>you will never meet a woman who likes this film
life sucks, sometimes
i didn't say it doesn't, i just meant not many people have seen the movie and of those people few have the attention span or inclination to like such a stylized film. personally it's one of my favorites
>you will never meet a women who likes film
fixed that for you
>just because the film requires critical thought to fully be appreciated,
It doesn't really. You just have to be able to appreciate a visual narrative.
What I want to know is what the fuck is Panos Cosmatos doing next? He's got this one directors credit, and that's it. I would be really interested in seeing more from him.
If you're not watching for the visual language, then you're better off reading a book or watching a play.
cinematograpy was nice and the soundtrack was good but all this movie was (save for the trip scene) was this guy staring at you for 2 hours
>Beyond the Black Rainbow is so accomplished that it’s easy to expect Cosmatos to step into a larger-budget sci-fi project next time out. But the director seems intent on following his own muse, which for the next film will be heavy metal. “This [movie] was my experimental electronic album,” he says. “The next one I want to do will be more like a Black Sabbath record. It will be a bit more propulsive.”
Shit I don't even want to necessarily see something larger budget. Beyond the black rainbow had a reported budget of a million dollars, which is pretty impressive considering what the average movie budget is, and how bland and visually uninteresting they are.
I don't give a shit what he directs, I just want to see him keep working.
i can appreciate silent films, but they in no way impress me. films like btbr require a sufficient level of critical thought, if at all the same should be applied to all films, but thats my opinion.
>but they in no way impress me.
How can anyone not be impressed by Buster Keaton?
I agree that it's a movie you can definitely apply critical analysis to to really get deep into it (the thematic use of reflections, off the top of my head), but its also an audio and visual feast, and can be enjoyed simply as an "experience."
Unless by critical though you mean being able to shut the fuck up and actually marathon a whole movie - in which case I agree.
I get what you're saying. I don't agree 100%, but that might just be my own semantics and autism at work.
The girl in this movie was super cute familia
>that little smile even though you're trapped.
i honestly dont understand what would make a person want to try taking lsd while also in an isolation tank. one or the other is dangerous enough if you're not careful. barry could have just as easily passed out while he was coming up or peaking on the drug, and died.
>The girl in this movie was super cute
No not really, and I understand the distinction and how the two weren't mutually exclusive, but I felt in the case of this movie it really is only remembered far more for its visuals than anything else the movie has to offer.
I don't even think fans of the film would disagree with that
>i honestly dont understand what would make a person want to try taking lsd while also in an isolation tank
theres plenty of stuff i remember it for that aren't visuals
>Nyle's crazy sessions with Elana
>the scene where nurse lady dies
>"DID YOU FUCK HER?"
>everything with Nyle's wife
my friend and I quote this movie all the time
he had a breathing apparatus, its true, but even still, even on just psychedelics myself, i feel my mind slipping. in an isolation tank, who knows what could become of your mind.
>this movie it really is only remembered far more for its visuals than anything else the movie has to offer.
The visuals ARE the story though. It's not just arbitrary shots because they look cool (not all of them). There is plenty of subtext happening in the subtleties of the visual narrative.
I always go to the reflections as one of the first things I picked up on. Everyone else in the movie is shown next to a reflection, be it a mirror, the glass divider, polished marble walls, etc. Except Barry. The first time you ever see his reflection is during his transformation.
Or the duality of man. The entire goal of Arborea was to create a transcended being, but it isn't a clean process, and isn't birthed without blood. Elena is the one they think is it, but shes young and afraid. Her entire life has been spent cooped up, being constantly observed, prodded, tested, etc. With little to no knowledge of WHY she is there. Once she is ready Barry becomes her literal antithesis.
Its like the episode "Skin of Evil" in star trek, where there tar monster was all the negative emotions and tendencies of a race that became transhuman. They shed all the bad parts so they could evolve, and it manifested into a powerful and dangerous entity.
That's barry. He's the predator. Elena has been conditioned her whole life to long for freedom from imprisonment. Once she begins to act on these feeling the devil shows up, to basically force her to adapt or be destroyed. A predator/prey relationship where Gazelles are fast to outrun cheetah, and cheetah are fast to outrun gazelles.
Whatever, there's plenty going on in the movie at different levels.
sorry, i cant articulate myself better than the youtuber who posted it. did you even watch it? i understand and appreciate the psychology of the film and its application to everyday life
Jesus this is the third time someone has posted this video in thia thread. I've seen it, its not as if the psychological undertones are necessarily subtle, even if they're not immediately obvious, but that doesn't change the fact the film is more concerned with its presentation than anything else. And thats fine, no one os calling it or you guys dumb for thinking otherwise, no need to feel so insecure.
>even on just psychedelics myself, i feel my mind slipping. in an isolation tank, who knows what could become of your mind.
That's the point my young padawan. Ego death, and seeing what is on the other side.
It also lets you talk to dolphins. Just ask Pic related, the late, based Dr. John C. Lilly.
have you not learned your lesson or something yet? losing your ego inst necessarily a good thing. its fun to trip out and have a holistic type experience but its not the reaily of realities.
i certainly would not even want to attempt something so dangerous as being in an isolation tank (by itself not so bad), while also not being able to breathe (probably the biggest problem) and being under the influence of something as strong as LSD
If you push yourself too far your mind will break, and youll become like barry, completely insane, psychopathic. i dont like messing around with this stuff, but i enjoyed the film a lot
top. fucking. lol.
of course, the only way to defend this trainwreck is ad homining its detractors into oblivion
it's an empty movie
cosmatos has the subtlety of a bricklayer
he would be a huge success in the music video business
Put these cuts together from the intro.
Slow down buckaroo. I'm not necessarily advocating it, you asked why someone would do it, I told you.
Guys like Lilly, mckenna, leary, and the head's they've inspired aren't called psychonauts for nothing.
Some of those people aren't weekend warriors, they were doctors and scientists that were exploring a new frontier. With their explorations they gained experience, and it formed a foundation that unfortunately was never built on because of "reasons" that range from mundane to top tinfoil.
There's definitely that feedback loop. But you also can't discount the entire shamanistic heritage of mankind that is built around exactly that sort of mind-trip.
And who knows where research could have gone with it if they hadn't put an across the board ban on the whole thing for decades.
That also fits into the theme of the movie, where Arborea is absolutely a former Leary-type. When you finally meet him he's a casualty of his own excesses, and Barry and Elana are like children that sprang from his mind. As much of his schtick was bullshit, there is still plenty of really weird shit happening in the movie that hints at some kind of truth blindly scraped at.
rate my gf she likes this movie
Visuals can literally make or break a movie.
You can have a film with or without dialogue, plot, and story, but you can't have a film without visuals. It wouldn't be a film anymore.
Have you ever seen the film "Baraka"? If so, what did you think of it? If not, watch Baraka and then come here and take part in this discussion. Baraka is a perfect example of visuals making the movie. Samsara also works, but IMO Baraka's better.