That makes it even more dangerous, actually, and would lead to being even more defensive than you would with a regular sword which can only slice at particular angles or stab. Lightsabers are just pure, 360 degrees of cutting surface that cut through flesh like butter. So a strike is easier to make (due to more options for striking angles) and more likely to be lethal or otherwise more injurious. So yeah, the OT fights actually are a lot more true to life than the over-choreographed super-flippy video game-style PT fights.
>>64664186 He lost on purpose and became more powerful than Vader could possibly imagine. That is, he became a spooky ghost and told Luke to do stuff, which saved Luke's ass many times and ultimately led to Vader's downfall so I guess he was right in the end.
>>64663130 There's this scene in the prequels, where Obi Wan is getting ready to fight someone, I think it was the Grievous fight, and he gets into this ready position where he moves his right hand, his sword hand, back behind him over his back foot and holds it the air, holds his entire body in front and completely open, and as if that's not enough, he extends his left hand in front of him. I know you little kids and idiots it looks like he's striking a bad ass ninja pose, but it's literally the worst and weakest possible position you could ever be in in a swordfight. A committee of experts could not possibly come up with a worse defensive position, unless it was something like "doing a handstand with your back to the opponent while your sword was locked in a safe that you don't know the combination to, in another room" If every other fight in the prequels was an actual, fatal sword fight between master duelists, they would still be worse than the OT because of this scene.
>>64666195 There's that Polish movie that people always post, I forgot the name. Rob Roy isn't bad. I'm one of the few people who haven't seen The Princess Bride, but I've heard some people say there's fairly realistic sword work in that, and I've also heard one of the actors was a world class fencer, but I don't know for sure.
Take a look at at the Samurai films with Toshiro Mifune. Generally speaking, one hit and you're dead.
This was the initial intent as Lucas was inspired by Japanese film when he created Star Wars. So, no, all the stupid jump, saber-twirling, and other showy things in the prequels is not realistic at all.
The light saber battle between Alec Guinness Obi Wan and Darth Vader, while not as stylized as the prequels, is quite a bit more realistic. Also, it is not boring. There is tremendous personal enmity between the two characters and the words they say to each other are far more interesting than anything said in the prequels.
There is also tremendous tension in the scene if you understand a bit about sword fighting. Vader and Obi-Wan each know that if they get hit, it could very well be the end of their lives. These are Jedi masters fighting.
>>64666478 >saber-twirling, and other showy things in the prequels is not realistic at all. Not all Japanese swordplay movies. Zatoichi has flashy swordfights, though no jumping. Lone Wolf and Cub is flashy.
>>64666943 >and both start twirling their light sabers is just cringeworthy I think before EU was trashed, they tried justifying that that was a technique or some shit to power up your attack. Kind of like taking a huge wind up when swinging a baseball bat or golf club.
>that dialogue before the fight
>>64667062 >that cliche cartoon moment when he stares at his hand for a brief moment >Obi Wan doesn't try attacking at that moment
In a world where the combatants don't wear any armour and a decent hit is basically a OHK, lightsaber fights would just look like fencing, because it would be the most effective way to hit your opponent without being hit yourself.
You can see in the original ANH confrontation that they sort of mimicked fencing, where Obi-Wan tries some thrust attacks and Darth Vader paries them with a circular motion
This is far more realistic and interesting than the pointless, overly theatrical ballerina flipping, spinning and showboating of the prequels.
The new trilogy has gone for something different to both, closer to the original, but more of a medieval style where they just sort of bash each other in a more slow and visceral way.
>>64666409 Even using space magic, it doesn't matter, unless he literally has to leave himself completely undefended and actually extend his arm and hand into harm's way to activate it. I can't swear to it, but if I remember correctly lightsaber clashes follow this pose, not telekinesis battling, so your point is still moot regardless.
>>64667275 I read a theory that lightsabers kind of "static" to each other, making it difficult to slide the blade down the other shaft and impossible to just deactivate. Might just be a clever excuse for shitty plot holes.
>>64667373 No sliding? Sure, I can buy it. No deactivating doesn't make any sense though, since the blade emerges from the hilt and you can just cut the power supply The EU even had characters that specialized in that form of fighting
>>64666508 I watched some of that, I don't think it's that. It might not be Polish, it's some kind of eastern European though. it gets posted on 4chan sometimes, that's how I first found out about it, but there's a fight between two guys in a muddy camp, at least one has a saber, there are a bunch of onlookers, they seem to be some kind of military men, and I think it's lightly raining. I've never seen any subtitles or seen it dubbed, so that's why it's kind of hard to find it or describe it.
>>64667496 >so many instances in the ot pt and tfa where just turning off the sabre would result in victory And since it's so easy to do the whole lightsaber fighting meta would revolve around it, which leads us back to a kind of fencing style for the most effective/safe application
>>64667577 >clash lightsaber against opponent's lightsaber >turn off own lightsaber >get decapitated by opponent's lightsaber because you're a dumb fuck who doesn't realize they're pressing hard against your blade Way to go.
I used to think about this too, but it doesn't really seem like there is a consistent amount of time it takes for a lightsaber to ignite and fully extend. If you notice, sometimes it takes nearly a half a second for a lightsaber to ignite and reach full length, other times it seems to happen instantaneously or nearly so. So if it's instant, then wht you describe is not only vaid, but a high level technique, but if it takes even an eyeblink's worth of time, that would be suicide, at least against a skilled lightsaber user.
>>64667757 Dude, even utilizing Force abilities implies that the other person isn't also going to have Force abilities. They're going to counter that shit, likely by getting the fuck out of the way when they sense what you're about to do.
And how the fuck is "Well, dodge when you turn it off" any good? The two of you were pushing forward purely to get into that mess. You'd have to be moving even before you turn it off.
If you want to be out of the way, you might as well just deflect the damn thing.
>>64668087 I'd really like to see this happen, a character pulling the same move twice using the Force in conjunction with his lightsaber, or turning it off to pull some dumbass move, then end up killed because he fights someone who's actually caught on. >>64668294 Don't play the retard.
Yeah, Ben and Vader used to have tea every Tuesday afternoon on the Death Star. But things got heated during their last tea time and some regrettable words were said about Vader's mother. Vader demanded Ben leave and never come back, and now he holds a grudge. The next time Vader sees Ben he tries to actually kill him.
>>64668330 If we go with the force allowing you to sense the others moves, then a fencing style is even more possible, since otherwise we go in a circle of 'sense that he's going to block, prepare to turn off' -> 'sense that he's going to turn off, don't block and back off' - circle and they just back away from each other
>>64668617 >Which I like. In fact, that was my initial argument, sorry if I wasn't being clear. There mere existence of turning-off moves would make sword-duels as we know them from the movies way too risky, and you'd try to keep as much distance as possible from your enemy while trying to poke holes in him.
But all fighting styles DO have moves and counter-moves, dummy. That's the whole strategy of fighting.
>Use these moves to approach your opponent >If he approaches you in A/B/C way, change your approach to X/Y/Z
>Use these moves to attack your opponent >If he defends using A/B/C switch to attacking with X/Y/Z
>Use these moves to defend from your opponent >If he switches to attacking with X/Y/Z, defend instead with D/E/F
And yeah, there is a lot in between there, too, that must be learned through experience and done by gauging your opponent. But what makes a "fighting style" is a series of moves and counter moves that can be used in certain situations to achieve specific ends. You practice those as much as possible so that when it comes time to fight for real the basics are literally a reflexive second nature and you can focus on strategizing when to apply which moves and when you must improvise.
>>64668712 This is actually one of the biggest inconsistencies in the films, how sometimes they took longer to extend. When Luke first turns on a lightsaber it takes a second, while let's say, Palpy on revenge of the sith turns on his saber on an instant, like a fast draw. Always bugged me
I always assumed it was meant to be instant, or nearly so, but back in the 70's they couldn't do that easily without it looking really awkward, so they opted to have the blade actually extend out over a number of frames.
Notice in ROTJ, Vader swings at him and Luke is able to raise his deactivated saber, turn it on, and block Vader's swing all in one quick motion without skipping a beat.
Video related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFYoZ7H67A (described blocking at 0:55)
>>64669227 Yeah there are the same inconsistencies on both prequels and originals. Vader saves the emperor by turning his saber instantly as Luke swings. On the cave in dagobah Vader's saber takes a long time to extend (it was in slow motion but still takes forever). Same can be said for their duel on cloud city.
>>64669707 Yes, Vader senses obi wan on the death star and luke on the convoy heading for endor's moon. Just like in DBZ they can hide their power if they are subtle about it. Palpatine hid from the jedi by not taking direct action until the end. The Jedi sensed him, they knew there was a menace clouding their vision, they were never able to identify who it was, not even Anakin who was the one jedi that spent most time with him.
The Force is essentially the spiritual life force of the universe that ties everything and everyone together. Of course you can sense billions of lives being simultaneously snuffed out further away than you can sense a single person simply existing, especially if that person is trained in the art of concealment.
It's like saying it's inconsistent to see an explosion from miles away if you can't pick out Waldo from a crowd immediately.
>>64670483 He did sense her, after she demonstrated her power ¿what movie were you watching? He says "the longer it takes to find her, the more powerful she gets" She did not demonstrate her power when they met, it was only later when he mind probed her. Its different depending of the situation, and the person. Vader remarks that he sensed Luke on the Endor convoy, and the emperor says that he didn't. The magnitude of the event and the closeness of the person involved is a factor for interstellar awareness. Blowing up a planet is huge, so obi wan sensed it. One of your pupils turning to the dark side is something that yoda felt across planets. Han's death is something Leia is going to feel instantly, even if she does not know what it is, she knows something terrible happened.
Like I said, Jedi train themselves in the art of concealment. Hiding their emotions, calming themselves in the face of danger, etc. They make themselves hard to sense on purpose. You're right that you can be very sensitive with the Force and sense nuanced things, but there's still a difference between sensing something in someone you're looking at or someone you're already aware of and sensing the presence of someone you're not aware of and who is essentially actively disguising themselves either as a "normal" person or concealing their entire presence.
You're discounting the ability of someone to use the Force to interfere with another Force user's detection abilities.
>>64664106 They're old fucking men what did you expect flips and shit They're also using the force to predict each others movements and try to think 3 steps ahead of the other the battle was more like a game of chess than a sword fight that's why it's slow and deliberate
>>64664366 The pt fights are more realistic from a physics standpoint though, because you have to remember that the weapons are weightless.
Add to that the fantasy element, where force users move at inhuman speeds, and then it starts to make sense that jedi were swirling badasses because they their weapons are weightless, plus they're moving really fast.
Swinging the sabers slowly like great swords in the ot is unrealistic and dumb looking.
TFA actually had a nice balance of the two previous trilogies styles of saber fighting. It was like, fast moving long sword/great sword fighting.
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