Best sci-fi show in a long time. Prove me wrong.
what is /tv/'s opinion of this new series?
I felt in love with this show as soon as i saw the intro:
>space cop gets fucking impaled to a wall for god knows how long
>nobody bats an eyelid
>It would have been nice...to see an ocean on Mars.
>hand signs intensifies
Jesus, can you imagine the amount of total autism there would be if this show gets very popular? The nerds will be handsigning all the time. Conventions would be 20 times more awkward to see vids from.
Best show since the BSG or the tail end of the syndicated Sci-fi of the 1990s.
Not that it AMAZING, but even good sci fi has been really rare on TV in the last decade.
Yea, I had read the book but it still shocked me that they did it like that.
I had a moment of great sadness when I found out Amos background while reading the 2nd book.
Like Damn-fuck I now even hate Baltimore more.
I personally prefer Killjoys even though The Expanse is much higher quality. I don't know what it is but I like Kill Joys really resonated with me even though there's so many terrible and corny parts.
I agree. The internet provides an outlet for the kind of, for lack of better term, nerdiness that would otherwise build up into a cult-like fandom.
Farscape was the last thing to have a chance at that kind of following, but the internet becoming more mainstream and Sci-Fi canning it popped that bubble.
Dark Matter is okay, and with the lack of (space) scifi shows of somewhat acceptable quality in recent years it might be even be great, but it's leagues behind the Expanse for me. Same goes for Killjoys.
I'm not one for calling plot armor but I was pretty confident they weren't going to explode in that scene.
you can always learn - Xetamang tili du xeta
Yeah - I finished the first book and I am about 2/3 way though the 2nd book. 2nd book is better then the first so far.
Mars is a dead planet. Always has been, always will be. You just keep dreaming about terraforming under your domes with your dicks in your hands if that makes you feel better. But the hard truth is that even your great-grandkids will never see Mars terraformed. They won't even share your dream of a terraformed mars as it will be forgotten as a closed-minded daydream. For why would your children stay on that rock if the stars are open to them?
A lot of that has to do with word building though. Modern sci fi is pretty much sucks at it because of its focus on grim dark. Proper world building almost always contains elements of fantasy otherwise their is no motivation to escape into it. TNG has an enlightened human race and technology that was so advanced it bordered on magic. What does the expanse have? Political struggles and white trash in space. What potential is there for cosplay. Most if not all the characters are assholes. What incentive is there for anyone to be THAT emotionally invested in the universe.
True, but since they can die, there is some tension.
Yea, big red is awesome. I wonder who they will cast for that.
>No more /spash/
So, the series follows unusually hard physics right?
Like every ship operates under the same basic principles as the Apollo program, meaning the main limitations to movement in space are in fact fuel capacity and human endurance and therefore every movement (especially acceleration and deceleration) has to be carefully planned and executed over a very long period of time.
So how were the ships that attacked the Martians so nimble? I could've sworn I saw them doing some wheeling X-wing type bullshit that should have both emptied their gas tanks and splatted their pilots.
I will say that Leviathan Wakes is good, but you can tell it was a first time effort. Caliban's War is a real page turner.
They made them all much worse than the book. It's annoying as hell. Makes me not want to watch, but I'm hungry for humans fucking up our first growth into space on TV. Love that sub genre, be it Gundam, Cherryh, or most anything else that's dabbled with it.
There is a "magic handwaving" that means that though a technology advance (the Epstein drive) which is very efficient. Thus, larger ships can do stead .5 g or 1 g burns for days at a time. Which means the solar system is open, but going beyond it requires something like what the Mormons are building.
Nope. Every ship is built vertically like a Buck Rogers rocket, the "artificial gravity" is just them being held down by their own acceleration and the minute they stop accelerating everybody floats. Long journeys are accomplished by accelerating halfway there, then turning 180 degrees and decelerating the rest of the way there.
Yeah, but that still means the guys who attacked the Martians, as soon as they overshot the target, should have taken days to turn around and pursue them again instead of being right back up their ass?
The only reason why they have "artifical gravity" is by spinning or maintaining gravity though the drives giving thrust. When the ships are not moving they have to click on their mag-boots. (Thus the red light on the boot)
No, as they were at the start of the episode burning to slow down. thus the retaliative speed between the ships was not great.
Also, they slowed down, everyone fired torps, and then started to Rail gun each other while their self defense cannons were operating.
Did you stop on the 1st or 2nd episode? the 3-5 episodes have been excellent.
Well he is a 50 something drunk detective
who gets fired and then goes off the deep end before joining with his waifu on venus
my God realistic types of space battles are just overwhelming. Being in the navy or starfleet must be so boring. I'm more of a star wars type of space battles, huge lasers and lots and lots of starfighters
Because he is a twat. He's a burned out cop with odd ideas and odder fashion sense. He's an outsider to all; he's Belter born but works for an Earth corp, and cares about the people but knows he's just one guy and can't stop an entirely conflict by himself. He's fucked up. That's why he attaches himself to the idea of Julie, because he thinks that he's weak, and admires her.
I just recall, and it's been a very long time, him being a sort of "grey area" cop in the books. As in you have to bend the rules to do the right thing. In the show he just seems like a corrupt ass.
Same with the Cant crew too. They didn't want to stop to investigate the distress call really, but they did with a groan. In the show they try to hide it and ignore it.
Wouldn't be days if their delta of their relativistic speeds to each other was small. Overshooting a target would indicate poor planning when both ships can burn at 1g for days at a time.
It was clearly stated that the ships were burning to slow down to engage.
The Cant crew was altered. Then again, in the books the crew got along from the get go, and the writers of the show spent a episode having tension between them.
Miller is not that modified, if anything, he softer in the show as he does not kill the landlord who refuses to do the filters right. While in the books he tells his partner how no belter gives a shit about a guy who scrimps on the environmental controls.
that what I thought it was a troll. Thanks
Though they are in a pickle in book 2 right now were I am at.
>earth marine armor
>some overalls and a flak jacket lmao
If you haven't read this, get in there. It's all of seven pages, it's a short story set 150 years before the show so you know it's spoiler-free, and it very clearly sets up key pieces of the physics and technology used in the show and the horrifying bullshit everybody has to suffer through and be threatened by absolutely every time they fly in this setting.
Its quite good so far.
Episode 1 and 2 are ...eh
3-5 have been excellent.
Nigga there was literally an alien in the first minute of the first episode
Also since I am the resident webm guy. Any requests?
let me make more with the marines.
and here comes the MCRN marines and the unknown attackers
Felt like better quality of episodes, the story is more intriguing, some characters seem interesting as well. At least these 5 episodes.
Note I'm a sucker for anything science fiction and space related tho.
Don't get me wrong, I like the show, it just doesn't shock me that modern sci fi fails to generate cult status. The settings are generally mundane and there isn't much for the reader to speculate about other than plot twists. I mean look at BSG, last big modern sci fi hit and what do they have? Cylons? Fucking that's it? Living ships and cyborgs? Several seasons of living ships and cyborgs? Star Trek had tons of different planets with different cultures and different species. Same with Farscape. I'm not saying alien diversity is the penultimate sign of quality sci fi, it's just grimdark sci fi leaves little to the imagination which leads to less replay value, conversation, culture, etc.
Forgot to post this ...so here a new one.
>31 billion people on earth
>literally 4.25 times the current population
>current population of greater tokyo 37.8m
>future population of greater tokyo 160.6m
>los angeles 18.5m, future 78.6m
>nyc 23.5m, future 99.9m
>london 14m, future 59.5m
I think the other thing is that viewership is much more balkanized.
TNG would have 15-20 million people watch it, since there was only 13 channels. that LOST numbers. Now they are getting 500-1 million and are happy.
Sadly ungrounded, too. With current birthrates we're going to peak at 9 or 10 billion mid-century and then decline indefinitely.
In particular Tokyo will DEFINITELY be depopulated, there won't be 160 million people in the entirety of Japan, let alone that city.
I wonder how many of those millions are on Basic?
No reason to believe every city grew at exactly the same rate. More likely urban buildup continued along transit routes and out over former suburbs.
True enough but trends don't necessarily last forever, it's making the same mistake as the population only grows crowd to believe the projected leveling off of human population is some kind of endgame. A substantial drop in population might be exactly the catalyst that gets it growing again.
Also we know they have some kind of pro-birth tax-incentive.
Miller and Julie Maois a alpha? and male?
Any book readers care to tell me how close this follows the books? I understand they are probably compressing the story but is it right?
We haven't seen much of her acting, but I will say they got the look right that I had for a mostly Asian woman from Luna.
The problem with every exponential birthrate projection are the huge numbers of factors that are simply ignored. Like how even the most optimistic of projections won't allow for the middle kingdom to support 4-6 billion people. Then you have to factor the cultural alterations even 2 billion chinese would have. Japan is seeing a situation where its a female controlled breeding market, as a result most men simply aren't getting sex.
population nubmers of 10+ billion all go back to the mouse utopia experiments, in which in absence of any hard mitigating factors (food, space, even currency), soft (or cultural for lack of a better word) factors become what limit population to manageable figures.
In short, societal collapse due to overpopulation is a complete and total fucking myth perpetuated by idiots.
actually right now they are NOT compressing the books, thus I don't see how they will finish book 1 in 10 episodes.
Changed the navigator to a blond
almost all of episode 2 is not in the books
Chrisjen Avasarala (earth political woman) doesn't appear till book 2.
Anderson station didn't quite happen the way in the novel
the landlord who almost thrown out of the airlock WAS thrown out of the airlock, but Miller was telling his partner it.
The Havlock plot-line is not the same (He not almost killed, no qt hooker)
Also, my understanding is that they aren't fitting the whole of the first book into the first season. I imagine book one will be wrapped up by mid season two.
The first season is still going to have one fucking whammy of an ending though if they're finale'ing where I think they are.
I can see a few really good points to make a cliffhanger.
finding Julie (most this is where I think it will end) the moment of deadspace getting off Eros
but I really think
finding Juliewill be one hell of a hammerthrow.
In that case there's literally no way they're adapting every book because A: It'd take 20 fucking years and B: SyFy contractually cancels every scripted series on Season 5 now.
Theres a few things I dont understand:
Does Earth need water too? How the fuck?
Whats up with the hand signs on Ceres?
How is Mars a threat when they are literally protected by fucking glass?
They need to hurry then.
Though I will say
I really hope they can do Eros this season. Will be fun to people reaction to it.
Normally they don't get to season 5. I will be happy to get what we get.
there area few, but some
3 and 4 are great.
A: No, they desalinate their asses off.
B: Belters spend so much of their lives in space suits that hand signals got canonized into their language.
C: Mars has a massive fleet of highly advanced and heavily armed ships, they can kill everyone on Earth just as easily as Earth could wipe them out.
Okay so how Earth has any grip on Mars?
Id assume Mars is generally closer to Ceres, and they obviously need its water more than Earth, so why does Earth care about the belt at all?
>Does Earth need water too? How the fuck?
Less than Mars, but a bit. They use it in their ships for manoeuvring thrust.
>Whats up with the hand signs on Ceres?
Spaceman culture. They need body language you can express while wearing a bulky spacesuit.
>How is Mars a threat when they are literally protected by fucking glass?
The domes are actually underground, but accelerate a tungsten blob to sufficient speed and anywhere can be taken out just the same. Mars's martial capabilities are basically the result of better science and engineering. They're not stagnant, like Earth. They have fewer ships, but better ones.
>Does Earth need water too? How the fuck?
They don't need water, they need the mineral resources. Earth does need Ceres water for projects like Luna. (It cheaper energy wise to ship water from Ceres to the moon then earth to the moon.) but they mostly need it for all the metals and so on the belt gives earth.
>Whats up with the hand signs on Ceres?
Belters have a language and hand signs that developed from working on spacesuits all the time. it cultural shift from earth.
>How is Mars a threat when they are literally protected by fucking glass?
Earth can be hit by big rocks too. Mars is independent and has a strong navy. Both mars and Earth are competing for the Belt and moons on Jupiter and Saturn. Mars wants resources to support its taraforming. Earth wants to support its 30 plus billion people. Many of who are welfare folks.
Mars is much more high tech then Earth, just has a smaller navy and manpower size.
Earth is completely running out of materials like tungsten and molybdenum that are rich in the asteroids and on Mars. Mars needs water from the asteroids.
Mars is *nearly* self-sufficient but still depends on Earth for certain natural resources in the medium and long term.
Earth doesn't really have any grip on Mars anymore. It used to, but Mars invented the Epstein drive, and shared it with Earth in exchange, effectively, for independence. Why worry about Mars, they reason, when the mineral-rich Belt is now opened up?
I wonder if they
are going to the Anubis before Eroswith those titles.
Mars is independent. Both Earth and Mars have large fleets. Both mars and earth want to control the belt.
Okay so I got another question, not so related with the show:
"Gravity" on ships is generated by it moving. So Id assume the faster it moves the more "gravity" it generates. If it moves to fast, could it crush the people inside? Whats the limit it can move, considering we have pilots on earth piloting crafts that reach the speed of sound?
Miller fights with the OPA, Holden and crew deal with Fred. Ship is retrofitted with the tanks
Miller is fired for not getting the OPA scum. Crew finds out about the Anubis
Miller tries to salvage his life after being fired, Crew explores the Anubis
Miller goes to Eros to follow up on Julie, Crew looks at Anubis logs and go to Eros, find Julie.
Leaving Episode 10 for
better living though protomolecule
>If it moves to fast, could it crush the people inside?
This is a very important plot point that will only become more and more important as the series goes along. "Death by too fast" and "Death by too fast and then suddenly too slow" are probably more common ways to bite it than getting your fuckin' head railgunned off.
The first Trek series and first Star Wars movie both had shitty world building. They succeeded because they were the first scifi brands to really score big on their respective mediums. The world building only came later when sequels and subsequent series tried to hammer the their respective settings into a coherent shape
Yep, too many gs and you will pass out. Even fighter pilots cannot survive Gs for too long. They do have drugs to deal with it in the book, but they can still be damaged. Lopez in the show/Kelly in the book dies due to the G forces causing his injuries to worsen.
So when a ship finishes getting the speed it wants, if it stops accelerating then its back to 0g? Even with the ship moving?
That would make the show retarded because then theyre accelerating forever and eventually would reach kill speeds.
And the deadliest thing about The Expanse's STL travel.
To the extent that the dickhead who invented the setting's magic interplanetary engines JUST went 5% of the speed of light and ended up like this.
Generally the ships burn at a fraction of G (say .3g for mars gravity) and half way they turn around and start to slow down.
What do you mean by "Kill speed?" if you accelerate at 1g you not going to die from the speed, unless you hit something...
No. The ship accelerates to the speed it wants halfway along on a long journey, then spends the entire second half decelerating again.
Later a VERY deadly weapon is introduced that can instantly decelerate ships.
Aw man, I was doing a Socratic method thing. I thought if I could get him to investigate and come up with a number, and fail to, he might realise that his brain is made of raspberry jelly.
I am retarded, by the way
Regardless, how do you measure gravity then in a moving but not accelerating spaceship? Or is there no gravity in this situation?
if it's not accelerating then yes it is back to 0g. "Gs" are a measure of acceleration. since you seem to be new to physics, here's a mindfucker for ya. if you are in an enclosed vessel travelling at a constant 10mph, 100mph, or even 100000mph, there's no way for you to know that you're even moving. speed is relative
Nope. The instant acceleration ends, the ship is still hurtling forward at the same speed, but there is no longer any gravity inside the ship.
All artificial gravity in the setting is created by a ship accelerating, then turning backwards and decelerating. All of the ships are build vertically for this purpose, like tall office buildings.
Read in one of the previous threads that in the Expanse universe, the population of Mars was 9 billion...
To put that in perspective, that's almost 2 billion more people than are on Earth alone right now... on a much smaller planet with no oceans, no arable land, etc.
So how the fuck is Mars able to support that many people? Supposedly they live in domed and underground cities, but really? It's a planet without breathable atmosphere, how the fuck can they support 9 billion people when right now on Earth with all the land and resources we have at our disposal we cannot even support ourselves?
Is it a typo or something, is it supposed to be 9 million?
One assumption would be that their underground cities are very, very vertical, mile-long shafts with thousands of heavily populated floors.
The planet might be populated almost all the way to it's core.
If a ship is not accelerating or de-accelerating you would be in a microgravity situation. To all but scientific instruments it would appear that you would be in weightlessness.
The two ways you can produce gravity like effects is by using acceleration to mimic gravity, or using spin to mimic gravity.
you're getting all jumbled about Gs. the GRAVITY is artificial, generated by lmaospacetech to simulate normal earth gravity aka 1g aka 32.2ft/s^2. when they talk about a maneuver at say 10g's, it means they are experiencing an acceleration that is numerically equal to 10 times the Earths gravity or 322ft/s^2. a "g" is just a more convenient unit for acceleration, and the force experienced during spess maneuvers is unrelated to whatever artificial gravity they may or may not have
Shit man now that you touched that I have a real final question, or rather a request: How does that spin generated gravity works?
When the ship was spinning all around in ep 5 I was a bit confused. I assumed it needed to spin in a specific way.
Isn't building a generation ship with no fucking idea that there's an inhabitable planet at the far end of it unbelievably retarded?
Not letting the Mormons fly away in that godamn thing is probably saving their lives.
Their entire theory seems to be about as solid as the Bright Brotherhood from Fallout.
If it's spinning at the right speed, the "gravity" is inertia sticking you to the wall of the barrel. If the barrel is big enough (as in multiple km in diameter), this will feel like perfectly comfortable solid ground to you instead of like a shitty amusement park ride.
Mormons have a lot of money spent on investigating that earth, mars and others have not.
Also, it not any more insane then what settled Polynesia. (Family groups sailing off over the horizon with a percentile chance of finding land that they could use.)
centripetal acceleration. like the ship in Interstellar. spinning around a point creates an acceleration radially outward, like trying to hold on to one of these unruly faggots when they're spinning. math it up and you can make it equal to whatever gravity you want.
The scenario described in The Expanse is perfectly viable, colonizing everything in the solar system that's not too hot, too radioactive or too high pressure.
We might even be able to hit a couple other stars in generation ships, or as crazy cyborg posthumans.
The problem with the vastness of the universe and no physics-breaking hyperdrive or warp magic is....
The universe didn't cheat to get out there in the first place. You see a star millions of light years away? It got that far away by flying for billions of years. Once upon a time it was right on top of us along with all the other matter in the galaxy, and by science fiction standards it didn't really fly away from us *THAT* fast.
It just flew for fucking unimaginable ages, and it's still flying.
Any theoretical stuff about wormholes or quantum vibrations or space folding is really wishful bullshit.
But if we assume humans dont run out of resources, maybe we will conquer some of it in a few thousand years or so.
Shit would all be disconnected from each other but we would have gone far
Definitely, but aside from the constant to-and-fro ferrying in the name of adventure necessitated by a novel, at massive expense we could pretty much chuck people at every rock in the solar system right now with existing chemical engines.
If I could wax philosophical for a second, isn't it kind of horrifying to contemplate how nothing in existence is actually still or solid, and it only appears to be by some fault of our limited perspective?
We're sitting on a planet spinning around at thousands of miles per hour and hurtling in circles around a star that's spinning at thousands of miles per hour and hurtling around a galaxy and the fucking galaxy is spinning at thousands of miles an hour and hurtling around God knows what and the only reason the innumerable amount of giant circular pieces of shit haven't all smashed each other into atoms billions of years ago is because they're actually so fucking far apart that 99.9999999999% of everything in between them is just empty space.
And yet if you put a soda can on a table, that motherfucker sits right there with no visible movement instead of instantly whipping off and knocking a bloody hole through your ribcage.
It's the easiest thing to ignore for fiction's sake in a Star Wars "airplanes in space" type scenario but it's quite possibly the most important concept in existence in the real universe.
Our very existence as electrically charged, fluid filled sacks of brittle calcium sticks doesn't really make any fucking sense at all in that kind of scale and context, and the more I contemplate it the more it drives me nuts.
I don't feel dumb at all. There's a difference between being intellectually aware of something and actually visualizing it because the average person is very poorly equipped to begin to rationalize something so large, so fast or so old.
I don't have much of a physics background, yet none of the concepts in The Expanse are completely new to me, yet I've never totally contemplated them before.
>actually right now they are NOT compressing the books, thus I don't see how they will finish book 1 in 10 episodes.
That's the point, if they don't complete LW before the end of season 1 there's still a reason for you to go out and buy it between seasons.
>And yet if you put a soda can on a table, that motherfucker sits right there with no visible movement
There's a reason for that.
We are only affected acceleration not velocity, it's like when inside an airplane you can feel it taking off but you cant feel it when it reached flight speed.
The earth, the sun, and the galaxy is not accelerating they are all moving at a constant speed and you should be glad for that.
But they're the best part of this show.
Not really, I guess I was just hoping it'd be more tolerable.
There was one scene near the end of the first episode where they're getting ready to go to the distress signal, and they're inside that small ship which appears to not have gravity in it(Implied by their gravity boot things, magnetic I guess?).
I can get over the fact that they're basically just walking normally, but then they place down some bags and start rifling through them, the bags just sit there unaffected by 0g, along with all the gear inside of them. Maybe we can just assume those bags have the same technology as their boots, but it still annoyed me a bit. Mainly because of the boots being shown and making sounds at the start of this scene which sets up the whole 0g scenario. If they just didn't have the boots at all I could have simply assumed magic sci fi artificial gravity and I never would of thought twice about any of it.
The 0g shakycam nonsense is silly as well, and fuck that god damn fedora on the detective.
With all that said I'm still going to watch more of it since supposedly it gets better in the later episodes.
The show has better standards and story then Dark Matter then the bounty hunter's one, tho they are okay in their own right, and is compfy as hell.
Just wish they wouldnt get abandoned by SyFy after 1-2 seasons and forgoten, just let the show runners have their 5 or so seasons - however many needed to follow up the books completely.
>the bags just sit there unaffected by 0g,
The scene in 2001 where the lunch tray takes off is wrong. Things will actually stay where they are put in microgravity.
There have been regular threads over recent weeks, one of which reached the bump limit. No live watch thread though. It turns out almost no one can actually watch the show live.