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These threads the last few days were fun, let's make it official. It's better than shitposting anyway.
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>>65110570
Best thing about Badlands is the scene where he gets arrested and suddenly the camera is at low angle and it's just magnificent feel of space.
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Based Malick (bump)
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>>65110570
Let's talk about stylized cinematography. Specifically, when does it stop being cool and start being gimmicky.
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>>65112136
That looks really horrible.
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>>65112136
Sin City is gimmicks: the movie but isn't all that cinematographically impressive regardless

Really as soon as attention is drawn to the cinematography in a "look at this isn't this cool?!" way, it's gone too far. Cinematography can stand out, but it shouldn't seem "showy," if you know what I mean.
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>>65112184
You have to admit though, it looks close to the comics.
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>>65112136
Every cinematography is 'stylized'.

I guess you are just looking for 'when does this certain aesthetic run to the ground'

and answer is probably whenever it becomes more of a 'pretty image' thing rather than 'this is done to help the storytelling, to give us info about characters'

and Sin City is boring visually.
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>>65112245
I was with you until "Sin City is boring visually".
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>>65112295
He's right

It stops being cool about a half hour in
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>>65112230
I think I getcha.

Leaves me wondering about sorta gimmicks in film as a whole, like when does paying homage become blatant ripping off and when, if ever, is that okay.
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>>65112295
Rodriwhatever is visually boring director.
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>>65112355
It's a homage when you think "hey that reminds me of that thing"

It's stealing when you think "I've seen this before somewhere else"
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>>65112404
Fair point.
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Is this any good as cinematography then?

I'm genuinely curious, I'm a dumbass and want to learn more about what makes good cinematography.
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>>65112495
That is photography, a still image. Cinematography involves motion pictures and how the camera evolves over the movie.
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>>65112514
That's from that movie The Fall though.
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>>65112381
If that shot was in b&w people would be all over it. Pussy symbolism and whatnot.
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>>65112638
No? Because one of the best things about Fincher's vision is his colors
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Can you shoot for a 3D movie in a way that doesn't look stupid in the 2D version?
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>>65112680
stop
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>>65112680
>that shit cluttering the screen
what am I supposed to be looking at?
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Do animated films have cinematography? If there's no camera I'd assume it would have to be something else
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>>65112782
Yes in the sense that an animated film still has "shots" and hypothetical camera movement.
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>>65112754
The world I suppose.

>>65112782
It's still motion picture so yes
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great flick
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>>65112754
It's so dense; every single frame has so many things going on.
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>>65112782
http://youtu.be/pdSKot0psNg
http://youtu.be/oz49vQwSoTE
He's a meme, I know, but I feel like this could help you out a bit
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>>65112862
Nah Tony is pretty based.
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Why is he such good auteur director lads
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Watched Cranes Are Flying last night and the cinematography was unreal considering it was made in 1957.
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>>65112999
>people in the very distant past of 1957 were very dumb, but now we're enlightened and rich and we can do the most amazing things that those faggots couldn't even dream of LMAO
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>>65112495
well that would be great production design and an intesting image overall but not necessarily good cinematography
>>65112514
>le cinematography can't be shown in stills argiment
fuck off cunt
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>>65113202
Well it really can't be shown in stills. You can't take a random still and ask to rate its 'cinematography'

You need the entire movie and have it in motion, to see what the camera does, how everything works together in motion.

You are rating photography with stills.
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>>65113312
this is pure cinema right here
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Have any directors ever done their own cinematography?
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>>65113107
steady cam was invented in the late 70's you piece of shit
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Friday Night Lights by far has the best cinematography of any TV series.
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>>65113381
Directors, at least auteurs, will always direct cinematographer so the director gets what he wants.

That's why they have visual consistency and are 'discussed' more in depth than say, Ron Howard who clearly lacks any visual aesthetics-sensibilities.
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>>65113414
That's bit binary of you, but it did look outstanding sometimes and its basic cinematography suited the atmosphere of it very well
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>>65113381
Soderbergh has done the cinematography for lots of his own films (and for other directors' films, too).
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>>65113414
that's not how you write The Wire
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This will forever remain one of my favorite shots in cinema.
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the greatest
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>>65113530
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>>65113510
The Wire is great and all, but cinematography-wise it's very traditional and standardized.
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>>65112782
You can use cinematography techniques in animation, sure.
You can do a long take, although everyone will understand that it's much easier to pull of in animation because you aren't literally trying to shoot everything in one go.
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>>65113562
It does work for it, such barebones and grounded without tricks, works well for the detective approach. If it were flashy and bullshitted like Deakins memetography it'd just look weird.
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>>65113530
>>65113553
>cinematography in a cartoon
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>>65113414
This. God-tier.
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>>65112782
It's Such a Beautiful Day was pretty goddamn pretty.
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>>65113553

Top tier kino.
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>>65110570
I think this is a terrible picture.
I would have lowered the camera so the actors, the campfire and car would contrast with the sky.
But what do I know. I'm not Terrence Fucking Malick.
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>>65113414
>>65113672
Another great Friday Night Lights shot.
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>>65113741
it's called Badlands, not Badsky
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>>65113414
>>65113472
>>65113672
>>65113821
Last one. I have to say, the cinematography and the music on this show contributed A LOT to the quality.
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top notch cinematography, m'lads
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>>65114030
say what you want, but the scale in those shots with the two planes or another one in inception with an helicopter makes them god tier imo.
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>>65113553
Anno's mancrush did it better
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>>65112999
All of Kalatozov's films are like that
Great camerawork but he just tried too hard
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>>65114424
Probably the best current filmmaker who has great parts but only good wholes
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>>65114622
PTL was self-indulgent wank, but it had some nice scenes
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>lets talk about cinematography when we have a sophomore understanding of it
lmao
start dropping those """"cinegrids"""" /tv/ cinephiles
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>>65114752
I don't even have that much understanding of it. I just like what I think looks good.
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>>65114752
Fuck off back to your film school, loser. See how far that film studies degree gets you.
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>>65114710
>>65114424
>>65114403
>>65114374
>>65114348

what's the name of this flick?
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>>65114964
>le i am angry >:(
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>>65114965
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>>65114752
Yeah lets not talk about anything before we are savants, just sit with mouths shut and have the information just randomly appear to us :v)
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>>65115114
>mad max fury road is a """""good"""""" movie
>i however watched it at home and not at the cinema house like you're supposed to
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>>65115137
lmao figured you were that cuck, you lead a pretty sad life.
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>>65112406
is that lobster? I've been meaning to see it but I haven't had the time yet. Is it good?
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>>65115137
it's a great film actually.
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I need more films like this
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>>65115137
>"""'''""X''''''''''''''
Where did this meme come from?
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>>65115229
>it's a great film actually.
t. plebeian child of /v/
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>>65115203
The pilot episode of Twin Peaks was astonishing to look at and still is.

I really hope Lynch can do something equal with the new season. I don't think his later work ever looked better than pilot of TP.
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>>65115219
Yes and yes
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>>65115114
I feel like Fury Road overdid the orange/blue thing 90% of the time, but there's a couple scenes in it that are still very pretty (like the one you posted).
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>>65115033
malick: the mexican edition
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>>65115290
What orange-blue thing? They have a outright blue night time scene and then it's just orange, there is no orange/blue?

I didn't mind it's color grading.
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>>65115275
>he doesn't recognize the greatness of Miller and Fury Road
>calls anyone else a pleb
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What did he mean by this seriously
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>>65115275
Figured a Keaton influenced movie would go over someone's head that can only come out with board 'insults'
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>>65115350
>Miller or fury road
>>>greatness

Stick to video games and comic books. Try and compare it to classic directors too. Show me that my suspicions about its low cineIQ fanbase are correct
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This thread has nothing to do with cinematography and everyone posting in this thread is 100% certified organic pleb.

Except me.
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>>65115325
Even Malick films make more sense than Post Tenebras Lux
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>>65115280
The pilot really was something else. Let's hope for the best.
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Whats the point of having orange and blue as a theme if it means nothing to the context of the film
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>>65113573
More animated movies should take advantage of their format and do long shots.
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Surprised nobody's posted this yet.
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>>65115461
I should rewatch it someday, I've seen it probably five to six times (talking about season 1 overall).

>>65115471
because it's png
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>>65115371
It's both a sincere statement (Alex was cured of the Ludovico treatment) and an ironic one ("cured" for Alex means a return to sociopathy).
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>>65115463

He did it because hes a hack.
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>>65115471
is that the blue coated bluray version? or did I have an aneurysm and forgot that the one ring was blue not golden?
have to agree with you though, the first film had wonderful camerawork
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This is from a 70s film called World on a Wire (Welt am Draht). There's a mirror in pretty much every scene. I highly recommend it.
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>>65115471
Ring is in the snow

snow = cold
cold = evil
evil = ring

i get it bravo jackson
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>>65115559
I don't understand how that image argues that going for Blue was bad decision
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>>65115568

It really did. People shit all over the Hobbit movies for being bad, but The Two Towers and Return of the King are more like The Hobbit than they are like Fellowship.

What a pity.
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>>65115681

>4kb
>300x168

Even the 90s could do better than this.
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>>65115677
The first one is adventure the next two are mostly war movies.

>>65115681
>dat prince of darkness cinematography
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>>65115704
Uh it looked bettr before i saved it sorry
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>>65115585
benis
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>>65115705

It's not really that. The first one balanced out the seriousness and the goofiness pretty well. It was only later on when it went full-retard.

And also, the EE of Fellowship flows really well - I honestly never get bored of watching it even in a single sitting.

But holy shit the EE of Towers and King are TERRIBLE. That march to Helms Deep just feels fucking ENDLESS.
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>>65115772
What's EE?
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>>65115792

Extended Edition, anon.
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>>65115585
got any more like pic related?

or any thing else related to fass etc
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BRAVO BEARD
>BRAVO BEARAD
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>>65115932
Whedon is such a fucking dead inside director. He literally cannot frame a scene look interesting to save his fucking life and all of his setups scream 'I'm doing a TV-show' quality (meaning dead inspiration)

Fucker got away with it too for a long time
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Wish i had one of those collages for this film
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>>65115883
This movie, even if it got nominated for best picture, is already underrated. People take Spielberg for granted nowadays. Literally a master.
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>>65116017
>film
Thats a movie masquerading as a classic, pleb.
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>>65115996
Also RIP Cameron for going off the deep end decades ago.
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>>65116051
I hated it. It is the sort of limp dicked movie that always wants to point at fingers in retrospect, at problems and issues, but never once proposes what they lead to (OK he touches it TWICE with very short scenes, one of them is also pretty good I give him that) or what they could do to fix that.

It'd be okay if it didn't try to be deeper than surface level, procedural, but damn it rustles my jimmies

also I never really liked Spielberg's visual aesthetics. the more he started to mess with lightning the more I disliked it
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>>65116017
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>>65116053
Friendly reminder that film and movie are synonyms.
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>>65116118
This scene looked sexy as hell.
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>>65115598
That's not the intention at all
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>>65115096
terrible movie

snowtown is going to be his only good film
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>>65116118
>Spielberg's visual aesthetics. the more he started to mess with lightning the more I disliked it
That's Kaminski
He loves this kind of diffused lighting
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>>65116170
What is then mr.smartyfartypants
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>>65115629
It looks fucking awful. They should have just actually shot it at night or at least in a somewhat dark environment.
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>>65116223
There is no intended symbolism. The ring fell into the snow, so we have a close-up of the ring in the snow.
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>>65116138

Sure, if you're just getting into the medium
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>>65116205
I know. But Spielberg loves it too for he wouldn't make him do it in his movies. It really rustles my jimmies in a bad way. I don't like it all, nor do I understand it at all.

He can direct scenes very well and he has eye for visuals (Spielberg); he is by no means hack or untalented despite being old

I just don't like how BoS lacks a good proper gut punch.
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>>65116118
I barely considered the politics of the film. The classical humanist argument, sure, but as said the mastery on composition and flow is very big and unequivocal. It's a minor effort, but I'm using auteurism here.
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>>65116304
Yeah I clarified myself here >>65116288

The writing was just off putting to me.
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>>65116270
What if it means the ring is bigger then them
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>>65116246
Looks good enough for me.

from the POV of the color grading my only annoyance in FR was that there was a shot that lasted for a 2 seconds or something and I don't think it had color grading and it jumps out like an error in the film.
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I think this film was worthy of a oscar nod

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjHwV06onZA
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>>65116304
It's like Spielberg had lot to say but was told to tone it down. All sorts of speeches about human/civil rights, foreshadowing of spying on people and countries, governments etc.
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>>65116246
>tfw plebs try to say it would be impossible to shoot at night in the desert
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>mfw this scene comes in
>mfw I seriously did not expect this sort of hammering of USA's history in Spielberg movie
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The whole film really.
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>>65116639
GOAT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE0DBpw09SU
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>>65116593
Beautiful very emotionally manipulative montage. With humor too. Best moment in the film.
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>>65116434
what if it means the ring is on the right side of the screen, therefore it is RIGHT to use it for evil?
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>>65116270

Are you dumb? The reason it's shot that way, and that it's the center of their attention, is to show that the ring is larger than life and the fucking pivotal thing. Them seeing it interrupts a fucking fight.
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>>65116728
It's as close to perfect as any film I've seen. Impeccable performances, GOAT cinematography, the pacing is perfect and the soundtrack is almost orgasmic.

I wonder if Lean was making a joke having a literal "match cut" in that video.
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A Scanner Darkly
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>>65115471
The depth of field is perfect.
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>>65116835
Even if it was , it the greatest it works on a number of levels.I would love to see the film in the cinerma.

Only match cut as famous is prehaps the bone cut in 2001: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtbOmpTnyOc
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>>65116963
On what levels does it work? Genuine question.
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>>65116639
*parp*
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>>65117015
The most obvious is the link between the sun and the flame of the match.

I'v always thought it was him giving birth to the true start of the film.the sun coming up signifies the beginning of the day i.e his adventure

and of cource the 'match' match cut
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>thread about cinematography
>no hannigays

Times are truly changing.
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>>65115677
Are the theatrical versions also colour graded like this? Is there any bluray that's just the standard films?
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>>65113643
They have no shame.
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How could you go from this...
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....to this
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>>65116732
It went hard at USofA and I wanted more of that.
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>>65117326

As far as I know the TE Blu-ray and the EE DVD are the ones that aren't bathed in blue. But I could be wrong.

I personally like the blue, but that's just me.
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>>65117326
>>65117525
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>>65117645
1st one looks best BY FAR
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>>65117645
first is best
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>>65117717

Whatever works for you, anon. Like I said I enjoy the EE Blu-ray color scheme. It adds a foreboding quality.
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>>65117645
>>65117717
>>65117721
>>65117752

Check this out, lads.
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>>65117401
>>65117438
you can't compare a movie to a console game
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I didnt really like the hatefull 8 but i have to admit it looked stunning and the stuff in the lodge worked really well in widescreen
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i love broen's cinematography
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>>65117797
Sucked the life out of it , fuck even the non-cg shots arn't safe anymore
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>>65117871

He's Gandalf the Grey alright.
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>>65117916
I hate that magical lightning in the first shot.

His face is lit like his hat had lighting bulb
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What are some introductions to the basics of cinematography for a bleb like me? I'd like to understand it beyond 'that's a pretty picture'
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>>65117717
>>65117721
That is because the other filters dont look REAL. Some people like it, but to some people, ridiculous coloring ruins immersion.
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>>65117990
Better then any computer could ever do
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>>65118029
Just try to think 'critically'.

Does the lighting match the mood of the narrative, story, character(s)? What about colors, do they appear in certain cases?

I'd say De Palma for terrible symbolism studying

Watch anything where Deakins worked to see cinematography that doesn't really add anything to the movie and is there to just look pretty
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>>65118123
>>65118029
Also if you want to understand cinematography you should pick auteur, like Kubrick, De Palma, Michael Mann etc. and go through few of their movies chronoligcally to see 'things' develop that's when you notice it the best.
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>>65118029
Vertigo

Just keep in mind the relationship between the pictures and the narrative

Also try 'don't look now' very visual film
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>>65118123
>is just there to look pretty

Does that necessarily mean shit cinematography? Surely it's complementary as long as it doesn't distract from the narrative. Or is it a case of a lack of connection between the cinematography and the narrative meaning the whole isn't cohesive

>>65118171
I really liked 'Don't Look Now', it does an amazing job of creating a sense of foreboding visually, and I think the sex scene is one of the more true I've ever seen. Is Roeg always that good?
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>>65117867
Is this a good show? Are any seasons much better than others?

I love that sorta realistic night time photography, like house of cards
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>>65118384
>Is Roeg always that good?
His early stuff up to about 1985 is great.
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>>65113312
GOAT
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>>65115414
>le /v/ meem

The visual storytelling, especially in Road Warrior, is masterful. Fury Road and Road Warrior are creatively and technically excellent. They are modern kindred spirits of Keaton and Chaplin's work.

Stick to memes, cinema obviously isn't for you.
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>>65118408
It's good mate. Season 1 is good, season 2 is mediocre but comes with equal cinematography as other two seasons, season 3 is good. All come with this sort of night time cinematography that makes me fucking go wild. I absolutely love the job photographers and cinematographer do with the show, the night time scenes are wonderful.

You should definitely watch the three seasons, Saga is well enough written character to follow through them
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>>65118384
>Surely it's complementary as long as it doesn't distract from the narrative
That's what Deakins does though. Especially clear in Sicario where he would need to paint something ugly (since he has lots of control) but ends up falling on his own trappings, making yet another run of the mill Deakins digital photography work and framing everything prettily in position with Always Perfect Lightning and Always Perfect Framing etc.


>The whole isn't cohesive
Exactly.
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>>65118572
What would you consider an example of 'ugly' cinematography done well? Would it be something like Eraserhead or Trash Humpers?
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>>65118635
There's a scene in Amores Perros where there's a dying, bleeding dog in backseat of a car and that just stuck with me for the longest time. don't have bluray so can't get you a screenshot or webm, sorry.
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Is Deakins really a meme cinematographer? He does quality work, not exceptional, but it's always above average. His DP30/30 on Sicario was a super interesting insight into the world of a cinematographer. He seems like a nice guy.
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>>65118863
It's just that directors rarely if ever push him to do something you haven't seen or make him uncomfortable. Sometimes Deakins himself gets a genius fart (like the fight in Skyfall at the hotel), but that's it.
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>>65112184
why?

>>65112230
gimmick?
It's a really beautiful black and white shot. I am in love with the contrast and value range in this picture. Clearly someone well versed in photography and a good eye for editing was involved. And for that alone, this shot should be notable.
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>>65118882
>absolute kinography
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>>65117141
eh is funny, it reminds me of the shot of the Land Speeder going in A new Hope.
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>>65118918
I guess people herald him as the best and that's why he becomes a meme. Most of his work has a look that I don't want to call one-dimensional so much as his own style.
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>>65118572
>and framing everything prettily in position with Always Perfect Lightning and Always Perfect Framing
What's wrong with that?
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>>65118882
>>65118987
>those 2 scenes go one after another

i was blown away
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>>65119070
It starts to get really fucking grating really fucking fast, especially in Sicario. Do you really think the first thing characters saw in the kill house were heads in perfect position at the wall with perfect lightning and coloring like from Adobe's Gradient Tool?

It never manages to portray death, violence, war, corruption, anger, as ugly to me because it's just Deakins' standard procedure. It makes it all fit into nice little shapes and colors like they were staged there.

in Assassination of JJ this actually works because the movie is partly about fame and its deconstruction.
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>>65119223
and in True Grit it doesn't annoy me because it's simple morality tale with sick screenplay meaning I don't look too much into it where as Sicario tried to be deep and failed at it.
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>>65119223
>Do you really think the first thing characters saw in the kill house were heads in perfect position at the wall with perfect lightning and coloring like from Adobe's Gradient Tool?
No. Are you retarded? They're characters in the movie. What we see isn't what they see. Do you think Lawrence saw all the desert in rich color with the horizon always along the vertical eighths of the frame?

>It never manages to portray death, violence, war, corruption, anger, as ugly to me because it's just Deakins' standard procedure. It makes it all fit into nice little shapes and colors like they were staged there.
Nothing wrong with filming things beautifully. Do you hate beauty?
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>>65116835
I'm actually a bit annoyed at the film. It's so close to being literally perfect, but the second half has something about the pacing that throws me. I can't even put my finger on it exactly either. It's so close to being 10/10 for me.
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>>65119307
>Lawrence saw all the desert in rich color with the horizon always along the vertical eighths of the frame?
no but it captures his amazement, curiosity extremely well

we should really be talking about something else than villeneuve and deakins, they aren't interesting. just saying. you can leave your letterboxd or steam acc. if you want to talk about my issues with Sicario more later.
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>>65119546
>no but it captures his amazement, curiosity extremely well
How does this sweeping shot capture his amazement and curiosity when he's preparing to lead a rag tag bunch of tribals into battle? Cinematography doesn't have to scream intention every time, sometimes it can just be pretty pictures.

>you can leave your letterboxd or steam acc. if you want to talk about my issues with Sicario more later.
Why do you assume I have a letterboxd or Steam account? Are you this presumptuous all the time when you have no argument to make?
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Who is your favorite cinematographer
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>>65119954
Shane Hurlbut
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>>65119954
Hard to say because I just see things from director POV and they change cinematographers constantly yet have same visuals and aesthetics if they're auteurs.
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>>65119954
Lubezki
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>>65120165
>>>/handycamVIMEO/
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>>65120165
He's one of the best. He deserves the Oscar this year too.
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>>65120165
>>65120064
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>>65120233
His movies have cinematography that is great for them and his slapstick skit.
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>>65116205

Is she about to suck him off?
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