What in the living fuck was his plan here?
>Ah, the fight's going ok so far. Luke's pretty angry, just as the Emperor demanded, so I think I'm just gonna lay down on this here railing and OH SHIT WHAT THE FUCK IS HE DOING
What went wrong?
Luke was chanelling the living shit out of the dark side and overpowering Vader. This is after Luke gave into his anger and started wailing on him. Vader wasn't an amazing duelist, the nigga was trapped inside of a mobile iron lung that kept him alive, it isn't power armor or anything like that.
Luke drives Vader back, Vader swerves to the right railing while still fully upright, and then just fucking lies down on the left railing when he could've easily just retreated backward in a straight line.
Like, did the guy just get tired or something? The rest of the fight is pretty much perfect, but I just never understood why they were so lazy with this part. It's as if they said 'ok, what's the stupidest possible position Vader could put himself in?'
>Like, did the guy just get tired or something
Pretty much, yeah. Luke went rage mode and forced Vader to block a flurry of attacks for like a solid minute. Vader isn't so spry anymore ever since he got rekt by Obi, no legs and he developed killer asthma. His suit and prosthetic limbs are also bargain bin tier because Sheev didn't want to spend much money on him.
So yeah, Luke basically beat up the financially disadvantaged wheel-chair bound amputee senior citizen with an oxygen tank at wal-mart.
Could Vader not have gone through another operation to get better limbs or some shit?
Let's face it, in a world as advanced technologically as Star Wars, it probably wouldn't be that difficult.
Dude couldn't breathe. The one thing I will say George didn't fuck up is that Vader really was a pretty shit fighter in the OT, mostly because he was a charred husk of a person. He basically had an asthma attack once Luke started going all out.
the no longer cannon explanation in shadows of the empire is that 1.) they couldn't fix his breathing no matter what so he'd still be in the suit and 2.) he used the pain he felt to try and get stronger in the dark side
He could have, but the old canon was that Sheev literally would not cough up the cash to get him a better suit. One was even offered to Vader and when he showed Sheev the bill Sheev was like "lol, fuck that, I could buy an entirely new set of robes for that much"
Sheev liked Vader weak and permanently grumpy because of his shitty suit.
Actually fucking hilarious. I can just imagine Vader bursting into tears and running away when Palpy tells him he needs the money for a new Star Destroyer or some shit.
HAHAHA seriously what a fucking cuck, he could've at least tried to steal the money from somewhere else in this galaxy-spanning empire he supposedly had a hand in running.
The old EU Sheev/Vader dynamic really was pretty fucking hilarious. Like when Sheev just reminds Vader that his suit has no electrical insulation so as to basically say "hey vader, if you piss me off I can just electrocute you until you can't breath hahaha" at which point Vader IMMEDIATELY leaves to go get insulated. Poorly, because of course he couldn't ask Sheev to pay for somebody to do it right. Hence why Sheev electrocuting him in ROTJ fucks his suit up.
Sheev was basically like Vader's sadistic dickhole older brother or some shit, did stuff just to fuck with him.
I have a question.
In ESB, just before they freeze Han. Chewie has a bit of a tantrum, throws some stormtroopers about the place. Boba lifts his gun to shoot Chewie. Vader puts out his hand and stops him.
Because he knew Chewbacca was a powerful general during the Clone Wars and would therefore be a valuable prisoner of the Empire.
The real answer is that it just wasn't necessary anyway, plus he probably liked putting Boba in his place.
Because Chewie saved Ashoka when the she was kidnapped and hunted by the Sleestaks in TCW.
This piece of dialogue follows the "frozen Han is alive" shot:
-Calrissiam, take the wookiee and the princess to my ship
-You said they would be left in the city under my supervision
-I'm altering the deal, pray I don't alter it any further
For whatever reason, Vader wanted to take both Leia and Chewbacca as prisoners aboard the Executor. Also, while Fett was a professional bounty hunter, he could have shot Han and killed him, thus not allowing the imperials to test the carbonite freezer.
It bothers me too. Luke turns to hit him and missed because Vader pivots. Then he goes to the railing and takes a knee and raises his sword. It's just bad blocking. A badly choreographed fight.
Not that this wasn't funny but it needs to be said that same disadvantaged wheel chair bound amputee senior citizen did exterminate all the Jedi and hunt them down for years and killed a man through space with the force. This is one of the best scenes in the entire trilogy
Vader later used Leia and Chewbie to lure Luke into going to the carbonite freezer room instead of going after Boba Fett and frozen Han. If Han was accidentaly killed by Fett, then Vader wouldn't know if the freezing process would kill Luke. If Chewbie was killed by Fett, then there's no trap later in the movie, Luke could have probably rescued Han or at least avoided being caught or meeting Vader.
No. He stopped Fett from killing Chewie because they wanted Chewie to be in the sequel. There is no good reason, within the context of the movie or without, for Vader to have done that.
What this guy said >>64963010
They either fucked up on a huge assault or let top tier prisoners escape due to incompetence. The guy in the video I linked literally let the rebels escape
He's an old man and got tired even if he is most a machine. He probably had a heart attack or something.
The way Lukes fighting is stupider. He's striking again and again on the same side it shouldn't take any energy at all from Vader.
It's the emotion pleb audience sees anyway so it's always a fan favourite especially in Le Prequel Choreography is so shit xD threads.
Of course Chewbacca and Leia would appear in the next movie, that doesn't prevent the story to make sense without real life interferences.
Vader tells Lando to take Leia and Chewbie to his ship, and then a few seconds later we see Leia and Chewbacca being taken to the carbonite freezer room while Leia is shouting "IT'S A TRAP!!" to Luke. Vader wanted to meet Luke and either take him to the emperor or train him personally to eventually overtake the emperor.
Please, watch the movie again, I promise you Lucas left these scenes untouched in the SE.
What was silly was Vader's reaction to finding this out. Given his determination to bring Luke under his control, you would think there would've been at least a stunned silence for a few seconds. Instead he immediately starts taunting Luke by saying 'OH WHAT A SHAME LOOKS LIKE SHE'S GONNA GET TURNED INSTEAD IF YA KNOW WHAT I MEAN LOL.'
If they'd at least added something, ANYTHING, to show how torn Vader was emotionally by this, like maybe his voice breaking when he tries to mock Luke, or some obvious giveaway that he doesn't mean what he says, then the dialogue would have been vastly improved.
The tradition for a Sith to advance is to kill his master.
This was Vader's attempt at both bringing Luke to the dark-side as well as sacrificing himself to advance Luke to Sithlord master.
Also keep in mind, Sheev is justified considering the whole Sith tradition of backstabbing the fuck out of your mentor. Part of growing as a Sith was to be able to outsmart and overpower your master.
Exactly, it just makes Vader seem less like the conflicted father role he assumes almost immediately after and more like this cartoon character trying to get Luke's goat. I don't even mind him taunting luke about it so much as how he just uses magical powers to find it out and IMMEDIATELY uses that info to dick around with Luke's temper.
yes, 20 years old are really this retarded.
>try to bring out his anger and hatred
>this man kills left and right and single handed brought the Jedi to near extinction
>already turned down by his son twice
>Vader feels Luke's emotions are strongest for his friends and his sister so he uses it against him
>g-g-guys why doesn't Vader like, cry and stuff, when he fights luke, he's just not sad like my animuu characters and my tragic true detective characters ;_: why don't we get to see Vader cry more? I know I cried for him
You fucking millennials are such little bitches you know that? Vader's using the dark side and that's all about anger and hate, not sadness and boo hoo so tragic and 2deep4u bull shit. You whiny little bitches are ruining movies and tv everywhere with this woman garbage.
Are you kidding? Watch the movies, it's obviously what happens
In V he goes easy on Luke because he wants to turn him to the dark side rather than kill him, in VI you can see he's depressed and has given up on the idea, he's dejected the whole way through, when he meets with Luke before he takes him to the emperor he tells Luke it's too late for him, Luke mentions a few times how he can feel the conflict within him, if he wasn't his son he'd be dead in an instant
>to punish himself for what he did to Padme and the Jedi
So is that why he served Sheeve and continued to slaughter Jedi and younglings across the galaxy? As punishment for killing jedi and younglings? First of all, you can't include the prequels in Vader discussions. Everything falls apart when you do that. So only consider the Original Trilogy when thinking of Vader's emotional and mental state.
Not only that but the whole thing gets even more developed with the emperor coming into focus.
Vader knows Palpatine wants him replaced by Luke and is willing to die so Luke can live, even if it means jobbing to Luke.
He knows that if he doesn't sacrifice himself the Emperor will simply kill Luke outright and go on with business as usual.
The only two options Vader has is to sacrifice himself so Luke can live or let Luke die.
And he was perfectly willing to die until Luke threw away his saber. Only at that moment it became clear to Vader he was on the wrong side the entire time.
I met a 20 year old college kid that told me to pick a president we should "have all the nominees stand up and describe their perfect world and that's how the president should be decided" don't ever misjudge someone's ability to surpass your expectations of their stupidity.
Anyone have the links for the Obi Wan/Anakin videos? Specifically the one where Vader is seen for a couple of seconds at the end (but really what you see is Anakin as a child).
Not talking about 'Obi-Wan Remembers The Truth', but it's a very similar edit.
I don't actually think it was meant to be a taunt. Just a bit shitty writing, but basically he's just thinking aloud.
That's why he loses almost immediately when Luke flips out, he just didn't expect that reaction from the little wimp.
It's not that. It's just that there are several possible explanations for why he does that retarded pose, and it could be all of them or only one of them
>throwing the fight so he didn't have to kill Luke
>getting too tired to continue
come on it looked fucking ridiculous
The ambiguity makes it better in my opinion.
I can't see it as anything else, being too tired wouldn't make sense, he fights Luke for longer in ESB and fights harder without breaking a sweat, the choreography was bad, but I don't think it's ambiguous because the dialogue makes it obvious, with the it's too late for me son, ect.
>prequels are good meme
This place is for 18+
You must have missed it m8, ducked out to the toilet or something, at the end of the third movie after Anakin gets all burnt up on Mustafar Palpatine puts him in this fancy suit and it turns out that he's actually Darth Vader, mad shit
He was probably just denying responsibility for all the dreadful things he'd done by that point.
>o-oh I didn't murder scores of children and thousands of people and help install a brutal facist regime spanning an entire galaxy, that was the EBUL Emperor!
Either that, or he knew he didn't have a chance of taking on Sheev 1 v 1, but didn't want to admit that to Luke in case he'd look like a pussy.
Hey OP, as others have said Luke overpowered Vader. Vader faltered and fell against the railing. The choreography is spotty though as Prowse makes the fall look like a planned move instead of a natural motion.
He was still 80% of Sheev's power (this is Lucas canon). He got much weaker physically and lost a lot of his potential but he's still a very powerful force user, doing shit like choking other people from a huge distance.
>he thinks they're real movies
That's just precious, you need to be 18+ to post here though.
Many reasons for that.
He never got along with the jedi order.
The jedi were a militant order trained to fight and kill so leaving any younglings alive would mean they will come back to kill him at a later point.
In the new Empire there simply wasn't any place for them so killing them could also be an act of mercy (from Anakin's perspective) since they'd get hunted down. A mercy kill by his own hand might be preferable to a shitty life on the run only to be gunned down later on (since Anakin saw their demise as inevitable).
The power rush from becoming a Sith and going wild with his new power level clouded his judgment.
It was necessary to kill them in order to save Padme since Palpatine gave him no choice.
Lingering resentment from never really being a part of the younglings since he was introduced into the jedi order at an older age and always an outsider.
Probably all of the above.
The key to Anakin's salvation is his own family.
After losing Padme and brooding over it for decades he had a chance to redeem himself by saving Luke. He would never do that for anyone else.
He's incredibly powerful, he could BTFO any jedi we see, even mace windu or Yoda by the time we see him in the OT, but Sheev is dissapointed because he had the potential to be so much more
>he thinks of them as movies
See that's the thing, they're not even movies. They're just a collage of random scenes strung together in the misshapen form of a poorly pieced together story. They aren't actually movies and don't count as part of the real story. Otherwise any fan shit would count for before and after, the only thing that matters was the story they made when they made it. Original Trilogy was made with that set in mind and nothing else, that puts them in a story of their own. You won't understand these concepts until you're at least 18 though.
>NO ONE HAS POSTED THE WEBM OF THE FUCKING DUEL
>NO ONE HAS POSTED THE WEBM OF THE FUCKING DUEL
Vader just gives up out of fucking nowhere
>I'm going to put my fingers in my ears and sing until the bad thing goes away
Are they called Star Wars? Are they made by the creator of Star Wars with the intention that they form a part of one contiguous Star Wars story? Do they contain characters related to the original trilogy characters playing roles in a story related to the story of the original trilogy? then they're Star Wars films.
Gee I guess there was no possible way, good on you for finding such a big loophole.
>being too tired wouldn't make sense
he's three years older and pushing 60 with severe injuries. Boxers can be great one fight and shithouse a year later in the next. Might be the same, as well as him jobbing it
That's the best scene of the force from the OT for me. The idea that this guy wills it and someone so fucking far away just starts choking, or the mentality of the guy that got promoted. You're on a regular call with your boss' boss and suddenly your boss is being choked through the telephone and you're promoted.
I don't read underage bait
this post is like diarrhea
it's just sloppy writing and it should have been placed elsewhere in the film. Calm the fuck down.
Count Dooku, Yoda and the Emperor are all a lot older than him, it was entirely him giving up because he doesn't want to kill his son, Luke mentions earlier, "You couldn't bring yourself to kill me before and I don't think you will now" or something along those lines
Man, that was really good. It's amazing what good editing can do. Really makes the story more tragic and emotional.
Disappointed he didn't add Obi-Wan's "You were my brother, Anakin, I loved you." Always really liked that line; felt it was really impactful and emotional.
>my autistic hugbox isn't as pandering to my extended adolescence bullshit as it was last year and it's anyone's fault by my own regressive ass, the posts
Vader doesn't cry because he has no tears left.
He has spent 20+ years wracked with guilt, haunted by everyone he betrayed, tortured by the knowledge that his desperate efforts to save the person he loved most are exactly what killed her.
It's the new normal for him, and it's been the new normal for over two decades. He can't cry anymore because he is already dead inside.
>old crusted handicapped man stuck in a suit that keeps him from sleeping, almost tipping over, and irritating ill-fitting shoes loses to his perfectly healthy son
Vader is the real victim here
There are small bits of it which are fantastic, that bit where obi wan and anakin clash and grab each others arms as the lava in the background crashes upward and the music rises is fantastic, apparently a new hope was saved by editing and was a horrible mess before they edited it down
>Vader doesn't cry because he has no tears left.
>He has spent 20+ years wracked with guilt, haunted by everyone he betrayed, tortured by the knowledge that his desperate efforts to save the person he loved most are exactly what killed her.
>It's the new normal for him, and it's been the new normal for over two decades. He can't cry anymore because he is already dead inside.
Why is chimpout-Luke literally chopping at Vader's limply-held lightsaber when he could so easily just swing around/under it and disarm him that way? That's what looks the fakest to me
That is a bit too retarded for me to imagine, albeit hilarious.
>Ehem, look Sergeant this last mishap will cost me...dearly. If you would just tilt the camera to the left a wee tad when Vader rings that would be lovely.
>tfw no reboot of the prequels that makes them into films
Wait so this new book is canon but the other stuff isn't?
That part just says the pain fuels him, not that he gets Palpatine's special serum injected into him.
There's no doubt that it's augmented his physical strength, because they're fucking robot limbs.
But they're clumsy, because they're fucking robot limbs. Vader is a strong man but he is definitely not a fast or graceful one.
So he got robo legs and arms but not a robo dick? Please, palpy probably hooked him up with the Sheev-Shafter-6900, dudes probably stacked
the other hand is in his lap, he's clearly trying to remember Padmes tits but can't get past her goblin face
>palpy probably hooked him up with the Sheev-Shafter-6900, dudes probably stacked
He didn't know that the Emporer controlled his power supply. Sheev knew that all apprentices kill there masters, so he needed a fail safe. When Sheev saw how angry Luke was, he thought "Oh well I don't need Darth anymore" and cut off the life support.
>He's crazy powerful in the new canon too, he beats like a whole army by himself and shit
I prefer the old one where the suit is shit
It actually fits with the little bitch prequel Anakin
Here's how the new canon works:
The six films of the saga are canon, as is Star Wars: The Clone Wars (both the movie and the TV show). Nothing else released prior to April 2014 is canon. Films and TV shows released after that are canon.
Short stories released in Star Wars Insider from April 2014 onward are canon.
Novels released from September 2014 onward are canon, novels released before then are Legends.
Comic books released from January 2015 onward are canon, comics released before then are Legends. The lone exception is Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir, which is considered part of Star Wars: The Clone Wars because it is based on scripts from seasons that weren't finished.
Video games are in a murky position. Games released after April 2014 are canon, but none of them really have defined stories yet, so it's not clear what effect they really have on the canon other than introducing tech and characters. If we get a game with a real story, that might change.
The Old Republic is Legends, and is the only Legends material still in production.
yeah, but Vader has entire robotic limbs and is only alive through space magic and the fact that he's inside a big black dildo. Luke just has a robot hand. Obviously they're different
Legends is any and all non-canon material.
It's all still in print with the Legends label marking it as non-canon, because Disney likes money.
It's also considered fair game for writers to draw elements and characters and ideas from. So, for instance, Darth Revan or HK-47 could come back and be canon again, but KOTOR itself would still be non-canon.
>this dude exists
>vader still gets shit tier replacement parts
This is the guy who played vader in the suit and not the voice
"Prowse won the British heavyweight weightlifting championship in 1962 and the following two years. He represented England in the weightlifting event at the 1962 British Empire and Commonwealth Games in Perth, Western Australia."
The Emperor Palpatine Reconstructive Surgery Center, (or EPRSC for short) was low on funds and had crappy material to work with. And the robots shirked responsibility.
Originally, it pretty much was sanctioned fanfiction. Some writers wanted to continue the story in books, Lucas would never say no to free money, and everyone won.
The water was muddied when it became more than just lucas saying " 'k", but it was still essentially fanfiction until stated otherwise, and never really taken as canon in the first place outside of autists.
After the slate was purged, anything created post purge is canon on par with the movies
>they made his helmet extra shiny, hoping Palpatine wouldn't notice how much of a shitty job they'd done with the suit
Before Disney, there was a canon hierarchy. The idea was to keep having more Star Wars story content even though there weren't any new movies coming out. Everything from a certain tier upwards was canon, but if two works contradicted each other, the higher tier work superseded the lower tier one.
The tier system worked as follows:
G (George) tier -- The six movies of the saga.
T (Television) tier -- Star Wars: The Clone Wars. This tier was also supposed to include any future TV works, but none happened.
C (Canon) tier -- Most EU works. Conflicts between them would usually be resolved via an official retcon or other adjudication. Or, in some cases, just ignored.
S (Secondary) tier -- A holding cell for stuff that predates any effort to maintain a solid continuity. Stuff here would either be drafted into C tier through later references, or solidly contradicted and shoved down to...
N (Non-canon) tier -- Stuff that's been firmly shoved out of canon or was never supposed to be canon to begin with. Includes "what-if" stories and other stuff like that.
Lucas Licensing targeted its releases based on assumptions about the audience's familiarity with the canon. You're going to write something meant for people who've only seen the movies quite differently from how you'd write something for people who are familiar with the movies and the EU together.
>Everything from a certain tier upwards was canon, but if two works contradicted each other, the higher tier work superseded the lower tier one.
I think this is the simplest way of showing what a terrible mess the old EU was.
When something gets big enough, you need to organize it.
It'll happen to the new EU too, soon enough, just you wait. There's more of an effort in the new EU to keep works very standalone rather than trying to tell big continuing narratives, but we'll get there eventually.
They'll certainly have issues like characters being in two places at once accidentally, or getting names/details wrong, but I doubt we'll have anything like the clusterfuck of about 15 different people stealing the Death Star plans.
You got yourself caught.
Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Do you mean when the Falcon's hyperdrive was supposed to be disabled? In the new canon novel Lost Stars Vader kinda just stares off into space after the Falcon jumps to lightspeed then walks away. Never mentions anyone dying for the mistake.
>Although they successfully helped evacuate the city by rounding up the stormtroopers, the city soon fell to the Empire and Lobot was captured.
>financially disadvantaged wheel-chair bound amputee senior citizen with an oxygen tank at wal-mart
Vader was never really that powerful. He killed nearly all the Jedi before getting stuck into the suit, and he never really had to fight other Jedi one-on-one after that. Not long after Episode III, he walks into a room full of Jedi and tries to destroy them the way he did when he still had functioning lungs and all of his limbs, but ends up needing his clones to save him. Vader before the suit could have been the most powerful Sith ever, Vader with the suit is just another force user.
Luke is the first reasonably powerful Jedi Vader had ever had to fight while wearing the suit, so it's not surprising that he was caught completely off guard and fell down. Probably tripped over his own cape or something.
>Not long after Episode III, he walks into a room full of Jedi and tries to destroy them the way he did when he still had functioning lungs and all of his limbs, but ends up needing his clones to save him.
That story is no longer canon, your post is all old EU details. In Disney canon Vader is the second most powerful Sith Lord of all time.
>mother is kill
>flashback of Luke wiping Rey's memory and leaving her on Jakku
>Luke will train her in the next movie
>Luke will die
>We will get a Flashback of Ben Solo training under Luke and turning to the dark side
>"Finn" is the abducted son of Lando Calrissian
>Rey will lose a hand in the next movie since every main protagonist of a Star Wars trilogy ends up losing an arm in the second movie
>Kylo Ren will get a different mask design in every movie, making it more similar to Vader's mask
>the old dude that got killed in the first scene of the movie was Obi Wan's son
>Han Solo activated the lightsaber and killed himself, that's why Ben Solo thanked him
>Ben Solo won't stay a villain
>Maz will die
>R2D2 will die and it will be the most tragic death in the entire franchise
>Snoke is Darth Plagueis or has something to do with him
>obligatory force ghost scene with Qui-Gon, Obi Wan, Yoda, Anakin and Luke in Episode 9
The canon was always he was incredibly strong, Obi Wan states outright in A New Hope Vader hunted down and systematically destroyed the Jedi.
Even though the event you mentioned isn't canon anymore, Vader walking into a room with 8 jedi straight after episode 3 when he isn't used to the suit and hasn't learned how to use his power properly, and having none of them leave is still incredibly impressive.
>weak compared to a Jedi
That's not true. He curb-stomped Kanan.
>mother is kill
After delivering the plans of the Death Star