88 years and a handful of black people have won an Oscar . Let's discuss this racism /tv/.
Is that true though? Two years in a row with no black peoples or POC nominated? Plus in order to be a winner in acting you have to be nominated. With running you just perform. There's no middle-man so your comparison doesn't correlate. It's racism. 90% of all the academy is white.
If you take the last 88 years it is true that black people were actually underrepresented.
But in the last 20 years 12,5% of the nominees were black. That is pretty reasonable considering a black populationof 12,8% in the US
White artists are recognized on BET all the time lol. But BET is irrelevant in this conversation. White peolle don't need to create their own networks to get recognition or celebrate their culture. Their culture is literally everywhere
There's like, four good black actors in film ATM, the rest are half breeds.
It goes like this:
>First world nations have the best acting schools
>beautiful white women marry up because they're prized by modern culture thus not only are these people better looking they're richer
>Black people have none of these structures and just happen to find other things to do in life, stereotypes form and it's rare for anyone too break the mold.
Face it nigger, black is just like having an ugly face, it's a negative trait in society, but there are plenty of other reasons you fail, and it only holds you back so much, so it's probably lack of connections, which is a fault of society and classism, but if it wasn't niggers it would be some other trait, height, size, eyes, etc.
Class forms wherever there are differences, it's only a negative if it's inefficient for the whole society.
Basically it's just bad luck they're neither rich nor white/Jewish really. Luck of the draw, others don't get to be pretty, have good parents, great intellect, etc.
Stop whining faggot and do your best, it's ALL on you, the duly superior genes will average out on top if they're truly superior after many a generation. Unless ofc whining advances your career... Oh wait that's happening.
Except they are included. Blacks are like 12% of the population, they won't be nominated or win at the same rate as whites. One year with no awards doesn't prove anything except that there were no decent roles that year the a black actor portrayed.
not that guy but you can admit that this years oscars are especially weak with certain movies being snubbed for weaker ones
What about Sicario and based Taco? nothing for hin either
This is my problem - it should be weird that there are no non-white actors nominated, AND IT IS, but the answer can't be nominate non-white actors regardless, because how would that even work? No one would want to be a quota nom, I mean fuck... we shouldn't be talking about AWARDS, this should be a reason to talk about the lack of diversity in Hollywood movies.
Blame the studio and producers for not following the rules to be nominated.
Its called the BET awards and no white guy has ever won an award there.
I know rants usually get dismissed here but I gotta say as a Hispanic (inb4 spic, don't really care if you feel the need to say it) but I don't understand what the bitching is all about. "It needs to be more 'diverse'." No you're saying it needs to be all black. No I can ramble about how feminism is wrong, but at least they even include gays, lesbians, and people of color in their non sense of equality. I don't understand why they can't say it needs to be more black. I see so much out cry by this race but when they demand for equality for all they never mention asians, hispanics, indians, etc. One day, and maybe I'm wrong but hispanics, asians or whatever race will have their movement or Al Sharpton, and I gaurentee black people then will look at us like 'hey what about us?' Fuck you guys. You guys never consider anyone but your own in this "needing diversity". All other races, even white get shit thrown at them, but its frustating that one section of the human race needs to nag until you hand them out free shit.
Reminds me of how Yaya Toure said it was racist that no African's were nominated for the the Ballon d'Or a few years ago.
It's an award based on performance, how can they demand to be nominated if no one deserved it?
>90% of the Academy is white
No they aren't. More than half of the Academy is Jewish.
Hence holocaust dramas and documentaries being so well received, even when directed by child raping fugitives.
Also People Of Color have dominated the directing category the last 3 years running, and are in the lead position to make it 4 years running.
I think it's racist because white people who are nominating actors are underlooking POC who deserve to be nominated. Idris Elba's performance in Beasts of no nation was just as captivating as Tom Hardy's in The Revenant.
For what?!? Fucking Avengers? He was in three movies total in 2015, wasn't the lead in any of them, and wasn't even the main supporting actor.
>straight out of compton
are you serious?
They did follow the rules. Very clearly.
1. Doesn't matter, because Hollywood hates Netflix.
2. Jason Mitchell doesn't remotely deserve a nomination, and people are just pathetically and desperately grasping at straws by this point. Both Oscar Isaac and Del Toro, Men of Color, would have been much more valid choices. But for some reason, the race b8ers really want to make this about black people for some reason, and not just minorities or POC.
I thought this was a competition for best actors/film makers? Why are people obsessed with race?
We all know thats what racists like you want to turn it into because you hate black people the most. HIspanic and Asian actors would totally "count", it's merely the black community that has been the most vocal. I guess maybe because like they were raised by those who just two generations ago had to be very vocal so they could do awesome shit like ride the bus and drink water and vote.
You and me both fucking know that it isn't discrimination. It's because niggers underperform in absolutely everything. The ironic part of this, even now when everyone wants to give niggers the spotlight in fear of being called a racist, niggers STILL can't beat whitey.
Taco man and Oscaar Isaac and lations in general are too white.
This is why despite the fact that Iñárritu and his movie are going to win the oscars again, people are still going to bitch about divesity.
Stupid. You can make the same false argument about Hardy playing a typical inbred cracker. Both both performances were spectacular and you're a racist so you can't give Idris credit.
Then you're a fucking retard, because your people are from central europe and literally are white
You are right that we spics hate niggers the most. Everyone does.
And when we become the majority in your country, you niggers are going to get fucked. We aren't as tolerant of your bullshit and whining as white people are.
>two generations ago had to be very vocal so they could do awesome shit like ride the bus and drink water
In a few states, sure. But how exactly does that correlate? Asians were treated just as bad. The Chinese were used as dynamite ffs.
No. It's literally only about black people.
Apparently Hispanics no longer count as POC either.
They also completely disregard that the Academy is largely Jewish, not "white", and themselves a persecuted minority.
>Give BLACK people an Oscar
As always, any other minority, usually Asian or Native American, is treated like garbage by the elites and especially African Americans. You just have to look at the systemic racism in African American culture and institutions targeting Asians. It's disgusting and they believe they get a free pass because they were mistreated by whites many decades ago.
black people have won more than latino people have. I guess we should complain more hahaha
Yeah, no. You can say "nigger" as much as you want, you can stereotype "liberals" as much as you want - it's a discussion about diversity, it's inclusive. You're just homing in on black people, maybe because they're the most visible in the discussion, maybe because you're mostly racist towards them, maybe a combo.
AND HOW MANY NORWEGIANS HAVE WON, EH?!
You fat, fuckin', gun loving, racist, burgerfaced, redneck americans! GIEF US OSCARS!
>No. It's literally only about black people.
>Apparently Hispanics no longer count as POC either.
No Hispanic actors were nominated. One hispanic director was. The acting noms are the focus/most visible.
>They also completely disregard that the Academy is largely Jewish, not "white"
Jews are white unless you're /stormfront/.
It is not inclusive.
We know diversity = niggers.
Again, Alejandro Iñárritu (a spic) will win again this year.
You niggers are just butthurt over the fact that you pretty much fail at making anything worthwhile.
God you fags are in such denial. You share common but distant ancestry with other Jews. Genetically you're closer to Europeans. probably Slavs or Germans.
Your race is a social construct senpai
The Jew that dumbfuck was arguing with here, Americans are completely clueless about our history and try to educate us on it all the time in the US. It's pretty fucking annoying that they can't even grasp that there's more to race than Blacks, Whites, and Asians.
you missed the point. Actors aren't nominated based on a country's racial makeup. They're nominated based on performances. The point is there are many performances by POC that weren't nominated by the academy
>Jews are white unless you're /stormfront/.
they're white when it's convenient for them and are a minority when it's convenient, it's genius really
>You only like Idris because he acts like a white guy, not because he is a great actor.
>The point is there are many performances by POC that weren't nominated by the academy
>MUH EQUALITY OF OUTCOME
name one black performance that was better than the ones that were nominated
>Jews are white
Tell that to the 6 million retard.
I don't see anyone else complaining.
>This got nominated, but this didn't, there was a nomination here, not there
Shift the goal posts much?
>make a great film
>get snubbed because of Netflix politics
>implying blacks are the only ones who get snubbed
Hapa uprising when?
>Le Osbar Boycott
He warned yall negros.
There were more performances by white people than black people that weren't nominated by the Academy.
There were more performances by Indians than everyone else combined that weren't nominated by the Academy.
We need to fix this by only nominating whites and indians for the next 15 years or so.
Fucking Beasts, man; they deliberately stuck that in theatres before letting Netflix have full hog just so it could qualify for Oscars. Damn shame he didn't get nominated, but I don't know who I would bump from Best Actor to give him a slot.
"they did follow the rules"
no they didnt
you have to have a movie in cinema for atleast 3 months exclusively
netflix had beasts of no nation on netflix and cinema at the same time
netflix broke the rules and therefore it literally couldn't be nominated for either an oscar or a golden globe
Why do you faggots keep saying "black" when I'm saying people of color? I said it numerous times in this thread. Idris Elba, Benjamin Attah, and the guy who played Easy-E in straight outta Compton.
>In the last two years 0% have been represented. You see how looking at it partially instead of completely is misleading?
You see how you're taking an even more partial view (2 years vs. 20) to justify your viewpoint? Sometimes there are apparent lulls or gaps that, when you actually take into account the long view, are entirely explainable.
I never said that.
People here have an erection over Idris Ebola because he acts like a white guy.
If he acted like you stereotypical nigger nobody would like him (not even other niggers here on /tv/ trying really hard to fit in).
Also why is it always Americans trying to tell people about their own culture/race/whatever. No wonder niggers and Europeans hate you so much, you're so fucking ignorant and stupid it's beyond belief.
Black people are ugly, people want pretty faces when watching movies. That correlates to how marketing plays out and thus, the money studios make. The lack of black people is directly related to reality where if you were to choose between a black girl or white girl as a man or viceversa, you would most likely choose the white one.
Which wasn't eligible. Netflix fucked up and released it in theaters the same day it was released online. The Oscars said fuck that and said it couldn't be nominated for anything.
. BLIND GOSSIP 01/19 **#3**
We received some very interesting commentary from a well-known actor in Hollywood about a recent race controversy. "My jaw just about dropped to the floor when I heard [Actress]’s comments. [Her Actor Husband]’s performance wasn’t that good, and then I thought that maybe she was doing the jealousy thing, because lord knows she’s never won any major award for anything, and the only awards she does get are for being black. Then I got mad about the hypocrisy. This is what I really want you to tell your readers about. You know how she and [her husband] have a production company? Well, they have his and hers projects, and here’s a dirty little secret: "Her" projects are always for/by/about/starring/directed by black women. But for "his" projects (which are MUCH bigger), his directors are:
"WHITE GUY" (Glenn Ficarra and John Requa "Focus")
"WHITE GUY" (Peter Berg "Hancock")
"WHITE GUY" (Francis Lawrence, "I Am Legend")
"WHITE GUY" (Gabriele Muccino "The Pursuit of Happyness")
"WHITE GUY" (Andy Tennant "Hitch")
"WHITE GUY" (Alex Proyas "I, Robot")
"WHITE GUY" (Barry Sonnenfeld "Men In Black", "Men In Black II", "Men In Black 3" )
"WHITE GUY" (Roland Emmerich "Independence Day")
"WHITE GUY" (Michael Bay "Bad Boys", "Bad Boys 2")
"Minority Guy (not black)" (M. Night Shyamalan "After Earth")
Seriously. Not one black director. Not one female director. That’s their dirty little secret. She wants to go off about how racist the industry is and about how they don’t value black people, but she doesn’t want you to know that when it comes to who they trust with their big movies, it’s not other black people! There you go. Rather than guess who our source is, we’ll let you guess who she is talking about."
Actor: Will Smith
Wife: Jada Smith
Movie: Peter Landesman "Concussion"
Controversy actor: Denzel Washington
>Why do you faggots keep saying "black" when I'm saying people of color?
Because that exactly what you mean by POC you fucking dishonest nigger.
Now fuck off back to neogaf or reddit.
>it don't matter that we're over-represented in acting to the detriment of other minorities, talent don't matter, gibs me dat Oscar y'all rayciss crackas
You are completely incorrect. It can be released simultaneously or earlier with the Los Angeles cinema screenings. Just not after.
The film was literally ruled eligible by the Oscars and open to voting for nominations.
No one voted for it because the industry does not like Netflix.
You might not have noticed this, but this board doesn't have flags. You sound like a fucking retard ranting about Americans in every post when you have no idea who you're talking to
>Jews are not a race
>But "Black" and "Asian" are
Jesus christ, stay in America and keep your retarded understanding of nationality and ethnicity with you.
You're still living in the 1800's.
> literally retards
one is an award show based on people of a certain race and one is based on film as a whole. How is this distinction even need to be made? Do you guys get upset when the Latin grammys snub Radiohead? Or when the Country Music Awards snub Buckethead?
Why are people so fucking stupid?
Are you just a retard or pretending to be retarded?
BONN was snubbed because of netflix you stupid cunt, has nothing to do with race.
No other noteworthy black performances in 2015.
Nobody gives a shit about soul plane 5 or barbershop 4.
>African-americans have a lot of oscarbait story to tell.
Agree so much, that's the thing. DOPE is not oscarbait. Black cinema needs to start doing more sundance type movies and adaptations of great novels and biopics about disabled people and shit.
>one is an award show based on people of a certain race and one is based on film as a whole
Like I said, one is racist by definition, one isn't
>Do you guys get upset when the Latin grammys snub Radiohead?
If Radiohead made a latin music album and it was good, then yes, I would. The only requirement for a Latin Grammy is the song/album is recorded in Spanish or Portuguese.
>Or when the Country Music Awards snub Buckethead?
If Buckethead made a country music album and it was good, then yes I would.
You people are so worked up about underrepresentation. Take a look at over-representation instead, especially considering demographics. How many jews, for example, compared to their demographic percentage?
>Beauty is subjective you moron.
No it's not you stupid fuck.
Except white liberals don't go to the movies enough to support those sort of films, and blacks fucking hate good movies.
That's why the blacks who aren't worthless whiny sacks of shit put their efforts towards making stuff like Barbeshop or Madea films.
Oscars don't imply acting ability/quality/being the best as it's a self-masturbatory show. HOWEVER, what did they expect? Are they really claiming that they're so mediocre that they need a reserved "oscar" for blacks?
Hey, Selma was great. And it got Best Picture nominated and won Best Song, but because they didn't specifically say, "This black guy was the best actor," people threw a fit.
and they were right, Oyelowo deserves a nom at least
Jews are white. No normal person would think of Scarlett Johansson or Natalie Portman as a Jew first and a white person second. Only a racist nutjob would. Or some asshat thinking he's making some kind of point in a thread like this.
We have good directors now. Changing the melanin won't make them better or worse; it will just mean that /tv/ sits around jerking off to Black James Cameron instead of White James Cameron, while Black Michael Bay keeps making shit movies that rake in boatloads of cash.
>No normal person would think of Scarlett Johansson or Natalie Portman as a Jew first and a white person second. Only a racist nutjob would.
So you're calling Hollywood racist nutjobs? Good, we're on the same page.
Actually thought-provoking films with magnificent performances. But nah we need more white directors and actors. We need more Angelina Jolie, Adam Sandler, capeshit, Air Bud movies, Home Alone, etc.
>minorities are white when it helps my argument
you people seem to misunderstand what it is that makes you sound so incredibly stupid. The BET awards are awards for black people, that much is true (and make no mistake, there are plenty of awards specifically geared towards minorities but I digress) and the Oscars are film awards. One is specifically celebrating African American culture while the other is about a specific medium.
Do I have to repeat this? Are people so dense to believe that BET is at all comparable to the Oscars, considering the goals for both ceremonies?
Unless you believe the Academy actually bases their choices on merit and not petty judgements and nepotism, in which case there is no helping you
Also consider why the golden globes don't seem to have the same reputation that the Academy does.
>We have good directors now. Changing the melanin won't make them better or worse
Correct, it would just mean that there'd be fewer talented directors disadvantaged based on their appearance, which doesn't factor into their work...
>all about black people
no one mention Asians/Hispanics/native Indians/Middle eastern actors.
white/black people are raciest...
That's says a lot about the racism of the normal person, doesn't it?
Races aren't only about skin color, but in a society so used to be racist you need the fastest discriminatory element.
So you can start the prejudice as soon as you see them.
>minorities are white when it helps my argument
you don't even want to know how deep that rabbit hole goes.
Latinos and Asians are white worshippers. The Civil Rights movement was created by blacks. We fought for equal treatment for everyone and Asians and Latinos are quick to backstab us
Blacks are humans. No normal person would think of Idris Elba of that guy from Creed as a black first and a human second. Only a racist nutjob would. Or some asshat thinking he's making some kind of point whining in twitter.
That's not what >>65128699 said. They said blacks would be 'in charge', implying that they are occupying the same position that whites do now. Unless you think that black people would never do something like put someone at a disadvantage because of the colour of their skin.
You seem to have misunderstood me. I was saying that we'd get the exact same movie products being made, except that there would be more black people behind the camera.
These people are so fucking stupid. They're creating a 'boy who cried wolf' scenario. The accusation of 'racism' is going to lose all meaning. At that point they will be well and truly fucked.
>white people pre-holocaust
>"Fuckign Jews can't be trusted"
>"Lets not hire Jews or buy stuff from Jewish stores!"
>"Hey i have an Idea lets kill all the Jews!"
>white people post-holocaust
>haha lets just forget about this holocaust stuff, your skin is pale, so we're the same aren't we?
Yeah, no. Doesn't work like that, Nazis.
>Races aren't only about skin color
It's all that matters where the majority of racial discrimantion is concerned.
>Latinos and Asians are white worshippers
>not acting like a monkey nigger and rioting and looting makes you a """"""white worshipper"""""""
honestly you should consider suicide at this point
Can you get your memewords created by non-biologist Jews with a meme-degree out of this? You might be stupid enough to fall for that bullshit, but I sure am not.
So... you'd like Western culture to go back to being super racist and explicitly discriminatory?
Speaking as a brown guy, I'm damn glad they're not lynching us for looking at white women. The worst I get these days is
>he thinks holocaust is true
Literally kill yourself though
Most things I've seen it's usually
>Easy-E, Idris Elba and Michael B Jordan for Best Actor.
>Compton for Best Pic
>Coogler for Best Director for Creed
I haven't seen Creed or Beasts Of No Nation but I guess Easy-E could have been considered but I don't know who to knock off though.
Can you stop spouting your meme vocab, i literally have no clue what your "Brave New World" speak even means, not do I care. SPEAK LIKE AN INTELLIGENT HUMAN BEING. aka a Jew speaking to another Jew, to be honest.
>blacks created the civil rights movement
Negro, you may want to google "Mendez v. Westminster"
It was the basis for Brown v. Board both in concept AND the judge who handed equality to black people.
Seems weird to me that all your fuckers are suddently defending the oscars. It never was about who's performance was better, it's a jerkfest about a specific artistic culture.
If black people aren't nominated it's not because they're not good, it's because they don't adapt to this culture.
All the "black movies" I've seen are not really different from Adam Sandler family movies, with sometimes the occasional romance/drame/feelgood movie.
I don't know if it's white Hollywood that doesn't trust black people, or if they think the movie will bomb, but there are so many interesting movies to do. Where's my Mansa Moussa or Thomas Alexandre Dumas biopic?
Even if this were true in a general sense, it'd be wildly incorrect if we were to account for lead roles only.
Which is the issue, really. As long as black people don't get a decent amount of GOOD lead roles, they won't win awards.
>Maybe they need their own awards show
they do, it's called the image awards, no whites are nominated at all
>Thomas Alexandre Dumas biopic
Fuck that, where's my Haitian Revolution movie? TAD would be drowned out under more important characters, but I'd give my left arm to see a really good Bois Caïman
>Easy-E, Idris Elba and Michael B Jordan for Best Actor.
>Compton for Best Pic
>Coogler for Best Director for Creed
Michael B Jordan aside, this I can get behind. That's still weak though
>As long as black people don't get a decent amount of GOOD lead roles, they won't win awards.
You're assuming that roles are cast based on skin color, and not talent and/or connections. It is you whose exhibiting racist tendencies.
>there will be non-whites and females
How come only Jews can be that racist?
>he thinks this only happened in Germany and not the whole world
Lmao seriously? You're kidding right? Do you even know the history of the Jewish people?
Look at the Magna Carta
The Kings of England that ordered the death of Jews
Spain who Killed and exiled the Jews.
The US where Jews had to start their own businesses in their own ghettos since no one hired them for being JEWISH
but of course, being the liberal retard you are goes
"it only happened in one country man!" Except it didn't. It was global until the end of WWII, where people finally showed some sympathy to the Jews.
Stay ignorant, reddit
It is pretty weak, although Easy-E and Compton do fit the bill of films normally nominated for Oscars. Although I don't know who I'd throw off for the current nominations for it, since they all seem more Oscar typical that Compton does.
Because they only care about themselves. However they try to muddy the waters with this "person of color" nonsense, to make it sound like they give a shit about others, when the reality is they only mean black people when they say that.
It means that a purported race is not based in genetic (biological) similarity, but is artificially constructed by people. It has to be one or the other. Sorry some words trigger you, but there are "races" which are made up--or, socially constructed.
As a whole the Jewish race has become a social construct, unless you'd agree that a blue-eyed, blonde-haired Slav is genetically more similar to Jews from the Mid East than to another Slav.
Because niggers are selfist racists.
Imagine being so stupid that you take millions of niggers in to ruin your country.
>living in south america
>USA kills my president and puts an evil dictator
>couple of years of guerrillas and complicated shit we won our democracy back.
Even with that I'm not going to backstab you, my negro friend it's not yur fault we learned that the hard way.
Look, I realize what you're trying to do. You feel bad since you're realizing that your ancestors literally committed the most atrocious crime in humanity onto the Jews, so you're trying to cover it up by calling Jews "white". Look, I don't hold it against you, I wouldn't mind killing a few million Jews too, but the fact is. No matter how much you try to convince yourself that we are white, you still killed my people simply for having another heritage and culture than your own.
Let that sink in, and then apologize to me for being trying to underplay the struggle and the bond between the Jewish people.
I think it's actually a revolution that can be filmed, though; The French Rev proper is really messy and backpedals, and there's a thousand people in it who play important roles. The times they've tried to film it, it's been three hours and still only partial.
The Haitian one is dead easy for audiences on the thinking front (slavery and racism=bad), you can get some great visuals of battles with muskets and machetes, and there's only a few major players who make it throughout the Revolution on either side. Toussaint Louverture is a custom-made for Hollywood: Not bloodthirsty but capable in battle, charismatic, makes it the whole way through as a central character, you can even get the exposition done back when he was sitting out the war on the plantation.
at what point are you just going to admit that you're milking it?
>Not bloodthirsty but capable in battle, charismatic
Also ruthless, ambitious, autocratic.. he pratically reintroduced slavery, and let thousands of mulatto get massacred for the sake of taking power of the island. And there was more to the revolution than slavery and racism, see the shenanigans he pulled with the spanish, the british, and the former colonial masters.
Either you cut a lot of it and you simplify, which takes the charm away, or you make it realistic, but that would take some guts to pull.
And as it is now, all the blacks working in the US don't contribute more than all the blacks in prison take in upkeep. Blacks as a whole are a net loss to society.
>But I know some good blacks!
You can be as obtuse as is necessary to validate your delusions and project whatever feelings you have on me. That you can't even acknowledge the question about Slavs and Mid E Jews speaks volumes enough.
Also, I didn't kill anyone. Neither did my ancestors. Mine were victims of Genocide as well. Sorry but that card won't work against me. What else you got?
>No matter how much you try to convince yourself that we are white, you still killed my people simply for having another heritage and culture than your own.
>another heritage and culture than your own.
>bond between the Jewish people
Without conceding the point you even admit what I'm saying. Different culture? OK. Heritage? Sure. People? Yeah, Jews are a "People", and there's a bond between them based on all that. But that is NOT genetic. Why are you so sensitive about this? Jews split and over time and formed groups which are distantly related. That's all I'm saying.
Yep, the jews who run Hollywood are racist. Everyone knows that. So take it up with them.
By the way, speaking of some other statistics where blacks aren't represented very well...