THERE ARE CURRENTLY 0 GUNS ON MARS LETS START OVER WITH A MORE

>>64737268
People kill people.

>>64737268
>it's a "science man got early dementia" episode

You know what really kills? The laws of physics.
We need to ban F=m*a

>>64739495
science is amazing

Small piece of metal ain't the problem. It's organ failure or blood loss that kills you.

>>64737268
Why do people idolize black science man so much? Is it because if you say you like him it means you like a black guy and that you FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE?

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>>64739544
>you killed this man!
>no, I shot him. The fall killed him

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>it's a "reddit tier meme scientist gives their political opinion" episode

>>64739544
if we were all invincible supermen guns wouldnt even be a problem
but where is the congress lobbying for that?
my government doesnt represent MY CAUSES

>>64737268

Proof that you can be brilliant in one area and totally fucking retarded in another.

>>64737268
Is he actually a scientist or is he just in it for memes?

>>64737268
There are also no people on Mars. They also aren't eating other people in order to stay alive.

>>64739544
kek

>>64739683
He's got a PhD, which is a lot more than Bill Nye

>>64739638
better than "reddit tier meme scientist gives their opinion on social event or entertainment" episodes desu

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what alien planet do you guys want to live on?

i've always thought virmire was really cool despite what happened there

>>64739749
Affirmative action

>>64737268
Carl Sagan was the original OG. You just a busta Kneel on the Grass Byson.

>>64739688
>there are no people on Mars

Baaa baaa

>>64737268
0 guns on mars, 0 school shootings. Coincidence?

>>64739880
Seriously though, we should have been there by now.

I agree we need to start over when we go to Mars. I propose:

>no niggers

>>64737268
>LETS START OVER WITH A MORE PEACEFUL VERSION OF MANKIND

You know this is not a bad idea, we just have to decide if we want to ship the blacks and Muslims to Mars or if we want to move to Mars and leave them here on earth.

>>64739883
also 0 niggers . see a pattern?

>>64739551

>Why do people idolize black science man so much?

Literally because he is black and scientifically literate.

That is ALL it takes to be a celebrity at this point.

Remind this guy costs between 150000-300000 to book, upwards of 500000 if it's outside America.

That's right, half a mil for a meme scientist.

>>64740014
:^)

Lets send him to mars first. See how he likes it.

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>>64737268

>Bullets kill people.

So do cars. In far greater numbers than bullets.

I don't see anyone trying to ban those.

>>64737268

YES! WE NEED TO RID OURSELVES OF THOSE KINE...GUNS WHEN WE GO TO SJFS..MARS!

THERE'S NO NEED FOR WEAPONS THAT COULD HURT U..YOU THERE!

PEACE FOR ALL!

>>64740062

>Remind this guy costs between 150000-300000 to book, upwards of 500000 if it's outside America.

And then he pretends that all he cares about is "educating people".

>>64740088
Neil has been staring at the sky for too long he doesn't know what he's saying.

>>64737268
Physics is a dead field.

>>64740246
>Physics is a dead field.
Go jump off a cliff.

>>64737268
Technically it is the energy that travels with the bullet that destroys your organs.

>>64740246

Anon this guy is basically physics high-school dropout cousin. Don't let him make you hate physics

Guns that were made by science and scientists.

Kill all scientists. Burn all science books.

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>>64740119
way to take the bait, reddit

>>64739917
Why the fuck would we ever want to go to mars. Go to venus if anything.

>le nigger scientist man

literally who?

>>64737268
Doesn't this dude make up quotes like no tomorrow?

>>64737268
I wish someone would kill that meme scientist.

>>64740088
Does americans really that shitty drivers?

>>64741845
What do you expect? Half of that is probably fat people dying because of heart attacks and then driving into incoming traffic.

>>64739495
eh euphoric!

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>>64737268
>Bill Nye is now a shill for the Warmer movement
>Niel deGrasse Tyson is a gun grabber

All my favorite fake scientists from my childhood are jumping the shark now it seems. What's next, is Beakman going to be a spokesman for Planned Parenthood?

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>>64739580
>I didn't throw him. He fell.

>>64742103
>favourite scientist
That is where you went wrong mate.
The only place in the world where being an underground hipster is acceptable is science. Because a real scientist is doing research, not interviews.

>>64742103
From what I heard he's not even a scientist. Never was. Just some guy with a bachelor's in Engineering that gained some minor fame making kiddy shows.

>>64741676
he has a phd in astrophysics therefore he is intelligent in all matters

>>64737268
>niggers can throw spears further

Gun problem solved

>>64737386
Manalapan mandame borrow her bday human a Pandora tomorrow so remember that thing be thinking of filming but I won by Linda's mom and my broken Binghamton.

>>64739831
Looks like Thailand

>>64741845
>>64741933
>I don't understand what "population" means

>>64742238
I said favorite fake scientists. I always knew that Bill Nye was an entertainer and not a real scientist, but I none the less loved his show when I was a kid.

i like that idea. when i die, i hope to be reborn a martian of equal standing.

>>64742568
When you die you die, though.

is science nigger literally reddit: the scientist or does that title go to bill nye?

>>64742553
Huh. Apparenty I can't read for shit without my glasses. Really need to get them fixed, sorry mate.
Still, maybe it's because Bill Nye type stuff was never a thing where I'm from, but it just seems weird as hell to have these "fake scientists".
I'll always prefer Maestro. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfnLa4B-Pbg

>>64742568
so a beta virgin martian?

>>64742625
they are two sides to the same coin.

>>64739831
>not Thessia

It's like you enjoy being /virgin/

>>64742590
Your soul doesn't die. It goes to Heaven to live in paradise for the rest of eternity...Unless you're a fedora tipping heathen.

Oh hey /pol/ so what do you think about-

wait, this isn't /pol/, this is /tv. Where's the television and film? You people must be confused, this isn't the politics board. It's okay, people make mistakes, I'll ask the mods to delete your thread for you. Don't thank me, just making /tv/ a better place for everyone.

>>64742699
And by their powers combined...

Neil DeGrasse Tyson is just mad Michio Kaku is much smarter than him.

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>>64737268

>>64737268
As a graduate physics student I always got the impression that Neil didn't really know what he was talking about. That average guy who watches Cosmos and comes into work the next day talking about scientific concepts he saw on tv, that's what Neil reminds me of.

>>64742590

seems acceptable
palatable
blissful and peaceful

>>64742659

yes, i will continue being reborn until i am alpha centurion

>>64740088
Because cars serve a purpose other than killing things?

>>64743085
>Anon keeps getting reborn
>Is reborn as closest star
>Goes supernova
>Sets us free

>>64743527
Guns can be used for all kinds of target shooting

>>64739683


He has a phd but has contributed nothing

>>64744246
He was one of the biggest advocates for booting Pluto out of planet status.

>>64742296
even rowan atkinson has a masters in engineering and more educated than him

That statement actually sounds anti-gun control. He's blaming the government for not taking care of peoples' mental health

>>64742103
and this is why you should never be emotionally invested in people you don't actually know

>mfw I find out based Chris Evans is actually a fag-enabling liberal

>>64744246

He's published at least 13 scientific papers, and has written 12 books.

How many papers and books have you written?

>>64746449
>How many papers and books have you written?
nice ad-hominem

And the shit that he published means jackshit, he is obviously knowledgeable about the science. But he is more of an educator than a scientist.

IT THERE LIFE ON MAAAARRRSSSSSS?

>is black, has some kind of phd and was friends with carl sagan
>this means his political opinions are fact

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>>64742103
>warmer movement

>>64742296
>from what I heard.
you know wikipedia exists right?

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>>64737386
yes, and guns make it hillariously easy

>>64746449
>He's published at least 13 scientific papers, and has written 12 books.
Thats almost as many as Richard Dawkins!

>>64740088
guns are literally made for killing, cars for transportation. you could go ahead and make your license harder, the american one is a fucking joke

>>64743527
It's pretty handy to have something that can kill something that's trying to do you harm.

>>64747109
And cars are STILL more dangerous than guns, because so many people use them everyday in proximity to other vehicles and pedestrians. The overwhelming percentage of firearms are operated in safe environments by sensible owners.
Comparing guns to cars is retarded for both parties, really.

>>64747200
the thing is our society would probably colapse without cars which includes trucks and busses. it can do just fine without the private sector owning guns

>>64747120
well if someone wants to do you harm and that person owns a gun, a gun won't protect you. all he has to do is not come directly at you and empty his clip in your body

>>64747261
You could say the same with a knife or lead pipe. I'd personally like a fighting chance regardless of how slim it may be.

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>>64737268
>guns dont kill people
Guy was bludgeoned to death with revolutionary war musket replica in my neighborhood few years back.
Tell that to him.

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>>64747261
>clip

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>>64747691
Broomhandle mausers are a criminals weapon of choice. Look at that scary pistol grip and detachable stock!

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>>64747354

>>64740088
i would like to ban cars in addition to banning guns
it's pretty clear people aren't capable of handling either
furthermore, cars encourage people to design the shittiest living environments that the world has ever seen

>>64747224
Society would do great without movie, cinema, flicks, 4chan, or you. What kind of retarded argument is that.

>>64747224
Retard. Just a complete and utter retard... You think cars were around forever? People can walk and ride bikes or horses. Sure fatsos like you might be boned, but normal somewhat healthy people would find a way to make it work. As for guns, we'd just go back to using swords and bows and violence would be way more brutal but still very prevalent.

>>64737268
Designed by engineers and scientists :^)

>>64748004
You would still be emptying the magazine senpai.

>>64740088
You are now aware that a nationwide 25mph speed limit would save tens, if not, hundreds of thousands of lives.

If you care about the lives of children, you'll willingly let the government install a governor on your engine and submit to gps tracking for speed compliance.

Anything less is your personal moral failing and complicity in child death.

>>64748154
well played, senor
>funded by governments or private corporations

>>64746449
>how many papers have you written
Like a thousand. Fuck school.

>>64743527

Guns are for target shooting.
Guns are for self-defence.
Guns are used for hunting.
Guns are used to protect the First Amendment.

>>64737268
Fuck I hate nigger science man so god damn much.

So, everybody started shitting on him minutes after he said stuff about the new Star Wars, what a fun coincidence.

Gun control advocates will never get rid of guns. Get over it.

>>64744519
Alright now I like this guy, fuck Pluto.

Next stop Mercury.

>>64748344
All those uses are just variations of "deadly force at the palm of your hands."

Christ Americans are stupid.

>>64748781
why are Europeans so proud to be neutered?

Has their cuck fetish gone too far?

Find out next week on the next episode of "Muslim Rape Gangs!"

>>64748844
Oh look, another Amerishit being stupid.

Big fucking surprise.

>>64748864
How's your sister doing? You can use tomato juice to get the smell off of her.

>>64748844
>Taking about cucked europe
>you president is a nigger

Kekeke, jelly about guns anyway.

>>64737268
I'm sure de nigson would approve if everybody wanted to ban science because it caused deaths at some point

>>64749206
The president is a well educated christian mulatto, not an unemployed syrian male with no qualifications.

I think there's a discernible difference.

>>64737268
LOL Niel sounds like Jayden Smith.

Atheists, not even once.

>>64749262
He is a negro.
A muslim kenian negro. And he'll get your guns.

>>64742625
Bill Nye is just as shitty but he's white so we give him a tiny bit of respect.

>>64741845
Does your English really that shitty?

>>64749322
>And he'll get your guns

One can only hope.

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>>64737268
Yeah, I'm going to listen to "gun sense" from a guy who doesn't know what an assault rifle is.

I love how scientists think that because they understand one field of science, they are now authorities on ALL subjects. Fucking narcissistic cunts. And stupid, too.

>ban guns
>guns are now illegal
>criminals don't obey the law
>continue to have guns anyway

>>64751730
Nigger, you feel the need to rant about shit on 4Chan, and who's to say you're educated in any field? Why nag on a guy who's educated and has a following giving his opinions about everything on social media like every other fuck out there?

>>64751730
You seem to have an inferiority complex.

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It's a Neil deGrasse Tyson talks about a film tweet

>>64751730
Facts about guns is not a science nor is it useful knowledge. It's not something your smart at, it's more like knowing comic book history or the many different fetishes of porn

>>64740007
>implying it isn't the proles who start shit

Never saw a middle-class black chimp out, but I see a lot of proles who aren't black do.

There are more guns in America than there are stars in the solar system.

>>64752192
thats true though

>>64752192

Yeah I heard that too. There are more bullets in those guns than grains of sand on the beach too.

America. Not even once.

>>64748082
>>64747109
>>64748219
>eurocucks detected

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>>64751890
>>64752041
And yet neither of you can tell me how I am wrong. Three sentences is apparently a rant, btw.

>>64752104
It's facts. Literal truth.

And he's literally lying about it.

It's amazing how eager you guys are to brainwash yourselves. You're basically Christians.

>>64748219
>If you care about the lives of children, you'll willingly let the government install a governor on your engine and submit to gps tracking for speed compliance.
literally nothing wrong with this.

>>64752293
I'm actually a Muslim and I'm leaving the thread before you can reply. So take that!

>>64747081
You say that, but I've seen so many motherfuckers survive gunshots wounds it's ridiculous.

>>64752367
You're still here.

>>64748083
>those things can kill people

Son, you dropped out at middle school, didn't you?

>>64751890
>Why nag on a guy who's educated and has a following giving his opinions about everything on social media like every other fuck out there?
Because whole droves of fucktards look up to people like him but don't realise that PhDs can have shitty opinions too.

>>64752368
I fucking bet you have m8, over 300 confirmed kills too? fuck off

>>64737268
>run into aliens
>get buttblasted cause we have no weapons

>Not just jumping out of the way when you're shot
If you can't figure this out then you're too stupid to live in the first place.

>>64737268
being a nigger is bound to get you killed a lot faster then anyone owning a gun

>>64752646
Never shot anybody, just showed up after somebody else did.

>>64743527
so do guns
>restoration
>collection
>historical reenactments
>gun smiths
>animal control/farming

Food for thought: if guns were the problem with school shootings, how come school shootings only started long after people had guns?

Before Columbine, this stuff virtually never happened, despite the fact that people had the same amount of guns.

Checkmate.

>gun stats, 99.9% of reported deaths are suicide, people who use these stats don't tell you about that little detail

>>64747261
>a gun won't protect you
what if you shoot back at said person trying to hurt you? That seems like a good way to save yourself
>no, just stand their and hope he misses a lot and goes home

>>64752873
how is gun smithing a purpose that guns serve? how fucking retarded are you?

>>64752924
>I hate people having employment

fuck you my dad is a gunsmith

>>64752900
>virtually never happened
what is the bath school bombing? and further note
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Hebei_tractor_rampage
people suck sometimes, you'll never make that stop and you'll never make something just vanish with laws. Welcome to the real world, people can kill you for any reason with anything if you end up on the business end of their bad day. If you cant handle that then stay inside and have your mom cook you hot pockets

>>64739580
But why would you shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane?

>>64752924
keeps them working and refined for the other purposes that I mentioned. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong

>>64747081
yes. but it's impossible to ban guns, so you need guns to protect yourself from guns.

>>64752670
This is a what Americans are afraid of

>>64752990
>what is the bath school bombing?

It's a bombing. It's one event. School-shootings currently happen at the rate of one PER WEEK.

Count'em, nigga. The problem CLEARLY isn't about guns, it's mental health all the way.

Plenty of other countries have more guns than the US but they also have mental health.

>>64752900
about two thirds of gun deaths are suicide

>>64752336
Then why won't anyone vote for it?

You aren't willing to sacrifice comfort. Same with the whole "save the chillun!" line. More children drown in pools as are killing using guns. This is a fact. Yet no one is ever going to vote to ban "high capacity pools" where the water line must be 3' or lower.

369 children were killed by injury from firearms (of all types) in 2010 according to the CDC. This includes suicides and accidents.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

390 kids drown in pools each year.
http://www.abc15.com/news/national/390-kids-drown-in-us-pools-each-year-reports-find

So anyone who says they want to ban your right to defend yourself to "save the children" is full of shit. Because he's happy to ban your right, but would never stand to have his luxury banned even though it kills about the same number of children.

Right about now is when some idiot will say "but guns are MADE for killing! Pools aren't!"

How is this an argument in FAVOR of your position? It works against you. Here we have guns, weapons that we have a constitutional right to because we have a right to defend ourselves (and resist tyranny, which was the original motive). And yet, your luxury kills more people than something that was "designed to kill". Sounds like you are being pretty fucking irresponsible.

Pools and guns kill about the same number of kids per year. Now, guns, in addition to being used for restoration, collection, historical reenactments, animal control/farming, hunting, target shooting, sporting clays, are used for defending your life. And the CDC recognizes that the use of the gun is the most effective way to protect yourself from harm against a criminal.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2013/06/handguns_suicides_mass_shootings_deaths_and_self_defense_findings_from_a.html

>>64753196
There is no correlation, world-wide, between guns and homicide rates. This is why places like Russia have a gun ownership rate of 8.9 per 100 people (compared to the US's 112.6), yet the homicide rate in Russia is four times as great as America's.

>>64753196
there was shooting that took place during the bombing, Andrew Kehoe used a rifle also
don't buy into the media hype friend, Im not saying its a gun problem either, im saying its a media problem. They hype it up to scare people and come close to outright lying to get people to watch them

>>64740088
>there are actually some heavily opinionated gun owners that want driving to be heavily regulated and controlled

Fucking hypocrites. The world isn't a safe place. You either ban everything unsafe or keep shit that's already here.

>>64742103
>having a problem with abortion and fetus harvesting

What a fucking pussy. Didn't realize /tv/ was full of double standardizing pussies.

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>>64743527
>Cars, designed solely for getting you from point A to point B kill more people annually than a device specifically used to "kill"

wew lad

>>64753477
>being this stupid

Do you really think that wasn't a parody of anti-gunners? That posters is a modified version of an anti-gun poster.

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>>64753601
>mfw people would have no problem with a new line of toys that killed 369 children per year
>because "it wasn't designed to"

But he's right, I don't wanna sound like a gun hating liberal but what do guns actually do for us?

I mean sure there's some legitimate uses for them like hunting for sport or target shooting, but there's like a tiny % of gun owners who do that. The majority of gun owners own a gun primarily because they're gonna shoot someone with it if they feel their life is in danger. A lot of the reasons people cite for owning a gun boil down to "well what if that guy shoots me with his gun?" which is fair but if you just removed all those guns from the equation then a huge amount of people would no longer feel the need to own a gun.

I could go on all night but my point is this: Why not spend the money spent on guns and the military and defence on actual productive things like space travel? An eye for an eye is such a backwards retarded way for a species to carry on. Oh well, it's not like people will ever stop being selfish long enough to actually advance the species anyway.

>>64752941
>>64753016
No, it's not "wrong" it's just fucking stupid. you can't say that the construction and maintenance of a thing is a purpose of the thing. That's fucking backwards retard. Would you say that the purpose of a building is to employ construction workers? No, because that's fucking dumb. THe purpose of the building is whatever you do with it when it's finished.

>>64737268
for a 'genius' he sure does tweet a lot of stupid fucking stuff

>>64753764
>what do guns actually do for us?

Provide defense: for the weak, for the outnumbered, for the crippled.

Provide recreation: bullseye, action, 3 gun, trap, skeet, biathalon, long range, short range

Provide food: deer, elk, pig, birds

Protect livestock: coyote, wolf, feral dogs

You're clueless about firearms, just like Tyson.

>>64753642
I've legitimately heard prideful gun owning people complain about how they were almost killed in car accidents and talk at length about how driving should be heavily regulated.

>>64753890
>Provide defense: for the weak, for the outnumbered, for the crippled.
Defence from what? People with guns?

>Provide recreation: bullseye, action, 3 gun, trap, skeet, biathalon, long range, short range
So make a law saying you have to lock the guns up at the shooting range, you don't need to bring them home with you.

>Provide food: deer, elk, pig, birds
Supermarkets and butchers. The % of gun owners who hunt to live is really fucking small.

>Protect livestock: coyote, wolf, feral dogs
Again, only a tiny amount of gun owners do that.

>You're clueless about firearms, just like Tyson.
No, you just like guns and you don't wanna admit they're far more numerous than they have any need to be. How pigheaded can you be to choose spending money killing sandniggers for oil over exploring space? And yes, it is that simple a choice.

>>64753764

try living in a hostile hoodrat-infested environment and then tell me about how you wouldn't like to own a gun.

also

>le why can't we just spend on le science xdd

come back in 4 years when you're not 16

>>64753995
>Defence from what? People with guns?
people who'd get guns off the street. makes no difference to them whether there are gun laws or not.

>>64753797
so, people like mechanics, contractors, electricians, or engineers don't matter? Even thought they are directly responsible for maintaining the upkeep of finished products? Im just curious because if you truly believe that im not going to bother this back and forth game with a dipshit

>>64753995
>Defence from what? People with guns?
People. You can die from one punch.

>>64754026
>try living in a hostile hoodrat-infested environment and then tell me about how you wouldn't like to own a gun.

Perhaps it wouldn't be so scary if they didn't have guns.

>>64753764
>Why not spend the money spent on guns and the military and defence on actual productive things like space travel?
Because other countries/people will see it as a perfect chance to fuck eachother over.

>nigger sees house unarmed
>can now fearlessly stage a home invasion
>Palestine sees Israel disarm
>proceeds to vengefully fuck it in to the ground
See what happens when the US tries to launch space program after dismantling its military. That several billion dollar launchpad and rocket are now prime targets for an airstrike that will make all that money spent meaningless.

People are shitty and need the means to protect themselves from shittier people. The word isn't this perfect utopia held back only by firearms.

>>64754134
Punching people is illegal too, dummy.

>>64753764
>I mean sure there's some legitimate uses for them like hunting for sport or target shooting, but there's like a tiny % of gun owners who do that. The majority of gun owners own a gun primarily because they're gonna shoot someone with it if they feel their life is in danger. A lot of the reasons people cite for owning a gun boil down to "well what if that guy shoots me with his gun?" which is fair but if you just removed all those guns from the equation then a huge amount of people would no longer feel the need to own a gun.

This is bullshit. First of all, most gun are long-guns. This means rifles and shotguns. No one goes around carrying rifles and shotguns for everyday protection. So you argument is a lie from the start. Try looking up actual facts. I know you anti-gunners hate that, but the truth is important.

Also, defensive gun uses outnumber criminal uses. This is another fact.

Lastly, the idea that criminals will turn in their guns/not be able to get guns is hilarious. This country has the highest gun ownership rate in the world. There are more guns in this country than any other. You really think you can confiscate all those?

Second, guns get illegally imported. All the time. We can't stop HUMANS from getting smuggled across the border, but you think we stop guns from getting smuggled? Hilarious.

>I could go on all night but my point is this: Why not spend the money spent on guns and the military and defense on actual productive things like space travel? An eye for an eye is such a backwards retarded way for a species to carry on. Oh well, it's not like people will ever stop being selfish long enough to actually advance the species anyway.

And here we have it. People who don't understand reality, because they prefer to live in an ideological bubble of self-righteousness.

Yes, lets get rid of the military? What the hell did we ever need that for, anyway? Let's use tax dollars on space travel!

>>64754142

you're right! let's ignore the fact that their firearms are unregistered and purchased from a black market and take away guns from responsible citizens!

>>64743527
>>64747109

>durrrr hurrrr, but guns are MADE for le killing people!

What kind of argument is this? What the fuck does it matter what a device was made for?
Cars STILL murder more people than guns ever have. So much for things serving their purpose.

Do gun-grabbers really think this is an argument?

>>64753995
>How pigheaded can you be to choose spending money killing sandniggers for oil over exploring space?
Guess what that oil gets used for, genius?

>>64753979
I doubt it. I am a gun owner. I got to the range at least once a month. No one has ever said anything like that.

>>64754200
If all firearms were illegal it would be pretty easy to arrest anyone caught possessing one.

>>64754193
Because defense is not a right, but space exploration is an obligation! And by the way, if you're going to quote the Law Code of Hammurabi, at least get it right: "en eye for an eye" was a LIMIT to justice. Before then, people would escalate to WARS over shit like stealing cattle. An eye for an eye created order, because it ended escalation. And finally, do you REALLY think anyone is so fucking stupid as to fall for this? That an eye for an eye has ANYTHING to do with defense? You're talking about this like it's revenge. If someone is mugging me, you want me to give them what they want. And just HOPE that all they want is all my valuables. And what if someone is killing indiscriminantly as you anti-gunners like to pretend happens all the time? What then? Do you really think people own guns so that they can go HUNT people who have wronged them you fucking idiot? Guns are there to stop them from harming you in the first place. You think criminals have the right to mug us without having to fear death. Even though that means we know have to fear death from them. Not us. We think that when you threaten someone's life, that person has a right to protect their life. If you don't have the right to your own right, what the fuck do you have?

>>64753797
its not the purpose of it, but its still an offshoot of its intended purpose, which means employment for some people and the well being of other jobs. You asked what good a gun can do other than killing, I named off a few (the rest of which You haven't denied so we'll call that a win on my account)

>>64754084
And yet places like the UK where guns are banned don't have that problem. You don't get a mugger pulling a gun on you in the UK. Yes, some criminals manage to get their hands on one but they always go for big scores like jewelers not random people on the street and even then most of the time the guns are replicas that'd explode in their hand if they actually tried firing them.

Banning guns works, yeah some people will still die from criminals but it's way fucking less than the people who'd die if everyone had a gun.

>>64754026
I HAVE lived in a hoodrat infested environment and none of them ever carried guns. You use common sense:

>Don't go out alone late at night
>Don't go wandering alone into places you know gangs hang out
>Keep your head down and mind your own business

I never got any shit from anyone, for home defence you keep a baseball bat or a metal pipe beside your bed like everyone else does. Guns are a waste of fucking resources, it'd be way more productive to focus on science, medicine and other productive shit. This isn't being naive, this is just people who grew up with guns throwing their toys out of the pram when someone tries to take them away.

>>64754230

how do you figure that? sound like grade-A damage control...

>>64754209
How about you pay them for their oil instead of killing them and stealing it genius?

>>64753995
>Defence from what? People with guns?

People with guns, stronger people, multiple people, people with knives, bludgeons, or whatever.

Do you think we should take away the right to drive because some people drive recklessly, or drunk, and maim and kill people?

No?

Then why do you blame guns?

>No, you just like guns...

And?

I like driving, too, but I don't believe YOUR car should be taken from you just because some people drive like idiots.

>>64753196

>School-shootings currently happen at the rate of one PER WEEK.

Liberals literally pulling numbers out of their ass to prove a point.

>>64754324
How about YOU pay for it and tell me how it goes.

>>64754324

one would imagine that was tried beforehand...

My dream is that a hostile Muslim army invades the United States and the armed forces are rendered unable to mobilize due to some sneak terrorist attack, and then the invaders are all destroyed almost instantly by civilians with guns.

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>>64739495
I fucking love science

>>64753995
people with
>guns
>knives
>baseball bats
>hammers
>a desire to rape and kills people

>leave them at the range
you don't NEED to take a care home, just leave it at the dealership

>supermarkets and butchers
overpriced and filled with chemicals, plenty of people kill and cook what they eat. Iid like some numbers on how many you think there are, and even then we should just make them change their life ways because yours scared on guns?

>only a few protect livestock
again, define a few. ranchers and farmers everywhere including laces that have shit gun laws like England need to protect their livelihood from predators. What the fuck makes you so high and mighty and can tell them no
Youre just a sheltered suburban brat that think your life is the only right way of living. Get outside once and a while and see how others live

>>64754152
>Because other countries/people will see it as a perfect chance to fuck eachother over.

Which is why they'd obviously have to agree to get rid of their guns too. We're all one species, fighting amongst ourselves for the next million years is a really retarded plan.

>Nigger see's house unarmed
>Gets clocked round the head by a baseball bat when he's stupid enough to try and break in

>Palestine sees Israel disarm
>They blow each other up and good fucking riddance

The world is half as shitty as it is because every generation inherits this archaic belief of "that tribe will kill us unless we show them we can kill them". It worked back when we actually lived in tribes but it's counterproductive now. We gain nothing from it.

Kek. America has already banned smoking in public, most "hard" drugs, unsafe driving habits, and a shit ton of other things. Basically if something looks dangerous it will be neutered. With guns it's only a matter of when it will happen, but it will probably happen soon.

>>64754472
Shit migga indidnt think you were in here trying to start world peace. You should screencap your rants and email them to politicians who give a fuck and are less likely to call you an unrealistic faggot.

>>64754264
>You asked what good a gun can do
Not everybody who responds to you is the same person idiot

>>64754209
Not for space, rocket fuel isn't petroleum based you dumb cocksucker.

>>64754472
>We're all one species, fighting amongst ourselves for the next million years is a really retarded plan.

Worked for every other species.

>>64754538
>America has already banned smoking in public,

Wait, we did? Then why do I always see people smoking in public?

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>>64737268
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC03hmS1Brk
>mfw

>>64754472
>We gain nothing from it

Except for not getting killed. Those not able to kill will always be subject to those who are.

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>>64754538
>unsafe driving habits and hard drugs shouldn't be banned
where the fuck do you live? Zimbabwe?

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>>64754538
>With guns it's only a matter of when it will happen, but it will probably happen soon.

On the contrary, actually.

>>64754616
I meant indoors, with maybe a few exceptions in the south. Of course it can still be done outside, but having to do it outside makes it hard on smokers.

Some states also fine people who do it outside like California.

>>64754577
But you know what is?

Plastics
Fuel to transport all your expensive parts from point a to point b
Lubricants
The means to build a launchpad
The tools people will use to design and perfect a ship capable of conquering space

Good luck with space exploration when your astronauts starve because they had no means of keeping food.

>>64754597
No, it didn't.

Humans are the only species that actively goes out of their way to kill each other. Every other animal kills out of self defense or survival.

And no, bombing mudslimes armed with sticks isn't "self defence".

>>64754651
And yet someone else gets killed anyway.

That's all it is with people: me me me. Use your fucking head and realise how retarded that mindset is.

>>64754695
>Some states also fine people who do it outside like California.

That's just wrong, you moron. People get fined for flicking the butts on the ground, but that's it.

Also smoking indoors in public indoor places deserves to be banned. I shouldn't have to inhale your disgusting lung cancer smoke just because you can't wait until you're home.

>>64754652
>seatbelt laws
>thinking that people on cocaine and heroin can't function normally
>people shouldn't be able to ingest whatever they want to into their bodies
>the drug war has killed a shit ton of people

>>64754472
>The world is half as shitty as it is because every generation inherits this archaic belief of "that tribe will kill us unless we show them we can kill them". It worked back when we actually lived in tribes but it's counterproductive now. We gain nothing from it.

So what do you propose to do about those among us that refuse to abide by the practices that benefit us all, fascist?

Are you going to sterilize all the men and women that produce more children than they can care for?

What about those people that pollute and exploit the environment?

How about those that would rather just take shit from other people rather than work for it themselves?

You are ignorant of human nature, and naive as fuck.

>>64754542
well then my mistake, But ill assume you agreed with the person I was talking too in which case I again stand by my statements in regards to our conversation

>>64754832
>putting cocaine and heroin in the same category
>doctors should be burdened by thousands of drug fiends that can't kick their habit
>the drug war (concerning marijuanna) is pretty much over

USA is probably one of the most lax 1st world countries when it comes to weed these days. People don't even realize it's still illegal the Netherlands.

>>64754737
Better me than you

>>64754705
Pack animals war for territory. We just are pretty efficient about it.

>>64754753
I could've sworn there was a state/city/place in the U.S. that actually fined people for smoking outdoors, I'm pretty sure an area in California actually goes that far but I don't rember the name.

>thinking it can cause lung cancer in people who don't smoke

Why bother avoiding it when you have so many other chemicals and air pollutants to be worried about? Flame retardants are pretty much everywhere nowadays and are toxic.

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>>64740007
>Read "Red Mars"
>first 100 colonists go to the red planet
>all scientists, engineers
>first 100 comprised of Americans, Russians, Europeans, Japanese
>through hard work and innovation, they overcome challenges and dangers of the hostile environment
>hfy.jpg
>fast forward 10+ years
>multicultural immigration
>Muslims riot on mars
>everybody dies

No surprises there.

I get a sense that people really don't understand how culturally diverse and hostile this world is. Demilitarization and disarmament can make sense within a single culture where people agree on most of the same basic things, but people across the world and even in your home town approach can have such a massively different perspective and approach to life. People can be totally murderous, or absolute liars who encourage pacifism in order to weaken people they want to hurt. There are entire masses of culture in which the idea that a government should create safety and stability simply doesn't exist. There are nations out there where everyone unanimously agrees that every citizen should be sacrificing their lives forever in an unending war. There are people who think peace is a myth, there are people living in your country that literally never learned even what the laws are.

I'm not saying we should all be paranoid and violent, but it is in no way immoral to be prepared for war, on any level, including personal.

>>64755022
Gun restriction is pushed by flaming retards and they haven't died yet so it can't be that bad

>>64755033
Way to overlook the buttmad white boy who instigated it all

what i dont quite understand about the gun issue is the argument around stopping tyranny, which apparently is the prime reason for the 2nd amendment to exist. it seems to me a population with firearms will do next to nothing against a military that outguns all other armies on the planet together.

also, im pretty ignorant on history here, but how well armed were the civilian populations in the countries that saw the rise of fascism/communist regimes, before they came to power?

>>64754472
Global disarmament is pretty much indisputable as the solution to war. It's practically synonymous, but we are literally incapable of that at this point. It's so far away, and if it's attempted and even one small group of people don't comply then that's going to be a slaughter, and war will continue. People try it all the time, look at how World War 2 happened. It gets real bad when attempts at passivity fail.

At this point though it's pretty ridiculous to blame any individual or nation for being armed, in a way that implies they are an enemy to global disarmament for being armed.

>>64737268
Can we end the fuckin science nigger meme already

>>64755398
This. Also I think it's funny how we still use the argument that owning a gun protects citizen's rights against a tyrannical government when there are places that ban assault weapons for the very reason that they make it easy to kill cops.

>>64755398
>Vietnam
>Korea
>Afghanistan
>Cuba

>>64755398
You can't rule corpses, anon. Bombing and military confrontations only cause damage that the US would have to turn back around and fix, otherwise it's worthless.

>>64737268
literally reddit: the scientist

>>64755398
Eh, the idea goes something like this.

>government becomes tyrannical
>people get fed up and rebel
>sections of the army join
>civil war ensues which, thanks to citizens armed and trained, is eventually won by the people

It's bullshit but yeah that's the underlying reasoning.

>>64755528
i specifically said i dont know whether or not the people had guns. also, russia, china, cuba, germany, spain, italy, japan would be of interest, more so than the places you mentioned since their militaries were more advanced in comparison to their civilian populations.

>>64755531
but they would have to do that with and without an armed population, since one way or another there will be disobedience. once a tenth of the population has been wiped out within 3 days, the people with pistols and rifles will put them down and say "you know what, im not gonna die for a lost cause."

>>64755410
Any system that requires everyone to play nice is unable to defend itself from a single asshole and thus is doomed.

>>64755684
Yep

>>64755498
>>64755410
Its kind of a purely rhetorical argument. If guns are illegal, then only criminals have guns. So the law abiding citizen becomes entirely dependent upon the state for all protections, then if the state is corrupt, the law abiding citizen is completely helpless and has to make an enemy of the state in order to protect itself. So the only people who benefit in that situation are, colloquially, assholes.

The entire protection against tyranny thing goes back to the greeks as well. As once people other than the greek aristocracy were able to raise armies, they instantly started thinking "fuck the aristocracy" and started going all "might makes right." So the greek aristocracy invented democracy to maintain control out of necessity. Which taught everyone that if you don't give everyone the same rights, people will take their rights by force and take other people's rights.

>>64755656
>once a tenth of the population has been wiped out within 3 days, the people with pistols and rifles will put them down and say "you know what, im not gonna die for a lost
People don't really work like that. Someone who had their father or friend gunned down isn't just going to take it. Their neighbors won't just take it. If that were the case the shit that happened in the middle east would have been over in a week.

And then you have the soldiers themselves being asked to fire on the people they're sworn to protect. It's just not going to work.

Tontop it all off, it's expensive and retarded to blow up your own land that you're still in need of.

>>64755550

Last time I checked, armies have trouble occupying other countries long term due to guerrilla tactics, hence Vietnam

>>64755880
Shit. They didn't even have to kill us in Vietnam. A lot of times they'd opt to maim/injure over kill so that more money would be spent on evacuation/treatment.

People fail to realize how much money matters in war.

>>64755656
Another thing you're not considering is how there is no way to really order a nation's army to murder that nation's citizens. For every one person that accepts that order (because they're a total psychopath or moron) there will be at least one who realizes guns are being pointed at their friends/family and will desert.

>>64755880
>>64755931
There was also the whole bit about how the north vietnamese had complete knowledge of the US's tactics and rules of engagement, therefore was able to walk through all the loopholes with impunity.

Not to mention one of the basic truths of humanity is people fear disfiguring injuries more than death.

All things considered I think for the most part government is very good and I am so glad we have it. Anarchists are ignorant pussies who don't know how bad the world really can be.

>>64754957
>putting cocaine and heroin in the same category
Is that a problem? They're both looked down upon (except for cocaine in Hollywood I guess)

>doctors should be burdened by thousands of drug fiends that can't kick their habit
They already have that problem and you could make the same argument for any unhealthy person

>the drug war (concerning marijuanna) is pretty much over

Yeah but the war on every other drug with a stigma attached to it still exists

>>64755932
>>64755799
well that statement >>64755656 was probably naive on my part; but considering the civil wars that tried to prevent the communists gaining power in china/blosheviks in russia - which were only necessary (and ultimately unsuccessful) because those guys had easy access to guns, and in china actually had the army fighting against the communists - the idea that the government is gonna turn around and become tyrannical for fun seems way more naive (and historically less well founded) than the fear that an armed populace is gonna cause mischief itself. even the nazis made use of gun laws that made guns more easily accessible for everyone but jews. its literally
>1938: gun laws loosened for everyone but jews, nazis had campaigned for this
>1939: world war 2 starts

the whole idea of
>the government might become tyrannical
is something i dont know a historical predecessor for in modern times. all im aware of is large portions of the population starting to subscribe to oppressive views, [starting rebellions, winning civil wars][coming to power technically by formal channels]. i dont even know the last time in history a government actually started oppressing the population from a position of power. again, theres lots i dont know, so id be interested in hearing significant examples.

>>64754957
>>putting cocaine and heroin in the same category
well to be fair, experts on addiction do consider cocaine less harmful than heroin. they also consider alcohol almost as harmful as heroin. the knee-jerk reaction to this info usually is that heroin cant be all that bad then; surprisingly, few people consider it cause to reconsider the validity of widespread acceptance of alcohol of being fun.

>>64754290

>I would rather be raped by a dozen sandniggers with knives and pipes because guns are useless
>Oh no a gang of sandnigger refugees with knives and clubs, best just to call the armed police and hope they arrive in the 2 minutes it will take them to cut out my kidneys
>Oh no,we passed laws so now the bobbies are only armed with single-shot tazers and stern warnings! Etc.

>>64754705

>Humans are the only species that actively goes out of their way to kill each other. Every other animal kills out of self defense or survival.

This is COMPLETELY fucking wrong.
You very clearly know nothing about nature.

>>64756155

>What is Rhodesia
>What is French Indochina
What is South Africa during Apartheid

>>64756338
see, i mentioned twice now that i know pretty little about this stuff. i thought the condescension was restricted to b and r9k; i mustve forgotten what place this is. would you care to expand without calling me a dumb twat?

>>64756155
>a government actually started oppressing the population from a position of power

You don't know shit about Eastern Europe then

>>64743980
sorry, forgot about that

>>64756418
...as i explicitly said twice. do you care enough to say anything on the matter but "shut up you ignorant minger"?

>>64756386
You think admitting you are a dumb shit makes it ok?

>>64756485
Not either of those anons, but if you read up on these subjects yourself you can decide whether you agree or disagree with the examples. This goes for all things.

>>64739544
>become STEMacrocy
>nobody can be acquitted to murder unless they can't provide a mathematic or scientific explanation of why the victim failed.

bullets dont kill people. brain shutdown kills people, caused by injuries, etc.
look i can be a scientist monkey too

>>64756544
so youre saying not knowing something and asking someone who claims to know about it for specifics is being dense? how is that kind of reply helpful to anyone, including yourself? youre just being venomous without saying anything, maybe try not being crude and explaining?

>>64756572
im aware, but saying
>you know nothing about eastern europe
isnt adding anything. i dont even know what parts of eastern europe he means; eastern europe as under control of the udssr? thats just the bolsheviks having won their civil war and extending their oppression to annexed countries. not sure what else he could mean.

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>>64737268
>tfw no Utopian Mars without any niggers, muslims or jews

I unironically hope Amerishoots never ban guns

>>64753797

Pro tip: the governments of many countries build unnecessary shit just to give people jobs.

>>64754753
>thinking smoking is bad for you

Dude

http://www.rampant-antismoking.com

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>>64757573

Me neither. I like having my AR-15 so I can shoot the wild boars that cause thousands of dollars of damage to my fields that cows need to graze on; and also to defend myself from the people who have robbed my irrigatators of their copper wire; and for the fact that there are generally a lot of sneaky Mexicans around who often get drunk and do criminal shit all the time.

>>64737268
Lets take all the POCs and start a colony on mars leave the white people to die here

>>64757749
I don't really care about all of that but it is pretty funny when some retard shoots people up again and the left gets up in arms and says something needs to change and the gun owners get up in arms and say nothing should change and then it dies down until some retard starts Amerishooting again. it's top comedy

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>>64757766

>POC

>literally a term that pits all races against white people

Pretty insidious.

Do the Jews count northeast Asians and themselves as POCs too?

>>64757642
Yeah exactly. This just bolsters my argument dummy. The very fact that the shit is "unnecessary" means it's sole purpose is to provide jobs. That's totally different than manufacturing an object for a private company that actually serves a function beyond employing people.

>>64756051
No our American goverment it's not very good, it's a corrupt shithole. We need less goverment.

>>64757846
But you employ people at the cost of all the other people, the people who gains here is the people in power secured themselves loyal voters.

>>64757846

Good luck trying to shit on gunsmith labor unions as a leftist, though. It would be funny to see you people attacking one of your sacred cows.

Speaking of cows, a lot of people in rural areas use guns to defend their livestock and crops.

>>64747120

>Guns are necessary to protect me from other people with guns

If only there was something we could remove from that equation to make the situation better.

>>64755498

You mean like California? We call those places shitholes that are governed by Jewish women like Diane Feinstein.

Also, maybe they'd have less crime if they stopped importing the lowest-tier scum from Mexico constantly.

>>64757921
>>64757963
I have no idea what either of you are trying to convey here but my only point was it's silly to say that building guns is one of the purposes of guns.

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>>64758122

Works for Mexico, doesn't it?

Also, you can make guns out of spare plumbing materials.

Also, how are old grandmas supposed to defeat Tyrone in CQC?

>mods delete a low traffic, civil MEW thread
>gun control thread that has literally nothing to do with tv or film will hit bump limit

>>64754852
>So what do you propose to do about those among us that refuse to abide by the practices that benefit us all, fascist?
Can you even define the word fascist or do you just throw it out whenever you get triggered?

>Are you going to sterilize all the men and women that produce more children than they can care for?
Education about only having as many kids as you can provide for comes first but as a last resort sure, why not? Would you really rather millions of children suffer for the sake of "muh freedom to make kids I can't take care of".

>What about those people that pollute and exploit the environment?
You'll have to be more specific.

>How about those that would rather just take shit from other people rather than work for it themselves?
Put them in prison like we do now.

>You are ignorant of human nature, and naive as fuck.
Nope, I know what I want will never happen because most human beings are selfish, short sighted retards who only care about eating, sleeping and fucking.

>>64754472

How's grandma supposed to defeat Tyrone?

>old people who live by themselves deserve to just get killed, lol

I suppose it's a form of eugenecism, but Tyrones would take advantage of it and do it constantly.

>>64758547
>How's grandma supposed to defeat Tyrone?

She's supposed to lock her doors and windows at night like a sensible person, that's how. Most houses have double glazed PVC windows these days, a burglar couldn't break through that without making enough noise for the neighbours to call the police.

As for mugging, grandma shouldn't be out by herself after dark if she knows it's a rough area.

>>64758649

>>old people who live by themselves deserve to just get killed, lol

K, got it.

Funny how leftists want equality in everything except capacity of aggression.

Guns have the ability of equalizing Tyrone and grandma in terms of power, like that anon said. Still can't believe there are people that want to infringe on a right so sacred.

>>64758775
I didn't say that though.

There isn't an epidemic of old people being killed by burglars in countries like the UK where guns are banned so what makes you think you can just make shit up?

>>64758836
Except "leftist" is too broad a term to lump people into.

I want guns to be reduced in numbers and availability yes but I also don't think gays should be allowed to adopt. I'm gay myself but I think children need a male and female role model growing up, two men or two women will fuck the child up mentally.

See how people can have views on opposite ends of the political spectrum?

>>64755398
>>64755498
because most of the military isn't going to join with a tyrannical government

>>64758649

>houses with locks on them never get broken into!

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>>64758122

>>64759165
then how are they going to rule with an iron fist?

>>64758122

>If we ban guns, guns will go away!

Are Liberals REALLY this stupid? I thought it was just a stereotype.

>>64758836
>Guns have the ability of equalizing Tyrone and grandma in terms of power

And locking your windows and doors and not going out alone after dark in a rough area prevents any situation in which a gun would need to be used from even happening. It's like you WANT to kill someone, like you're just waiting for an excuse to do it.

>>64758246

>BAWWWWWWWW MUH WAIFUS!!!!

>>>/s/

Go there and stay there.

>>64758649

>As for mugging, grandma shouldn't be out by herself after dark if she knows it's a rough area.

And yet I bet you get triggered when people tell women "stop dressing like a slut and passing out drunk at parties if you don't want to get raped".

>>64759210
automated warfare is farther along than you think

and there will inevitably be some psychopaths who get their jollies off on bullying and killing innocent civilians

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>>64759264

>And locking your windows and doors and not going out alone after dark in a rough area prevents any situation in which a gun would need to be used from even happening.

>Houses with locks on them never get broken into.

>Muggings exclusively happen in "bad areas", and at specific hours of the day.

Holy fucking shit.
I didn't think it was this possible to be this fucking blatantly deluded AND stupid at the same time. And here we are.

No wonder Liberals are such a laughing-stock these days.

>>64759175
>People who own guns never get shot!

See how I can do that too?

Yes, houses with locks on them do get broken into but 99% of thievs will move on if they don't spot an open window or an unlocked door. Prevention is far better than deterrence or self defence. You prepare so that the threat never arises in the first place, then you don't need a gun.

Yes the odd burglary will still happen but far fewer people will die.

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>>64759141

The UK is less culturally enriched than America.

Also:

>if the police don't get to your house in time, you're fucked lol

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>>64759367
But anon, all you have to do is stay in a locked room all your life and you will be safe. They might even let you watch tv if you are a good citizen.

>>64759269

The point was that this thread is entirely off-topic.

And also that MEW poster aren't obnoxious like other waifu shits and should be allowed in moderation.

>>64742103

Maybe they do so because they are mature, intelligent, rational persons?

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>>64759141

>There isn't an epidemic of old people being killed by burglars in countries like the UK where guns are banned

Yes there is.

London currently has more violent crime than fucking New York.

Did you not know this?
You also have an epidemic of Muslims raping little white children and getting away with it with police help, but I bet you were willfully ignorant of that as well.

If you're from the UK, I would think twice before lecturing any other nation about crime, you retarded shit-packer.

>>64759264

So you're essentially putting the blame on the victim. That's such a coward point of view: since the outside world is dangerous, we must succumb to evil criminals. Fuck that, the granny (or anybody) has the sacred right of going out wherever she wants, whenever she wants (as long as she doesn't interfere with the rights of others). And if she is attacked, she has the right to defend herself with guns.

>>64759357
i cant figure out all the assumptions that you seem to have in mind, and how you conciliate what seem to be a bunch of inconsistencies. seems like youre saying a people with rifles can beat a tyrannical government, who would be able to use their highly advanced killer robots to defeat their own military. did i understand that right?

>>64759302
>And yet I bet you get triggered when people tell women "stop dressing like a slut and passing out drunk at parties if you don't want to get raped".

Actually no I agree with that. If you don't wanna be raped then use common sense and don't get shitfaced around strangers in a place you don't know.

>>64759367
Do you have this mental disorder where you selectively choose what you see and don't see? Look at the UK, look at France, look at Germany. All countries where guns are banned and yet all haven't desceneded into all out chaos.

You don't need a gun to defend yourself from muggers, you need common sense. I've lived in the shittiest parts of london for 20 years and I've never come close to being mugged.

>>64759377

>I get to tell you what you need and what you do not need in a worst-case scenario.

Yeah, no.

The fact still remains: Houses get broken into by crazed criminals.
You can do all the mental-gymnastics all you want, but the fact still remains that in a home-invasion, you are better-off with a gun.

You're a retarded gun-grabber that's trying to twist logic around to fit your retarded narrative, and it's not working.

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>>64759501

Oh yeah, this needs to be mentioned more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

The police covered it up.
>you don't need guns, you have police, lol
Pakis doing Paki shit.
>we need more Muslim immigrants, shitlord

>>64759501
>violent crime
I'd rather be stabbed and live than shot and killed.

this isn't fucking rocket science.

>>64737268
> get rid of niggers
> gun violence drops to almost nothing

He brings up a good point.

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>>64759572
> Look at the UK, look at France, look at Germany. All countries where guns are banned and yet all haven't desceneded into all out chaos.
hueheu

>>64759395
>The UK is less culturally enriched than America

FUCK. OFF.

There's entire towns in London where foreigners have invaded. Luckily our nigger population remains spread out and sparse which I think is why America is in such a bad situation. I mean I'm all for giving people a chance but blacks are a lost cause. That whole slavery thing sort've blew up in your face and now you're infested with their descendants shitting up your country.

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>>64759572

>Look at the UK, look at France, look at Germany. All countries where guns are banned and yet all haven't desceneded into all out chaos.

>look at France
>All countries where guns are banned and yet all haven't desceneded into all out chaos.

Holy shit, do you not read what you type before you post it?

>>64759501
>London currently has more violent crime than fucking New York.

Because in the UK the definition of violent crime is so broad that there are like 40 fucking different offences

In America it's 3 or 4

You can literally get sent down in the UK for a violent crime and do a 2 stretch in wandsworth if you slap someone, throw a bin at someone's car or shove someone into a urinal for some boss jokes, it's insane

>>64759377

>Yes, houses with locks on them do get broken into but 99% of thievs will move on if they don't spot an open window or an unlocked door.

This retard knows absolutely nothing about crime.

>>64759627

>If you get stabbed, you live!

Holy shit.

This is how brainwashed Britpoors are.

>>64759627

Are you actually saying that banning guns will prevent LAW BREAKING criminals from using guns?

I'd rather defend myself with guns than be stabbed and killed or shot and killed.

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>>64759492

>if we ban guns murder will stop!
>"mature, intelligent, rational persons"

>>64754472
>archaic belief
Easy to say with the world's strongest tribe protecting you. Move to a third world country and learn how the world is still very much one that deals in force.
>counterproductive now
I know, it's the current year after all

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>>64759572

>Look at the UK, look at France, look at Germany. All countries where guns are banned and yet all haven't desceneded into all out chaos.

>>64759536
No, I'm encouraging people to use common sense to avoid becoming victims in the first place.

You get mugged walking home from the shop at 3pm? Catch the guy and lock him up.

You get mugged walking home piss drunk at 2am in a shitty part of town? Catch the guy, lock him up and get told off by the police for being a twat.

The world is dangerous because no one trusts anyone. That distrust breeds more distrusts and leads to an even more dangerous world. The majority of people out there are sane, rational human beings who just want to live their life in peace. The way people carry on though it's like they believe the majority of people are crazed psychopaths waiting for their chance to strike. Granny can go out at 1am if she likes, but Granny shouldn't expect any sympathy when she gets mugged.

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>>64759627

>being stabbed isn't lethal

Then why do countless people get stabbed to death every year in the UK? Shouldn't they all still be walking around, by your logic?

>>64759593
>The fact still remains: Houses get broken into by crazed criminals.

And you'd rather risk getting shot in the head as you sleep instead of conked on the head with a baseball bat? Do you know what happens when you pull a gun on a burglar? He pulls his and starts shooting up the place without regard for you or your family.

It won't play out like it does in your fantasies, you won't get him to surrender peacefully and do a citizens arrest. You'll get shot at.

>>64759802
>Easy to say with the world's strongest tribe protecting you

Are you referring to America? The worlds biggest bully that only remains a superpower because it invades and leeches off shitholes? The only thing America protects is its fucking fridge, the whole world wants you wiped off the face of the earth.

>>64759923
nigga pls
even kids and the elderly blast away home invaders with ease
stop being a liberal pussy and buy a glock or two
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/05/135862-teenagers-heading-door-shot-dead-home-invasion-family-says-didnt-deserve/

>>64759677

>That whole slavery thing sort've blew up in your face

Well to be fair, you brought them here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbados_Slave_Code

>>64759827

Looks like common sense failed you since you cannot see something as basic as being able to defend yourself.

Common sense has also failed you since you'd rather depend on a public force that is costly, slow and bureaucratic; by the time the police has come, your throat has been slit and your wife raped and killed.

You'd also rather be sheltered than be free to go wherever you want, whenever you want. You don't deserve neither freedom nor security.

>>64760034
I just live in the UK, I wasn't born here.

But yeah I already knew the british ferried slaves from africa to be sold in america.

>>64760063
>Looks like common sense failed you since you cannot see something as basic as being able to defend yourself.
I'm not gonna repeat what I already said. Go back and read the part about "prevention".

>by the time the police has come, your throat has been slit and your wife raped and killed.
I fail to see how you owning a gun either deters people from breaking into your home or stops them from doing all that shit. If you locked your windows and doors you wouldn't have these people in your house in the first place. If you get broken into it's because you forgot to lock your fucking house up.

what i miss in this whole debate is weighing the societal costs against the individual benefits. its obvious anyone would prefer to be able to stop an intruder into their home from harming their family or themselves. but on what scale does that happen? on what scale would it happen if guns were out of the equation to the degree they are in similarly industrialized nations with a strict ban on guns? what scale of benefit could be expected from a gun ban? people just list what happens now, and depending on their leaning on the issue, some optimistic or nightmarish hypothetical of what a gun ban would bring about. but the is isn't actually weighed against the would-be in a realistic manner.

more importantly, it's never brought up what kind of evil your society is willing to tolerate. the status quo is: you keep guns that are used to kill tens of thousands of innocents with mass shootings almost every day, because you think the upshot of shooting robbers is worthwhile enough to tolerate those dead. what could be: you get almost no mass shootings to speak of and next to no accidental gun deaths, if any. for that, you might (and that's not really established) have to tolerate a rise in some sorts of crime - how serious that rise would be, if any, and what crimes would be increasing isn't all that clear. it's also not clear why that purported rise in criminality couldn't be better addressed in other ways. seems to me though that weighing a potential rise in possibly nonlethal harm to people against the status quo of tens of thousands of killings facilitated by guns is a worthwhile thought.

>>64760170

They also established the slave-agrarian economy intentionally.

>>64760494

>tens of thousands of innocents with mass shootings almost every day

lol, where did you get these numbers?

All you leftists and niggers should just move to an island and test this theory for a few centuries.

>>64760578
>All you leftists and niggers should just move to an island and test this theory for a few centuries.

It's called Europe and it's a far more peacful place than America.

>>64760578
>lol, where did you get these numbers?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/01/2015-274-days-294-mass-shootings-hundreds-dead/
if you dont like those numbers, why not put some on the issue yourself? but please make it a source with a semblance of integrity, not
>the-right-of-the-people-to-go-YEEHAW-shall-not-be-infringed.wordpress.com

>>64760494

Banning guns just creates a black market for guns. Happens with every regulation.

You think a law banning guns will prevent criminals who, BY DEFINITION, break laws? You will just prevent honest, law-abiding citizens from getting guns.

>>64760643

Minus the niggers part, but that's increasing thanks to your booming Muslim population.

Also, Germany has less strict gun laws than California in some cases. Not all of Europe is a nogunz paradise like North Korea.

>>64760750
i know that rhetoric. what it doesnt address is the empiric facts that gun ownership is next to zero in a number of countries comparable to the US that have strict gun legislation. so is the number of their crime incidents.

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>>64760703

>tens of thousands a day = hundreds

Not my fault you can't math.

30,000 x 365, the US population would be wiped out if we take what you said literally.

>>64760771
>Also, Germany has less strict gun laws than California in some cases.
what germany also has is next to no guns among its population; also: next to no need for police to use firearms.

>>64760848
>>tens of thousands a day = hundreds
>Not my fault you can't math.
... the "a day" referred to mass shootings.

>>64760750
That's your best excuse?

First, the police will do their job and root out gun runners. Of course some will slip through but the point is making guns so hard to get that criminals are forced to resort to using other weapons which are far less dangerous. You're talking like every jungle bunny in detroit who wants to get his hands on a glock just has to go to his local gun salesman when in reality it's the guys pulling off bank jobs and shit like that who'd be the only ones who could afford illegal guns.

No, it won't happen overnight but if you get rid of guns and you keep the pressure up then eventually they will stop being so commonplace.

>>64754253
>Space exploration is an obligation
HA fucking HA