>Disney failed

Based China

inb4 fanboys pretending global market doesnt count

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>shitposters have to resort to chem huffing subhumans to get their dicks hard

chinks had point break get its money back

>star cucks literally thought it could beat Avatar
>they unironically thought this
>all those "Cameron btfo" threads
>all this damage control now

This is why disney made every character in rogue 1 a chink

>Won't even beat Titanic

JIMBO WILL RAISE THE TITANIC AND CRUSH DISNEY WORLD WITH IT.

>>64711592
jimbo is a jew cuck, there is an avatar world coming to disney

not even kidding

DISNEYKEKS on suicide watch.

>>64711396

Star Wars isn't big in China. The OT never showed there back in the day, and a screening of it last year drew anemic response.

>>64711396
>failed

At what? I've not been following this Star Wars stuff. Did they say they expected a certain amount of money in China?

>>64711667

China confirmed for patrician audience?

>>64711396
Episode VIII FUCKING GUARANTEED to have at least one chink moon faced character.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Ridley is "transformed' by the force 5 minutes in into a gook

>>64711396

>Hey let's put a nigger there, what can possibly go wrong, right?

BRAVA, JEW JEW, BRAVA

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>>64711396
Apparently the chinese are smarter than Jew Jar Abrams' cock gobbling westerners.

>>64711622
Jim is the antijew.

He's been cucking the jews for years.

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>>64711716
>>64711746
>Chinese
>patrician
>smart

pic related, point break box office

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>smart people on /tv/ telling retard disneyfags this over and over again because their retarded nostalgia blinded them

>keep telling them that China just fucking got star wars and won't watch a film with a black guy and a female as the lead

>they keep shitposting about how it will beat avatar

>ignore the 49/51 split star wars had before china came out

>ignore that star was would have to make 600 million in china to beat avatar

>are too stupid to understand why avatar was in theaters for months

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>$53m

>>64711729
Doesn't matter for the record after this point.

None of the Star Wars movies of the next 10 years will top TFA's gross.

>>64711796

Better get used to it friendo, they are going to dominate world culture with their shit taste for the next few centuries.

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>>64711805
>Furious 7

b-based c-china

This is what you get for pushing your stupid social agendas. With that shit all the marketing in the fucking world can't help you beat Cameron.

>>64711831
>dominate world culture

>life expectancy of 40

sure

>>64711805
I thought /tv/ said China doesn't like niggas how did furious 7 do so good over there?

>>64711396
BASED CHINA
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>>64711799
My favourite is "Avatar/Titanic only made so much money because they were in theatres for so long"

A close second is "Who cares? Disney has already made back half of its investment with the gross of TFA alone"

>>64711880
I haven't seen it but aren't the main characters The Rock, Vin Diesel and a CGI version of Paul Walker? None of them are black.

Oh no this successful movie didn't get as much money as these other successful movies :[

I don't know why you fucks give a shit how many millions are going into whose pocket.

>>64711805
STAR FAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH

BASED JIM IS UNTOUCHABLE

>>64711396
Even chinamen can tell this movie is a pile of shit.

Why do you faggots care so much about this? Unless you have some sort of financial stake in it you are a fucking loser for caring.

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>>64711805
>Avengers #2

LOL CHINA LOVES DISNEY

AHAHAHAHHA JIMFAGS

>>64711922
The Rock is dark enough, and who cares if none are main characters? There's still like 4 shitskins

>>64711396
>Disney failed

>Avengers is #2 Chinese movie opening of ALL TIME

>>64711805

>biggest movie release (probably of all time)
>marketed to fuck and back (even more than age of ultron)
>still can't beat avatar
>won't even beat titanic either
Let's stop and laugh at the 'people' who doubted James 'Based Jim' Cameron

>>64711924
Kek

Get off that ledge starcuck!

>>64711880

Chinks like cars

>>64711992
>The Rock is dark enough to be a nigger

Nah. And no one opposed Sam Jackson or Billy Dee Williams in Star Wars because they were side characters. Everyone opposed Boyega because he's part of the main trio and happens to look halfway between a gorilla and a human.

>>64711922
The rock is half black/samoan and I'm pretty sure vin diesel got some black in him too

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>Disney stock down 11% since SW released, twice the DJ average
>Market cap dropped by $18bn
Complete failure

>>64711805
Holy shit the chinks have bad taste. Furious is literally a twelve year old masturbating

>>64711805
>Monster Hunt clearly a rip off of Monster Hunter
Why is China so great?

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>>64712037
>disney couldn't boat one original film made 2 fucking decades ago

>>64712122
>That guy on /tv/ that bought disney stocks before star wars

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>>64712342
>original film

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>>64711952
SAY MY NAME

>>64712341
Yeah, this family adventure movie with CGI mascots clearly rips off some B horror nobody ever heard of. You retarded, son?

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We're all behind you, based China. Tell all your friends that there is much more dindu than marketing made your people believe.

>>64711922
>>64711992
- China fucking loves cars. In fact, they love them too much so there are many accidents and monstrous rush hours
- The Rock is charismatic as fuck. He's so cool that he made it on the WWF/E, despite its long history of racism and burying non-white wrestlers. Also, he became a movie star despite being known as a wrestler, not even Hulk fucking Hogan could do it.

>>64711716
Lmao if it's not dumbed down Transformers blockbuster shit they don't want to know about it. They don't want any representation of themes and feeling, they just want an escape from their mind-numbing creativity vacuum culture. Not saying Star Wars is a complicated film or anything, but it wasn't mindless drivel, so it's not a huge surprise.

Also apparently they don't like black people, so there's that too

>>64712819
this

China is a literal hell, they barely feel anything day to day, so only the most ACTIONY ACTION shit gets to them

t. I lived there

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How the prequels performed on China?

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>Can't top Titanic.

>No hope of beating Avatar

It's okay Disney. You're competing with God.

>>64711805

I sat through Journey To The West last night.

Fucking Stephen Chow...I know he's Chinese, but caving into the Chinese audience and making the dumbest movie of your career...that was painful to witness.

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>>64713116
>competing with god

god sold out a long time ago

>>64712269
Furious 7 is literally a better movie than TFA.

There was more emotional depth in that carshit than there was in JJ's assembly line movie.

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He is untouchable!

>>64711912

>only made so much money because they were in theaters so long

literally

>only made so much money because they were so popular

I'm confused. Do they not think if TFA was generating the sort of tiny week to week percentage drops Avatar and Titanic made, it wouldn't keep playing for just as long?

>>64711396

Because they hate niggers over there. Wasn't it obvious with that poster edit?

They don't want black culture shitting up their pure, human lives are just numbers culture.

>passed a literal meme film along with some other mediocre as fuck films manchildren like or some shit
Why does everyone have to have such shit taste

>>64712519
please tell me this is a porn, please tell me i can see her get fucked. please give me a source

>>64713203
>emotional depth

Kek, I dont care how shit TFA was it still is better than that trash

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>>64711396

STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS BIGGEST OPENING IN CHINESE HISTORY!!!

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/645637-star-wars-the-force-awakens-is-now-the-3-movie-of-all-time#/slide/1

Avaturd opened to $8 million in China

TFA OPENS TO $53 MILLION

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

GET REKT CAMERON CUNTS!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

>>64711396
Poor Finn is never waking up from his coma now.

>>64711847
>pushing your stupid social agendas.
But Avatar was full of them.

>>64713290
>please tell me this is a porn
Yes
>please tell me i can see her get fucked
Yes
>please give me a source
LOL No, fuck off.

>>64713315

Avatards fucking REKT

Wow I guess those Chinks are a bunch of contrarians too, right reddit?

>>64713290
it is bro

Maybe if it was good it would have broken records.

>>64713191
Disney begged him for it.

>>64713315

OP ass raped while people point and laugh. Story at 11.

>>64713315
How much of a fag would one have to be to buy that shit?

>>64713372
It's not really contrarian since they make up a third of the planet.

>>64713338
Yes but it was full of 'muh indians muh military is evil' agendas that people talk about to show everyone how progressive they are instead of more real 'muh black lives matter' agendas.

>>64713315
JIMFAGS BTFO

Ofc TFA did bad in china.

Chinamen hate strong women and are deathly afraid of blacks.

>>64713372
>>64713381
>>64713403
Reddit

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Pick your Sith name

>>64713315

Literally cannot be stopped. Even I said wow. Cameron is in big trouble. Be afraid Jim, be very afraid.

>>64713462
rollin

>>64713245

someone on /tv/ literally fucking said

>they can just keep showing it in theaters for months to catch up!

not fucking understanding why movies are fucking removed from theaters

>>64713462
darth treason

>>64713315

Based China.

>>64713462
Lets see

>>64713514
TRIGGERED!

>>64711674
Okay kid

>>64713443

>Hate strong women

The Chinese are new to Kino. They need more realistic story elements like flying cars and talking cats otherwise they can't maintain the suspension of disbelief.

Once they become more cine-litterate, we can introduce outlandish elements like strong and capable women and intelligent blacks.

>>64713315

I can practically taste James Cameron's bitter tears and feel his impotent rage.

>>64713462
roll

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>>64713462
Rollan

>>64713462
rolling

STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS BIGGEST OPENING IN CHINESE HISTORY!!!

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/645637-star-wars-the-force-awakens-is-now-the-3-movie-of-all-time#/slide/1

Avaturd opened to $8 million in China

TFA OPENS TO $53 MILLION

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

GET REKT CAMERON CUNTS!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

>>64713462
rolo tony brown town

>>64712819
Mindless drivel is exactly what TFA was.

i don't understand the fascination with box office takes on this board, do you people hold stock in rival film studios?

>>64713312
>implying TFA wasn't the exact same kind of trash

>>64713462
rolling

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>>64711396

Why are Star Wars nerds so obsessed with beating box office records? They won't get any money off of it and it won't make the movie be any better.

>>64711396
>>64711396
>>64711396

thank fucking god I'm doing a semester abroad in china. fuck this gay earth where a generic piece of shit movie is number 3 (and number 1)

>>64711622
It's been planned for years. He used Disney because he doesn't want to manage the whole world he planned to build.
Yes a fucking world.
Go look up some 10 min doc about the avatar world he envisioned as a theme "park".
It's like Jurassic Park in real life, he wanted floating rocks aswell.

>>64713781

>le wrong generation xDDD

You do realize that Reddit is blocked in China?

>>64713781
Yeah, you're more of an Avengers 2 and Furious 7 kind of person.

>>64713685
Star Fags couldn't stop talking about how TFA was going to be the biggest movie of all time.

Now they're getting BTFO.

>>64713781
>>64713777
Why are /tv/ autists such contrarians?

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china doesnt fall for jew tricks

if there was no nigger it would have been a hit

>>64713191
Who else would host it it's fucking huge and has been known for years, are you this new?

>>64713315
>Star Wars: The Force Awakens is also now the highest-grossing Disney release of all-time in Russia
JIMFAGS BTFO

Jimbag Camwhoreon

I bet Lucas is crying himself to sleep every night with jealousy lol

>>64713462
roll

>>64713814

who gives a shit? I never visit that shit anyway. hopefully, even facebook is banned although I keep on seeing people posting shit from over there

>>64713840

>tfw huge fan of phase 1
>eager to see avengers
>eat that shit up like a good boy
>after leaving the theater, realise that it was a piece of shit movie

one of the worst MCU movies, jesus christ

everybody knows that furious 7 is mediocre though, even though passing the 1 billion mark

>>64713850

>Why are /tv/ autists such contrarians?
>Why do people on this board have own opinions?

ftfy you pathetic mongoloid

>>64711472
I don't think a movie "fails" or "succeeds" based on how well it panders to chinks. Movies already extremely profitable, and well-received critically and through audience scores. Nobody is saying that "global market doesn't count," but the fact that a movie didn't beat Avatar in China shouldn't really be considered the standard for success. They like big stupid explodey movies.

>>64713462
Roll for Pavel because it literally is my name

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>>64714108
>tfw Darth Sheev

>>64714093
All that matters in this world is money, you stupid libcuck.

>>64711396
>B-B-But China isn't racist! They will watch a movie with a black lead

>>64711555
It already did beat Avatar in markets that matter. Nobody is arguing that Avatar wasn't better at making color-in-the-lines stories that look neat when you wear movie glasses.

>all this damage control now
For who? You're at the point where you have to resort to Chinese box office to argue that Star Wars hasn't been successful. You've moved the goalpost all the way to beijing.

>>64713462
wrole

>>64713462
Aight

>>64711762
Avatar is about evil white imperialists exploiting natives for their resources being defeated by a turncoat Dances with Wolvesman and his space indian fuckbros.

>>64711555
I'm really trying hard to understand this shit maymay. Everything wrong with SJWs and the lip service the media is paying them is ramped up to 11 in Abatap. That film is Anita Jewrkizian's wet dream, it's fuckin literally pandering to the liberal "le white man is evulz :D:D" crowd and you eat it up. I couldn't meme this hard if my life depended on it

>>64714256
>color-in-the-lines stories that look neat when you wear movie glasses.

that's literally what star wars is

i don't even like avatar but if you thought the force awakens wasn't aggressively mediocre focus-grouped warmed-over shit then you have terrible taste and need to watch more films

>>64714340
You do realize Star Wars main character is a turncoat too right? The story is even more bland and unoriginal than Avatar

>>64711823
Wanna bet bruh?

None of the Batman movies will top Batman Begins' gross.

None of the LOTR movies will top fellowship's gross.

None of Spider-Man's movies will top Spider-Man 1's gross.

None of the Die Hard movies will top Die Hard's gross.

None of the Iron-Man movies will top Iron-Man's Gross.

>>64713315
OP BLOWN THE FUCK OUT!!!! BTFOOOO!!!!!

>>64712819
>TFA wasn't mindless drivel

yes it was

i cannot wrap my head around the fact that people on this board will defend such a pandering, nostalgia-mining, lowest common denominator shitflick

>>64713178
>Not understanding the subtlety and thoughtful filmmaking behind every Stephen Chow film

Fucking plebs. You probably need all your shit handed in a plate with an explanation to understand it all, kid.

>>64714432
>If you don't agree with the meaningless unsubstantiated thing I've just said you don't watch enough movies.

OK fag. TFA was a Star Wars film. Avatar was Dances With Wolves + Fern Gully, and was ONLY successful because it revolutionized the 3d gimmick.

And only fucking retards think it's a valid response to criticize a person's film opinion by attacking their taste and demanding they "watch more films." Go to highschool faggot.

>>64714490
I'm responding to dude pretending Cameron somehow wasn't making "cuck" movies that are "antijew." Retard.

>>64714593
>i cannot wrap my head around...

Yeah, because you're retarded.

>WHY ISN'T EVERYONE AS MUCH OF A CONTRARIAN AUTIST AS I AM?!?!?

why do americans care so much about financial success ? here and on /v/ it's the same shit, half the threads are always about something being successful and the other half is about the same thing not being successful enough

>>64714540
None of those made what TFA is making. Star Wars will never have this hype again

>>64714887
It's always like that on children market. Children have few money to spend so they spend it on succcessful things because it feels more secure

>>64713315
>Worldwide, the only two movies still ahead of Star Wars: The Force Awakens are James Cameron’s Titanic ($2.187 billion) and Avatar ($2.788 billion)
>behind Titanic by $400,000,000 FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND THOUSAND
>behind Avatar by 1 billion ONE THOUSAND THOUSAND THOUSAND

>TFA made less money in China than in fucking aussieland
>only the biggest saturday opening
>only 53 million

>this is apparently what a jimfags btfo looks like

Not even a jimfag, but didneyc'ucks will go to any length to justify their shit moneygrab movie that couldn't even beat a PT-tier cgi pochahontas and a movie about people having sex on a boat.

>>64714540
TFA's gimmick was "the 1st Star Wars movie after a decade" and "come see a SW movie without George Lucas shitting up everything". And these are gone now that Disney will put out a movie a year.

Maybe Episode 9 can top it, since it's supposed to be the "grand finale", but don't hold your breath.

>>64711396
The fuck did they expect from a series that takes heavy influence from Japanese culture? You really think the Chinese wanna be reminded of how hard Japan raped them on the big screen?

>>64711880
Ludacris & Tyrese aren't marketed as the main stars

>>64713462
Rolland Emmerich

>>64714540
Look what JJ did with Star Trek

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>>64713462

>>64713462
Roll

>>64713462
Rolling for Darth Bush

>>64714540
>comparing the 7th movie in a franchise that has been established for 6 fucking films and 40+ years to the first film in a new franchise/movie IP

I never knew /tv/ was THIS fucking retarded.

>>64713462
rolling

>>64713620
>>64714593
No it wasn't. It had a large amount of action, but there were at least attempts at conveying human emotion. Regardless of whether you think they were superficial or ineffective, it did at least try to portray feeling. And that's why China wasn't interested; it wasn't non-stop action. At least in Avatar, the emotional moments had dope-ass blue cat people in a trippy jungle that looked cool in 3D. In TFA it was just people. They don't connect with that at all. They're in it for the visual element, nothing more.

>>64713462
rollin

>>64714864
>if someone didn't like The Meme Awakens they are a contrarian who is just pretending to not like it

daily reminder you are the lowest common denominator and you have peasant taste

>>64714795
literally watch more film

It made Disney a bunch of money, how did they fail?

>>64715400
Yeah nah. Star Wars is the kind of movie studio that is made with algorithms to make more money. After this amount of minutes there must be an action sequence, after this much lines there must be a joke. It's the opposite of a human movie. No decision about this movie was human

>>64714795
>TFA was a Star Wars film
You might as well say Diehard was a Diehard film

TFA wasn't "a SW film". It was a SW remake, as in the movie originally called Star Wars. People talk about it like it has the same atmosphere, but that's literally because they used the same character archetypes or in several cases the same characters, the same scenery, the same plot points and structure, the same everything. I can't believe I even have to say this anymore.

It was basically the same movie with slightly more "eh" acting and fewer practical effects.

>>64715400
objectively wrong

how much is disney paying you to shill aggressive mediocrity

>>64714191
But it did make money. A lot actually.

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>>64711895
>furious 7
>based

>>64714256
>markets that matter
Oh how convenient for you to arbitrarily draw the line right there. So much denial man. roflmao

HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

>>64715400
>they're just watching a visual medium for the visual element
Well... yeah?

And they may have tried to portray emotion, but most of it was lifted stright from the original and they still fucked it up.

That's almost the worst thing about this flick: even if you really wanted make a le soft reboot remake of ANH, you could've done a much better job.

>>64712819
>Also apparently they don't like black people, so there's that too
Just like the US then.

>>64715510
>>64715519
Again, your opinion about whether it worked is irrelevant. The point is, it TRIED to be human. It had too much of that to work in China. Furious 7 and Transformers didn't pretend to have any emotional moments, and when they did, they were brief and forgettable (besides the ending of Furious 7, but that was after all the action, so they could have probably just left the theater at that point).

>>64715519
I'm sure nobody is paying him. He simply doesn't know better. It's kind of sad, really.

>>64713462

If dubs: Darth Herrington

>>64712944
good question?

>>64715718
>DUDE IT TRIED AND THE OTHER SHIT FILMS THAT ARE EXACTLY LIKE IT TOTALLY DIDN'T LMAO

your hot opinions are duly noted

>>64715718
>The point is, it TRIED to be human

No it didn't. At all. It was a product of the studios. And JJ Abrams was a yes man

>>64713462
rolling

>>64711733
>>64713270
>>64714217
Fast Seven did well and that had numerous black characters. The Chinese simply
saw through all the marketing and hype to realize this movie as inferior. But then again they also liked Terminator Genisys and all the Transformers. It is hard to gauge them.

>>64715511

Cry about it faggot. Rather watch a Star Wars film than Dances with Fern Gully.

>>64714540
It has become "in" to like nerd culture or whatever. To many hipsters this is the first Star Wars movie they will have seen in theaters and will be the badge to show they are a true "nerd". Many of the people who saw the movie won't turn up for the sequels. The hype will have died down

>>64715609
It's made $1.7 billion dollars. It's broken all North American records. Not sure how pointing out that it's been overwhelmingly successful is "denial." You're the fags trying to act like China should be the arbiter for what makes a good or successful movie. They loved Furious 7.

Not to meniton TFA made $33 million on it's opening day in China. How much did avatar make on it's opening day in China?

>>64714795
>Implying people weren't attracted to the OT because of its impressive special effects at the time.

>>64716151
Why is it impossible for Star Kucks to make an argument that doesn't involve a comparison to Avatar? As if it's a question of either / or.

They're both shit flicks, get over it. You stating your preference for one shit flick over another shit flick does not change the fact that you have the taste of an autistic manchild.

>>64716151
I literally hate both of those films equally, but TFA is about as much of a SW film as a SW lunchbox is.
>yah it has all da characters and scense from da movie, straw wars iz bak xd!!!1!1!1!!1!L

>>64713462
let's roll!
>>64714108
Dr Pavel, I'm CIA.

>>64713462

Alright, rolling

Avatar was a gimmick, Force Awakens was a rehash of New Hope. Episode 7 will pass Titanic. Jimfags are insecure of their taste in film and Star cucks are being whiny faggots. In conclusion, shut the fuck up.

>>64712121
Vin Diesel may have black in him, but he most certainly isn't "black". Anyone you ask will call him white.

The Rock isn't black at all, he's Samoan.

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>>64713462
Rollin'

>>64713462
Rollan

BOYEGAAAAAAAAA

>>64716597
The Rock's dad is black google is your friend anon

>>64716715
The rocks dad is mixed as fuck, barely looks black.

>>64716344
Nobody said they weren't. Doesn't mean people didn't come back to Empire for the characters. Nobody gives a shit about Crippled AVatarman or Avatarlady. Nobody is debating where the Avatar sequels are going to go in the story, because nobody gives a flying uppity fuck. ALL it was was an event spectacle for the new, now-tired gimmick. Star Wars transcended the gimmick in the orig trig, and it's transcended the gimmicks in TFA, regardless of whether or not people on /tv/ continuously say "nuh uh."

>>64713462

Rollan Roll

>>64716773
Water is either muddy or it isn't.

>>64716362
This thread is literally about comparing Star Wars to Avatar. Do you not understand your surroundings? Why are you so retarded?

>>64711396
China hates Star Wars because there was a huge government funded anti-American propaganda movement when it came out where experts would scoff at banned American media and singled out Star Wars as a result of its success and science fantasy elements to illustrate how "foolish American tastes were."

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>>64716380
>I literally hate both of those films equally

Oh so you're just some emotional dipshit wasting your own time talking about things you don't "hate." Shave your neck.

>>64713462
rollerino

>>64717028
>Made $33 million on early reports of it's first day.
>Hates Star Wars
ok

>>64714915
>>64714994
>>64715196
>>64716265

See you in 2 years, dipshits.

>>64713462
rollllllinn

>>64712037
>won't even beat titanic either
It'll beat Titanic by the end of the February.

>>64711847
Yes, this. If this movie had a white male lead (something Japan, China, most of Europe, etc likes to see) alongside Finndu and Rey Mixer (old-ass Harrison Ford showning up for 20 minutes doesn't count) it would have made $3 billion by now.

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>>64712122
I expanded that out to see what it looked like on a longer timescale. Holy shit, what happened?

The stock price starts sinking around Age of Ultron's release, did that not beating the box office take of the first Avengers rattle the investors or something?

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>>64716715
>Is black

Mixed at most, but The Rock's dad isn't the Rock.

Common sense is your friend.

>>64717217
>it would have made $3 billion by now.
Retards believe this.

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>>64713462
Roll.

>>64713462

ROLL IT

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>>64715400

Disney made a much better Star Wars movie and a much better ANH remake when they made Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl.

>>64711667
Lets face it's not about SW not being big in China. If the movie was good, it would have made much more.

Actually everybody except USA seems to realize the movie its 5/10

>>64713594
Furious 7 is the biggest opening in China, get your facts straight.

>>64716092
See >>64712775

>>64711805
>Avatar didn't even make the list

kek

>>64713462
Rollin' for Jim

>>64713462
DARTH DUBS get

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>>64713462
rollin'

>>64715718

The prequels DID try to be human. They overreached and underachieved in terms of actually accomplishing this, but they sure tried. Episode I's got an interesting parenthood theme running through it, centering on Qui-Gon; he's not much of a character in his own right, but to Obi-Wan he's a father who's about to be an empty nester, and to Anakin he's the father he never had. Episode II has rather unfocused, and I'm not sure what the central theme of the movie is, but the theme of Anakin and Padme's romance seems to be obsession or fear -- not love, as the relationship is pretty damn unhealthy, but so are so very many real relationships. And Episode III brings everything to a close with a theme of loss -- Anakin losing Padme, the Jedi losing Anakin, the Republic losing the Jedi, and the galaxy losing the Republic, putting the capstone on a running theme of loss that echoes back through Anakin's own arc from suddenly gaining and just as suddenly losing a father figure and losing his mother TWICE.

What is the theme of The Force Awakens? What's at the center of the work? I quite liked the first third of the movie, which seemed to have a theme of belonging: Rey wants to find somewhere she belongs, Finn realizes he doesn't belong with the First Order, Kylo Ren believes he belongs on the dark side -- but Rey's question of belonging gets completely shoved to the sidelines once Maz tells us "oh, you'll get there eventually" Finn resolves his belonging issue before the fighter even crashes on Jakku, and Kylo Ren's issue is just not touched on enough to have the impact it should when he makes his big choice on the bridge.

>>64719001

Once Han enters the movie, the whole film falls apart, and the only good scenes after that are his death on the bridge and Rey finally picking up the original plot and meeting Luke (but the stupid fucking helicopter shot almost ruins it). Even those scene is hurt by the movie's failure to properly build up to them elsewhere in the movie -- a problem JJ Abrams seems to have in all of his movies.

>>64711592
titanic re release coimg soon.

HAHAHAHA, I remember everyone saying "China will see it, it's you that just hates Star Wars". The facts don't lie faggots.

>>64713462
fvkjnrktndejkdejedkj

>>64711674
hahahahahahahha

>>64713462
darth nigger get

>>64719207
China did watch it though. $53m two-day opening, nigguuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh!

>>64711912
> its investment
the total is 4 billion

>>64719220
>darth vince
i rolled without looking at the image >>64713462... what an unfunny stupid fucking list

>>64711930
they thought china man won't cam, after half the shit posters not in china saw a cam.

>>64713462
Rollaroo

>>64719285
Not gonna be enough to break Avatar, or even Titanic for that matter. TFA viewing has drop incredible in the last couple weeks in the US. So way with a 53mil opening it's going to break any records other than first in last place.

>>64713462
rollerino

>>64719290
Disney have made make this through merchandise alone.

>>64719535
>or even Titanic for that matter
It'll beat Titanic, no reason to think TFA can't make another $450m worldwide by the end of its run.

>>64714033
He would have made more of the force awakens than jj

>>64719669
Then you don't know anything about how the box office works.

>>64714033
hes still making money off star wars and when he dies his kids will be getting the money.

>>64719730
Oh please. by all means offer your expertise in this industry, because clearly you know how it works, famantha.

>>64719042
There are no setups and payoffs in TFA. Plot points are brought to our attention immediately before they become necessary and then they're dropped just as quickly.

It's one of the reasons the movie feels like such a mess after Jakku. "Anticipation" is not a word in JJ's vocabulary.

Let's face it, if TFA couldn't beat Avatar then nothing ever will.

This was the most relentless marketing push I've ever witnessed. Disney had everything on their side. Yet it didn't just fail, it didn't even come close. Looks like Jim stays the king.

>>64719826
revenue is not profit.

>>64719826
TFA has about $150m-$160m max left in it domestically. It'll only gross $130-$140m in China - $53m on a weekend opening is very poor for how marketed this was, there was a huge drop on Sunday, and word-of-mouth in China is bad. As for overseas, it doesn't matter, because with only those amounts from China and domestic it's impossible for overseas to carry TFA enough to get it over Titanic.

>>64719669
I'd be really surprised if it beat Titanic at this point.

>>64719935
Yes, well done for stating the obvious.

The statement was that TFA wouldn't break Titanic at the Box Office. Seeing as you're a self-appointed expert, tell us why TFA cannot make another $450m worldwide and surpass Titanic's taking.

>>64719730
>Movie makes almost 2 billion in a month.
>Will be in theaters for at least the next 3 months.
>Broke essentially all "Fastest to X" records there are.
>Still showing strong in domestic markets.
>Breaking records in Chinsese markets.
>Won't make another $450 million
Do YOU know how "the box office works?"

>>64719696

It's possible the gross would have been less, but the movie would have been better.

Lucas had the idea to make Ep VII first, and he hired Michael Arndt for the screenplay. So all those Plinkett fucks out there? Lucas wasn't going to write this one either way. Arndt was going to write it, not Lucas.

They did a draft or two, and then Lucas got discouraged because everybody hates him so much, so he sold Lucasfilm so he wouldn't have to deal with the consequences of the movie one way or the other.

Disney threw away the story idea, gave them a new basis to work from, and Arndt said he needed 18 months to write the screenplay. He had 6.

Abrams and Kasdan decided they could put something usable together in 6 months and cut Arndt loose.

I get the feeling that most of the Jakku stuff was already fleshed out with Lucas before the sale, and the rest was Abrams and Kasdan's work.

>>64720111
Be honest, have you EVER studied the box office performance of a film before?

>>64719871
>There are no setups and payoffs in TFA.
Yes there are. There quite clearly are.

Why do people keep making generic complaints that sound informed but don't actually apply to the thing they're criticizing? Does anonymity really make it ok to say unaccountably stupid shit?

>>64720111
>Breaking records in Chinsese markets.

Did you even read the OP, you fucking idiot?

>>64719967
$160m domestic with $140m China leaves TFA needing ~$150m ROW to surpass Titanic's $2.18bn. I've yet to see anyone offer an explanation as to why this is unachievable in the months it has left in the cinema.

>>64720111
>>Breaking records in Chinsese markets.

He falls for propaganda press releases. Everybody point at him and laugh.

North America is the only place that matters.

>>64720219
How about you stop ACTING like a clever cunt and tell us why it won't make another $450m worldwide seeing as you're so clued up on the box office.

Try adding some fucking substance to your posts, you cocky little shit.

>>64720291
Oh sorry, this is before this weekend's figures were in. So now, TFA has about $110m-$130m in it domestically and $70m-$90m in China.

>>64719931
>Yet it didn't just fail, it didn't even come close.
Kek. Broke every "fastest to X" record there is. Still going strong in all markets. Highest grossing movie ever in all western markets. Performing well in chinksville. Third highest grossing movie globally after a month. What a failure.

>>64720409
>i'll move the goalposts and avoiding answering the question

B R A V O
R
A
V
O

>>64711396
for a starving scrapper in the desert her gams are awfully fatty

>>64713462
rollin

>>64713315
whatever happened to abatap

>>64720285
Yeah that unsourced article that isn't anywhere near correct? Yeah I read it. Then I checked out some actual news sources. Made over $33 million on it's first day, and nobody else is projecting a $53 million total on the weekend.

>>64713462
rhollorino

>>64720520
$450m - $130m - $90m = $230m

That's impossible to get from overseas alone. The overseas minus China gross of TFA this weekend was about $50m compared to $40m domestic. Since TFA only has about $130m left in it domestically, no way is it going to make $230m when it's literally been 50/50 domestic/overseas up to this point.

>>64720222
The only one that comes to mind is Chewie's weapon.

>Rey is a fantastic example of the lack of 'setup' in this movie and her character
>"we need a pilot", "we've got one"
>the entire freighter scene is jarring as fuck and serves no purpose for the rest of the movie; actually a setup with no payoff
>who the fuck is Snoke?
>Luke's lightsaber is in this basement because "that's a story for another time"
>there's a new Death Star out of nowhere
>here's the plans for the Death Star out of nowhere
>R2D2 happens to have the rest of the map for some reason
>complete lack of context for the state of the galaxy

>>64720631
You do realize it only has a 2-day opening weekend, right?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-star-wars-beats-853756
http://deadline.com/2016/01/star-wars-the-force-awakens-china-opening-weekend-jurassic-world-global-international-box-office-1201679456/

Jesus christ you're a dumb cunt.

why does the west care about china's numbers so much?

to even release a movie in china you need to be "partnered" with a chinese enterprise that will get 50% of the gross earned in the country. it's just pissing money away

>>64720696
See you in a month then brah.

And bear in mind; Titanic's earnings in its initial run was $1.843bn. TFA is currently $10m short of that. Titanic only added an extra $300m to its gross a few years back with the 3D release.

>>64720791
That's what everyone said when I told people on /tv/ it had no chance of beating Avatar.

>>64712944
There was still barely a Chinese foreign movie market at that time

>>64720456
>being this mad

Put down the gun starcuck!

>>64720822
You do realize that Titanic, in attendance, sold double the tickets of TFA in literally every market across the world except the USA, and even blew the fuck out of its domestic attendance?

>>64720789
Records a record nigger. And in those ONLY 2 DAYS, it's made an amount that's comparable to the standard 3 DAY BOX OFFICE weekend. How much did Avatar make in it's first chinese weekend?

>>64720790
biggest market outside yuropoor
also shitposting

>>64711396
>Disney failed
>1.73 billion dollars made
Try again

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>beaten by an awful sjw britbong show

JJ on suicide watch.

JC reigns supreme.

>>64711396

>word of mouth is mixed at best

chinks confirmed for patrician

either that or they just hate women and black people

>How the butthurt fanboy stole Disney's Star Wars

You'll be watching the last two sequels with the whos come 2020.

>>64720696
>That's impossible
Explain why with some legitimate argument other than stupid speculative bullshit, please.

TFA is still going strong in Europe. It's become the biggest grossing film in the UK surpassing Skyfall. Doing well in Germany. France and Spain. It's still making decent cash in the US and Japan and Aboland. Tell us why an extra $450m is impossible.

>>64713462
kekling

>>64720911
What relevance has that to what I posted?

Also, source,

>>64718244
>If the movie was good, it would have made much more.
Are you implying Transformers: Age of Extinction was a masterpiece?

>>64720918
Kek

When TFA was released all the starcucks were bragging about it becoming the highest grossing movie of all time, not beating the "Opening Day in China" record.

>>64718244
>If the movie was good, it would have made much more.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>64719931

Hell, even Jurassic World beats Avatar when you factor in mech outside the movies.

I sure do remember all those Avatar toys being sold. Those still memorable character designs. How Avatar is still fresh in everyone's mind and how it totally wasn't a one-hit-wonder of a film that wanked off on the reintroduction of 3D into everyone's minds.

Avatar 2 is going to be a flop in comparison to the first. It's been too fucking long in the ADHD mind of the internet and pop-culture of today. You can't make movies like that anymore.

>>64721035
>TFA is still going strong in Europe
It really isn't. The hype is over.

>>64720918
Avatar had an opening weekend of 6 days and made $40.9m during that period in 2009. It also made $204m total, when the box office total gross in China was only $1.47b for the entire year.

You do realize how huge that is, right? Avatar literally made 1/7th of the entire Chinese box office gross for the year. In 2015, where the total box office gross for China was $6.78b, that would be the equivalent of almost $1b in China alone.

Star Cucks in full damage control lmao

Avatar cannot be dethroned, only by Avatar 2 you delusional mad star cuck redditors XD

>>64718244
>Actually everybody except USA seems to realize the movie its 5/10
Yet the critics says otherwise. The audience clearly do too.

>>64713462
POSTAN FOR FREEDOM

>>64720918
>Records a record nigger.

Even when you're competing against literally nothing else, apparently. I can create records out of thin air, too.

>>64721294
>It really isn't. The hype is over.
It really is. Go look at the figures, nigger.

>>64713462
rolling the bones

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>>64721268
>this much butthurt
Cheer up Starcuck, maybe next time.

Although, Avatar will be out soon enough to give Jim the top 3.

>>64721323
>Implying Avatar 2 will dethrone Avatar
I hope Cameroncucks aren't this delusional. The novelty of a 3D theme park ride in your local theater isn't groundbreaking anymore.

>>64720918
>that's comparable to the standard 3 DAY BOX OFFICE weekend

and this shows you know absolutely nothing about the box office, because a "box office weekend" in China is the entire 7-day week.

>>64721323
You're right Avatar won't be beaten any time soon. It certainly will not be dethroned by any Avatar sequel that no one wants.

>>64721398
It is not. I am a European, I know.

>>64713462
fug

>>64721434

I don't give a fuck either way. Avatar was a fluke that didn't have to be a fluke. You don't create a movie that successful and then dick-off for nearly a decade in [CURRENT YEAR].

Cameron is living the past when you could lead people on that way.

>>64721454
>implying it will only be 3D

Lel get this reddithead outta here XD

Avatar 2 will gross at the very least 8 billion you retarded faggot. Just accept it. It will be easier to sleep then, child. Only Avatar 3 will be able to outgross it.

>>64721398
It made $50m this weekend, down 48%. Last week it was doing 30%. The weekdays are down 50%+ every week. It's crashing hard.

>>64721549
>watching Avatar in 2D
What's the fucking point then?

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>>64713462

Roll

>>64721268
>being this mad

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>64721552
>Last week it was doing 30%

down 30%*

>>64721487
>I am a European
Serbfag pls. No one cares about your shitty gypsy nation

So what's next? Rehash, but better and bigger or finally something original? Probably first one, since they want dem money.

>>64721592
>what's 4D?

>>64721552
That aint crashing hard bruv

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>>64721548
>I don't give a fuck either way.

Sure thing, kiddo.

>You don't create a movie that successful and then dick-off for nearly a decade
>Cameron is living the past

AHAHAHAHAHHA

>>64721552
>It's crashing hard.
Wrong.

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>>64711729
there's already one in VII

>>64720111

Hi there.

Most movies that come out? People see them once and then wait for home video or just never see them again.

Consequently, the first month of a movie's release is almost always ENORMOUSLY greater than the rest of its run.

Super-successful films with a massive gross get to that massive gross by having people see it multiple times. Titanic did this. Avatar did this. The original Star Wars movie certainly did this.

To its credit, The Force Awakens does have many people seeing it multiple times. I myself saw it once with my ex on opening weekend, once with my family the day after Christmas, once again alone on New Year's Eve to give it a fair final chance, and a fourth time alone on Friday night because... I don't even know why at this point, it was like a compulsion against my will. Only the opening weekend showing played to a full room, while the other two played to progressively smaller groups, around 3/4 full with my family, about 1/3 full on NYE, and about the same last Friday.

I live in San Diego, California, the 8th most populous city in the United States. Within one month, my nearest theater is playing TFA to rooms that are 2/3s empty.

Your average cinema multiplex plays movies at set times throughout the day, whether the seats are full or not, but when they start playing to empty or nearly empty rooms, the movie will be consolidated to fewer screens, and eventually no longer play there due to insufficient demand.

How much longer before TFA consolidates?

How much longer before it's gone?

It's coming out on Blu-Ray in April already, so Disney's not terribly optimistic. Everything I'm seeing suggests that its success is massive burst on the Star Wars name, a burst that will trickle away into a whimper.

>>64721548

Mad as fuck.

>>64721667
>>64721686
You sure told me.

>>64713462
roloing

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#3 opening in China is a failure to breakout? What kind of clickbait is this shit? Everyone thought it would bomb in China and it's doing fine.

>>64721674

>make that much money
>wank years away when the 3D hype has been done to death

Avatar was a beautiful movie with a plot as deep as a puddle that got by on the 3D gimmick.

Every blockbuster movie is now that essentially. He's squandering a franchise.

>>64711878

But there's a billion of them.

>>64721701
isnt one of the pilot azn?
rouge 1 has fucking ip man. which has just released ip man 3. How can you pander more?

>>64721711
Well you clearly have no fucking idea what "crashing hard" means.

>>64721841
It's certainly not holding well.

>>64721808
It's not the #3 opening. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/china/opening/

>>64712510

I think he means the videogames, anon. Probably.

>>64721455
OK so you mean to tell me that in 2 days, Star Wars has already performed in the top 50 all time when compared to a 7-day week? It's made 1/3 in 2 days what Ultron made in 7 days? It still has fucking 5 days before being compared to the top of the pops?

You being such a fucking expert on chinese box office metrics, you don't realize how that's fucking notable? Holy fuck way to make me look like an idiot. Got me good

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IT'S NOT FAIR
I DON'T WANT AVATAR TO BE THE TOP GROSSING FILM FOR OVER A DECADE

>>64721903
You have no fucking idea do you?

>>64721835
People have always flocked to see new special effects. Since the beginning of cinema.

Why is Cameron getting by on a gimmick but King Kong, Metropolis, A New Hope and Jurassic Park aren't?

>>64722018
Well if we want to adjust for inflation the top grossing film ever is Gone With The Wind, followed by Star Wars A New Hope. So bing bang bong.

>>64721959
Ultron's first two days were a Tuesday and a Wednesday, and it still managed to make $54m and outgross TFA which had, let's not forget, two full weekend days to make its gross. The Sunday drop was pretty bad at 30%, and Monday drop looks to be even worse at 60%+, too.

You don't seem to grasp how much word-of-mouth can kill a movie in China. Age of Ultron made $140m in its 6-day opening weekend and only made $240m total because bad word-of-mouth got around and people realized it was shit. The Force Awakens has an even worse review score than Age of Ultron on every major Chinese movie review site, and it's not even going to gross $150m total.

>>64713312
at least it's a fast and furious movie TFA isn't a star wars movie and that's why it sucks so much

>>64721835
>Titanic
>break the record
>!2 years perfecting your next kino
>Avatar
>break the record again
>take a decade to perfect you next kino
>Avatar 2
>????????????
>PROFIT

You know this to be true.

>>64722189
Who said they aren't?

>>64713462
Rollan

>>64722189

He introduced the 3D gimmick back to cinemas in a way better way.

The absolute only way he could pull an ace-card out of his ass it to introduce VR and that would increase ticket prices out the ass so far that it would drive cinemas out of business on a grand scale.

>>64722238
>The Force Awakens has an even worse review score than Age of Ultron on every major Chinese movie review site
Source?

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>>64722238
You don't seem to grasp how much I don't give a shit about Chinese box office, and how much I'm laughing at your self-important autism. You're my sunday entertainment. Age of Ultron was a piece of shit compared to TFA, and the chink's favorite movie of all time is 7fast7furious. I don't give a shit if TFA beats Avatar in chinese capitalism. Keep on moving that goalpost brah

>>64722379
>every major Chinese movie review site
Take your pick.

>>64713462
Rall

>>64722287
I'll be surprised if Avatar gets in the top 5. Nobody really gives a shit about the story or the actual world that was built. It was a spectacle film that hasn't really aged well, and the gimmick is tired now.

>>64722379
http://piaofang.maoyan.com/movie/78536?_v_=yes
http://m.maoyan.com/movie/262?_v_=yes

http://movie.douban.com/subject/20326665/
http://movie.douban.com/subject/1866479/

DARTH DUBS

>>64713462
FIRIN

>>64722751
I don't speak gibberish but 8.1 and 7.6 aren't exactly negative. Or do the chinese use a base-14 rating system along with their 7-day weekends?

>>64722527

Honestly, I liked Age of Ultron more than TFA.

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>>64711396
>expecting china to not bootleg it

>>64721705
>Look at all my anecdotal evidence that means nothing

>>64723121
It's the standard internet movie rating system, where no film is below a 7. Really you can take 7 from every rating and multiply it by 3.3 to get an accurate idea of what China thinks of it.

>>64713462
rolin

I doubt the Chinese are cucked enough to want to watch a gorilla on screen

>>64721705
Lot of talking to say very little. If a film makes like 1.8 Billion in 1 month, it is more than likely to make at least .5 in the next ~3 months it's in theaters.

>>64712121
>doesnt have black in him
He's literally half black you mong

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>>64713462

>>64723296
Or I can do none of that shit because I don't give an uppity fuck about how the Chinese are fucking up the US film industry. 7fast7furious brah. You people are subsidizing Michael Bay's horseshit. Thanks a lot.

>>64722625
How about you link all these chink sites?

>>64723296
Also the douban site is audience rated, like imdb.

And Age of Ultron has a 7.1, so if your shitty crowdsourced rating site is a strong indicator of box office performance, you're shitting in your own fucking hands here magwai.

>>64722751
So ONE site supports the argument? FUCKING KEK!

>>64723519
They watch 7Furious Fast Niggers