>>64734706 youre not the only one. couldnt believe how that bullshit went down >>64735158 if dear zachary made you furious then you will go on rage overload since its 10 episodes of corruption and incompetence of the highest level. worth watching it though, just expect to be frustrated throughout
>>64734706 well you should be mad because it was clearly biased for steven, they didn't even bring up steven's sweat was found in the car or that steven called teresa several times and using his sister's name. if you look at this as steven did it but the cops didn't have enough evidence, it just show how far cops would go to get a conviction
>>64735657 The reason they can't use them in court is because they are notoriously unreliable. They can be faked, the person being interrogated could give false positives, etc. Polygraphs are almost on the level of phrenology when it comes to meme science.
>>64735533 Sweat is same deal with blood, somehow no fingerprints on the car, but his sweat and blood is on it, and it was found months after iirc? And the car he was selling was his sisters hence using her name. All of the evidence 'not shown' in the documentary is not conclusive at all and much of it is just as suspect as the other shit.
I watched the first 4, should I bother with the rest? The shit plods along so fucking slowly. Wisconsin is an eye sore, and I am sick of listening to the acoustic guitar soundtrack. I really don't see how this needs to be 10 fucking episodes.
Brendan I need you to draw yourself killing Theresa But I didn't do it Brendan do you want to be in trouble No Then do what I tell you OK Draw a chainsaw, and some chains, and no no draw yourself chopping her into pieces and inserting your penis into her wounds Ok there, can I go home now I'm gonna miss Wrestlemania Brendan you retard you're going to prison for the rest of your life
im on ep 9, things get really interesting imo throughout the case but it's basically a dead stop after the verdict. I don't see the point of going through the retard 17 yr old's case and ep 10 is likely just gonna be the averys being mopey and sad without any real closure.
>>64737747 He can velcro his own shoes and in Manitowoc that puts you one level below Einstein. Several of the city officials actually have silent respect for his intelligence, much in the way Starling has respect for Lecter.
>>64734706 i thought it was pretty funny. >yeah? >dont get screwy
also, he totally killed her. >sweat on car >60 or so phone calls in a night >denied bonfire, when pressed admits having it
he didnt kill her like the prosecution presented it, they planted the evidence to ensure a conviction, but he most definitely killed her. that retarded teenager had nothing to do with it. hes just a retard that wanted to make the cops happy. poor bastard will never see wrestlemania
>>64737453 It's like our society and circumstances conspire up these fun little Darwin tests to see if you are fit to live. I think Brendon failed. This, folks, is why you always lawyer the fuck up and make sure not to be born poor & uneducated.
>>64737436 As a person from Wisconsin, the Avery family does make us all look like hillbilly retards. It's not really like that though, all of the lawyers, and the Halbach family, and most of the people interviewed that weren't the Avery family were normal, and that's the majority of what you deal with here. Every state has rural dummies.
It's possible that the food at his prison is very rich and he gets little to no exercise. Combined with shit tier genetics and probably dwelling on a lifetime of regret ahead of you causing depression.
>>64735326 >asks how dare anyone question police integrity >says just the accusations harm police reputations >ignores how Avery's reputation was harmed by both cases >turns out to be a sleazeball that sexually harassed a domestic violence victim Such a piece of shit, and he was taking the moral highground during the trial.
>>64739265 I'm from WI too, originally from a small town. I get culture shock when I go back. I can't believe I grew up surrounded by so many idiots. There's actually one idiot who drives around with a flagpole in his shitty truck flying the confederate flag.
>>64735533 Anons keep on bringing this shit up as if it's this conclusive evidence of guilt; as if police that have planted a car key and blood evidence (police whose involvement in the investigation alone should be enough to cast huge doubt on the investigation) are not going to be able to find some sweaty item of Steves (guy looked like a sweater)The *69/ ringing from sisters phone /asking for her specifically is perhaps evidence she was slightly creeped out by him, but that is not evidence he killed her! An anon in a thread yesterday was saying >but all the evidence of Steves innocence was location based! >he couldnt have killed her in his trailer or garage because no blood >but he could have killed her elsewhere
But if you think this then why assume it was Steve who killed her? He killed her on the outskirts of his property or beyond, then decided the best thing to do was being her body and burn it next to his house, despite having several better options? ! If you accept she was killed elsewhere then surely it looks more like someone else killed her and then either murderer or police or both moved evidence to frame Steven? And to those calling the documentary biased: YES. IT WAS. It was extremely biased in the direction of Stevens innocence. ...LIKE THE TRIAL SHOULD HAVE BEEN!
>>64739806 I guess I don't spend much time that far north. I mean, there are bars and churches everywhere, but Milwaukee, Madison, and even smaller cities like Oshkosh have sizable, er, religious right populations.
>>64739392 FUCKING THIS !!! Imagine those cops arresting you, that attorney (retarded kid`s) representing you and that judge convicting you ... I cannot determine if steven killed her, but i can for sure say there is something rotten about the system.
The guy is white. If you think this is unfair just imagine being a person of color, meaning the entire system is stacked against you. You're almost a dozen times more likely to be convicted of a crime than someone with white privilege.
>>64740269 >Now steven is actually saying his brother chuck should be blamed due to his past with stalking women >implying Please don't link that article citing 2009 documents of other people Steve is saying the police should have looked into.
>>64739981 The people who bother me the most are the ones saying: >Well, the police did obviously plant some evidence >but he probably did it anyway, they were just making sure they got a conviction >I see no problem with this whatsoever
What the fuck is wrong with you people? Shall we just do away with the legal system and when a serious crime is committed, just let the local community kill anyone they think is a bit weird or any stranger in town?. Like the good old days right?
>>64740414 I don't see what you're having trouble with. The legal system is flawed, we all know that. At the very least we can take the probability that he did do it as consolation for the fact that the conviction was a little sketchy.
>>64740016 They're the majority in most of the small towns. I've got no problem with god people, unless they start making up bullshit about how the country will cease to exist if we let them get married. Which happened a lot. Just so much hate from a religion I was taught was supposed to be about love.
God you should die so your idiocy doesn't spread. He lived in a hick town and he admitted he fucked up and hung around with the wrong people. He served his time. Now the fact you would rather have an innocent man locked up because you see him as a danger is degenerate. The cop investigating the murder were the very ones he was suing. He might just be guilty but we'll never know because as another poster stated earlier, the police in that hick town are incompetent pigs out for revenge. They contaminated the evidence and still used it in court. I'm not saying he's innocent but the police there are pretty fucked up and if you believe everything they concluded you really should just stick a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger. I'm still waiting for the Keith Morrison episode soon and then will I draw my own conclusions. The conflict of interests in this case sticks out like a sore thumb.
>>64740548 I don't understand how anyone can take consolation in a man going to prison for a crime that wasn't proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. We have courts and the legal system for a reason, no one is good enough to surpass it for "justice".
>>64741076 >one petty criminal >a man who was wrongly convicted and lost 18 years of his life may now lose the rest of his life on something that nobody proved he did The prosecution was underhanded, they proved absolutely nothing, and the system was obviously lopsided. If that doesn't piss you off then I honestly don't know what to say.
>>64740548 >God you should die so your idiocy doesn't spread. He lived in a hick town and he admitted he fucked up and hung around with the wrong people. He served his time. Now the fact you would rather have an innocent man locked up because you see him as a danger is degenerate. The cop investigating the murder were the very ones he was suing. He might just be guilty but we'll never know because as another poster stated earlier, the police in that hick town are incompetent pigs out for revenge. They contaminated the evidence and still used it in court. I'm not saying he's innocent but the police there are pretty fucked up and if you believe everything they concluded you really should just stick a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger. I'm still waiting for the Keith Morrison episode soon and then will I draw my own conclusions. The conflict of interests in this case sticks out like a sore thumb.
>>64740655 >>64740767 >>64740776 The legal system is an attempt at justice, but the notion that "innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" always results in justice is naive. Not that it's no a good policy to have. Isn't it better that in this case he most likely actually did it, as opposed to him being innocent again? I'm with the lawyer who said he hoped he WAS guilty, so that at least the time served is the just end, regardless of flawed means. That all being said, he did most likely do it.
>>64741186 The guy had an unpleasant past. They wouldn't convict someone who's completely innocent. Sometimes, you have to work the system to produce justice. I'm okay with this because I'm not a criminal and I have to wonder why treatment of criminals seems to concern you so much.
>age 20 douse cat in kerosene and throw in bonfire >put gun to female cousin's head in middle of the road >send letters threatening to kill and mutilate wife to children from prison >fellow inmates sign affidavit saying he drew and planned to build torture chamber >two women (one underage) claiming he raped them sign affidavits >last person to see victim alive >no alibi >literal mountain of physical evidence on property
HURRR DURR THE COPS PLANTED IT ALL GUYS IT'S A FUCKING CONSPIRACY HURRRRRR
You know, I expect this bullshit from Reddit, but I'm disappointed in all of you.
>>64741287 >he called her like a fucking psycho. He called her twice with a blocked number and she knew him before she worked with him before and her co-workers knew where she was going and she knew where she was going. He called her because they had an appointment.
>>64741218 I'm surprised more people haven't pointed out a conspiracy involving the state, think about it.
>Man served 18 years in prison do to a series of fuck ups >Is now suing the State for $36,000,000, that they clearly don't have >Have the cops keep tabs on him and notice he has repeated contact with Halbach >Frame him for her murder >Now his retribution is gone, and instead of $36m he settles on $400k to pay his bills >The police department, and everyone in a court room are paid by the state
>>64741255 >The guy had an unpleasant past. So if you're not spotless it's guilty until proven innocent?
>I'm okay with this because I'm not a criminal and I have to wonder why treatment of criminals seems to concern you so much. Because labeling someone a criminal does not make them less than human. You do realize that "working the system" to produce "justice" is criminal? I have to wonder why you're willing to give criminals a pass just so they can convict someone you consider unsavory without evidence or proper procedure.
>>64741435 Manitowoc County Circuit Judge Patrick Willis would not allow Dawn Pliszka, an Auto Trader receptionist at the time, to testify about one of Halbach’s previous encounters with Avery. “She had stated to me that he had come out in a towel,’’ Pliszka said while the jury was outside of the courtroom. “I just said, ‘Really?’ and then she said, ‘Yeah,’ and laughed and said kinda ‘Ew.’’’ Willis said he could not allow the testimony because the date wasn’t clear and few details were known about the alleged encounter.
>>64741255 >God you should die so your idiocy doesn't spread. He lived in a hick town and he admitted he fucked up and hung around with the wrong people. He served his time. Now the fact you would rather have an innocent man locked up because you see him as a danger is degenerate. The cop investigating the murder were the very ones he was suing. He might just be guilty but we'll never know because as another poster stated earlier, the police in that hick town are incompetent pigs out for revenge. They contaminated the evidence and still used it in court. I'm not saying he's innocent but the police there are pretty fucked up and if you believe everything they concluded you really should just stick a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger. I'm still waiting for the Keith Morrison episode soon and then will I draw my own conclusions. The conflict of interests in this case sticks out like a sore thumb.
>Among other documents filed in support of his motion, Kratz submitted the transcript of a 1993 hearing before Manitowoc County Circuit Judge Fred Hazelwood that said Avery, while in prison, threatened to mutilate and kill his former wife, Lori Mathieson.
>That threat included drawings, and Hazelwood also discussed a "bizarre incident" with "sexual overtones" in which Avery admitted ramming his cousin's car and forcing her off the road.
>Kratz also included in Wednesday's filings statements from prisoners who served time with Avery at Green Bay Correctional Institution. They said Avery talked about and showed them diagrams of a torture chamber he planned to build when he was released.
>The filings also include statements from a woman, now 41, who said she was raped by Avery, who told her "if she yelled or screamed there was going to be trouble."
>There also is an affidavit from a girl who said she was raped by Avery.
>"The victim's mother indicated that the victim does not want to speak about the sexual assault between her and Steven Avery because Steven Avery told her if she 'told anyone about their activities together he would kill her family,'" the filing said.
>The affidavit said Avery admitted to his fiancee that he had sexually assaulted the girl
Gee, it's almost like you guys are a bunch of easily-led morons who got fooled by a biased documentary.
>>64741435 >it's a "I just read about Kratz's statements about another 5 pieces of prosecutor evidence just as easily debunked as the rest were in the documentary but now I KNOW Steven is GUILTY" comment
He killed her. The kid most likely knew about it, maybe even helped or witnessed Steven dispose of the body. The guy was more than a bit fucked and spending 20 years in jail could certainly push you over the edge to do something like this. They really glossed that part over quickly when it was brought up around episode 3 or 4. The police probably knew that he was the killer but they didn't have enough evidence to prove it. They knew given their past failings and the upcoming civil suit would cast doubt on the legitimacy of any case their made against Steve; so they planted an overwhelming amount of evidence to ensure his guilt. The problem is they overdid it and now we will never know if they was enough evidence to convict Steven without all the tampering and coercion. Steven belongs in jail but so do the cops.
Let's look at the facts without bias or assumption
>no DNA on Teresa's own key except for Avery's >no Teresa DNA in Avery's room >no Teresa's DNA in Avery's bed >no Teresa DNA in Avery's trailer >no Teresa DNA in Avery's garage >no Teresa DNA on the floor of Avery's garage >no blood in Avery's room >no blood in Avery's garage >no fingerprints in or outside Teresa's car >every knife in the Avery compound found no Teresa DNA >evidence shows Teresa's bones had been moved
Not to mention things like >inconclusive blood DNA test used in trial >absolutely no evidence, DNA, blood, anything, to suggest Brandan was there at all >In Avery's trial they said Teresa died in the garage (none of her blood anywhere, none even that permeated into the floor) >In Brandon's trial they argued she died in the bedroom
>>64741758 >>In Brandon's trial they argued she died in the bedroom Thats completely allowed in court apparently. Prosecution can argue that both stories happened because the cases were seperate. Sick really.
>7 jurors initially voted not guilty >3 jurors were "stubborn" on voting guilty >The one juror acting as the rock from stopping the other jurors giving in had to be dismissed due to a "family emergency" >The other jurors gave in to the 3 stubborn jurors compromises >Avery guilty of murder but not guilty of mutilation, both counts of which go hand in hand according to the prosecution
>>64741758 >Let's look at the facts without bias or assumption
Okay, here's the facts, moron:
>he tortured animals as an adult >two women signed affidavits saying he raped them >he threatened to kill and mutilate his wife >inmates signed affidavits saying he planned to build a torture chamber >threatened his female cousin with a gun in the road >teresa's burned remains were found in his burn pit >teresa's palm pilot and cell phone were found in his burn barrel >teresa's crumpled license plate was found in a vehicle in the salvage yard >teresa's rav4 was found in the salvage yard >steven's sweat was found under the hood of the rav4 >steven's blood was found in the rav4 >the rav4's spare key was found in steven's trailer >steven's sweat was found on the spare rav4 key >a .22 bullet was found in steven's garage with teresa's DNA on it >steven was the last known person to see teresa alive >steven has no alibi >teresa's receptionist says she was afraid of him
Yeah, you're right, you MORONS, it's much more likely that there was a grand conspiracy involving officers and forensics techs and lawyers from two different agencies to pull off the greatest frame job in criminal history than that an animal-torturing suspected-rapist violent psycho who was the last person to see the victim alive and had a mountain of evidence around him kill her.
You guys are complete fucking morons and have well surpassed "Hands up don't shoot" levels of delusion by orders of magnitude.
>>64741978 None of the first 5 points you make are relevant to the case. It's just character assassination. The other evidence you point out is without taken into account the other evidence that goes along with it. Yes, the RAV4 was at his place, but with everything scrubbed clean bar his blood. No fingerprints. Her bones were found in his burn pit, but were confirmed to have been moved. There is none of her blood or DNA found anywhere else in his home. He didn't magically levitate her into the air, kill her, burn her in the air, then drop her down into a pit leaving her bones.
>>64741978 Steven Avery is probably a creepy lowlife. There's no way you make so many enemies and get such a shitty reputation by being a standup dude. He may very well have killed TH and he may deserve to be in jail but that doesn't change the fact that what the state did in this case was just awful.
>>64742080 Did you see the mess in his garage? Firstly he wouldn't have had room to place a sheet down, secondly, there was no blood found splatter ANYWHERE. Shooting someone on the floor would make blood splatter around like fuck. If testing is so good that you can test blood permeating through rock, that you can test that bones had been moved from one place to another after being burned, you don't think they could test to see that someone had been shot on a sheet on the ground? No impact marks on the floor, no traces of sheet or bullet, nothing.
>>64742041 >The trend shows that criminals escalate as time goes on, not the other way round. Yeah, probably if you do it habitually. Steven was allegedly hanging around some bad people at the time of the incident that probably encouraged his feeble little brain to do it. In the documentary he seemed genuinely regretful for killing the cat.
plus: > Right before Theresa died all the cops were being called for questioning on their ineptitude from 1985. > Steven was about to get $450k by the State and had a credible case suing the police department for $36M. > Steven's blood sample that was last checked just a year or so earlier and had been closed and sealed as evidence had been inexplicably opened, and a syringe had pierced the top of the container.
>"Well the accusations of the police planting evidence is completely absurd because the police just said they investigated that and found that they didn't do nothing." >"The confession has Steven Avery dead to rights, he's completely guilty." >"I haven't seen the video but the police said that the confession proves he did it."
I hate this cunt with a passion. Why do they keep cutting to him? All he does is shill for the police and regurgitate information they spoon fed him.
>Be 16 years old >Try and tell cops what they want to hear because you lack the intelligence to know what's going on >Be released from jail at 58 years old
I feel for Brandan the most. I wish the show focuses on him more. He literally did nothing wrong. He was so unaware as to what was going on, his biggest concern was whether he was going to miss wrestlemania or not
You know I get people thinking the kid is innocent but I don't understand how you guys think the guy is innocent. Like cops moving vehicles and burned remains and squirting dna all over the place? You guys know this is real life and not a movie right?
>>64743181 I mean I get that the cops will fudge evidence and lie and shit but carting burned human remains around and planting them and all this other stuff... that's some risky shit. What's the motivation for the cops to do all that shit? Because I can't see it.
This is definitive proof that this series is officially "reddit".
This is /tv/. This is not the place for stupid pandering or fedoras, this is not the place for pathetic teenagers who are trying to be edgy. This is not the place for wild speculation about a case that only a select few know the full facts about.
Mods, could you PLEASE ban this shit and can we not start having generals about it (the most reddit threads in existence, go look at GoT for God's sake).
>>64743157 Did you actually hear the inconsistencies with the "evidence"?
Answer how there can only be Avery's DNA on the key No scratches on the bed, no rope fibers, no Teresa DNA anywhere on the property. No Teresa blood anywhere on the property? They found a bullet dipped in her blood, yet there's no blood anywhere to be found on the property? Sure, you can't prove that the cops planted stuff. But you can prove that the evidence provided makes no sense and there's doubt Avery did anything
>>64743118 Me calling you retarded makes me not nice, but threatening women, burning cats, planning out a torture chamber, obsseveliy calling a woman anonymously who was afraid of him, and having no alibi means that Steven Avery is a good man? I bet you were one of those fucks who "cared" about Kony for 4 days
I'm convinced the ex boyfriend had something to do with it, maybe even the brother. But there's also the Bobby and Scott thing and I don't see how all 4 could come together and work together on this. It's too confusing
>>64743244 you are aware that this is not an episode of CSI right? DNA and micro evidence samples of shit like rope isnt always there and sometimes if it is its just fucking impossible to find. Idiots like you who disregard circumstantial evidence because you see the tv lawyers do it are the worst kind of idiots
>>64743319 It's about a wrongful conviction followed by a suspicious conviction of murder. People enjoy murder as it is, but seen as the state of Wisconsin does not allow people to point out other suspects in the trial, it leaves it open for the viewer to play detective
>>64743303 So either this supposed brutal rape and killing left no DNA evidence on the property, or Steven Avery and Retard McGee are experts at cleaning a crime scene in between their gas huffing sessions.
But... Those cops they kept saying framed the guy weren't even named in the lawsuit. They wouldn't have had to pay anything... The worst that might've happened was budget cuts forcing them to get laid off... So why risk going to prison? I mean moving human remains and stealing blood out of an evidence locker because of a lawsuit that you aren't even going to have to pay for doesn't make sense.
>>64743370 First episode and a half about a wrongful imprisonment which then leads to, and influences, the rest of the show being about the same man being arrested for a murder he may or may not have committed
>>64743453 It doesn't make sense, dude. If I was about to get sued for 36 million, okay, maybe I'd be willing to cart bones and blood around to save my own ass. But these guys weren't on the hook for the money. This ain't like, you know, putting a gun in a victim's hand and pulling the trigger or something in a shooting. This is hauling around partially burned human remains and stealing blood from evidence locker and shooting steven's gun just to get a bullet and stuff... Even a crooked cop, what cop in his right mind is going to do all that when he's not even at risk, much less two or three of them? It makes no sense.
>>64743481 I can understand he jury at Stevens trial giving in to a guilty vote despite the poor evidence. But how they jury can live with themselves for imprisoning a kid for life, with literally 0 evidence other than the defendants own retarded conflicting statements, baffles me. I hope they watched the show and want to kill themselves
>>64743533 Humans don't give a shit about animals, we slaughter them and let them live in shit hole conditions just so we can eat them.
Sometimes we don't even kill them in humane ways, we cut their throats and let them bleed out slowly.
Animals are disposable. Even the best animals like whales/dolphins/cats/dogs are all slaughtered and eaten.
Just because "muh kitty cat" doesn't mean shit, if we were in China your cat would be a feast, and no one would look at you weirdly if you smashed it's little head against a wall because it's just an animal, just food.
I agree though that we shouldn't be cruel to animals.. but it's part of human culture and we can't get away from that.
>>64743564 Dude, that just doesn't make sense. I mean a cop will fudge evidence when they freaked out and shot someone to save their own ass and they'll lie to get someone convicted they believe is guilty.... But a couple of cops moving human remains and stealing blood and planting bullets and etc.
It's just not believable. No cop crooked or not is doing all that when their ass isn't even on the line.
The only one with a motivation to frame the guy is the real killer.
>>64743670 I don't know but it doesn't sound believable to me that a cop would risk some other cop ratting him out by moving human remains just to protect his boss from a lawsuit that doesn't affect him at all. I mean... that's just crazy. Nobody would do that.
>>64743705 No I totally think cops are crooked as fuck. But doing all this framing shit and risking one of the other cops whistleblowing on them? For what? Those two cops they kept saying planted the stuff weren't even named in the lawsuit. It makes no sense. Nobody's going to do that to protect their bosses. It's crazy. I mean, cops will frame shit, but going to that kind of lengths would be risky.
>>64743761 >despite the documentary not showing the prosecution's side But they did... >makes me not want to watch it. How can you make statements like this when you've not even watched it? Have you fallen victim to Ken "Sexter of domestic violence victims" Kratz's statements?
>>64743797 No, it's not me not believing. It straight up doesn't make sense.
Like look. If they planted that shit, there's no way they did it without someone else catching wind of it, their superiors and other cops, etc. You just couldn't do it.
Okay so I'm a cop. My boss is getting sued for 36 million dollars, but it doesn't really affect me. So I'm going to pull some highly illegal shit and move remains around just to protect them and let other cops see that I did that when any of them could rat me out if they get in a bind and get me thrown in prison?
Nobody is going to do that. It makes no sense.
The only motivation to frame someone this massively is if you had something to lose yourself, and those two cops they kept mentioning didn't have it. It has to be someone else.
He's guilty as fuck. But for some reason 4chan is being slower on the uptake than they were with Mike Brown and Trayvon Martin to see through the DINDU NUFFIN bullshit. Probably because the murderer is white this time.
>>64743920 Namecall all you want, but it doesn't make sense. Nobody is going to give their coworkers a blank check to throw them in federal rape-me-in-the-ass prison unless they've got some compelling reason to do so. Protecting your boss from a lawsuit doesn't cut it.
Cops frame people when they know they can get away with it or when their own ass is on the line. They don't do it just to protect their bosses from lawsuits that don't affect them. That shit makes no sense.
>>64743875 They thought he killed her. They wanted him convicted. They were pissed off that he'd been released from prison. They had been deposed. They thought they could get away with it, and they did It doesn't have to make sense to you for it to be possible
Brendan Dassey, guilty or not, doesn't really matter. His conviction should be thrown out just because the fuckery involved with his lawyer and the detectives who interrogated him. I tend to think he's guilty of something, though. Maybe just knowing what happened.
>>64743959 In both the mike brown case and travon case 4chan wanted the person on trial to be found be found not guilty the same as with this case. There is no inconsistency here and you are the only racist.
>>64743988 How do you know the lawsuit wouldn't affect them? It would have bankrupted to department leading to cuts, possible their own jobs. The police had a grudge against the Averys. Also they did get away with it!! Who's in jail? Cops or Avery?
>>64741076 first they came for the communists, and i did not speak out... then they came for the socialists, and i did not speak out... next they came for the trade unionists, and i did not speak out...
Not really. If those two cops framed Avery, then literally at any time one of their coworkers (if they get in a bind over a shooting or some other fuck-up) could go to the FBI or the state police or whoever and say, "I have knowledge of a huge conspiracy which I will trade for leniency."
No cop is putting that kind of power in a coworker's hands unless he has something worse to fear. Your boss getting sued doesn't fit that bill.
This does not logically make any sense. If Avery is framed, it wasn't the cops.
>>64744041 Okay well you are obviously the dumbest motherfucker on the planet because if he was guilty there would be some DNA evidence, also knowing what happened isn't a crime you fuck head.
Please go watch some Forensic Files on Netflix so you understand how getting a conviction with DNA works. Then realize that the complete lack of DNA means that Brendan Dassey's case should be thrown out the window.
Also here's a fun fact anon. 25% of people who where proved innocent by DNA evidence later in life made statements that incriminated them and sent them to prison.
>Parts of Halbach’s body were found burned in Avery’s fire pit. >Evidence of Avery’s involvement was found inside his home. >There is DNA evidence tying the bullet found in the Avery garage to Halbach. >Avery was the last known person to see Halbach alive. >Police found her car, with blood on it and in it, left on the Avery family’s lot. >Avery’s high-school age cousin, Brendan Dassey, confessed that he had assisted his uncle in murder of Halbach. >Bullet found had Hallbach's DNA as well as being tied to his firearm >Admitted to owning shackles, handcuffs, leg irons, which were used on the victim >Her car key is found inside his house, not only that, but was covered in Avery's sweat >Avery not only called Auto Trader and specifically requested Halbach to take pictures the day she was killed, but he also gave a false name when he did so. >Not only was Avery’s blood — which we’re supposed to believe was planted by the police after being extracted from an evidence room — found in six places on Halbach’s vehicle, but DNA from his sweat was also found on a hood latch. >According to an Appleton Post Crescent article from 2006, Avery planned the fantasy torture and killing of a young woman while in prison. >History of animal abuse. Covered a cat in gasoline and threw it onto a bonfire.
>>64744113 >it's a "I just read about Kratz's statements about another 5 pieces of prosecutor evidence just as easily debunked as the rest were in the documentary but now I KNOW Steven is GUILTY" comment
>>64744113 >Avery not only called Auto Trader and specifically requested Halbach to take pictures the day she was killed, but he also gave a false name when he did so. He called her on the date of their appointment and they had worked before. He didn't give a fake name because the name he used was of his sister who sold the car.
>>64744113 >Parts of Halbach’s body were found burned in Avery’s fire pit. Which had been moved >Evidence of Avery’s involvement was found inside his home. Like?? >There is DNA evidence tying the bullet found in the Avery garage to Halbach. The only bit of DNA evidence found in the room in which she was supposedly killed >>Avery was the last known person to see Halbach alive. >Police found her car, with blood on it and in it, left on the Avery family’s lot. So he was careful enough to not get any of her DNA inside his bedroom, or garage but was stupid enough to smear blood all over her car >Avery’s high-school age cousin, Brendan Dassey, confessed that he had assisted his uncle in murder of Halbach. Did you watch the confession? Did you hear his conflicting statements? >Bullet found had Hallbach's DNA as well as being tied to his firearm Incorrect, William Newhouse could not connect the gun to the bullet. Only the bullet to a .22 firarm. There was no evidence on the gun >Admitted to owning shackles, handcuffs, leg irons, which were used on the victim Not illegal to own and no evidence they were used on victim >Her car key is found inside his house, not only that, but was covered in Avery's sweat Her key had no DNA except Avery's, not even her own DNA. Also was not dusted for prints >According to an Appleton Post Crescent article from 2006, Avery planned the fantasy torture and killing of a young woman while in prison. Not illegal, thought police >History of animal abuse. Covered a cat in gasoline and threw it onto a bonfire. Done decades previously and not a prerequisite for murder
It's good to know that when the cops find a murdered woman's body burned up in my yard and my DNA all over the crime scene all I have to say is "HURR DURR THE COPS PLANTED IT ALL" and Reddi- I mean, 4chan will come riding to my rescue like the brave white knights they are.
>>64744226 If the cops didnt move the burnt body then why were burnt bone fragments found in three different locations? If they diddnt plant the blood then how did it get there whitout leaving any fingerprints?
>>64743157 someone definitely moved the remains(she was clearly burned in the quarry) to steven's place, either the cops or the killer(if steven's innocent, if he did it, he would have just left her at the quarry as stupid people no matter how dangerous keep things as simple as they can)
>>64743721 No one reasonable suggests that the cops moved the bones. SAs defense didnt either. If the bones were moved, which seems likely, it was moved by someone other than the police. I think this admittedly speculative trail leads to Bobby dassey.
There is literally a mountain of physical of evidence pointing to Steven Avery. We know he tortured animals. We know two other women signed affidavits accusing him of rape. We know he threatened to kill and mutilate his wife. We know he threatened his cousin in the middle of the road with a gun.
But noooo... It's not Avery. It's his neighbor Bobby for whom there is no evidence whatsoever.
Tell me, you dumb motherfuckers. Considering we know Brendan's brother Blaine was home until like 5 and they both saw Teresa's van when they got off the bus at 3:30 and Steven was home all that time, how the fuck did Bobby get Teresa away from everyone to kill her?
I wish all you retarded Junior Net Detectives would fucking kill yourself.
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