Never watched anime but this intrigued me since it won an Oscar. Will I be wasting my time?;
someone else has already voiced my opinion but I need to comment anyway because people need to know that I also thought that
>browsing whilst watching even pleb shit like this
>all the edgy contrarian tears in this thread
This isn't really anime. It's more of a piece of art. Most of this director's films are.
If you want beautiful movies that do deserve every award they've gotten, then anything involving Miyazaki or Satoshi Kon are lovely in both appearance and substance.
Spirited Away, while great, is actually not among my favorites of his.
That would be Princess Mononoke or Naussica. The English dub also always manages to hire a great cast, sometimes surprising people doing main roles, like Gillian Anderson, Patrick Stewart, Christian Bale, Mark Hamill...
Grave of the Fireflies made me cry more than any movie I've ever seen, and I refuse to watch it again.
People who dismiss animation as a medium are ignorant and missing out on a lot of great material. Like any media or art, you have to sludge through mounds and mounds of absolute shit to find the gems. But when you do, they are so worth it.
Yes. If you don't like ecchi or moe, anime is pointless. Don't be one of those pretentious fuck wits who only watch ghibli films but still say you 'like anime'. Just fuck off.
One of the things Gibli actually does well is find a good dub English cast.
Except with that one movie recently that hired Daisy Ridley to play the main character. That was just a publicity stunt.
If you wish to feel better about it, just regard Miyazaki's films as not being anime. They are simply animated films, which just so happen to be of the highest quality. They are great family films and easily deserve any awards they've gotten.
>Anime is pointless
Seriously though, moe isn't some casual filter for your weebshit "slice of life" animu's. Its just really, really stupid animation styles that pander to societal turds like yourself. Have fun with your body pillow and the hobby that you can consider "yours". Trust me, no one else wants it from you.
>Grave of the Fireflies made me cry more than any movie I've ever seen, and I refuse to watch it again.
grave of fireflies is literally dogshit. both the kids died because the brother was retarded.
Kek, look at this pretentious faggot. This is who you don't want to be. You are THE defintion of a fedora tipping retard. Have fun with your 'not anime anime'. People like you never fail to make me laugh, thanks.
I'm confused. Are you shoved so far up your own rectum that you believe people who DON'T watch moeshit are the fedoras? You realize you're the laughing-stock of not only the internet, but probably your family and friends as well, right? Tell me about your plan to move to Japan, the superior culture, where everyone watches only moeshit anime and waifubait harems. They'll totally be accepting of yet another NEET piece of human garbage like yourself!
Watch your cholesterol, angry anon. You understand moe and ecchi is a guilty pleasure for everyone, right? I am not pretending it's some huge piece of art, like you do with your ghibli trash. You should get a new fedora, yours seems a little worn.
Yes. Entire back third of the film is crap, even a preponderance of weebs agree.
Pic related is probably the studios most balanced film I'd suggest you try it first.
this entire thread is full of hypocrisy you cant enjoy this movie and then call anime trash
This movie has little to no substance, both its cliche characters and unimaginative imagery, which is increasingly directly spelled out for you by dull exposition as if you were a 6 year old child.
You literally started with "if you don't like ecchi or moe, anime is pointless". Now it's a guilty pleasure, for everyone. Which is it, backpedal-anon?
>If you don't like ecchi or moe, anime is pointless
dude I like anime but that stuff is always terrible
It certainly doesn't mean that one shitty subgenre is necessary to enjoy an entire medium. Do you know what guilty pleasure means?
I think you need to refine your definition of moeshit. Because I rarely see the bug-eyed waifu-bait in animes with halfway decent animation.
Stick with ya boy Oshii, Avalon was the shit.
>however, thinking too heavily about it is considered outside the scope
Those little animals, they are moe. You're a fucking retard you can't even identify moe characteristics inside of anime.
>actually thinking this much about anime and not just enjoying it for what it is.
Fuck man, I actually feel sorry for you. No one cares that you like ghibli, as soon as you mention anything to do with anime the end result is always the same. You're simply pretentious. You severly missunderstand what anime is. It's literally a genre which only exists to sell more manga or toys of any given series. It is commercialism incarnate.
I'm done with you though, ignorance is bliss and it's been fun to see you attempt to jusitfy your interests.
Watch Porco Rosso next.
Both are easily Miazaki's best. Spirited Away is for little girls, and Porco Rosso is for adult men.
I've enjoyed plenty of anime with zero moe.
Mushi-shi, Ghost in the Shell, Death Parade, Parasyte.
Fuck, even mainstream mediocre stuff like Attack on Titan does not have moe.
Spirited Away is a decent film that boarders the "anime" trend but maintains its dignity. Jin- Roh is one of the best japanese animated movies that is totally disconnected from the anime meme. (yes anime as a fad is a meme; as in mimetic)
That's literally all got moe. Think of it like this, moe is just something which is cute, which stands out. MC from Mushi-shi has a moe haircut, GiTs girl's clothing is moe, pic related, is moe. The parasytes are moe. There is noe 'moe' anime, there can be alot of moe in an anime but it's not a thing which defines a series. It's simply in everything, even Pscyo Pass, an anime which tried to avoid moe, has moe.
I think you need to come down off that wonderful anime-critiquing high horse you're on there, friend. You seem to believe you are in a position to make a very broad generalization of an entire genre and have it accepted as fact. Nonetheless, you're already wrong about what moe is. Seeing as how you are not supposed to feel emotional or sexual attraction to the animals, it is not moe. If you do, being a weeaboo is the least of your problems.
Satan, please explain moe to us. We wish to bask in the hate.
>To my mind, animation is for children. Porco Rosso flies in the fact of that assumption. Morever, as a producer I still think Porco Rosso is too idiosyncratic a film for a toddlers-to-old-folks general audience. That it turned out to be a hit was an unexpected stroke of luck. It's actually kind of disturbing.
Miyazaki find's your inability to grasp the film disturbing.
So do you have such a conniption if anything resembling cute just shows up in a movie for a brief instant? Teddy bears are never allowed to be in the scene of anything you watch? You are getting triggered.
>Motoko being moe in the movie
Sure, whatever you say.
>Ginko's haircut is moe
The fuck does this mean? The white? It has to do with the setting and his background.
>Parasytes are moe
What the fuck is your definition of cute? Pic related
You know the only reason /a/ seems to 'obsess' over SoL and romcoms is because that's the only thing coming out of Japan at this moment? It's the same as capeshit and /tv/ or Star Wars and /tv/. Boards talk about what is current.
There is a reason why moeshit anime is the only thing coming out of Japan right now, because most of the anime fanbase these days are moeshit faggots who don't like to watch anything of value.
>What the fuck is your definition of cute? Pic related
Do you have any understanding about Japan and their love of 'ugly cute' things?
pic related. Hair styles like this literally has a term. http://animanga.wikia.com/wiki/Ahoge
I didn't say anything about her, except her outfit, which is moe.
That it's dealing with adult themes at all makes it different from his other films.
I find his grandiose ramblings on environmentalism or traditionalism to border on childish ecofascism, when Porco Rosso is for once a personal film from him.
Host the backup for /v/ and /tv/ from .moe and I'll show you
I liked Grave of the Fireflies a lot, but in terms of WWII films I though Barefoot Gen did a better job at getting at the core of the conflict.
Chronicling the bombing of Hiroshima through the eyes of one decent loving family was devastating. As a whole it works better as an indictment of the war and war in general, and as a result has greater sticking power.
There's a reason many /tv/ regulars are begging Hiroyuki to create new boards to quarantine all the capeshit/starcucks that pervades this website.
I recall /a/ had something similar happen when Madoka aired originally aired (and the year that followed). You have only to look through the current /a/ catalog to see how destitute that board has become. It's not too late to save /tv/.
It absolutely makes the work more mature there's no other barometer for maturity but for subject matter. Whether you think it succeeds as an entertaining film is another thing entirely.
>Typical markings of a Miyazaki film are all there in the same coating.
In that what, it's animated?
The dubs aren't always good. For example, Chloe was pretty flat in Princess Kaguya. Marnie was pretty shit in english I thought. Howl's Moving Castle had an amazing dub though.
That doesn't mean much, though; one of the best series of the entire 00s was a big-budget dream project of one of the best animators in the business and it was fantastic but sold like ass so he's back to being a waiter.
It really depends on the film.
Laputa is one where, controversially, I prefer the dub, and because of the changes.
Spirited Away's, on the other hand, fucks up way too much shit and makes the plot several times more confusing for no reason. It absolutely must be seen subbed (though dubbed Yubaba is still done well).
Cat Return's dub is a straight up writeoff. Burn it.
Don't mind me just posting greatest animated film of all time.
Tbh, ghibli, like most anime, went to shit after it switched to digital.
Grave Of The Fireflies' main focus isn't as an anti-war film though, see any interview with Takahata where he talks about it. It's a cautionary tale about the danger of pride, yes, the brother is retarded and fucks things up because he wants to spite his aunt.
Wind Rises was originally going to be Porco Rosso 2 (about the Spanish Civil War), after Arrietty. It grew directly out of our red pig. I think they're much the same, and Myizaki consenting to make it represents a sea change, in that he's willing to have a sock puppet version of him on screen again.
>yfw both Miazaki and Yonebayashi are both probably actually retired for good this time
>yfw The Last Sortie will never be made