>>64680790 >undeniable No. Everything is still questionable. I tuned in halfway into the Kratz interview, he was talking about the blood in the car not having EDTA and the cut on Steven's finger. I believe it was the sheriff who mentioned the hood latch as being important but left out. Steven's defense lawyer played down the phone calls to her phone saying he simply thought she did a good job photographing and it was his sister's car he was selling, and how she openly said that she was going to the Avery property before leaving.
Apparently Brendan had a bleach stain on his pants, according to his mother after having been at Steven's cleaning the garage, which is interesting.
>>64684122 From the moment the key was found in Avery's bedroom, I was pretty sure most of it was going to be a setup.
All the evidence is way too questionable for Avery to be serving life, I mean this is a guy with an IQ of around 70, yet I'm supposed to believe he or Dassey are some kind of criminal masterminds. It's definitely the ex-boyfriend who knew Avery would get in shit and the police would jump to imprison him.
>this just in faggots who watched a biased documentary try to prove him innocent, none who actually read the case. I live here, i know some of these people, Steven is as guilty as a nigger is black. >also his parents are stupid fucks for thinking he was innocent this whole time
I don't think he did it, it might have been someone else in the family or most likely the ex boyfriend or roommate, the planted Keys thay only had his DNA should have raised Red flags, for that to happen he would have needed to thoroughly clean the keys and then get his DNA on them, then have them magically appear in a spot that the Police had already cleared 8 times and have the person finding them happen to be one of the people who set him up the first time, What really convinced me was the vial of blood that someone had just a syringe to take his blood from
>>64684820 The documentary left out a shit ton of evidence >sweat DNA from steven found under hood of car >Avery bought handcuffs three days before >He stalked her to her place of work multiple times >called her three times the day of disapearance (two *67)
And despite compelling evidence, you faggots still think he did not do it? The documentary was extremely bias and he is getting what he wants. >im the dude that lives here
>>64681758 Regardless of Steven's case, Katz makes a goat antagonist. Like just the unsuspecting appearance and soft voice hiding sharp cunning. Also the two lawyers against him made good underdog type heroes. If they cut everything about Steven and Nephew I would still enjoy the fuck out of just the courtroom stuff perhaps even more so. Entertaining television tbqh.
>>64684982 >sweat DNA from steven found under hood of car Not actually sweat, just DNA. It could have even been from blood, but there was not enough of it to waste it on testing whether it actually blood or not. Also, a forensic investigator touched both Steven's car and then the Rav without switching gloves, which is why this was dismissed.
He's guilty as fuck. It's a defense advocate propaganda show. I suspected around episode 5 they were trying to manipulate the viewer. It became more and more obvious as things continued. Those edits! That cherry picking! But it kept me wanting to watch every next episode. That's good entertainment!
>>64682285 Yes because when you were 15 you were some criminal overlord thug and it really happened, you're not going to respond with some made-up-on-the-spot shit because you're a broken millennial who is embarrassed they are NOT a nigger.
>>64685385 >Brendan claims uncle grabs battery from car >DNA found under hood seems convincing to me also: his girlfriend was in jail for DUI, so he was planning on doing what with who? the points line up.
>>64685348 Which was Brendan's story, which was shoddy at best and isn't supported by any physical evidence. Of course you could argue that these motherfuckers who have a combined IQ of double digits thoroughly cleaned all the crime scenes but somehow forgot to clean and dispose of a key, to which I could respond that you're a contrarian mongoloid.
>>64685404 He might as well have done it. There's no way of knowing that since the investigation was so fucked up. My point is that you're even more biased than the doc. Your whole argument amounts to "I live here and people said he did it so it's true"
"B-but I'm stupid!" defense doesn't work. Honestly , order the trial transcripts if you want to know who is guilty. They barely even showed any of Brendan's interviews. Only the parts that supported the defense claim. They are over 4 hours of taped interviews.
>>64685481 https://youtu.be/F3M_lybv5Do?t=1m52s In the transcript for the interrogation the investigators are the ones who claim Steven opened the hood, and Brendan also claims he didn't see what Steven was doing under the hood.
>>64685517 No DNA/blood in the house or garage other than the bullet.
>>64685348 they found no DNA of Theresa in the bed or the base of the bed. They found no rests of rope or any indications that someone was chained to it and struggling to release herself. I guess Avery also cleaned every last bit of evidence with the magic vacuum he used to clean the blood pool, right?
>>64685991 She wasn't killed in the house. Apparently. That theory changed after another one of Brendan's confessions put her death in the garage. The they went back to garage in march and chiseled up the floor and found the bullet under the air compressor.
>>64685370 >didn't change gloves Are you serious? I need a source for this, because there is no way that a forensic investigator could be that incompetent on the biggest case to have ever happen in that state.
lets not mention that the halbach family is now being harassed for this bias shit. they lost a daughter, and now they have to go though allegations of their own son being involved by tinfoil hat idiots who have netflix. Is this justice? Blaming the victims? people who think Steven is innocent solely because of this extremely biased documentary sicken me.
>>64686104 >>the halbach family is now being harassed >Source? good, all those fuckers in that family still think dassey mutilated her when these astounding evidence he didnt. they deserve to suffer just as much, the brothers acted like real pieces of shit anyway
>>64686188 you do not understand how bleach works kratz you do not understand how blood splatter works kratz you do not understand how basic ass cleaning works kratz stop while you can still delude yourself that you are ahead
>>64686056 While Walker is a career politician and a sleaze, he is a Republican and solidly on the side of the police. Even if he was issuing pardons, he still wouldn't pardon Avery because he would risk alienating the police.
Walker did not budge when the Capitol was packed with protestors (you know, people who actually live in Wisconsin and vote for governor) for weeks on end back in 2010. There is no chance he's going to budge because of some Internet poll.
>>64686104 >We shouldn't give a person a fair trial because it makes people feel uncomfortable abloo bloo bloo Fuck off. Justice should not hinge on the feelings of the victims or their families.
1. From the get go, the case was manufactured to make Steve guilty. Planted evidence, coerced interrogations, a huge media circus to implant the "guilty" brand in the mind of the public (including potential jurors) before a proper investigation is launched. They managed to convince the jury on the one count that mattered, but we already saw how good they are at manipulating people. There was no evidence whatsoever that linked Brendan to the alleged rape and maiming and burning, and they still nailed him on the account of those coerced confessions.
2. Despite what the FBI guy said, it's clear that the police system will protect itself before anybody else. The first time Steve got arrested he got lucky as fuck and was released, but still nobody at the police would admit there was any wrong doing despite the piles of evidence that there was and tried to cover it up by writing up reports years after the fact. So why would they do any different this second time?
I feel like I'm biased and blindsided here (obviously the documentary is trying to argue this was the case). What am I not seeing that implies Steve and his nephew actually did those things?
>>64686312 of course not but that's just a clear picture of walker's motives he's not going to pardon either or them no matter what if petitiontards suggested obummer press the DOJ to investigate the WDOJ that might mean something, maybe not for the avery's freedom(if such an investigation would ever happen) but it's their best chance and there's really far more actual evidence to indite them, maybe even convict
>>64686405 You would have to be a pretty ballsy guy to build a fire in some ones elses back yard and burn a body and drive a vehicle on their property to hide it. All while the people who live there are present.
>>64686407 he may be referring to branden but he's forgetting the both of them need a trail as away from wisconsin as possible
>>64686405 kratz's "evidence" which amounts to more of a character assassination and even if you accept it, based on character alone(please keep these words in mind before epic replies) it's far more arguable kratz could kill theresa than steven
>>64686503 They weren't present? Didn't they go to a cabin or some shit after Halloween? Also, it was a huge lot with a few families all living independently, they wouldn't be that suspicious of stuff going on.
The fire was circumstancial. Steve had some sort of bonfire going on (for halloween or some shit) and Brendan stopped by to see it. The body was burned elsewhere, the charred remains just dumped into the bonfire remains.
But yeah, no idea if they did it while Steve was inside the house or when. Also driving the car into the yard.
Whether or not he is innocent. I just don't understand how any evidence found by the Manitowoc police could have been admissible in court? Isn't it considered a conflict of interest? If Steven's suing them and another county took over investigation for just such a reason, if anything is found by Manitowoc police how can it be considered evidence?
Events that happened >Boyfriend shot and killed her >Burned her body >Deleted incriminating voicemails from her phone with the brother's help >Roommate probably knew what was happening (didn't report her missing until four or five days after her initial disappearance) >BF decides to frame Steven and dumped what was left of her remains on his compound >Police find her car in an unknown location >Find their chance to final fuck Steven because they knew they purposely locked him away in the rape case and he was suing their department for thirty million >Plant his blood in her car >Drive it onto his lot >Plant her key in his room in one of the hundreds of "searches" >G U I L T Y >Steven loses again
>>64686565 they did real well protecting the community from gregory allen >>64686503 hillegas kinda is but yeah, that points to at least four avery members that aren't steven too seriously as much as they apparently hate the all so much it's astonishing they didn't even considering a bigger conspiracy amongst the family
fuck even if you agree with them about the averys manitowoc made such a mess of things
My thought was that the police took advantage of the Theresa case to nail Steven in regence for him trying to expose them corrupt fucks and seek compensation. Someone stumbled upon Theresa's car with her body inside and instead of reporting it he went like "maybe we can use this to fuck Steven", and the whole thing was put in motion. Whoever killed Theresa (the roommate? shame nobody thought of actually investigating this shit) wasn't collaborating with the police—but wasn't mad to have all blame and suspicion off him either.
first step of proving avery innocent would be to discuss the feasibility of someone fabricating this. so the first thing; 1. Who knew about the meeting that day? 2. What is their motive? I don't think it was the police if anyone did it.
>Rav 4 is parked at the front of the property >branches draped over the top to draw attention to it >big "Rav 4" logo isn't covered at all >didn't bother using his car compactor >key conveniently found in his trailer months after the investigation begins Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>64686621 Even with it admissible the defense shot holes through EVERYTHING they presented, even without having to accuse the police of planting evidence, and yet he was still put away for life. I don't give a shit if he did do it or not, you should at least have some undeniable piece of evidence linking them to do that. This is why we have such a huge prison population. Literally innocent until PROVEN guilty, not just some fucking hunch.
>>64686620 they put the bones there just like they planted the key and the other evidence. Lenk was one of the first persons to go at the crime scene and that's why he didn't check in and later changed his statement to situate himself there at a late hour.
>>64686936 Brendan's testimony not linked to any evidence other than handcuffs, which themselves show no evidence. The bullet randomly in the garage with no blood spill, if there wasn't an exit wound (less spill) it would still be in her head, and later in the fire instead. The cremains being in different places instead of being transferred entirely, and not being appropriate for a less-hot bonfire. The key without any of Halbach's DNA on it. Steven's blood in the car not 100% proven to not contain EDTA, okay this does hang on it being planted in the first place.
fucking bullshit it all was. "pay no heed to all our contradictions, manufactured evidence that doesn't stand up to scrutiny and our obvious conflict of interest, these guys are >IMPLYING the police is corrupt and that is just wrong on every level! they're the bad guys!"
>>64686764 >1. Who knew about the meeting that day? out of suspicious people the police never investigated it wouldn't be hard for other averys to know of it, or to ambush her after her brother(probably innocent) and boyfriend had the ability to hack into her phone so they could hear her messages from steven; possibly even her roommate
>2. What is their motive? hillegas was spurned by theresa and likely stalking her bobby and scott are more likely to assault her given actual history there's earl and another avery as well with bad history of women and earl flat out refused being involved in the investigation
>I don't think it was the police if anyone did it. the murder itself? yeah. but how much are they innocent? because of their mess people are arguing about them burning the body(i don't think they did that much though)
>>64686912 well i'm curious where does anyone think the car originally was(if not in that specific area, which is highly likely)?
personally i think it was a lot closer to the quarry, considering they found remains of her personal items in that drum(including the key)
this is how Steven COULD have done it (not saying he did) >abduct halbach >rape >dumbass comes over with letter >might as well make him a man >let him in >"good boy" >he goes home >shoot the bitch in the garage >put her in the back of the rav4 >burn her at the quarry >carry back ashes in barrel >park car and cover it inna hurry >halloween bonfire soon >disconnect battery so onstar or some shit cant find it >illgettoitlater.jpg >build bonfire on top of dead bitch to further incinerate remains lol >aww fuck, still have key in pocket >might need this shit later >idea.jpg >hide it on top of nightstand amongst some random shit >Cops come >point my sausage finger in their direction >they did it >case.closed
>>64687399 This is why I want to see the entirety of his confession. Also his family didn't have to have high IQs to fuck up a prosecution, they were educated by the system with all there previous encounters with the courts. Brendan did what he had to do, keep changing his statements over and over and over to become not credible. They don't tape the visits, only the phone calls. His family coached him.
Instead of going for the planted evidence angle, he might as well have just admitted to doing it and say it was self-defense. It worked for Durst. The corpse was completely destroyed, it would be literally impossible to prove it wasn't defense.
>>64687708 Why did Durst chop his victim up into pieces, clean up the scene and dispose of him like garbage, and then come back later to specifically retrieve and get rid of the one piece of evidence that would prove/disprove his story?
>>64687735 A better question is how did he clean up the crime scene so perfectly that not even professionals are capable of it, but somehow missed the the car, the blood in the car, and the key?
I need to rewatch the series but could it be that the police getting involved/framing of Steven only started days after she went missing (as opposed to being premeditated or all within hours of her disappearance)?
As I remember it, it was known that her last known location was at the car lot, and Steven was giving interviews on TV in the day or two after her disappearance. The Averys were then asked to leave the property (they were gone for 8 days right?) and the plan to frame Steven could have only fallen into Colborn and Lenk's laps when Colborn found the car and called dispatch to confirm the RAV4 license plate number. At that point no evidence had been found on Steven's property and no remains of Halbach had been found. Does it fit with what we know that those two men could have 1) found her dead in the back of the car, 2) burned her remains, 3) dropped her bones into Steven's fire pit (having already known he'd held a bonfire that night), and 4) parked the car at the edge of the Avery lot with blood taken from the vial smeared inside. Once these pieces of evidence were set in place, all it took was to add things like the key and the sweat DNA at a later date to finalize the framing. They could completely believe Steven did it and this will just make sure he doesn't get off on a "technicality" like he did last time. Tricking Brendan was just an unexpected added bonus.
Does this fit with everything we know? I don't know who killed it but it makes sense that this wasn't one big elaborate crime by either Steven or the Sheriff officers, just a few pieces of evidence nudging one bit at a time until it all adds up to a lurid tale of rape, torture, and brutal murder.
>>64688405 But you know, philosophically he was working for HIM. That fucking kid was going down for a long long time. Avoiding a conviction was a hat dream at that point. Getting him to cooperate as a witness against Steve would have shaved 20 years off his sentence.
>>64687898 Remember the home video of her early on? Talking about if somebody found her dead she died "happy". Yeah, sound like a sane person? Then she has boyfriend troubles and a "stalker"?
She was depressed. She drives away from Avery's, shoots herself, nobody finds her for days, reported missing and interviewing officers find out she went to averys, the one dumbass officer who found her car calls it in after she's reported missing, then calls Sherrif and Lenk, they all three throw her body in the back of the Rav 4, burn it in the gravel pit while the Averys are gone, plant the Rav 4 and cover it, plant the bone fragments, sherrif orders new search of Averys, Lenk plants blood and bullet.
So they used her suicide to frame Avery to save them from the lawsuit.
>>64688298 She contaminated her own test as is shown in the show you clearly did not watch. So no, it's worthless to any real standard. But you're an Americuck, so the only "standard" you'd ever know of is which fast food place has the biggest serving of fries and soda.
>>64688611 Except: She wasn't described as depressed by anyone She didn't have a boyfriend She was shot twice in skull How coincidental would it be for a bonfire to have happened and the police to decide to burn her body And like a dozen other problems with this stupid theory.
>>64688755 >She had an ex and was living with a male "friend" >her home video is a clear sign of depression >so she fucked up the first time and shot herself again. It's happened before. >very coincidental and very lucky for the police
>>64688647 No you dumbfuck She contaminated the test with her own DNA. Theresa's was still there. Those were the only 2 DNA sequences present. It wasn't worthless. In fact, it was admissible evidence...that's how it was ...you know...admitted. And the defense only had a "FOUL" crying moment that amounted to nothing but hurt feelings but no science behind it. At least you did watch it, you just didn't understand it.
That was an exboyfriend. She wasn't officially dating anyone, but was living with a guy, whom I don't think we saw at all in the series. Ex said they didn't have a relationship, but she could've kept that from him.
>>64688868 Nope. Besides, peple were coming and going from the property. Bobby, Barb, Blaine, and Scotty. Who knows who else was or could have, it's not like Steve would know ahead of time. besides, it was visible from the road.
The defense made the point that the protocol dictates that if the sample gets contaminated anyhow, the scientist has to declare it invalid and do it again. And this one violated that protocol for the first time in her career just so they got the evidence they wanted. It was a fishy move.
>>64686722 This is more or less what I think happened.
Kratz trying to make it out to have to be Avery or one of the "family men" on the police force as the murderer was a ridiculous manipulation to try to take away from the fact that they never treated anyone but SA as a suspect. I think it's more than likely that someone shown/spoken with in the doc killed her but was able to evade detection because of the intentional tunnel vision of the investigation.
Colburn found the car, called it in, checked inside, found the body, contacted Lenk, dealt with the body, and moved and bloodied up the car.
>>64688994 That was a proprietary lab protocol. And they also mentioned that exceptions could be made in the extreme (which this was because there was not enough material for another test), which is why she filed for one. And it was accepted. The lab technicians DNA could show up through contamination, but Halbechs could not. And Halbechs was present. It was all explained, you just didn't understand it and thought the defense scored a point.
>>64689112 the fact that the result came contaminated should have made it invalid and inadmissible as evidence. Also, if I'm not mistaken she used all the product at once, going against what protocol dictates.
>>64688322 >The head, Brendan. What did you do to her head? >"Uhh, we cut her hair off." >Alright, what else? >"He punched her?" >Did you do anything else to the head?
>the prosecution has to combine all of his literally retarded confessions into one story >they tied her up, raped her, stabbed her, cut her hair off, slit her throat, strangled her, shot her, then burned the body >just for good measure they dumped some of the bones in the quarry
>>64689181 There was only enough material for one test. It still had value as evidence. There was only 2 sequences there, the lab techs and halbechs. The lab tech was not on the scene of evidence retrieval, so the contamination happed in the lab. Halbech's sequence however could not be contamination because she was never at the lab.
I watched the first three, but may drop it at this point. They are really going for frustration here, and succeeded. Ten episodes of it though just seems like too much though. how do you keep watching this?
>>64690169 get a hooker, just don't chain her to your bed, rape her, let your retard nephew have a turn, punch her, cut her haircut, then cut her throat, take her to the garage and shoot her in the head, burn her corpse in your yard, drive her burnt remains to a rock quarry in her car, burn more of the corpse, drive the rest of her remains back to your yard and leave it parked with the rest of the cars
I think Steven, Scott, or Bobby Dassey killed her at the gravel pit. Probably left the Rav4 there for later and burned her. I think Colburner found the vehicle with her blood in it, and her remains..Got with Lenk and moved the stuff to frame Steven. I am not saying that Steven is innocent. Also I think Brenden probably had no part. His confession is unreliable at best. Those leading questions were painful to watch. And his lawyer Len should be disbarred.
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