Is "Howl's Moving Castle" Miyazaki's weakest film?
I didn't enjoy this movie as much as I thought I would have. I thought the plot was a bit a boring and the Witch of the Waste was a really annoying character to me. All she did was turn Sophie into an old woman and not feel guilty for it. Not to mention, she picked up Calcifer when she wasn't supposed to and caused the castle to crash.
I did really like Turniphead though, I thought it was really funny to see him hopping around the entire movie.
I think it's pretty good if you realize it's more of a symbolic story about the concepts of beauty and vanity.
The Witch of the Wastes uses huge amounts of magic to change her appearance, but she's still disgusting. When she's an old woman, she's actually kind of sweet.
Sophie is changed into an old woman too. She doesn't mind though, because she isn't vain.
Howl dyes his hair, because of his insecurity and acts like a child when Sophie pours out his hair dye. He transforms into a beast to symbolism his evil and abuse of magic.
As a visual artist I still found things to enjoy in it, it's still a very beautiful looking movie. Also the soundtrack is one of Hisaishi's best.
But beyond that I think we can all agree it's pretty weak, by no means awful, just really bad by miyazaki standards.
Anyway, I'm glad I saw it.
Like, look at the fucking castle, it's fucking amazing.
>I can't really get into the older ones.
This, the artistry and the general feel of the movie made it very enjoyable. It's a very comfy film. The English dub was also particularly good.
I thought Ponyo was overall the worst film, it's the only one of his I've ever seen that I didn't enjoy after watching.
I've seen the movie but I don't remember anything from the plot really. That castle in the sky movie was way better. That and grave of the fireflies are my 2 favorite ghibli movies by far.
it was very "fairy tale"
his other movies have a very organic tone to them. even though they're fantastical, they still have a certain way of ending that makes it feel like a "true" story. like, they talk about having to rebuild at the end of mononoke, nausicaa doesn't fall in love with asbel, totoro barely even has a conclusive ending (which feels very true to life), etc
moving castle is very "and they all got kisses and lived happily ever after!! yaaay!" it suffered from being an adaptation of an already existing novel, you can tell that it was hard to condense all of the story, especially the conclusion, and still have it be the story miyazaki wanted to tell.
really, you liked turnip head? he was the cheapest part of the story. deus ex machina to make the war go away and the ending even more unrealistic and fairy tale happy
Don't mind me just taking out the garbage
correct. it's a studio ghibli film, but miyazaki had nothing to do with it. miyazaki was working on totoro at the time, and the two films were actually originally released as a double feature
i think this was the first miyazaki movie i saw (the dub). i don't like watching dubs because i can't tell if i just didn;t like the dub or if i didn't like the movie at all.
anyway yeah it's ok but definitely the worst of the studio ghibli stuff i've seen. it doesn't really take the time to develop any of the themes it introduces and there is nothing rewarding about it.
apparently it was by Isao Takahata. I still liked it more than most of the Ghibli movies I've seen. I watched totoro and spirited away twice, and even after the second time I honestly still don't get why everyone liked them so much....
I thought it was a okay movie. It's a shit adaptation, but it was a okay movie. The part where Sophie and the Witch were climbing the stairs had me laughing..
I've never really cared that much for Miyazaki's stuff though.
It's better than Ponyo or Totoro
I don't understand the love for Totoro, other than it being a fairly iconic design of a creature
Both Ponyo and Totoro are too much just children's films imo
I've never had to actually defend Spirited Away in an argument about quality so I'm really not sure how to answer this to be honest.
The character development in SA was handled very well, the story was wrapped up nicely without the usual "finalness" that is common to children/family movies, the score and visuals were both amazing, the world was fun and imaginative, and the themes, while not being particularly deep or complicated, were also presented well.
I don't like to use the phrase "heartwarming" to describe works of art, but I think in the case of Spirited Away it is certainly an appropriate descriptor.
Has good art, good music, good voice acting, simple but charming story BUT it has am awful ending. It just ends in a very anti-climatic way like seriously it needs to be study as "how not to structure a story" because I think l've never seen a big film with a more anti-climatic ending.
I dont know if it was meant to be 20 minutes longer but they ran out of money and had to cut or something but holy shit it hurts the picture so much...
Kiki, Kaguya, Mononoke, and Totoro all had better music than Howl.
How could someone like a movie so devoid of character and development? So many meandering scenes and nonsensical character actions are present in the film. And the ending is absolutely horrible.
Nausicaa is only technically great (for its time). Otherwise, it's just myriad of cliches, weak characters and story, and its imagery suggests nothing beyond the superficial, which is even explained to you as if you were an idiot. A mediocre movie that lacks actual imagination. Even the score isn't good.
I don't really disagree with anything you said. It was a solid movie, but I just didn't think it was as engaging as people think it was. I did enjoy it though, one of my favorite ghibli movies thats for sure.
Now totoro I really can't make that case for. I seriously have no fucking clue how people can say that movie was anything other than "meh"
miyazaki had nothing to do with only yesterday, so. yeah. not relevant to the thread.
also, it's obscure because it was the only theatrical Studio Ghibli feature not yet released on home video in the United States or Canada. it's going to be released in american theaters this year
No fucking shit it's his worst. It's based on an American YA Novel which is stunningly mediocre. It's got plenty of good ideas but you're a shit eating pleb if you think this is a good movie, let alone a good miyazaki movie. It's loads better than the novel and it's still a pile of shit.
Porco Rosso is my favorite even though it's by no means the "best" Miyazaki film. Seriously it's just a fun movie to watch.
>I'm about to graduate film school
wow you just invalidated your comment before you even made it
come back and give your opinion when you're somebody worth listening to like a doctor or an engineer or a lawyer :)
>Can't really be compared.
They are definitely totally different movies, but still just from public opinion it seems like kikis is constantly near the top of lots of peoples "favorite" lists. Kikis bored me to death.
they're different movies because they were directed by different people.
in the context of this thread, they aren't comparable and only yesterday isn't even relevant, miyazaki didn't direct it.
more people like kiki because it got an american release. after only yesterday is released in america this year, maybe that will change
hmm. I must have watched the Japaneses sub. still I can't imagine this film does very well in it's release here. Even though it really is good.
I love that movie because it's beautiful and has great music and fun characters, but the plot is all over the place and ties it up too quickly.
Both Ponyo and Howl are super interesting because they are bad films that are still strong examples of great filmmaking.
christ, nobody in this thread knows how to use google.
North America – The film remains the only theatrical Studio Ghibli feature not yet released on home video in the United States or Canada, although a subtitled version of the film was aired on Turner Classic Movies in January 2006, as part of the channel's month-long salute to Miyazaki and Ghibli. The film's home video release and distribution rights in North America belong to Disney. GKIDS announced in 2015 that it will release the film in theaters in North America in 2016 along with an English dub, with actors Daisy Ridley, Dev Patel, Ashley Eckstein and Alison Fernandez confirmed to lend their voices.
It is scheduled for release January 1, 2016 in New York City and nationwide in the United States on February 26, 2016. 
you still didn't actually state a reason why.
>yfw you read the nausicaa manga and the movie only represents the first 1.5 volumes of a 7 volume series and it keeps going
why would i google when I could bump a dying thread with random questions?
Is no one gonna mention this one?
one of my personal favs
I think a lot of Ponyo's problem is that it has the least number of things "for adults" compared to all of Miyazaki's other explicitly kid movies. There isn't as much...I don't know..."original" cuteness in Ponyo as in something like Totoro or raw imagination as something like Spirited Away. It just doesn't have the wonder of all of Miyazaki's other fare, and if Miyazaki is known for anything it's the sense of wonder that his films convey.
I actually had a conversation with somebody last night about this movie, and Ashitaka in particular. We think that he was more of a driving force than an actual character, he didn't have an arc to develop into, but rather the world came to fit his goals.
It's still probably my favourite Ghibli, but I don't think Ashitaka was the greatest protag.
I grew up with it. I was raised on it from birth. It's a beautiful film, and I respect that it comes off as more mature than other kids films, but I agree that the plot is nothing special. However, I can still enjoy it immensely from the nostalgia factor alone.
one thing that Miyazaki does with Ponyo that I love is that he portrays the positives of natural disasters. We (justifiably) focus on death and destruction with tornadoes and floods and tsunamis, but these also create a natural beauty within the places they attack and bring communities together as they rebuild.
It's indirectly sadistic to have this point of view, but it's just so fucking interesting to see it explored in a movie made for toddlers like this.
Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke
Kiki's delivery service, My Neighbor Totoro, Whisper of the heart, Howl's moving castle
Porco Rosso, Castle in the sky, Ponyo on a cliff by the sea, The Borrower Arrietty
>Not even that good tier:
Nausicaä of the valley of the wind (the manga is far superior), The Wind Rises, Up on Poppy Hill, Tales from Earth Sea
Only a total fucking retard would think Mononoke is anywhere near his weakest film. It's debatable on whether or not it's his best, certainly, but you would have to be a special brand of idiot to honestly argue it was anywhere near the bottom.
There's nothing wrong with a character being a driving force in the movie when it's executed correctly. Ashitaka still had a personal struggle unique to his character compared to everyone else's, and one of the best parts is that even though he was in the common role as the sole voice of balance in between two warring sides of excess, his reason for being so was tied directly into the story instead of just being some generic "dude we are the world let's all hold hands just because it's the right thing to do" bullshit that usually gets foisted on to characters who serve the same role in other stories.