valar.
And the Valar learned from past mistakes and didn't want to directly interfere in the things of Eldar and Edain.
That's why they sent Gandalf, Saruman and some other useless bums.

>>65131470
>Flat earth
Not at the time of LotR. Thanks Ar-Pharazon.

>>65130554
wow, gondor is wide open on this map. They could have easily just gone South and traveled thru Gondor along the mountains up to Minas Tirith, then crossed into Shelob's pass into Mordor. But I guess they were worried about the men of Gondor stealing the ring for themselves? Other than that I cant see any issue with the route

>>65131361
you need a middle earth history lesson, senpai.

Sauron is the creation of Morgoth. Morgoth is a Valar. The Valar are each an embodiment of Eru the creator's traits. Morgoth is arrogance. Sauron is the creation of the pure imbodiment of arrogance and malice.

>>65131363
This is dismissed away in the book in that Tom is basically a retard, and you can't trust the fate of your world to a retard. He's also just a character named after Tolkien's son's doll he put in the book for him.

>>65131398
8 fucking days of trying to get the high ground.

>>65131488
They probably reached the tunnels of the nameless things and said "fuck this, this is 2spooky" and stopped.

>>65130798
He's more powerful than Eru. He can end Middle-Earth if he wants...because he's you, the reader.

>>65131534
>you need a middle earth history lesson
No, you do. Sauron is a Maia who turned from Aule's service to Morgoth's. Morgoth didn't create him.

>>65131567
>he's you, the reader.
No.

>>65131567
He is to Eru what Jesus is to God.
That is, they are the same thing but separate.

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Why was there so much god damn homolust between Frodo and Sam?

>>65131539
kek

>>65131567
Did you read that off Buzzfeed?

>>65131571
Woah chill, nerd. Morgoth, a being of pure arrogance and spite, corrupted him. Is that better?

>its a comfy ass lotr thread episode

>>65131630
Based on the master/servant relationship. Doesn't translate well to the general emasculated audience that can't get the soft touch of cock off their mind.

>>65131667
>>65131571
>>65131619
He symbolizes the reader. Now fuck off

>>65130026

Middle earth is flat dummy, it's not a globe.

>>65131726
Literally how?

>>65131726

he symbolizes the nonsensical superstition in myth and folklore

>>65131442
>the same species as Gandalf.
so why didn't gandalf fly into mordor lol

>>65131726
No. He doesn't. He is literally just Chris Tolkien's doll that his dad put in the story for him.

This has been known for longer than you've been alive.

>>65131667
Sauron wasn't really corrupted either brotherman. Sauron was always a bit tricksy.

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>>65131726
He's just a goofy gardener.

>>65131749
It was made flat after Ar-Pharazôn.

>>65131749
By that time in the setting, Eru had made the world round to remove the Undying Lands from reach

>>65131749
how is there gravity? rivers? night and day?

>>65131802

it was made round after ar pharazon

>>65131749
Eru broke the earth and turned into a globe after the Numenoreans challenge the ban of the valar.

>>65131726
Tom is LITERALLY a character that was made to entertain Chris Tolkien, there's no deep meaning behind Tom at all.

>>65131807
magic

>>65131510
>4/7 dwarven tribes live there
why didn't they help in the war of the ring?

>>65131827
>>65131804
How does that make the continent unreachable?

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>>65131219
>>65131510

If there's all this shit going on in the rest of the world, why did Sauron spend so much time trying to colonize a tiny ass corner of the west?

>>65131824
That, sorry.

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Going through Angmar and Gundabad, sure nothing can go wrong. Now that we're here how about we go sightseeing in Utumno.

>>65130701
Reading Lord of the Rings multiple times. Reading the Silmarillion multiple times. And wikis.

>>65131807
LotR is a creation myth that's actually true.

It's fucking God you heathen faggot.

>>65131842
because dwarves are selfish assholes

>>65131842

because they dont give a fuck and might well all be dead for all we know

>>65130366
>>65130426
Sauron had no idea someone would sneak into mordor and destroy the ring. He sees everything and mordor is filled with orcs so there was no possibility of that happening as far as he's concerned.

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>>65131791
Well I'm like this more than anything. You people sound like you are from a specific college. But I can't a test to it. o_o

>>65131870
They were the last people in Middle-earth resisting him. Plus that's where the last Numenoreans and the last high elves were, and those were the two groups he hated the most.

>>65131842
Dwarves are basically australians. They're all cunts.

>>65131870
Because he already has the other part and wants more, the east feeds and fields his armies. And pride, Gondor and the Elves have forever defied him and defeated him on several occasions.

>>65131870
he's already reigning on the rest of the world.

>>65130746

Maybe the original winged dragons were top, but Smaug was babby tier. Meanwhile, the Balrog was one of only 7 of the High Dark Lord Melkor's personal vanguard.

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>>65131863
The world is round now, but the Undying Lands are still occupying the same space they were.

When someone sails there, and I think only Cirdan knows how, it looks like they're flying over the horizon.

It's fucking magic, dude.

>>65131914
Just trying to make sure I'm not paranoid.

>>65131807
Because the gods that aided creation lived there.

Also, there was no night or day originally, there were two lamps. One in the north, one in the south. Melkor smashed them ending the age of the lamps, which then prompted Yavanna to create the two trees. Each tree had its own cycle, blooming, and then wilting, and then blooming again. As one dimmed the other was brightening, so there was no night and day as we know it.

After Ungoliant ate the trees, and Feanor refused to let them use the light from his silmarils, they made the sun and the moon.

>>65131749
I thought it started flat then became a globe? Or was that after LOTR?

>>65130680
"an unexpected journey"
T R I G G E R E D

>>65131966
Wow that's stupid.

>>65129906
Eagles are assholes. They don't give a shit about the world except for their job to watch for the final battle. Gandalf can only call for their aid and have them come to help him because their boss owes him a couple of favours.

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>old toby, the finest weed in the South Valley
>Saruman: "your love of the Halfling's leaf has clearly slowed your mind"
What in the world did Tolkien mean by this?

>>65131914
Oh well back to life. Sorry I bothered you.

>>65131863
Because the undying lands exist in the same place they always have, but the earth became three dimensional.

It exist at a tangent to middle earth. The only way to get there is to sail by the straight path.

>>65131966
daily reminder that the elves travel in literal spaceships of mithril and shit to the moon (aka undying lands)

>>65131993
Nah, it became a globe a few thousand years before LotR.

>>65132015
>implying those lines were written by Tolkien

>>65132007
Just like all the creation myths it's based off of.

*tips fedora in your direction*

>>65131567
feel free to kill yourself at any time

>>65130777
This is a good question tbqh

>>65129805
doesn't that pass through gundabad as well as being longer?

>>65132039
It's not really the moon.

It both occupies and doesn't occupy space on Middle Earth.

Basically we can't really comprehend it and we aren't supposed to because it's where fucking gods live.

>>65132015
It's south FARTHING. The shire was divided into 4 quarters. Named after the cardinal directions. Hobbiton was smack dab in the middle. In the 4th age Aragorn gave them the far downs to colonized, and a 5th farthing was created.

>>65130904
The Silmaril isn't essentially an object with a will of its own, nor is it actively sending out what amount to psychic beams to Sauron in order to be found.

Sauron also isn't looking for a Silmaril but he is looking for the Ring. And, without its destruction, he's gonna live forever. The second he hears a rumour about the direction the Ring was dumped or lost, he'll be trawling that ocean for it with sea-beasts he bred for just that purpose. Time is on Sauron's side. On a long enough time scale, he'll get it.

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>>65131503
Worth noting that Tom's powers are limited to the borders of his land.

And he's the one who decides where those borders are.

But the very thing that makes him what he is also makes him unsuitable for aid beyond his land.

>>65132039
Nigger, the moon's a fruit floating in the sky.

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Fucking idiots.

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Every thread there is some people who get spoonfed the entirety of Middle-Earths lore. And the same thing happens on the next thread.

>>65132015
Why didn't the Hippie movement have any sway on Sauron? Didn't he care for John Lennon's "Imagine"?

>>65132138
>daily reminder that the moon has phases because the ainur that drives the chariot that pulls the moon is awful at his job

>>65132077
They would be corrupted by the ring.

The rings power is relative to your standing. To a Maiar like Gandalf or Sauron it gives UNLIMITTEED POOOWWWAAAHHHH, which is why Gandalf could hardly look at the fucking thing.

For a Hobbit, the literal whos of Middle Earth, all it did was make you invisible. It didn't really draw them in much, because Hobbits don't want much. But even by the end of the journey Frodo was turning into Sheev.

Eagles are very powerful and ancient beings. We don't know what the ring would do for them, but we know its power would be irresistible.

Read the book, nigga.

>>65132162
your right we should do the only responsible thing
and give it to lord chin chin

>>65130019
GENIUS! Sauron would never see it coming!

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is there anyone on this "middle" earth that is not a complete asshole?

>dwarves don't give a shit besides mining ore n stuffz
>elves don't give a shit, they are emos whose only concern is looking pretty and not dying
>humans are selfish assholes that would do anything to get the lead even if in the end that would destroy them
>hobbits, literally dgaf about anything besides being comfy.
>eagles are too egotistical to lend a hand, or rather I should say a claw. they only come to help to steal the victory when the job is already done, they are the usa in ww1 of the middle earth

>>65132119
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzmrljnWPXg
Sounds like South "Valley". This is direct from the movie and 100% canon, so don't know where you're pulling that fictitious shit from. "South Farting" LMAO

>>65132224
>elves don't give a shit, they are emos whose only concern is looking pretty and not dying
The elves we see have every right to be maudlin. Elrond was cursed from birth to never be complete or find happiness, and galadriel has literally seen it all.

>>65132224
Elbereth is pretty based.
Well in Nethack at least.

>>65132224
Those of Numenorian descent

>>65132224
Orcs are nice, just misunderstood

>>65130134
the trip took months.

frodo got the ring on his 33rd birthday and was around 50 when he left the shire for, originally, the rivendell.

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>>65131701
There's indeed alot of great information in here, like other beings like Balrog, etc...

>Gif related, the ghosts only sucked when they helped Gondor

>>65132313
except for all the black numenorians

>>65132313
But Sauron's mouth was a black Numenorean.

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>>65132325
Truly an honorable and industrious race

>>65132325
I think this too.

>>65132224
That's only one of the fundamental themes; that people are generally self-serving but that each group has the potential for selfless heroism, selflessness that's embodied in The Fellowship which has at least one of each race.

>>65132224
It's not that hobbits don't give a fuck, they're just ignorant of anything beyond Bree.

>>65130304
that map is only like the map of europe, as in, it skips a fuckton of land and only focuses on the most interesting region.

plus tolkien didn't like this map.

>>65132224
>dwarves don't give a shit besides mining ore n stuffz
yup
>elves don't give a shit, they are emos whose only concern is looking pretty and not dying
Not true. Did you even watch the movies? Elves are a shadow of their former glory. Most are dead from wars, and the majority of the few left alive have already moved to the Undying Lands. All the Elves left in Middle Earth are just trying to help secure a place for Men before they leave themselves.
>humans are selfish assholes that would do anything to get the lead even if in the end that would destroy them
again nigga watch the movie
>hobbits, literally dgaf about anything besides being comfy.
which is why they are the only race that could carry the ring and also bring themselves to destroy it at the right time
>eagles are too egotistical to lend a hand, or rather I should say a claw. they only come to help to steal the victory when the job is already done, they are the usa in ww1 of the middle earth
basically. USA! USA! USA!

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>>65132378

what a racist tolkien was

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>>65131219
Here's the map from the Middle Earth RPG of the 80's.

>>65132224
Dunedain are pretty nice, giving their lives to protect the people of the north. Elves used to be based as fuck, but they are going extinct in Middle Earth. Dwarves are dicks.

>>65132414
Well at least he was a mighty Sorceror.

>>65130366
fair point, but that's like me telling you to put your penis in a chastity belt as someone can come and chop it off. it's not something you assume will happen.

>>65132375
>>65132378
Yeah I didn't think that through. Also all the stuff about invading undying lands. All the races are confirmed assholes, except maybe the forestfolk (druadan?)on gondorian border. Been years since i read the books.

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>>65132436
>Elves used to be based as fuck

Silmarillion is mostly just about Elves being dumbasses.

>>65132375
>>65132378
>black numenorians
who are these guys?

>>65132415
what's the name of this game, I really wanna play it.

>>65132403
is there any map tolkien endorsed?

>>65130466
just like the aral sea, or the caspian sea.

>>65131225
>Gandalf doesn't want to go through Gondor because he's afraid of what Boromir and friends might pull on their home turf.
couldn't they have at least tried to sneak it through? Does everyone passing through Gondor get strip searched at the border? Even if they're with Gandalf?

>>65130982
>he also mentions them when in regards to the fight with the balrog, that he and the balrog actually realized they were better off staying close to each other and getting the fuck out of there because they felt ancient, forgotten creatures moving around them

He never states anything of the sort. He says something like "there are things in the depths of the earth of which even Sauron knows not. I will not speak of them further." That's all he says. The balrog was fleeing Gandalf, they weren't fleeing those other things.

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>>65132415
Far-east looks comfy desu.

>>65132497
Seriously. "Silmarillion" is quenyan for "Feanor ruins everything, for everyone, forever."

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>>65132497
But bad ass in their dumbassery. Never shall heroes like Fingolfin, Earendil, Finrod and even Maedhros be forgotten.

>>65130517
actually tolkien's son drew that and iirc tolkien himself didn't like it that much.

i never really liked the square mountain range either.

>>65129805
>double the distance when they're already desperately short on time
>go right through gundaband, an orc fortress

>>65132511

descendants of the people who believed sauron during his stay as a prisoner and then advisor to the king in numenor

>>65132198
Ok but Eagles have talons, not fingers. They would not have been able to use the ring.

>>65132570
>what are flak AA guns?

>>65131361
The Ring is not only an incredibly powerful object, which many cultures wanted to seize and use as a weapon (and assumed they could), it's also got a will of its own and warps the mind of anyone wearing it or close enough to be affected by it.

In hindsight we can go over 'but he should have's all day, but, really, Sauron made an object that literally no one would be able to just destroy - either because of their desire for its use or because it made them unable to give it up.

And he's proven right. No one can destroy it by their own force of will. Either a mistake of sheer circumstance, or destiny being guided by Eru, was required to get rid of the thing.

>>65132511
Numenoreans that swore allegiance to sauron and dwelt in mordor after the island was sunk.

They were "black" as in cursed, not color. Likewise "Black" elves were elves that were born in the darkness, and had never seen the light of the trees.

>>65132577
>Fingolfin

That was one tough motherfucking Eldar.
Or I might remember wrong but he dealt Morgoth's wounds, right?

I don't know if this is from the LotR universe or not, but I think I remember there being a giant palantir in the forest somewhere. Anyone know what I'm thinking of?

>>65132511
Survivors from Numenor who believe in Morgoth as a god.

>>65132622

>what are flak AA nazguls?

Why does the inscription of the ring look different than normal tengwar?

>>65132616
P L O T H O L E

EXPLAIN THIS NERDS

>>65131194

Where does it say that?

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>>65132654
thax lads,

>>65131361

Mt. Doom was incredibly well-guarded, though. Sauron basically used the area as a staging ground for his army, anyone wanting to get to the mountain would have to go through literally tens of thousands of Orcs. Not to mention that Sauron himself was constantly looking over the area.

>>65131807
People didn't know about that stuff when the books were written

>>65132644
Yes, Morgoth limped for eternity.

>>65132601
Ah but the closer they are to danger, the farther they are from harm

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>>65132658
>the movies clearly show the eagles BTFO the nazguls
nice try

>>65132672

it doesnt say he was bored but it does say that after his fire was extinguished by the water they landed in, he tried to escape gandalf by leading him through all those ancient ass tunnels that were made by those creatures

>>65130720
i'm not sure about this. although ulmo's realm isn't corrupted like the middle earth, he himself is a very weird guy so it's likely that there's some bizarre shit in the sea that isn't necessarily evil but still powerful and more importantly corruptible.

the seas aren't explained in detail, so we're free to assume. (at least as far as i know)

>>65132660

dont need to put the ring on to feel the corruption of the ring familia.

anyone in close radius to the ring will feel the corruption kinda like harry potters horcruxes.

>>65132724
After sauron is dead, and every member of his army is collectively shitting their pants.

>>65131777
He didn't have fairy dust or any happy thoughts

yo what happenend to all the orcs after mordor collapsed?

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>>65131459

Best scene desu

>>65132551
>no responses

so they should've just gone south and passed through Gondor, it's settled then.

>>65132616
Boromir never put on the ring but was still corrupted just be being in its presence

>>65132799
Hunted down and slaughtered probably, might have fled to Gundabad, Rhûn, Harad or Moria before the dwarves returned.

>>65132563
read books breh

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If Gandalf was so powerful, why couldn't he teleport like Goku?

>>65132160
Still have to pass 10,000 Orcs.

>Eru tripped up Gollum so that he would fall into the volcano

LITERALLY deus ex

>>65129805
Why didn't they just sail around Gondor

>>65132659
Anyone? I'm using this page and I can't get the actual text from the inscription to show up like it does on the ring..
http://www.arno.org/tengwar/

retrospectively speaking the path they took was the best path because without it they wouldn't have interfered with saruman in time to stop him and without rohan to help gondor mankind would have lost.

>>65131985
>Melkor smashed them ending the age of the lamps
Jesus christ

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>>65131534
>This is dismissed away in the book in that Tom is basically a retard, and you can't trust the fate of your world to a retard. He's also just a character named after Tolkien's son's doll he put in the book for him.


Yeah?

>>65132873
corsairs

>>65132848
Boromir would have been able to use to the ring though. What would the eagle have done with it?

I'm convinced these are just made by one Tolkien buff who knows that these posts always spawn a pretty good (for /tv/) Tolkien lore thread.

>>65132833
Remember when the rangers of ithilien caught frodo, sam, and gollum. Hobbits in elvish capes that double the +5 to sneak they get as a racial bonus.

Not to mention by the time they would have wound up in Gondor, the armies of mordor would have been setting up camp. And try sneaking through THOSE enemy lines.

>>65132814
It's great.

>>65132871
That scene on the book is stupid.

>>65132160

They hadn't even decided what to do with the ring until they got to Rivendell, though. And they needed to gather the council in a safe place that wasn't too far away from the elves or dwarves.

>>65132672
>In that despair [the tunnels of the nameless things] my enemy was my only hope, and I pursued him, clutching at his heel. Thus he brought me back to at last to the secret ways of Khazad-dum: too well he knew them all. Ever up now we went, until we came to he Endless Stair.

>>65132511
Middle Earth Roleplaying. It had dozens of supplements adding stuff all over the place.

http://www.merp.com/

>>65131123
Literal sandnigger pirate navy

>>65131807

Gravity isn't dependent on shape dummy

why did the elves and humans partner up against sauron in the 2nd age to save middle earth with a massive asf army but bitched it in the 3rd age and left the humans to dispose of the ring themselves?

did the elves know if sauron got the ring he was gonna fuck their heaven island up after he conquered middle earth?

why didn't the elves and humans partner up and make another gigantic army and just steamroll into mordor?

sauron wasn't even in physical form so it would've been easier than the 2nd age battle at mordor.

>>65132693
He didn't even put guards at the doorway of the volcano

>>65132511
as far as i know no, tolkien didn't select a canon map.

>>65132992

Because Sauron thought that Aragorn had the ring, so he threw literally everything he had at him.

>>65130249
suck a cock manlette

so if sauron controlled everything to the east and south of middle earth, what happened to all the armies that were on their way to aid sauron?

why was middle earth called "middle"?

what exactly does the ring do? like sauron was just able to control some niggas with it but that was about it...

>>65132984
Less elves, weaker human nations, not as friendly with each other as before. If Sauron had won the Valar would probably invade, rek him and destroy Middle-Earth on the process.

>>65132984
There weren't enough elves left in middle earth to fight Sauron. Most had left for the West by then. Plus the elves didn't really care about Middle Earth by that point.

>>65133036
Apparently, Sauron can't into reserves.

>>65132871
Wrong.
>He swears that he will faithfully serve frodo
>he swears on the ring
>Frodo warns him that the ring will hold him to his oath, and twist it to hurt him.
>He insists.
>breaks oath
>falls into lava because of it
He was hoisted by his own petard, if anything.

>>65133036
So that means he couldn't leave two guys behind in case it was a trap

>>65132138
The sun is a fruit, if I remember correctly. And the moon is a flower.

>>65132856
Don't talk shit out of your ass. They made peace with Aragorn and lived in Mordor.

>>65133101
Several centuries later they bitched about how they didn't get enough welfare or white wimminz

>>65132984
All the Elves were faggots at this point (like, more so than usual) and their numbers were waning.

>>65133101
There is no peace with orcs, orcs are vile, cruel, cowardly and treacherous by nature, it's how they were made.

which was the best LOTR movie?

>>65132984
>why did the elves and humans partner up against sauron in the 2nd age to save middle earth with a massive asf army but bitched it in the 3rd age and left the humans to dispose of the ring themselves?

The elves sent a representative to the Council of Elrond, just like the dwarves and humans.

>why didn't the elves and humans partner up and make another gigantic army and just steamroll into mordor?

By the time they fully realized what was going on and that Sauron had returned, it was way too late for that. He attacked them first, there was no time to organize and even if they wanted to, they just didn't have the manpower, especially with Rohan on the brink of collapse and the humans west of the Misty Mountains in complete disarray.

>>65132980
assuming a discworld is structurally strong enough to withstand the pull from the gravitational center without becoming a sphere, it would still radically change gravity for the inhabitants of that planet depending on where on the planet they were.

i think. can /sci/ confirm?

>>65133135
And like, not in a racist way. That's literally how they were made.

>>65133135
in the movies they are shown to be pretty nice guys when compared to other races desu...

>>65133135
they used to be elves

WE WUZ KINGS N SHIT

>>65132984
Gil Galad was the last king of the noldor. Those that didn't die in the war finally went to the west until just a handful were left. Elrond, who was born on middle earth, but related to every important person by birth or marriage, and Galadriel, who isn't sure if she would even be allowed back. They have the elven rings of power, but they use them to maintain their regions.

And Based Cirdan never got involved in Silmaril fuckery.

>>65133088

Arrogance and fear will do that for you. Sauron looked at Gondor's miraculous victory at Minas Tirith and Rohan's miraculous victory at Helm's Deep, realized that Aragorn was directly involved in both, and from there the only reasonable conclusion (in his mind) was that Aragorn had the ring. So as far as he knew, there was no way it would be a trap, because nobody who had the ring for an extended period of time would ever dream of destroying it.

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>>65132224
>eagles place as Middle Earth police is cemented after their last minute intervention in War of the Ring
>asked to intervene in future conflicts because of their effectiveness
>they oblige
>continue to do so
>everyone suddenly gets mad that they don't just stay out of it
>suddenly orc refugees spilling out of Mordor and into Minas Tirith
>whole middle earth mad at eagles for "causing this mess to begin with"

where are the silmarils during Lord of the Rings?