>>65043317 You know he survived scalping right? that's why he had a massive bald patch. You didn't manage to watch the movie and not get a defining part of his character which he explicitly tells a story about.
He'd a agree, which is ironic considering how much bile he reserves for red-skinned savages in particular. Shows how unreflecting, selfish and lonely he is. Can't really blame him for being that way, he lives in a hard world- but I can't root for him. There are just as many far more noble characters living in the same awful world as him. He's pitiable because he really won't ever be able to understand them.
And his "revenge won't bring them back" laughably missed the point in particular. Bringing 'em back is not the point. In a wilderness like that justice will look a lot like revenge. One of the most decent and civilized characters comes along on Glasses ostensibly "personal revenge" mission and pays for it; his presence is society's endorsement of Glass and condemnation of Fitz.
Which is fine, if Fitz want's to say "no" to society (which he seems to have been doing most of his life, or at least living on the edge of it), he can: it's just gonna be a lonely life of a lot of running.
Good luck out there, asshole. Oh wait, you're dead!
>>65045008 I dunno what you mean by "real life" but I assume you mean something like: "he was a redpill masta, fuck the haters, he knew what was up, he was living his life right, them other idiots were living in various states of delusion and folly, but not my nigga here, he is euphoric because he is enlightened by his intelligence"?
Yeah, no. For one, he's too simple-minded and imbecilic. He doesn't have the self-reflection to be marked as "living in reality" (not saying any of the characters are particularly introspective or have a coherent idea of what their life is, but he's definitely too stupid to qualify). He's obviously own-aware of the ironies of his own beliefs; he can't have it both ways: either we're all savages or you get to sneer at some people you call savages.
He was clearly too weak to live alone or had prosaic, conventional desires, both evidenced by his choice to live among other people. But, he was also a pretty standard miscreant. Either he was too dumb to live the life he wanted *in* society, or he was too weak and dumb to hack it on his own, but his choice to live on the edge shows a failure to commit to either and the ignorance of his state.
>>65043355 It was useless considering that it pretty much has no historical basis. He said he wanted to sound like the Sergeant from Platoon. He ended up with some weird mix of Pennsylvania, Appalachia, and modern Texan country boy. He does end up slurring his words due to the 'lazy drawl' aspect.
Doesn't help that he's somehow the only person in the movie with that particular accent.
>>65043317 Because he was sad He lost his hair, his beautiful mane, and nothing can be done to get it back If the injuns never scalped him, he wouldn't have been such an asshole. But, alas such is the nature of tree niggers. Big sky niggers on the other hand don't take your topknot. Thats the only reason he really wants to go to texas.
What was the situation with the indian character we saw. He wanted to find his daughter and so took the horses from the french to find her, then later we see that his daughter was with those same french people? Then Leo saves her and she ends up with the indians again at the end and then the Injuns kill Tom Hardy?
Was it implied that Hardy was the one who took the daughter and they were getting revenge? Or was his murder at the end just "fuck whitey"?
>>65046159 It was just fuck whitey we have to assume, because there's absolutely no indication that the Indians actually ever had an idea where she was or who had her. It's possible the French had her hidden away when the Indians came a-calling that one time.
>Tom Hardy speaks with a distractingly silly accent that is barely understandable. >Still ends up being a great performance and often the highlight of the movie How does he keep doing it? He was a bit too understated in Max for me but this was prime Hardy.
>>65046159 Yeah, wait, what the fuck this confused me so much.
During the first scene with the french, they basically ask for a woman as payment as well as the pelts, and I just naturally assumed that this girl was one that they got. I swear at some point they made actual reference to "those horses were a good exchange for you" or something.
The the film ends and ... i guess she was pokawa? or maybe not? fuck man I do'nt know, I liked the movie a lot but it felt messy af
>>65046312 No one sane really has an issue with Fitz wanting to ditch Glass. Glass got mauled by a god damn bear and even had his throat sliced. Nobody would assume that he would survive, everybody though he would certainly succumb to his wounds and die. The issue is that Fitz went out of his way to murder Glass before his time actually came, then he killed Hawke in front of Glass and lied to the kid in order to leave a still breathing Glass in a ditch.
>>65046159 >>65046571 I was late to the movie by maybe 15-20 minutes. What did I miss? How late was I really? I got there at the start of the first (?) battle scene where everybody is fighting to reach the wooden boat and people from both sides are dropping like flies.
>>65046679 The fight scene happens quick and without warning. The movie begins with Leo telling his son to keep breathing while 2deep4u flashbacks play. Then it cuts to the present where Glass, Hawke, and Bridger are hunting. They fire a shot and Fitzgerald hears it, getting all pissy (and justifiably so considering they soon get attacked)
I'm not an English native speaker and watched this one without subtitles. I could barely understand the fuck he was saying; I'd tried to get the main point or words, but when he went on to tell the story about his dad or about his scalp I had a bad time.
I think it was just showing how callous and insane Fitzgerald was, that his father apparently claimed to find God, but it was just a squirrel and Fitzgerald thought it was funny so he killed and ate it.
>>65046571 You've got it completely fucked up. That was Paqawa. The French had her all along, they traded the pelts for the horses because they knew the ree were looking for her, and it would get them away from where she actually was. When they said at the end "Where's the girl, we didn't trade those horses for nothing" it was a joke, cause they tricked the Indians.
They never asked the Indians for a girl at the beginning.
>>65046892 its defining fitzgeralds worldview. his dad finds "god" when he finds a fat squirrel after days of starving. he then killed and ate "the sumbitch". fitzgerald is an amoral cunt who wants to pull one over on everyone.
>>65048226 Because throughout the film we share in his lust for revenge, and hope to see him get it. When he realises that he is destroying himself for his vengeance, and that it won't really change anything, he has to let go of that lust. The audience is encouraged to do the same. Leo breaks the fourth wall so that this realisation is shared more strongly.
I really liked the characters in this movie, especially liked a lot of the downtime scenes with said characters. I feel like DiCaprio really gave off a strong sense of him actually being badly injured. Like when he crawled over to the big river, started a small fire, then tried fanning the flames by blowing on it but he couldn't because his throat was cut badly.
>>65046033 >>65046892 >>65048080 His dad was going crazy from starvation, prays to god, "god" is a fat squirrel that he eats so he doesn't starve to death so either he ate god because he's crazy or god gave him a gift of a squirrel meal so he wouldn't starve
Pretty shitty dude, but a good antagonist. Too bad the movie felt apart once Glass made it back to the fort.
>going out with only two men after Fitzgerald >splitting up for no good reason >retarded dead man on the horse trick >Glass chickening out and not finishing Fitz himself >Chief *tips feathered headdress* as he walks by Glass
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