Rust plays poker edition.
Lets bully and trick the retarded kids into admitting crimes they didn't commit.
>If you do find anything say you find the truck say you talk to somebody that has seen her or made contact or knows whereabouts or anything, don't touch anything. It's very important, I guess, don't touch anything, get a hold of either the detective or dispatch in Chilton and tell them you're really concerned and you found this and they can take care of getting a hold of what we need to...
Yeah probably. Guy was giving off serious psychopath vibes. Also just listen to how he answers when the detective asks if Theresa was romantically involved with her roommate in the interview. Spurned lover is one of the most common motives for murder. Would at least have been worth looking into, but shitty cops gonna shit.
>No crime scene
>No murder weapon
>No direct physical evidence linking suspect and victim
>Preposterously slim window of opportunity
>Suspect spends five days cleaning the impossibly cluttered murder scene with flawless forensic precision but forgets that his victim's car, with his blood in it, is 50 meters away on his lot and that he has several key evidence items just lying around his house, when he has a convenient and accessible means of disposing of both on his lot
Steven Avery is a shitty person, but he is the only person in history to apparently achieve being both a complete fucking moron and a dastardly criminal mastermind of Hannibal Lecter tier abilities at the same time.
Many things about the case make no sense. Honestly we're all just speculating. The only person that really knows what happened is Theresa and she's obviously not going to tell anyone about it now.
So wait, did they prove that Colburn found the Rav-4 or not? That whole segment was confusing because that seemed pretty conclusively to be proof of a setup. How did the police explain that one?
They couldn't conclusively prove that the sheriff's department planted evidence but they could certainly heavily imply it with what they had. I personally think that alone is enough for reasonable doubt.
[colluding with the prosecution intensifies]
>Old hag gets god guided to the car after spending half an hour on the humongous lot stacked to high heaven
>Steven takes the body to Bones & Bonfires tour before failing to utilize crusher he uses daily
>Despite allegedly gouging deep wounds into the victim's body no blood is found in the house
>Key that's found on umpteenth pass is somehow clean of all DNA except Steven's
>Lenk makes a small mistake regarding broad daylight and pitch black
>Steven's cousin and in-law stories about time also don't match
>Fat crying girl admits her story was an invention on trial
>Retard gets convicted because they call him a liar until he says something completely out of line with scene evidence that he also later recants and despite coercion being filmed and presented as evidence - no one bats an eye
>Episode 4 was directed by M Night Shymalala
What's the point of being a lawyer if the cognitive level of the courtroom is that low?
And I thought Paradise Lost was bad, at least there you could make some sort of presumption despite those kids not being strong enough to do such deep wounds. This shit is gaping hole: the trial.
I'd say that likely culprits are Steven's cousin (other nepphew, right?) and in-law guy + the 'hacker' that 'guessed' her password. I have no idea whether someone investigated a connection between them and I think Lenk and co. simply exploited the turn of events without bothering to find the guilty.
I suggest everyone that liked this to play Phoenix Wright, it won't feel like a caricature of legal proceedings anymore. Have a priest of chaos to set the tone for the remainder of the thread.
>It... it was *sobs* ... look it's Theresa's church in.. in the background *gets a hardon, sniffs*
Perfect choice for the final episode, best gallery of characters I've ever seen.
>What's the point of being a lawyer if the cognitive level of the courtroom is that low?
I thought the same thing. Strang and Buting's talent and efforts were wasted on the hick town.
So who was the most evil person in the series?
My vote goes to Lenk.
Yeah my thoughts exactly. It seemed he was merely acting in a professional manner with the Avery case. His partner seemed more like a true believer though. Then again, they are lawyers and keenly aware of what kind of effect this documentary could have with regard to the possibilty of a retrial.
Seriously though, his strategy was so fucking dumb. There was no possible way that Brendan would be able to string enough sentences together in court to testify against Steven. My personal vote for most hated character goes to this piece of shit right here.
Yeah but still, it IS her grandson. I just cant believe there is such a disconnect there. Also, they lived on the same compound. It was just weird seeing her being that indifferent to him.
How long did a voicemail password have to be back then? I know mine could have probably been easily figured out as I used it for everything and it was only 4 digits.
The deleting messages is what bothered me.
I think she did care, she was there at most of the trials from what I could see. But she looked emotionally and mentally exhausted, so there's only so much you can care and genuinely show it. Also she probably blamed Brendan for incriminating himself and putting Steven deeper in the shit pit, especially with regards to the media.
Oh boy you're in for a wild ride son. Episode 4 is some fucking Twilight Zone tier Shamalamadingong shit.
Someone needs to dub over a montage of DA Kratz with Harvey Dent's lines from The Dark Knight.
>Remember that name you all had for me when I was at Internal Affairs? What was it?
>Two-Face. Ken Two-Face.
All while a pending lawsuit for 32 million is almost guaranteed to him.
Anyways, how bout that asshole questioning him with those loaded statements?
>Why did you do it
>it's ok, we understand
I didn't do it
>But you did, it's all right there. Why Steven!?
It's literally "rabbit season, duck season, duck season, rabbit season" in real life.
Same guy. The ex-boyfriend. The same one who 'guessed' her voicemail password and deleted the messages. I'm guessing they were in some way incriminating to him and proved that he was stalking/harassing her. Also it's a classic serial killer move to put yourself at the centre of a missing persons search when you have no real reason to be involved.
>“I’m the atty. I have the $350,000 house. I have the 6-figure career. You may be the tall, young, hot nymph, but I am the prize!”
be honest who wish to be fucking alpha as this guy?
Did anyone else get a True Detective sort of vibe from this series? With the police conspiracy, the poor hick town, even the intro was kind of similar? Just reminds me that Season 2 of TD should have been set somewhere like Wisconsin.
I'd be surprised if Season 3 doesn't revolve around this case.
>decades long story time
>small town outskirts and endless country
The intro and establishing shots in this documentary already feel more like TD then season 2 ever did.
That's pretty good, thought it set the mood for this series perfectly. Kind of understated and mysterious, but also a little sinister and melancholy at the same time. Which is I guess how you could summarise the whole affair. Anyone know anything with a similar sort of atmosphere?
>I'd be surprised if Season 3 doesn't revolve around this case
has season 3 even been green lite yet...?
>No Crime Scene
Yes this part is true.
>No Murder Weapon
How about the gun hanging above Avery's bed? The bullet found in the garage had her blood on it, she died of a bullet wound, and the bullet was fired from that gun.
>No direct physical evidence linking suspect and victim
If you ignore the key and the blood, there's still DNA found under the hood of the RAV4 that is Steven Avery's and which was found AFTER Brendan Dassey told the police that him and Steven removed the battery from the RAV4 (a fact in the case). That and his gun was the murder weapon.
He called her three times the day she was murdered, including from a *67 phone number. He once went out to see her wearing nothing but a towel. Teresa told her boss she felt uncomfortable going to the Avery farm because of Steven. Steven bought rope and handcuffs the day before Teresa went missing (His fiance was in prison, so it's kinda hard to link it to her). He has a history of sexual abuse against women, and while in prison, you can see all of the horrible notes he wrote to his ex wife even in the documentary.
>Preposterously slim window of opportunity
He had all Halloween night.
>Your last point
The prosecution didn't know where the murder scene was. The garage and bedroom were clearly guesses and were wrong. And Steven Avery is extremely stupid, his whole family is.
Guilty or not, let's get some fucking facts straight here.
Add another le handsome newsman to husbandos. Also you forgot Sandy, she should get her own 'Loyal as Fuck Tier'. Otherwise pretty solid.
I love that this was even made. Thank you /tv/
Lets write Brendon a letter one word at a time...
>Yeah. you Wrestlemania Wrestlemania. Wrestlemania April i ain't Fatass Yeah?
Hmm. Looks kind of similar to this other lady I saw a few times on this documentary that got killed.
>Post yfw he rapes and murders her
>that analitical chemist lady
She was pretty funny
Anyways I don't know if it was edited this way but do all lawyers hit a witness up with "that will be all" right after they say something incriminating or contradict themselves? It's like a lawyers equivalent to a mic drop.
>Doesn't have the guys who already didn't get him set free
>Instead has the woman who has had more (likely guilty but the cops fucked up) people set free than anyone else
Pretty sure he's far less fucked than he was.
My brother is locked up in Wisconsin and he says he definitely isn't. He said he was a "J-Cat" who is getting "June bugged" by the other inmates on his tier. I had to google that shit because my brother is a dumb faggot (obviously as he's in prison) who speaks in gobbledegook now, but it pretty much means he's treated like a crazy retard and made to be the guys in the cells on his floor's bitch. Like he has to get them stuff and clean their shit, so I'm betting someone probably pos'd his boipussy.
Those are classic criminal interrogation techniques used across the country to great effect. Investigators can lie to you, and frequently do, which is why if you are questioned by the police in any kind of situation, you CLAM THE FUCK UP, and the only words out of your mouth are the ones that ask for a lawyer.
That's my biggest complaint, especially in Brendan's case, as juveniles are often given greater rights in such cases due to their limited age and experience. Like I said in a thread a few days back, in the state of Massachusetts for example, juveniles can be questioned by investigative authorities, but AS SOON AS THE JUVENILE BECOMES A SUSPECT the questioning must STOP, a parent or guardian contacted, and then the juvenile is mirandized ON TAPE in the presence of the parent or guardian. THEN the parent/guardian gets time alone OFF TAPE with the juvenile and they can decide if they want to talk/not talk with the police, and if they want to have a lawyer present or not, neither of which was done for brenbren. Now, that's in Massachussetts, I don't know how the juvenile criminal code is in Wisconsin, but it's still really scummy to not contact the parent/guardian and not have a lawyer present.
Lawyers, be they defense or prosecution, are always trying to shoot holes in the opposition's evidence to further their own goals (conviction/acquittal of the defendand) and one major way to do that is by cross-examining the witnesses. They'll have the witness tell their story/what they saw, and then pull out the records and say "but it's fucking documented here that you weren't here until 6 PM, so how the fuck were you there at 12 PM?" and then stop them from trying to explain anything to accentuate the contradiction. It's all about discrediting the witness. If they lied about that, what else did they lie about? It's purely manipulation tactics on the part of the attorneys towards the jury.
Yeah, my brother says most of the prison rape stuff is bullshit but it does happen sometimes. A lot more rare than TV would have you think though.
He was in Green Bay, the same prison. Now he's in FCI Oxford because part of what he was charged with was Federal.
>He called her three times the day she was murdered, including from a *67 phone number
Source for *67 phone number?
>Teresa told her boss she felt uncomfortable going to the Avery farm because of Steven.
>Steven bought rope and handcuffs the day before Teresa went missing
>He has a history of sexual abuse against women
Source? pls nothing to do with the manitowoc police department
Literally google Steven Avery's name.
They were bretty good.
You guys think he would have a better chance if that juror wasn't replaced? Or was the trial lost before it even begun?
The source is Kratz who has access to all of the evidence of the case, and no one is refuting it.
>Guys I like having my head in the sand
I'm not saying he's guilty, but the facts are out their for this case. Look at them before you get all heaped up in some autistic anger on the system and the jurors.
That's not even his natural voice. He is actually intentionally trying to make his voice more "appealing" to the jury. The result is nausea-inducing.
This fucking judge is so full of shit. Denies every legitimate request made by the defense. Seems like he's in on it somehow.
In high profile cases, judges are scrutinized carefully and face political opposition if they appear "soft on crime."
That said, many judges in America are former prosecutors who show heavy favortism toward the government in every case.
Confirmed for being Aaron Rodgers boyfriend, Teresa found out and was going to go to the press, and Aaron Rodgers killed her.
We now know the truth. Aaron Rodgers really really loves killing women.
>hey judge can we, like, point the finger at other suspects?
>nah breh, there really isnt enough evidence to accuse anyone else
>ye but listen man, thats because the police didnt investigate anyon-
>SHUT THE FUCK UP IM IN CHARGE HERE
what a great system
If they brought back the Lovecraft vibe they had in the first season it would be god tier
>Teresa was the sacrificial victim in a secret ceremony involving higher ups in law enforcement and government.
>How about the gun hanging above Avery's bed? The bullet found in the garage had her blood on it, she died of a bullet wound, and the bullet was fired from that gun.
The cops were 8 days inside his house, it's not hard to fire a bullet from his gun.
>If you ignore the key and the blood, there's still DNA found under the hood of the RAV4 that is Steven Avery's and which was found AFTER Brendan Dassey told the police that him and Steven removed the battery from the RAV4 (a fact in the case). That and his gun was the murder weapon.
If police has blood of you, they have your saliva too.
>He called her three times the day she was murdered, including from a *67 phone number. He once went out to see her wearing nothing but a towel. Teresa told her boss she felt uncomfortable going to the Avery farm because of Steven. Steven bought rope and handcuffs the day before Teresa went missing (His fiance was in prison, so it's kinda hard to link it to her). He has a history of sexual abuse against women, and while in prison, you can see all of the horrible notes he wrote to his ex wife even in the documentary.
BDSM is a fucking up fetish but it's there. Maybe he was a kinky guy, who the fuck knows.
Calling from a private number doesn't mean shit, maybe he was a pervert too.
>The prosecution didn't know where the murder scene was. The garage and bedroom were clearly guesses and were wrong. And Steven Avery is extremely stupid, his whole family is.
Took them a real fucking long time until they accepted the fact that the murder scene was not there.
Then they claimed it happened in the garage and didn't find the tiniest droplet of blood ANYWHERE.
Also pretty fucking strange they found her car in 10 minutes when his junkyard is 3000 yards big, and he had a car demolisher too. Why didn't he use that to get rid off evidence?
regardless of guilt we all know Avery was fucked over. All he had to do was piss off the wrong person and it's game over. No matter who you are it could happen to anyone.
ps. Lenk and Colborn are shitstains
but also O'Kelly and Fassbender for manipulating Brendan
I think the police planted evidence, and I'm not 100% convinced that he's guilty, but I'd say I'm pretty convinced, and would have a hard time acquitting him based on the evidence I've seen.
>The sheriff department looks fishy
>That means Avery is innocent! Despite the other evidence that was not tampered with!
This is what happens when you make an extremely biased documentary. I guess this is the reaction they wanted.
>literally everyone in trial is caught between lies
This is coming from a video editor, I know how to tell stories, but those trial videos are literally what happened. You can't falsify that stuff without it becoming incredibly jarring.
Do I think the Manitowoc police is in the clear? No. I think the key was a plant, and I think there's a decent chance the blood was a plant. What's your point? Some cops are corrupt and plant evidence to ensure convictions. This isn't a new story. It's awful but reality.
Wow, so if you tell half of the story, and ignore the other half, then it's not biased? You must work for MSNBC. How about the other 3 hours of Brenden Dassey's interview that they didn't show you or didn't even mention? Where he corroborated physical evidence like Avery's DNA underneath the RAV4 hood and the missing battery WITHOUT police telling him that?
You have to convince a judge that the key and blood were a plant, I'm not a judge. I'm a guy who spent less than 15 hours looking at this thing, mostly from a biased documentary.
Also, mistrial doesn't get you off the hook. All it does is toss out that evidence, and get a new jury. People have been convicted of worse crimes on less information, even without the key or the blood.
>your position on the case combined with the fact that you mentioned MSNBC and not Fox
>I could have mentioned Fox! It makes no difference!
How is it biased when every single testimony is caught in a lie,if not hesitant when the defense calls out their shit.
>test should been inconclusive
>but you fucked up up and just labeled it as Theresa's
>so she can't be placed in the garage
Why don't the police and the justice department want to remove the corruption and cancerous members of their system? Why do they always go full nuclear instead of admitting the possibility of guilt? Wouldn't they have more integrity if they showed a little transparency? For that matter, why can't these authoritarian pricks EVER admit that they are only human and that they make mistakes? They would rather kill or take away someone's freedom FOREVER that admit any wrongdoing? Isn't there just one good cop out there who has the balls to take a stand?
because they're friends and have known each other for years. probably go drinking together, eat dinner at each other's houses, know their wives and kids etc etc. same reason hood niggers dont rat on each other
It makes me wish I was a cop just so I could be a good one. But they would never let me be a cop because I would never follow an order or enforce a law I didn't believe in.
I'm not saying they're intentionally cutting it to look bad. I'm saying they're intentionally leaving shit out.
A 10 hour documentary should be comprehensive and present all of the evidence, not just the stuff that makes Avery and Dassey look innocent.
Are you seriously 15? I watched the same documentary you did. I also was under the impression that the jury didn't really do their job.
Then I fucking spend 10 minutes of research on the actual case. Maybe you should do the same.
>But muh documentary that leaves out incriminating details
WHO TEAM /KRATZ/ HERE? HE DIDN DO NUFFIN WRONG.
That's what really got me. My mind kept placing them in West Virginia or something and every time they mentioned Wisconsin it blew my mind.
Funny how those accents sound down right Scandinavian sometimes too.
You're not getting the point. They do show all the evidence. It's just that evidence is not sufficient to establish guilt in the mind of a non-retarded person. So your defense against this is that showing how it took seven searches over four months to find a car key is "bias". Showing that Theresa Halbach's DNA was not on a key she owned for six years is "one-sided". Noting that the state prosecuted two different and mutually exclusive theories of the crime is "intentionally leaving shit out".
The real issue is you're a fucking moron.
>tfw no one acknowledged it's suppose to be Bob Ross.
They literally did in literally the first episode. (The cat, the incident with his cousin, the tavern robbery.) The three phone thing is just shit that Kratz made up. It was never introduced as evidence. And even he if had called, it still doesn't change the fact that the rest of the evidence is fucking moronic.
>i'll just leave this care here instead of compacting it in the crusher i use daily
>i'll make sure none of my prints are found on the car but my blood is everywhere
>doesn't matter that the evidence seal on the vacutainer containing my blood is cut
>doesn't matter that colborn called in the plate and confirmed the year and make of the vehicle two days before it was discovered
>what's important is some buttmad faggot who thinks a phone call is proof of murder
>They do show all the evidence
No. There is shit that is brought up during the trial that shows Steve to be a scary, borderline retarded hillbilly rapist/stalker but the documentary leaves that footage out
I'm not sure you understand what "evidence" is. Evidence is the content of the state's argument presented at trial, and permitted to be entered at trial. So Steven's mean letters to his first wife aren't evidence. They may suggest he thinks the woman is a cunt, but I think you're a cunt, and I've never killed a third party because I thought you were a cunt. This is the state's evidence:
>blood in car (non-DNA evidence "discovered under the hood latch" was not entered as evidence at Avery's trial; it was entered at Dassey's trial)
>.22 bullet fragment
That's it. That is all Ken Kratz submitted as evidence at trial. And all of it was rendered rather questionable by Deaner & Jer.
He's so clearly an imbecile. I mean, in the truest, purest most technical sense of the word.
Fucking just admitted to murder and wonders if he's going to be on time to his next class to turn in a project!?
Every single level of law enforcement was handled by absolute creeps. I don't care if Steve DID do it, he deserves to be free since they couldn't lock him up properly.
>No, they showed everything. I'm of course basing this off literally nothing because there is clearly evidence that isn't shown, like the calls to her phone, the phone in his burnt trash can, the fact that the bullet was fired from his illegally owned gun, all of his history of domestic sexual abuse, the non blood dna on the RAV4, the hand cuffs and rope purchase
>No, they included all of that
>It's not biased because I'm retarded.
No not the goddamned letters.
THOSE made sense. Hell if I was going through half that shit I would be losing my damn mind too! Let my wife fucking complain about raising the kids while I'm fucking in prison for a rape I didn't do. I'd write some mean shit too.
But you're FUCKING WRONG.
I'm done. This is my last post to you because you are fucking dense as shit.
"Hey look guys I watched the documentary on Netflix and know everything about the case!"
You fucking idiot I can guarantee my left testicle that you didn't even read a news article on what the trial was about. If you did you would know that the documentary didn't show the following evidence used in court:
> The bullet is FORENSICALLY MATCHED to Steven's GUN.
>Steven had possesion of HANDCUFFS and CHAINS from prior relationships.
>The Key actually had DNA OF HIS SWEAT ON IT.
>He calls AUTOTRADER AND ASKS FOR TERESA SPECIFICALLY
Please next time you want to be a Macho Mando do some fucking research.
Who /PRIZE/ here?
>one social worker said he made a comment about oral sex to her before she testified in court and later told her he wanted the case to end so he could go to Las Vegas and have "big-boobed" women serve him drinks. Another social worker said he told her that he thought a court reporter had big breasts. Kratz said this comment never occurred because the court reporter actually does not have large breasts, thus he would never have said it.
>he wanted the case to end so he could go to Las Vegas and have "big-boobed" women serve him drinks
>The Key actually had DNA OF HIS SWEAT ON IT.
That was covered in the show.
Now why didn't it have the victim's DNA on it? Also, where were all of the other keys that would have been with that one? Why did it take eight days to find it when it was sitting out in the open on the floor?
>Now why didn't it have the victim's DNA on it? Also, where were all of the other keys that would have been with that one?
It was a spare key.
>Why did it take eight days to find it when it was sitting out in the open on the floor?
His place was a mess. Possibly it fell out from somewhere or it was overlooked. Not exactly an unprecedented event in an investigation. You need actual evidence it was planted or it remains a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories are not grounds for reasonable doubt.
And here i thought Judi was not an idiot.
>If I'm caught i go jail
>Nine days later Judi is caught drinking and spends 5 nights in jail
on a different note, americans can send people to jail for drinking?
That was surely intentional. I feel like Netflix put together the popularity of the West Memphis 3 story and True Detective and found the right people to put this thing together.
I'm going to think of them when I jack off tonight. Just 4u