>>65078306 Something sometimes doesn't pair well with others. The content of anime is very fantastical and un real
"Oh sword of one thousand spirits, filled with this demon spirit, who belonged to my grandfather, and I'm a demon detective who's actually part fox! My ancestors were gods but now we are farmers so I must defeat the evil wizard *vanishes behind you, slices you with my katana* nothing personal kid."
It's just silly and doesn't mesh well with actual art. It's a children's show
Adults like all sorts of juvenile things, and many needlessly draw imaginary lines to make themselves feel more adult about it. But trust me, there is nothing more redeeming or adult about Two Broke Girls or Brooklyn 99 than about popular anime.
>>65079071 It is simply the truth. Anime struggles to reach the heights of film, it is very rare for the medium to produce anything of artistic merit. If you cannot accept this, perhaps you should go back to /a/.
>>65079177 >there is nothing more redeeming or adult about Two Broke Girls or Brooklyn 99 than about popular anime. Except characters that act like real people and aren't just walking fetishies for pathetic neckbeards to masturbate.
>>65079330 That depends on the animation, but generally speaking the animation in anime isn't particularly unrealistic. It can rely on not having to deal with physical constraints, but live action can and does circumvent physical constraints too.
>>65079414 >you could say this about any medium No. There is a reason why there are hundreds of film festivals every year and why some films are so praised by the critics. You can't say the same about anime.
>>65079513 Anime is one sector of one country's film and television industries, and television shows make up the majority of it. So obviously there aren't going to be hundreds of film festivals all around the world dedicated to just anime.
Because most of the time these adaptations get bought up by companies who don't give a shit about the source material and churn out the cheapest shit they can, and change everything about the original story thinking they can get "mass appeal" and fans don't matter.
Yet somehow, Resurrection F, in an extremely limited release, ougrossed Evolution's wide release
>>65079651 It's not. You are just repeating memes you heard somewhere, or jumped to conclusions based on incomplete, misleading or misinterpreted information.
>>65079669 Other countries did in fact start emulating anime and manga when they got popular (Avatar and Korra are some of the most well-known examples). But there are a large number of obstacles in trying to make "anime" in Western countries, so even if people want to do it it's really difficult (case in point: Avatar and Korra were animated wholesale in South Korea).
>>65079709 Princess Mononoke and Spirited Away won the Oscar equivalent of film of the year. The Wind Rises was the highest grossing film in Japan of its year. Combustible won the Media Arts Festival award for best animation in 2012.
TV anime has been popular mainstream entertainment in Japan for as long as there's been TV anime.
>>65079764 Some anime is for children. That doesn't magically mean all of it is.
>>65079970 You can easily find a list of 250 best Japanese movies according to Kinema Junpo (the oldest Japanese movie magazine). I don't think there are even 10 anime on that list. And most of them are from Miyazaki anyway.
>>65080286 In-betweening is what mostly gets outsourced (and even then, not all of it). The key animator draws the most important, defining frames of the animation, and the in-betweener fills in the rest according to the key animator's instructions. Usually.
>>65080308 Which of course means whatever you want it to mean, and doesn't mean whatever you don't want it to mean. So anything American is definitely not juvenile even if it involves men in colorful costumes beating up super villains.
There's a couple of reasons. First is that unless it's a direct adaptation of an animu movie, you are condensing a 12/13+ hour experience into 2 hours. Imagine someone turning a season of the Wire into a movie, there would be so much lost that even if you weren't familiar with the source material, you would know there was a lot missing.
Second, these adaptations have to date been handed to bottom of the barrel directors so even if they had the best source material ever, there is little chance of the adaptation even coming close to making the most of it.
>>65080610 Attack on Titan is actually two movies (the movie version of Madoka is also two movies), and from what I hear they don't even adapt the manga but tell a new story.
Also, a 12 episode anime would be only four hours long.
>>65080682 Moving the goalposts. We weren't talking about quality.
>>65080743 >Mecha is for kids. No it isn't, and I could just as well say 2001 is for kids because it's set in space and has a talking computer.
>You struggle to find something that looks mature. It was the first thing that came to my mind. There was no struggle.
>I can name more than 100 films from 2015 alone that are more mature. The global movie industry is ridiculously huge compared to anime, and mature is a nebulous term anyway. As you just demonstrated by insisting that mecha anime must be for kids.
>>65080761 Source 1: Young cannabis smokers run risk of lower IQ, report claims Source 2: CM Punk Needs to Return to WWE Title Picture After Feud with Wyatt Family Source 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0o32oYtOXI
>>65081010 By that same logic Game of Thrones also applies. It had a great beginning but the way it is now it is also laughably bad. I dare you to watch any scene with Dany and tell me that that is quality western entertainment.
I don't think anime is better than any other particular media. Certainly it does have a lot of shit to sift through to find the good ones, but that is the same with any other kind of media.
>>65081887 There's no need to project. It's not polite.
>>65081950 People commonly accept cinema as art. They also commonly accept drawings and paintings as art. Anime is essentially cinema, but made using drawings and paintings. The animation of anime is also itself art.
>>65082097 People have been arguing about the definition of art for years and years. There is no consensus.
The most simple definition is probably that art is something high quality. A painting, sculpture or movie is called art because it's a very good painting, sculpture or movie with a high degree of aesthetic and/or intellectual quality.
Art can also refer to paintings, sculptures and movies as artforms. All paintings are part of the artform of painting, but not all of them are labeled art, or work of art, if they aren't considered good enough.
>>65082322 Also I forgot to say: to a lot of people art just means: "This thing has been blessed by the high priests of academia for whatever reason. I haven't seen/watched/read/listened to it, but if I tell people it's art I'll be seen as a cultured, intellectual and mature adult by association."
>The most simple definition is probably that art is something high quality
So, now you can argue "Is anime something of high quality?"
>This thing has been blessed by the high priests of academia for whatever reason
So now you can argue "Is anime something that has widespred critical acclaim across... whoops, we need to select a target audience too. Are we arguing is anime art in North America, Japan, Asia, the planet Earth?"
>>65082784 >So now you can argue "Is anime something that has widespred critical acclaim across.." I clearly meant that people are being pretentious, shallow and stupid by only repeating, and appealing to, the opinions of "authorities."
Anyway you're overcomplicating the shit out of this. If cinema, drawing and painting are accepted as art then there's no reason why anime wouldn't be art.
You see, I believe art can only be produced by regulated trade groups, and if anime is created by persons who do not have certification from a governing body that designates them as artists, it cannot be art.
Do you see how debate would be troublesome if we didn't agree on what the definition of art was before arguing?
>>65083508 You should have followed it more closely: >I clearly meant that people are being pretentious, shallow and stupid by only repeating, and appealing to, the opinions of "authorities." And I don't know people could have misunderstood my post in the first place.
Art is the expression of the emotions, philosophy, opinions and perception of the creator (also referred to as "the self") through any number of numerous mediums.
It is often judged on the insight and level of its themes and ideals, the originality of the concepts presented therein, and numerous aspects of technical skill that are usually (but not always) specific to the individual medium to which the work belongs.
Works which fail to meet a certain level (often hotly debated on between differing parties) of these aspects is often regarded as having little to no "artistic value", which is often referred to in the shorthand as "not art"
What is wrong with using the above as a general consensus of the definition of art? At least for the sake of discussion.
>>65083754 What is there even to discuss? The guy (who probably left the thread the second he made his post) just hates anime (likely for reasons that have nothing to do with anime itself) and will come up with anything and everything to rationalize it.
>That means only the creator can define something as art
That would be handled in the third section which talks about how art is judged. I think that at its base, "true" or "real" art starts as an expression of the self (which explains why pulpy nonsense that exists solely to make money automatically has no artistic merit), so the creator has probably about as much of a say as the audience does, despite the obvious difference in the size of each of the parties.
I dont claim the definition (which is mine and mine alone) to be perfect, but the topic in question is a nebulous one. I think its a better definition than "everything is art" or "only things academics agree upon", in any case.
>>65083335 no, don`t care about anime or cartoons, stopped watching that shit when i was like 12.
What i don`t get, its why grown men sit around watching cartoons made in chink-land, where every fucking character looks exactly the same and 8 year old girls are wielding swords that are ten times bigger than them.
>>65084102 I was unclear as to which phrases consituted your definition, and I thought I made it clear in my post.
Yeah, it boils down to "personal expression+technical skill+ critical appreciation" which I can mostly agree upon. The critical appreciation part I dislike because it is the hardest to quantify. You can compare skill levels, but critic is subjective.
>>65084124 Yeah, because every Otomo, Kon, Oshii, Miyazaki, Takahata, Yuasa etc movies are about 8 years old wielding swords bigger than them. I admit that the majority of anime is shit, but there are some genuinely good gems buried in there. Seriously, The Tale of Princess Kaguya must be the most beautiful movie of 2013.
>>65084264 Its not a meme you goofy fuck. Its literally the reason animu characters have oddly colored stupid hairstyles and costumes - to make themselves visually distinctive because there are only 6 faces in anime.
>>65084779 Videogames as a medium could be great to tell stories if they know how to directly integrate them to the gameplay, see Papers, Please or Pathologic. The problem is that most devs don't care or don't know how to do it, so they just put a lot of "cinematographical" moments a la call of duty and cut-scenes.
>>65084690 Aside from being animation they have nothing or nearly nothing in common, but I guess some people fixate on the animation part and can't look past it. Which is a lot like thinking an amateur porn video shot on a phone camera is the same thing as The Revenant or something.
>>65084786 Nobody said there aren't characters who look very similar. It's just not nearly as common as you think. Male characters also have drastically less versatility than female ones.
>>65084865 So they ARE visually distinctive, is what you're saying. Except, oh, it somehow doesn't count because of some arbitrary logic that says faces have to be distinct all on their own.
By the way, how well do you think people would tell apart American superheroes if they were all bald and naked? Or even just wearing the same clothes?
>>65085348 They do, because generally males have short hair and no accessories, and that makes a big difference. I think they're also less versatile in their hair colors. Even as far as clothing goes, female characters have more range.
>>65078306 >novels >pure text, you visualize everything in your mind >the film director basically has complete freedom of how to translate the story into a film
>anime/video games >video, pictures, music and voices are all provided >the film director either changes everything and fucks it up, or he tries to make things too similar but still fucks up because of technical issues, e.g. people flying through the sky and shooting energy beams looks normal in an animated cartoon, but weird with real actors The Death Note live action show actually looks pretty good, because there isn't too much supernatural stuff going on on the screen.
If you want face diversity, abstract worlds (deep sea world, skyworld, creative Islands), unique battle styles, secret organizations, laws of physics entirely fucked with and cruelty. Do watch one piece, but dont tell me it isnt as much entertainment than watching a masked killer or Cia generic agent movie. Anime, because it is drawn, opens up to creativity in form of visual.
I found the Ace Attorney, Kaiji and Death Note live-action adaptions pretty good. It's when things like OP's picture are made purely because it's the flavor of the month and thus it's easy to make anything and make a profit as long as it has Isayama's name on it. I saw the first AoT live-action film twice- once with my little brother and again with my girlfriend- and goddamn if it wasn't the funniest, most terrible shit to come out of Japan since Oreimo.
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