Contrary to popular belief, women are not that hard to 'get'. They want to be loved and chased after, but at the same time you can't be overly desperate or creepy. They want someone who is in control and powerful, yet sensitive and caring.
In short, all women want something completely unattainable for 99% of the population.
Men on the other hand, are more often than not simply looking for a good companion. Someone that will just chill out and hang out with them. To many men, lonliness is crippling. When r9k talks about >tfw no gf, they're essentially saying "I wish I wasn't alone. I wish I had a true companion and friend"
>>64627295 You will never understand women. You will never understand the power of the vagina. What makes you think you could ever understand going on in a strong women's mind?? What all men should do is admit they're below us and allow us to run this country to show you pigs the true power of women.
>>64628728 I saw a study once where men and women had to suffer a painful shock, but before they did they had to wait in a room for 20 minutes or so. They had the choice of either waiting alone or with someone else. The women mostly decided to wait with someone else, while the men by themselves. Women don't deal with solitude the same way men do. But what you said about "all women wanting something completely unattainable" really isn't true, there are women with low self esteem as well. If you're referring to how relationships turn out shit mostly, I'd say that's mostly because of how society depicts love and sets higher standards for people.
>>64629774 Not everyone lives on the internet. Just because a guy has low self esteem doesn't mean he browses /r9k/, same thing for women. You're just fitting certain people into certain groups, which is wrong. /r9k/ and tumblerina SJWs don't get together because they're bad at socializing and shit, not because of their political views.
Son, you're pathetic and you've got a completely fucked up notion of "manhood"
You can't just sit on your own in a darkened room thinking "but I can fix cars, why don't girls like me!"
Girls are attracted to bold behaviour, doing something ballsy and courageous, like asking them out. Also, yes of course they're fucking attracted to money, because it shows you can provide for them. You say money is "transient" - only if you're stupid enough to lose it all. Most people do whatever they can to make money and then look after their money, and pass it down to their children, so that money is part of their family for generations.
Jesus Christ kid, stop being so fucking butthurt and get with the times for fucks sake.
>>64631034 Eh, it's just a combination of the values of "self reliance" and "work ethic" taken to a pathological extreme. I struggle with the first one myself, and it is really difficult for me to grapple with the fact that our society is built upon how well one can control social networks. Money is just an easy proxy for that.
tl;dr, women want men who have 'soft power', the power to make others do shit for you willingly.
Source: I'm a 25 year old virgin without a job who ruminates on this shit in a darkened room, I know what I'm talking about.
>>64631034 lel, I own my own business and we have partners and affiliates the country over, some of who have revenue close to $1B US. Yes, that's one billion. One of our partners is that big.
Have fun being loser as fuck people who talk big on the Net, except for the one guy who seemed to be around my age.... Like these people come on here who are like 21 and think because they can buy a $15k car off a lot and a decent apartment, they can hang with the big boys.
You know, it doesn't actually matter I learned. I got into big business when I was about 21-22 and I thought I was a bad ass and I definitely acted like it. There are a lot of people around the world who don't even EAT everyday because there's no food. It doesn't make you actually great even if you got the dough. Maybe when you get 30-35, you'll realize even having DECENT living in a first-world country is better than many people in the world.
Get a fucking life. I also learned that life will fuck you up if you are too heady. Believe you are the greatest too long without having respect. Life will fuck you and show you you aren't shit. Get some fucking respect.
>>64631295 I don't look like an edgy teenager and I did not make a gloomy face while saying that. All I did was say yes, there's no actual point and you might aswell kill yourself if you don't find anything to live for.
>omg this movie is so hardcore >omg such a bdsm kinky sex >omg bondage shit and whipping >omg so nasty movie banned in almost every country >minimum age to see is 21 mega hardcore kingky bdsm bondage sex
>be me >watch movie >ok ok nasty stuff is gonna start soon - i say >be me >halfway movie almost >hmm >be me >wonder where the shit is everybody warned for >suddenly goodbye anestesia goodbye christian movie ends >be me >completely missed the entire sexy time
>>64630272 kek, a girl that liked me sent her beta orbiter to ask me that. The faggot was in one of my classes and kind of forced himself into my group of friends every once in a while. One time he starts talking about her, I tried to change topics but then he just starts to ask those questions out of the fucking blue, in front of my friends. Needless to say, the girl wasn't exactly attractive nor socially skilled.
>>64627295 This series was panned by those people. It was popular with middleaged housewives for the same reason Twilight (this is Twilight fanfic after all) was popular. Vampire, "BDSM", whatever, it's the monster trope. The guy who is "evil" or "dark" to everyone but the specialest special woman who changes him/his heart. It's not hard to understand at all, it's just emotion porn.
Think of it this way-These guys-who would be mentally unstable in reality-are the ultimate fantasy. A guy who's too obsessed with only you to ever cheat or want another woman, who wants to do all the emotional crap most men think are stupid, and will be with you forever. I don't know about guy fantasies, but I guess it's basically the female version of a bunch of hot lesbians wanting you to join in with them, because you're the only guy they'd go straight for?
>>64632537 I only saw the train station scene and Kidmans last line goes something along the lines of "you won't find your peace by avoiding life" made me realise even more how fucked up my situation is.
>The movie is far from a masterwork, but the glossy fantasies of “Fifty Shades” deliver something altogether significant, substantial, and welcome. The trouble with the sex in most movies isn’t a matter of prudery but of a stultifying failure of erotic imagination—and of dramatic imagination. It reflects an inability to think of sex as action and to think of characters as actual sexual beings with the sexual complexity of any ordinary person. You’d think that whoever writes such ignorant gaps into a script, or whoever films such gaps, has never actually had sex—or worse, had never even fantasized about it.
>>64627295 Women's sexuality is so fucking depressing. Find the most alpha, high status male that is willing to rail her and be one of his fuckdolls. Preferably find one already in a relationship and steal him away. A man can fall for a woman for all kinds of reasons, a woman will just want to use her cunt to trade her way up the social ladder. Once sexbots and/or trap surgery is perfected they're toast.
>>64634865 Because it is true. I'm working in a team where everybody else is a women. Every single one of them has a husband or longterm boyfriend.
You don't have any idea how fucking THIRSTY these bitches are, every new guy is being checked out, every "hot" applicant is being shared around for them all to see and comment on.
You go to some place with them after work, every decently attractive dude working at a foodstall or whatever is mentioned. It was shocking at first, now I kinda treat these things as rl horror movies as I watch on the shit unfold.
>>64632633 >I don't know about guy fantasies, but I guess it's basically the female version of a bunch of hot lesbians wanting you to join in with them, because you're the only guy they'd go straight for? That... actually almost makes sense.
But still, the whole "I can change him, make him into a civilized good husband" thing never stops being aggravating. Any time someone expresses that sentiment, I tell them just to read Heart of Darkness, as that would cure them of their delusion, but they never do.
>>64632703 >lol dudes are simple and dum DD" I don't know how this meme started, though it was popularized in standup. I think male comedians needed to win over their female audience a bit more, can't do that by saying women act crazy all the time. So they created this dichotomy of Women (laughably inscrutable and complicated) to Men (laughably simple an unassuming). These both were repeated, but neither are really true.
>>64630165 Actual feminists are a very small group. The internet "feminists" fucking love 50 Shades because they don't actually believe in feminism, probably they just took a course on college. Those "feminists" just want to be trendy
It would be more fair, I think, to say that the system INCENTIVIZES women to pursue this path in many ways, but to say that all or even most women do this is absurd, and would only be spoken by someone who hasn't been with many women and doesn't know anybody who has.
>>64635342 It's extremely juvenile to think you can change people, especially ones that are borderline psychotic. There's a market for that, though, and it's relatively harmless so long as they realize the line between fantasy and reality.
>>64635071 This is true. From what I've seen and heard (anecdotal evidence but whatever), women only really get this way once a certain "critical mass" of them is reached.
Workplace is half women? They'll behave and think like normal, civil human beans.
Workplace only has a few men? Their mental processes start to shift, but they keep it in check to not scare off any of the men.
Workplace is basically all women? There's nothing to compete for anymore, and in that sort of sexual post-scarcity they kind of go insane, as one would expect.
In short, women don't always think like psychotic bitches, they just transform into them when they enter an unnatural (all-female) environment. Men do this, too, of course. But the way men transform is so well-known by our society at this point that it borders on cliche.
I hate women because they don't date nice guys like myself but, isn't the same shti with guys? According to movies, they seem to fantasize with unobtainable girls like the cheerleader currently dating the jerk jock. The poor attempts of giving the cheerleader a sad past or make her sympathetic by blaming the jock for her bitchiness is almost as cringeworthy as the harlequin novels
>>64635570 >it's relatively harmless so long as they realize the line between fantasy and reality If everyone were sensible and reasonable, we wouldn't need laws.
>>64635774 >I hate women because they don't date nice guys like myself but, isn't the same shti with guys?
>is hateful of an entire gender >takes the pseudo-marxist approach of referring to all people in a category as one "united social class >muh harmful media tropes DX
I'm mostly bisexual, and I wouldn't date you either. The female entitlement culture you're mad about is a real thing, but equating "how neo-progressives are trying to convince women they should act" and "how most or all women actually act" is retarded. I'm not saying there aren't women who DO act like that, there are. But there are plenty of women who don't.
>>64635952 I meant that as long as they realize men like that don't exist, then it's harmless. The flipside of that would be ending up in a domestic violence situation and or dead, but you can't really fix stupid either.
>>64637804 Rape fantasies by definition aren't actually rape, because there is consent simply by imagining it-All of which is in your control. There's also, you know, no pain, no chance of injury/death, and no risk of STD. Not hard to understand the difference.
>>64628728 >They want someone who is in control and powerful, yet sensitive and caring.
These traits almost never exist in the same person in real life. People who gain power and control do so precisely because they are less sensitive and caring toward others and chiefly concerned with their own wants. In the same way, people who are sensitive and caring almost never feel the impulse to be powerful or in control of people or situations.
>>64639850 what other fantasies are by 100% disconnected from their reality?
men who have fantasies about being sodomized by trannies - is that just a fantasy? are you ok with getting on with them? men who have fantasies about getting cum on their mouths, just a fantasy? pedo shit, just a fantasy? bestiality, just a fantasy with no relation with reality?
>>64639850 As I've said before, "wanting to be raped" is just a thing that doesn't make any sense. Wanting to be dominated or "roughed around", sure, but how can you "want" to be taken against your will? I understand that you are imaging a scenario where you, in the scenario, don't like it, but you irl do. But that's retarded.
>>64640073 >women who think rape fantasies are fine LITERALLY get off on playing the victim The most unsurprising thing I've ever read.
>>64640321 I don't have rape fantasies, I'm just explaining the difference. I'm not sure how familiar you guys are with fanfiction, since mary sue was apparently a new term for you(?) but the 'rape' in question in 50 Shades is known as the 'rape is love' trope. Completely romanticized bullshit, which happens a lot in slash fanfic, but it also appears in het from time to time.
There isn't any shred of actual 'rape' in these fantasies. The guy either really "loves" the woman (see:disconnection from reality) or loves her afterwards. He "loves" her so much he can't control himself, since this special-special woman is the only woman he want/needs/etcetc. It's not an actual desire to be raped. It's the 'bad boy who only loves me' taken to the most extreme.
>>64639946 >men who have fantasies about being sodomized by trannies - is that just a fantasy? Yes, yes it is, and let me tell you a story about acting on this fantasy.
2 years ago I got super drunk at a halloween party and ended up flirting with this gay guy. I thought it was innocent enough, but he got super fucking serious and horny. I remember going to take a piss, and before I could leave the bathroom he pushed the door in, pulled my pants down and started sucking my dick.
I distinctly remember coming to the realization right then and there, that any fantasy I ever had about sucking a dick or getting my dick sucked by a guy was completely 100% fantasy and not anything I wanted to do in real life.
So yes, things like rape fantasies can be 100% detached from reality. Sometimes something is only hot in theory.
Read the chain of replies. I'm arguing that there are other fantasies that men don't really want to act out on. For me, sucking a dick is one of them. Once you smell another man that close, that's what determines if you're straight or gay right there.
>>64628728 just want to point out that basically, it's the man's decision about whether or not to pop the question. Girl's just don't propose (rare exceptions maybe). and if a girl brings up commitment before the guy's ready... ya got trouble my friend. the guy's got to be down with it. period. the girl can want the ring but can't do anything about it, except make them selves loveable and fun to chase and be given attention by capable and confident guys who can communicate.
>>64644329 equality between men and women does not mean that men and women are the same. men and women can be mars/venus/meme different, but, you know, be paid the same and both be allowed to vote and stuff.
>>64633072 a period fuck is fucking great on the right day of that week. edgy was maybe this guy just obsessing over her and contracting her to his control and not really knowing eachother and I'M GOING TO PULL IT OUT MYSELF... I get you. I don't think my take on it deserves edgy consideration. it shouldn't be looked at as edgy just because (bad writing) the girl is so virginal and inexperienced that his action are
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