Since people are finally starting to change their minds about the Star Wars prequels, how much longer until it's ok to like Kingdom of the Crystal Skull too? I never really got the hate for this one, it's not even the worst Indy movie.
I never understood all the vitriol aimed at it either. Ayy lmaos aren't any more ridiculous than face-melting ghosts living in a treasure chest or a 1,000 year-old knight guarding a magic cup.
I totally agree. It was 20 years later and totally appropriate subject matter/aesthetic for the 1950s rather than the 30s.
Anyone who says it was better than Tenpke of Doom is either a retard or hasn't actually seen Temple since childhood. Movie is a fucking shitpile.
Crystal Skull wasn't that bad.
That was only a complaint before the movie was released. Once it did the focus shifted to the movie's numerous other problems. Terrible writing, shoe-horned fan service, shit cgi and pacing, etc.
Hellboy (movie and comics) had cool post WWII nazi stuff so it might have worked. Ford and Spielberg's ideas (Nazis hiding out in Argentina) never got fleshed out into a full script.
I honestly think it is mostly decent.
Most of the complaints I find are nitpicks
>DUDE FRIDGE LMAO
>monkeys that are on screen for barely any time
>Indiana Jones can't have aliens because I said so
Whoever came up with having Indy in silhouette looking up at a mushroom cloud to establish where we are now: This is an awesome idea. OR IS IT? Maybe if we had come up with a real great reason. The knowledge that Indy had an extensive WW2 career is excellent. Could have used that! As it stands, Indy gazing upon a nuke sounds like particularly thoughtful but nonetheless lame Internet fan fiction. I really want to be in love with that image, but I was given nothing but the image.
Same for the aliens stuff. Great idea. Still love it, whereas others thought aliens don't belong here. The Roswell aliens actually being RETURNING aliens that send us off on some archaeology could be cool. But it wasn't.
The movie is good up until after they raid that tomb. The fridge scene itself is good, but him escaping in the fridge is retarded and yes, way more stupid then the raft and minecart scene.
I guess can't recall. The premise was moronic and not needed. Guess the 3rd was the cup one? Garbage. Worse than SW. OT, PT, and Tfa > Skull as well. Should have shit more of those every decade instead.
the mine car scene and the life raft shit in temple were really really bad after watching them again. They were cool when I was a kid, but just so stupidly unrealistic in retrospect.
Why the fuck would you have a mine car that goes 200 fuckin mph up and down like a rollercoaster? It's for carrying rocks slowly out of a mine, not funtimes. Also why two tracks side by side that join and split randomly? What function does this serve?
And why jump out of a perfectly good plane in a life raft? OK the plane is out of gas, glide it in for a landing somewhere, your chances are not that terrible. As opposed to jumping out the door in a fucking life raft from 6k feet? That seems like the more survivable plan? That was really just as bad as the fridge scene.
Yeah, the aliens stuff is actually the least of the movie's problems. I mean, the whole ALIENS AND PREHISTORY trope feels a bit done to a generation that grew up with the Fox network, but there was promise there! And if you trust anyone to present a fresh take on an old subject, you trust Spielberg.
Did this movie need more aliens? Should it have ditched archaeology and gone full-on sci-fi with INDIANA JONES VERSUS THE SAUCER MEN? I don't know! Probably not! I liked having Indy back in a jungle, for what it's worth. Too bad the movie has gone totally limp by the time they get there.
I mean they introduce a vehicle with two giant sawblades attached the front and then do NOTHING with it. Imagine if in THE LAST CRUSADE the tank went off the cliff 20 seconds after Indy hopped on board.
Also the jungle was CG or plastic the light made no sense and the green screen looked like attack of the clones. I was comparing it to Lost World tonight in my head trying to decide which was worse. This is worse I think. It makes no sense and looks absolutely terrible and fake for so much of the running time. I mean, GOD, the jeep duel where Shia and Cate are just standing on their green screen stages with wind machines pretending to hop from jeep to jeep goes so fakely for soooo loooong.
Again it's the missed opportunities that anger me rather than the shit that ended up on screen.
You've got two cars riding next to each other adjacent to a GIGANTIC cliff and one of the cars DOESN'T go over the edge? You could give a pile of CRYSTAL SKULL toys to three eight-year-olds and end up with MUCH better action set pieces - probably a more engaging story, too.
Yeah, this is worse than TLW. As unpleasant and dumb as that film is it's got some sequences that work. CRYSTAL SKULL's best scene is the man-eating ants fight and even that has problems.
This is the answer and you all know it. As soon as Chris Pratt stars in a loose remake of Raiders of the Lost Ark, KOTCS will suddenly become an underrated patrician masterpiece you all loved the whole time.
fucking this. the motor cycle chase, indy running around a nuke town, the fun tom raiding sequence. JUST like The Force Awakens, it tricks you into thinking its going to be good by starting out good then out of no where goes full retard.
Wasn't Temple of Doom made while Lucas was going through a horrible divorce? It's a very bitter and angry movie. In terms of construction, pace etc it's nowhere near the perfection of Raiders, but it is arguably the more interesting movie.
Last Crusade is very much a middle-aged movie. It doesn't have the ruthlessness of the earlier films, there's a cosiness to the setup that sits awkwardly with the plucky two-fisted hero of the previous stories. The emphasis is more on the comedy, and it goes out of its way to deflate and poke fun at Indy's heroic status. Bringing back popular characters from Raiders, and using them as comic relief, also defangs the series a bit. Turning Brody from a capable ally to bumbling idiot is, perhaps, an early foreshadowing of the Lucas that would think Jar Jar was a good idea.
But it's still enormous fun. In fact, it plays very much like Spielberg and Lucas at their most playful. I think that diminishes it as an Indy movie, but it doesn't make it a bad film in itself. The spark is still very much there.
Lol. Meant "mine car" but that was a pretty hilarious typo.
I've never thought Kingdom was shit. Aliens are no more ridiculous than the Holy Grail or the Ark of the Covenant.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a GOOD movie, but I'm happy to give it 5/10 - an average mark.
It's certainly not as bad as Temple of Doom, at any rate.
I have no idea why people are so upset with the alien shit. It is time-period appropriate and they had to do something to acknowledge that it's the 1950s and the Soviets are the baddies.
My hats off to them. WWII was pretty much the end of our mythologized magical past and the beginning of our bitter paranoia. Part due to people bring smarter and having access to mass communication, and part to do with the fact that the frontiers of the world were over. Space and The Bomb were pretty much all anyone could think about for the next 50 years.
>Raiders=Lethal Weapon=Die Hard
>TOD=Lethal Weapon II=Die Hard 3
>Last Crusade=Lethal Weapon IV=Die Hard 2
>KOTCSl=Lethal Weapon 3=Live Free or Die Hard
I won't stand for anyone disagreeing with this.
But anon Lethal Weapon 2 was better than Lethal Weapon.
I dunno. People seemed to be really stuck on that aspect at the time.
My only real gripe was the shitty CGI in the jungle. Although I think we're only just now getting into the great revival period of practical effects.
At the time, yes. When it was leaked that there were aliens in the movie people on the internet were extremely asshurt but since the movie came out the focus shifted to other problems in the movie.
This is perfect.
>Raiders=Lethal Weapon=Die Hard
Tightly scripted serious action film. Your Dad loves this one.
>TOD=Lethal Weapon II=Die Hard 3
Darker and more violent sequel that is more sloppily constructed while still being fun. Your teenage self loved this one.
>Last Crusade=Lethal Weapon IV=Die Hard 2
Comfy sitcom one that has the most jokes. Your whole family loves this one.
>KOTCS=Lethal Weapon 3=Live Free or Die Hard
The one everyone describes as "the bad one" that never leaves the boxset. No one likes this one except contrarians on the internet.
This. I strongly suspect it is one guy, one pathetically autistic butthurt red pilled polack who is trying to force le Lucas wuv right meme. The Prequels sucked balls. Indy Crystall balls sucked balls. Lucas was a great visionary and pioneer of sfx but he is a shit director. The original Star Wars was great in spite of him, through the intervention of more competent people.
Shia was the only one who tried to take his role seriously. Harrison Ford was an embarrassment, just like in TFA, and Karen Allen was just happy to be in front of a camera again.
crystal skull in the spooky dark area where that one guy rolls around like some weirdass mexican ninja or something.
no one ive watched it with cares but damn its stupid and really bargin bin cheap looking.
Just don't show the fucking aliens!!! Literally do everything they did in the film and when they get to the temple some other shit happens. Just don't show the fucking aliens, let it be a fucking mystery. You stop being a faggot.
>white guy goes to nonwhite places
>rummages around their sacred tombs and shit
>steals the treasure inside
>gives it to American and European universities
Anyone else see how complications could arise were we to play this to modern audiences? I love the movies but I think its best we leave the franchise buried lest it becomes the next racial battleground
I know, it's just not worth it. I dont want to reas debates online about why the next actor to play Indiana Jones isn't a black guy like there are about casting for the upcoming Han Solo movie
I just dont. Leave the franchiee alone.
Oh, right. Just like they don't show them opening the Ark and having ghosts fly out and melt peoples faces, or having them show a man rip another still beating man's heart from his body. Or showing a ghost knight protecting the holy grail. You like that kind of mystery I guess.
I never hated it. I've been saying that since it came out. I don't understand what is so god damn out of place about aliens when going for a 50s Cold War aesthetic in an Indiana Jones movie. Including Area 51 as a location is the first thing I would think of when making it, and that would naturally lead to aliens.
I only don't like it because it lacks the comfiness of the 80s movies. I order a pizza and drink a six pack while watching the Last Crusade every six months, it's become pretty much a tradition for me.
the problem arent the aliens itself, the problem was especially
>how the aliens were shown (IN YOUR FUCKING FACE, BOOM, LOOK AT THE HUGE ASS SPACESHIP FUCK YEAH)
>the extremely shitty cgi
>some extremely retarded scenes that destroyed the movie (laboof swinging with the monkeys, hiding in the fridge and so on)
and, as you said it, it just isnt comfy.
>yfw JJ Abrams does an Indiana Jones reboot with Beastie Boys music and 1 billion lens flares
Both Lucas and Spielberg were going through divorces at the time actually so that explains the mean-spirited tone of the movie. Also explains Spielberg hooking up with Capshaw on set.
shhhhh ooorrrr ttttt round
crystal go's downhill very rapid once shia shows up, then even further down the shit hole when karen allen pops up ,
best scene in crytal skull in my opinion is near the end ,,,,,,,,,,,,,when the interdimentionals leave to go back to the space between spaces , it was so cool , but the movie is just so bad.
It does suck. People often think it does for the wrong reasons ("but muh fridge scene", "but muh aliens"), but there's still plenty wrong (old HarFord, monkeys, nonsensical storyline...)