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http://www.dailydot.com/geek/oscar-isaac-atlas-shrugged-shirt-ayn-rand-libertarian/

>A five-year-old Ayn Rand reference is making serious waves in Oscar Isaac's huge new fanbase—and all of Tumblr is along for the ride.

>The Star Wars heartthrob, who has been enjoying intense newfound fame with the release of The Force Awakens, turned heads for a different reason this week, when a 2011 photo of him in an Atlas Shrugged T-shirt made the rounds.

Oscar Isaac is truly Our Guy
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He is so based
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>>64659844
I hated him until I found out he was 5'8"

thanks manlet memes
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What is Atlas Shrugged about? Why is it so popular?
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But Ayn Rand isn't liked on 4chan either
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>>64660048
Form your own opinion for once you shit head.

>b-but what does 4chan think? INEED TO KNOW WHAT TO THINK
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>>64660013
bioshock
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>>64660013
It's about a bunch of rich industrialists leaving their businesses to create their own commune
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>>64660013
About the rich elite being oppressed
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>>64660013
Why Rand's own philosophy, Objectivism, is right and proper. It's probably the weakest of her works though. I'd rate We The Living as her best, pretty short so it's definitely worth a read,
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Atlas shrugged is shit
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>>64660013
Ayn Rand wrote Atlas Shrugged.

The general gist of it is "being selfish is good and you should always do what you want and not what others want". Which is really funny because Rand threw a hissy fit when a guy she knew refused to to cheat on his wife with her. It's famous because it's like the bible of dickbag businessmen the world over.
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>>64659844
He's probably wearing it ironically
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Atlas shrugged is better than being some communist/leftist tard, and anything that infuriates tumblr is good in my book.
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>>64660113
Ayn Rand came from the Soviet Union, so she saw the dangers inherent to collectivism. Her philosophy isn't that doing what you want is all that matters, it's that rights should be concerned with the individual first and foremost. If something becomes a detriment to a few in order to benefit the many, then it's immoral according to her. She's basically just arguing against the concept of socialism, that's it.
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>>64660175
>anything that infuriates tumblr is good in my book

Hello /pol/tard
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>>64660113

Leftist Babbies always shit on Rand but forget Marx was a leech living off his rich trust fund babbies friend Engels money for free while writing his smash capitalism rantings in the coffee shop.
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>>64660257

>If something becomes a detriment to a few in order to benefit the many, then it's immoral according to her.

Yeah, which is why instead you should have a society that benefits the few to the detriment of the many. Wow, profound, I love capitalism and hierarchy. This'll really get the tumblrs mad right guys? Real traditionalists post on 4chan.
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>>64660289
Nah Tumblr is shit senpai be serious
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>>64659844
So what, which actor or director isn't a dickhead? I mean look at ford he had so many amazing roles and he is still a fucking asshole. Do you think Hitchcock was an angel or something?
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>>64659844

Is tumblr really that triggered by libertarianism?
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>>64660328
>people shouldn't have more money than others

So you're an idiot?
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>>64659844
So Tumblr is mad at him for it? Also I didn't even remember him being in Drive at all.
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>>64660328
>Yeah, which is why instead you should have a society that benefits the few to the detriment of the many
What's the alternative? You steal the rich man's money? Why does it matter if someone has greater wealth than you? What's it like being so envious all the time?
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>>64660328
>capitalism
>detriment to anyone
Nice meme. How's the fact that you're communicating with someone who's probably half way across the globe working out for you? How's that laptap that you payed for doing? How's the platform you're using to communicate able to survive without any revenue?
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>>64659844
Based problematic Oscar. I hope he goes full Renner soon
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>>64660433
>>64660462

You know how you accumulate wealth right? It's not through working harder than others. It's through taking the wealth that others (laborers) have produced. How do you do that? You have people so poor with so few opportunities they'll agree to work on your property for you for less than what their real labor produces. The rich make the poor.
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i tried to give rand a chance and read some of the fountainhead but the writing was shit and the message repulsively soapboxed
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>>64660013
ITS LIKE WEARING A SWASTIKA T-SHIRT TO SOCIALIST SJW LIBKUCK TUMBLRINAS

ITS TOPKEK THEY'RE BUTTHURT ABOUT HIS SHIRT

PROBLEMATIC FAVE ALL OVER AGAIN

ISAAC NEEDS TO HANG OUT WITH RENNER AND EVANS TO REALLY RUB IT IN

>TUMBLR ON SUICIDE WATCH, AGAIN
LMBO
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>>64660527
Just about everything you just said is wrong.
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>>64660527
This bait is the bait that is the bait.
unless you're just underage
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>>64660527

>Commies on /tv/

loving every laugh
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>>64660527
>employers making more than employees is "wrong"

Sooo....?
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>>64659844

>Oscar Isaac was Standard in Drive

Woah, fuck. I didn't know. Really weird. In Drive he looked and acted really hispanic. In Star Wars I just thought he was some white guy.
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>>64660502
Can you provide proof that that stuff is due to capitalism?

Mars would already be settled by now if it wasn't for capitalism squandering the wealth of nations.
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>>64660565
>>64660591
>>64660612
>>64660618

Wealth comes from what's produced. The property owners are just parasites. Face it nerds.
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>>64660629
>Mars would already be settled by now if it wasn't for capitalism squandering the wealth of nations.
You're killing me here. Do another, do another.
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>>64660527
The value of labor is determined by how many people are able to perform that particular job, which is something determined by inherent capability. Socialism will only be fair if people are inherently equal in terms of skill, which probably isn't the case.
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>>64660563
seems like it worked on you kek
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>>64660502
Capitalism needs to minimize progress to maximize the revenue they can obtain from a single new idea. True capitalism can't exist as the moment one company becomes too big, it will simply buy out its competition or form cartels to maximize profits. True progress comes in times of need by scientists, not economists, including inventions like the computer.
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>>64660629
How the fuck could 4chan survive without capitalism? You think some institution would fund this place?
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>>64660647
Just out of curiosity what would your ideal society look like?
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>>64660673

Without capitalism there probably wouldn't even be money that would be "funding" things. People would freely organize to create the servers and do upkeep if they wanted the site to continue to exist.
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>>64660706
>Without capitalism there probably wouldn't even be money that would be "funding" things
I'm out. I think I will die of laughter if I keep reading this thread.
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>>64660706
>we don't need currency
>we don't need an economy

this is almost legitimately funny
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>>64660706
THIS IS ABSURD

PEOPLE WOULD BE ROTTING AWAY MERELY SURVIVING WITH NO DRIVE WHATSOEVER

AKA THE SOCIALIST DREGS OF YUROP

CREATIVITY MUST BE INCENTIVIZED WITH REWARD, ITS BUILT INTO HUMAN NATURE

ITS WHY COMMUNISM LOST AND CAPITALISM WON
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>>64660694

Anarchist communism, maybe more specifically anarcho-syndicalism. Production is done not for profit but for the benefit of the people who do it, all organized from the bottom down with no hierarchy or compulsion, led by the spirit that has always spurred human society on, mutual aid and the individual confidence and incentive it produces.
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>>64660305
I don't care either way about Rand, that story just always stuck with me.
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>>64660088
lol no
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>yfw Oscar Isaac is an ultra right wing Trump supporter
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>>64660808
Pfffftthahahahahaha
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>>64660758

>equating currency with economy

well... I actually haven't even seen that done before in these kinds of peanut gallery arguments. Bravo.
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>>64660563

This they might as well kill themselves at this point seeing all their faves BTFO them
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>>64660808

>Anarchist

Absolute gold, you've obviously well-read on the subject because this pretending is top notch.
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>>64660832
Unlikely: he did a PSA for saving the environment. It's more likely my husbando is ironically wearing the capitalist attire.
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>>64660706
>people will and can work for free!
Is this a joke? How would you gather the materials necessary to create the insanely costly CPU manufacturing plants? Are that many people going to come together to and just give up their labor for free so that we can quote shitty memes?
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>>64660847
Elaborate
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>>64659844
This is why I love him.
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>>64660788
Are you this stupid or are you just pretending?

Nearly every great invention during history have been due to individual drive without monetary incentive. This "capitalism driving science" thing is a recent invention by those with a personal interest in it.
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>>64660808

If anyone is interesting in these ideas, read "The Conquest of Bread" by Peter Kropotkin and "At the Cafe" by Errico Malatesta. Both will be easily found through google searches.
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>>64660928
>Nearly every great invention during history have been due to individual drive without monetary incentive.

Where the hell did you get that idea?
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>>64660706

Every time a state or community has tried to abolish capitalism, it's still existed.

People want stuff and people will make stuff to supply those people with the stuff they want. People want to keep the stuff that they made or the stuff they traded for other stuff. People will use a intermediary, money, when trades become complex.

You can't change human nature.
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>>64660899

>Are that many people going to come together to and just give up their labor for free so that we can quote shitty memes?

Probably yeah, because a lot of people like doing this (i.e. shitposting). You could say they'd be giving it up for free but in reality they're working to have something they like. Their labor is no longer a commodity that would be bought and sold, it would just be an expression of their needs and wants.
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>>64660155
he'd better hope his agent can sell that.
>merely pretending
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>>64659844
So now everyone hates Oscar Isaac?
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>>64660502
The Internet was founded by the American Government you dunce
The Government, not a private company
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>>64661036
You have to understand that not all labor is equally pleasurable. So someone could very easily give up their time to manage the building of a CPU plant, but if the people actually building that plant care about CPUs, they probably don't also care about architecture. And the people who like mining (which I assume is very few) probably don't care about architecture or computer engineering. Money is what keeps these disparate parts working together.
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>>64660328
Capitalism has helped an incredible number of people in the world

Thanks to capitaliism, almost every single american is part of the 1% now while countries that have never really embraced it toil in overty
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>>64661077
>missing the point entirely
Was facebook, youtube, and 4chan also funded by the American government? Were the servers hosting this site built by the American government? Was your laptop built by the American government?
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>>64661190
No, but all of this happened because the US Gov created the Internet
Whether you new age anti Gov hippies like it or not, the Government has always been the prime innovation motor in the history of all of Western civilization.
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>>64660415
From their point of view it´s nazism.
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>mfw Oscar Isaac is now mainstream
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>>64661387
It's literally the opposite of Nazism.
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>>64660928
Lol no. Everything important invented since World War 1 is because of military contracts or an economic incentive.
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>>64661143

>Money is what keeps these disparate parts working together.

No, human organization does. Don't be so fetishistic.
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>>64661447

Not really. Right-wing libertarianism (it was originally a term used by communists) definitely means strong hierarchies.
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Tumblr is ridiculous. I can't even imagine what it must be like to be one of these people. They just discover an actor that's been around for years working hard and they dig up some old photo of him wearing a t-shirt espousing a view they don't agree with and it's some great scandal.

Fucking hell. Why can't these fags just mind their own business. What, it's illegal now to be anything other than a SJW vegan trannie douchebag?
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>5'8

isn't that like the worst height?

you're too short to be a tallfag and too tall for girls who like short guys
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>>64660808
>Anarchist communism
so you're 14
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>>64661447
HE MEANS THE MODERN STIGMA OF NAZISM

OR ANY OTHER LIBERAL BOOGEYMAN, LIKE AN ATLAS SHRUGGED T-SHIRT

>What, it's illegal now to be anything other than a SJW vegan trannie douchebag?
YES, ITS >2016 YOU CIS SHITLORD! I CANT EVEN...
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>>64660563
POE AND FINN SHIPPING TUMBLRINAS BTFO
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>>64660933
>Hey guys I'm a revolutionary anarcho-communist fighting for the proletariat's liberation
>Now read these pretentious books by bougeois intellectuals
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>>64661503
Socialism can only exist through hierarchies, otherwise no one would have the power to manage someone else's wealth. Libeterarianism is the replacement of arbitrary hierarchies with natural ones.
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>>64661054
In his favor I don't think anyone under 300 lbs has ever wore an Atlas Shrugged shirt unironically.
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>>64661577

No girl likes short guys, so that's not really a problem
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>>64661730
Managing wealth is not the same as taking it for yourself, you skunk.
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>>64661773
>they are all brown

And nothing of value was lost.
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>>64660629
>implying private spaceflight companies aren't the driving force of space exploration now.
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>>64661738
I bet Rand Paul has

>>64661475
Go to bed Zizek. No one's going to mine materials to make CPUs without getting money in return.
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>>64661143
This is correct. It's an unfortunate facet of the human condition that in order to get all or even most of the things accomplished necessary for a stable society to flourish (one in which most people's needs and wants are met) we need the carrot at the end of the stick that is money.

It gets people to not just do, but care about doing well important and essential things they possibly might not care about and wouldn't do otherwise.

That being said, fuck you tripfag.
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>talented actor
>Christian
>libertarian

The most based man in Hollywood?
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Come on Cumberbatch or Hiddleston, finish them, they're weak
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>>64661796
>I have the power to determine where your wealth go
>somehow better than giving your money to someone in return for a service without coercion
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>>64661997
>work or starve is not coercion
>this level of mental gymnastics from so called "realists"
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>>64661823
including your virginity shortstack
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Atlas Shrugged summed up

>im smarter than u because i have more money LEL
>laborers are idiots
>laborers deserve shit lives because they are idiots
>if you're not rich, you're a parasite
>if you collect welfare, medicaid, social security, or anything that adds taxes to rich people even a slight amount, you're a parasite
>rich people add the most to society, even if they are exploiting it, because of trickle-down theory
>rich people are geniuses for exploiting everyone else, and deserve to be idolized
>caring about other people is dumb, helping other people is dumb, loving other people is dumb
>you should only care about yourself because helping other people is just a feel good and its a waste of time because You > others
>god doesnt exist and if you believe in god you're dumb
>people who band together (the communists) are anti-individualist and should be killed for having any hopeful ideologies
>fuck everyone except me and my rich parents: the book, the fantasy, the lifestyle
>and fuck god too
>fuck god, get money

It's probably the most bitter and retarded ideology, written as a novel in a fantasy alternate universe.

There's even a 3 hour speech in the middle about why "man is great, god is bad" to be extra edgy.

No wonder conservatives love it. I'm pretty disappointed in Isaac really, but you can tell he comes from a spoiled background.

Context for the comic, at the end of the book, all the 'genius capitalists' remove themselves from society, and only the stupid, idiot laborer average joes like you and me are left, and society crumbles, but the rich folks create a new garden of eden because they are such geniuses, kek.
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>B A S E D

inb4 he publicly apologises and claims to have worn it ironically
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>>64662102
>work or starve is not coercion
no it's a fact of life for every living organism on earth.

working is a convenience, go out and try to survive in the wilderness, then complain about the job you almost certainly don't have.
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American libertarianism may be a little perverted, but I don't see the anger about libertarianism. There's nothing there that legit makes a god out of selfishness. It's simply wanting a limited government. Yeah, free market is a big part of it, but so is keeping government out of social concerns also. There's nothing ridiculous or impossible about classical liberalism. It's been a mainstay view for a long time. It's done us well.
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>>64660257
While I understand the 'anti-collectivist' dream of achieving your individual goals and being rewarded for them, she takes it waaaaaay too far by interjecting her own shitty opinions and shitting on everything else.

God has nothing to do with collectivism.
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>>64662254
libertarianism is too "complex" for those that can only understand simple concepts like "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need"
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>>64660305

All I care about is that she nursed Alan Greenscam into one of the most biased Fed chairmen in living memory, and then laughed from hell as he kept on wrecking the financial system until '08 with his 'sound free market logic'
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>Still falling for le capitalism vs socialism meme
>Not being based fascist

Fucking plebs
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>/v/edditors will now pretend to like and understand annie because of memes
top lmao
reminder that these plebs actually hate her and her work
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>>64662860

My grandfather was a literal fascist who fought for both Franco and Mussolini. The only thing holding me back is the militarism, though.
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>>64661773

SHORT PEOPLE GOT
NO REASON
SHORT PEOPLE GOT
NO REASON
SHORT PEOPLE GOT
NO REASON TO LIVE
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>>64663266
Randy Newman
Singer-songwriter
Randall Stuart "Randy" Newman is an American singer-songwriter, arranger, composer, and pianist who is known for his distinctive voice, mordant pop songs, and for film scores. Since the 1980s, Newman has worked mostly as a film composer. Wikipedia
Born: November 28, 1943 (age 72), Los Angeles, CA
Height: 6′ 0″
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>>64660013
Go to /lit/ and ask about it.

They love to talk Ayn Rand
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