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Is the ROTJ 2.0 workprint worth downloading? Is it noticeably improved?
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>>64610554
according to this 1980s usenet user, it will never improve.

"As a decedent S_F watcher, the latest SW movie was a disappointing fard.


The only new features were some aliens (mostly disappointing)
and the sky cycles. The Orkish creatures guarding Jabba's house were
cartoon imitations. Jabba itself was a combination of one of the early
muppets from the first year of "Friday Night Live", and Sidney Greenstreet.
( The setting of jabba's room was reminiscent of the fat man's bar from
Casablanca. ) All the space scenes are now dull, after 6 years of
space-special-effects-exploitation movies.
It has been mentioned that the introduction of characters was confusing,
if you did not see the previous films. But even so, I got the feeling that
someone was acting with a green fozzy-bear muppet in one of the scenes.
NO; this film did not add anything to the genre of SF movies, but just
gave children, producers, and trivial space opera boffos something

to enjoy,
sms"
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>>64610554
- teasing. yeah it's good.
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>>64611164

I see my 80s google group post shall live on. GOOD
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>>64610554
>spending your life "improving" some starshit toy commercial
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>4/2/85

>One of the films shown at the Filmex Fantasy Marathon was "The Empire
Strikes Back", and Irvin Kirshner, the director of that film, appeared
briefly after the film to answer questions. Most of what he said has
come out before, but he did have a few interesting comments.

>1). He was offerred "Return of the Jedi", but declined, and has no
intention of doing any other "Star Wars" movies, should Lucas ever get
around to them. He is hoping to do an unrelated sf/romance film some time
in the future. It will not be a special effects spectacular, as he said he's
had enough of them for one lifetime.

>2). He was displeased with the way RotJ solved many of the problems set
up in TESB, and practically said that he considered RotJ to be a step
backwards.

>3). He confirmed that the plots of the other six films exist in an almost
complete form, but refused to go into details. He also had no news on
when and if Lucas intends to continue the series.
>--
> Peter Reiher
> [email protected]
> {...ihnp4,ucbvax,sdcrdcf}!ucla-cs!reiher

Ayyy.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/net.movies.sw/POw9ITdoF5A
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What was bad about the RotJ edits?

I thought replacing Yub Nub with a galactic celebration (and that sexy new song) was good
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>>64611554
>Vader saying 'no...NOOOO'
>Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw
>Jedi Rocks
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Did they remove the ewoks?
Fuck the ewoks.
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>>64611626

Ah yes

>no Noooo
unnecessary

>Hayden replacing Shaw
not really necessary but not terrible

>Jedi Rocks
worse than the Holocaust
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These old usenet posts are gold.


Worst muppet: the blue elephant - gimme a break.

Worst scene: the mushy stuff with Han & Leia on Endor. Also, the
strangulation of Pizza the Hutt was just not convincing. That chain didn't cut
into Jabba's neck (such as it was) at all.

Best part: when Luke slices off DV's hand, sees the machinery, and then flexes
his own mechanical hand wondering if the Emp is right about his "destiny".

Best joke: when Han is hot-wiring the back door and says "I think I got it", and
another set of doors closes. Thank goodness at least the Millenium Falcon
worked this time.

Although I thought the final confrontation with the Emperor was the best scene
in the movie, I agree with the comments that it was a rather hokey way for him
to go, down the hatch that is. I don't understand why he didn't just turn his
high-voltage arcing on Darth Vader when he lifted him up. He just stood there
frozen, uselessly zapping the ceiling on his way to be dumped. But it was great
the way all the excess blue stuff came splashing back up the well after he hit
bottom. Boy he sure had a lot of it stored up!

RotJ had its moments, but I think my thirst for SW movies has now been
quenched.
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>>64611668
Honestly, if it wasn't for the 'NOOOO' scene, I'd probably let the others go and buy the bluray.

But that change literally destroys the best moment in the entire movie and makes the official bluray version unwatchable in my opinion. I don't like Jedi Rocks or Hayden Christensen in ROTJ, but i'd give them a free pass if it wasn't for Vader being ruined.
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>>64611770
HOW CAN THEY TALK SHIT ABOUT MAX REBO?
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>>64611265
It's gold. It can be the final arbitar to some of these SW debates. - toast to you!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiDRgDmXGi4
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>>64611804
They don't like jizz.
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>>64610554
What the fuck is even this thread? OP asked a question and suddenly usenet posts?
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Jedi is garbage
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willson.uci...@sri-unix.uucp
6/29/83
From: Stephen Willson <[email protected]>

For some reason, this discussion has switched over to sf-lovers and out
of movies. For those of you who read movies, but not sf-lovers, you
missed some interesting stuff from Jim Hester about Jedi.

Anyhow, I agree with Hester's ideas. His plot improvements and complaints
are quite good. Also, Marshall's observation that the emporer was so intent
on frying Luke that he didn't respond to Vader's attack quickly enough
makes sense to me.

I liked the Star Cruiser smashing into the Death Star II too.
(Question: will there be a Death Star //e?) But I thought the process
photography for that particular shot was a bit cruddy.

But let's face it. This movie was made only for the effects. George
has lost it. My friend Paul, who is a student at USCinema, quoted one
of his teachers to me once. This teacher said, "Old directors don't
die, they become cinematographers." What that means, is, when old
directors lose their story-telling ability, they start concentrating on
the imagery. George has clearly lost his story-telling ability.

We'll have to see about Spielburg... (He's my other hope.)
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Jedi sucks who gives a fuck
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>>64612028
yeah I'm really confused, haha
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>>64611626
I always thought it was uncle Ben as a kid because it looks nothing like vader
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>>64612053
This nigga knew.
Kershner getting axed and Kurtz being driven so insane by George that he walked were already common knowledge in the fandom by the mid 80s. My dad would walk in an shit talk Jedi whenever I played the tape.
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>>64611164
A cartoon imitation
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>>64612053
>Old directors don't
>die, they become cinematographers." What that means, is, when old
>directors lose their story-telling ability, they start concentrating on
>the imagery. George has clearly lost his story-telling ability.
Old directors don't
die, they become cinematographers." What that means, is, when old
directors lose their story-telling ability, they start concentrating on
the imagery. George has clearly lost his story-telling ability.

Holy shit, I'm stealing that.
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>>64612108
Well if something is clear is that this is now a Jedi hate thread.
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COME BACK SHANE!!!!

"Saw RotJ last night and have to admit I was *extremely* disappointed. Lots
of good stuff, but too much silliness. This may sound strange, but I felt
it to be much less 'real' than the first too. my credibility is willing to
be stretched pretty far, but not that far. I'll flame away for a while and
then get to the stuff I liked and a conclusion. Some examples...
The creatures! Way too many FAKE-looking creatures. Especially in Jabba's
den. That blue smurfy thing really bothered me. Also the 'orc-like' creatues
that greeted visitors to Jabba-- big soft things with dull teeth and flab.
The guy with the tail growing out of his head was good, though. I was also
disappointed in Jabba, himself. Looked like an overgrown hefty bag with fake
eyes. Nice job on the tongue, though. There were simply too many muppets and
soft-looking creatures, especially for a den of villainy.

Princess Leia sure took being chained to Jabba, the epitomy of slime, pretty
well, casually sleeping against him when Luke walked in….Conclusion. It may sound from my flames above that I didn't like RotJ. This
is not true. I truly enjoyed it, but I was disappointed because it left the
spirit of episodes IV and V. It was simply TOO CUTE to 'be believed'. I am
afraid that I will not pay to see this movie again, as I did SW (17 times)
and TESB(12 times), at least not in the near future. Oh, well. I hope that
Episodes I-III and VII-IX (if they are made) return to the spirit of adven-
ture that was in SW and TESB, but seems to be lacking in RotJ.

Flame away!

Shane"
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The old usenet posts are hilarious but I really hope someone seriously responds to OP. I want to know which version of ROTJ despecialized is worth downloading.
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>>64612240
How did they even formulate opinions comparing to the other two if they didn't have a way to rewatch it yet? Or did they had constant TV reruns?
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>>64612240
>I did SW (17 times)
>and TESB(12 times)

kek, and I thought people were fucking dumbasses for seeing Force Awakens 4 times in 2015.
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>>64612240
I miss flames, flaming, flame wars, flame on, now it's all just shitstorms

>>64612354
Videotapes, sic transit gloria mundi
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>>64612324
Serious answer is download the work print, there's a large approx 19 GB iso file out there. It's good.
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>>64611164
>Friday Night Live
Kek
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>>64612354

In the other 1980s thread (with the Vader pic) someone posted this.

---------


Rick Hawkins

6/22/84


>Can anyone give me a source for obtaining video cassettes (VHS) of the
>Star Wars sequels The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi? I am
>aware that they are not released in the usual fashion, so no flames or
>mail telling me they're not available, please! I know they're out there
>in netland somewhere for the right price (which I am willing to pay), and
>that it's just a matter of locating a source. They're probably under wraps
>but I'm hoping to shake one loose!

You are asking for a flagrant, solicited violation of US patent law. This will
not be a case of harmlessly or unknowingly posting material to the net. There
is no legal question here except that of exactly which crimes the prosecutor
will choose to charge you with. So far, the only one that I am aware of is
solicitation of an illegal act. Anyone who assists you will be an accomplice
at best.

hawk
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>>64610554
I only noticed the Vader's eyebrows in the end, they were awfully edited in the 1.0 and now are much more natural
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>>64612476
literally my sides
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>>64612476
Wow, 80's anons were fucking faggots
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>>64611798
You need to buy the 2004 collection, my friend.
http://www.amazon.com/Trilogy-Empire-Strikes-Widescreen-Edition/dp/B00003CXCT

Has all the good to okay edits while being released before Lucas dragged his balls over the OT with the Blu Rays.

If you ever trust a fellow anon, let this be that time.
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>It was a messy movie. The action was forced, rather than
novel and sustained. Lots of busy work. It did answer a lot
of questions though--leaving some new ones. One thing which
I find curious is Luke's grasp of the force. He seemed
unable in several cases to use it on lower animals--whereas
Obi Won seemed to be able to charm the beasts well enough.
Do we know any more about Jabba? He certainly was a separate
species. Darth Vader as Dark Father was, now, obvious in the
extreme. Your question as to why Vader dealt with Leia
differently during her torture seems to hold up. She was not
only his daughter--though he didn't know it, but she
possessed some rudiments of the Force, maybe (we don't know
anything about the female use of the force--it might be a
sex-linked trait, passed through but not given to the
females).

>So. Vader lost his arm in a dual with who? The emperor? What
was all that before about falling into a volcano? Can you
duel with yourself and fall into a volcano? (mentioning the
previous info we had about Vader and why he was in his iron
lung). Who was the actor that played Vader in the end... I
didn't seem to see him in the credits.
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>>64611164
I mostly agree, the whole Jabba sequence is just too silly especially compared to the darker sleazy aesthetics of the Cantina in A New Hope.

Return of the Jedi in general pisses me off, especially the concept that Vader gets to be a Force Ghost just because he saved his fucking son.
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>>64610554
GET IT
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>>64612476
Holy shit, that's hilarious! That guy would have a heart attack if saw a YIFY thread.
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>>64612600
>she
>possessed some rudiments of the Force, maybe (we don't know
>anything about the female use of the force--it might be a
>sex-linked trait, passed through but not given to the
>females).
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>>64612476
Hawk would have a fucking heart attack if he saw my hard drive.
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>>64611265

Thanks for sharing that seriously, it's made my fucking night. Do you know how I find different topics, maybe non-Star Wars related?
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>>64612628
more caps
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>>64612712
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>>64612628
>>64612712
Oh good, someone in this thread has watched the workprint. Are there any obvious flaws? Since it's a workprint I'm sure Harmy made some fuck ups.
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>>64611532

http://lasr.cs.ucla.edu/lasr-members/reiher/index.html
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>>64610554
Get it because it's been scrapped so he can work on the 3.0 versions (all sources composited together will be HD ie no more glorified laserdisc master) of the whole triology.
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>>64612710
Same here! Thanks!
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>>64612744
Post Shawn's eyebrows
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>>64610554
>fan edit
>workprint
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Why does anyone download these?
I understand the differences and whatnot, but does anyone actually transfer them to discs?
To me, SW is one of those series I like to have physical copies of.
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>>64612754
theres a few scenes that are blurry for some reason, one that comes to mind is the part when Han and co are approaching the planet to land is going to the planet. The colors are still good though, but the focus isnt crisp.
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For fuck's sake.

>Lastly: What kind of name is "Anakin", anyway? "Luke" is pretty obvious ("Lucas" > "Luke"), and I recall lots of speculation years ago on "Obi-Wan" in SFL, but "Anakin"? "Yoda" is pretty obviously derived from the Eastern psychic master business of "yoga" or a "yogi", but what are the Jedi/psychic connotations of "Anakin"?

>Will Martin

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/net.movies.sw/rotj/net.movies.sw/ssfzdg-xcCw/fda4ef6tHgAJ
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>>64612935
Burning this shit to disc is pretty easy. You just need to buy some burnable blu-rays.
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>>64612754
there's actually quite a lot of fuckups, theres a list in the harmy thread somewhere but safe to say its like this:

if its just you watching and you don't mind trading in a lot of small blemishes(wrong effects, ghosting, the timestamp, frames out of place, color grading changing between scenes) for really nice image quality do it. I wouldn't use it to show my friends and harmy should be done soon*.
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>>64612944
for the most part just enjoy it. Don't expect 100% perfection.
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>>64612435
>I miss flames, flaming, flame wars, flame on
Me too anon
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>>64612979
>harmy should be done soon*.
Really? How soon is soon though? I wouldn't mind waiting a month but if he won't be done until Spring then I'll just download the workprint.
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>>64612587
>omg lifehack advice for you anon epic
ANY release before the 2012 is missing that change.
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No, the final is almost finished.
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the colour looks really off in a few shots. Is it just me? For the most part it's good though
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>>64612973
This fucking guy.
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whoops
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>>64612978
I know.
Most people don't own a dedicated disc burner though.
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>>64613113
that's what high motion looks like in 24fps, what's wrong?
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>>64612476
Based hawk. Trolling niggas before it was cool
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>heli...@rochester.uucp
>6/23/83
Luke's appearances in future SW movies I think we should all assume that the time span between each mini-trilogy is much greater than that between the three movies so far. Thus, since it is claimed that different (human) actors will be used for the other movies, there ought to be at least a generation or two between episodes 6 and 7 (and 3 and 4), or possibly a lifetime, if your theory about Luke as a hologram is correct.

>Jim Heliotis

>P.S. I sure hope Lucas makes more; I intended to celebrate my 50th birthday by attending an all-day Star Wars marathon!

AHHAHAHA FUCKING NERD!!!

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/net.movies.sw/rotj/net.movies.sw/w8lCKuNZQac/QEWG1yejBj4J
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>>64612935
>wathching films on shitty players
>not superior mpv/mpc+madvr setups
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>>64613113
Where are her nips?
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>>64613255

Man, without links I'd think you guys were making this shit up, but holy hell.
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>>64613255
- delicious.
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>>64610554

Fuck "Harmy Despecialized Edition", they're all shitty. Wait for Disney to put out remastered versions of the originals.

This is a time machine thread now, ENJOY IT. The reactions of our forefathers to the movie is better than watching a jerry rigged version of the movie.
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>>64613250
I don't think he's trolling.

>>64613255
>AHHAHAHA FUCKING NERD!!!
Almost made me piss my pants, anon.
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OP here, I'm happy to see this has turned into a usenet thread.
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>>64613255

I really like Georgie boys hair.
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>>64613255
http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=389266

>Not at all a good professor. Won't explain the concepts clearly. He himself gets accustomed with the subject along with the students. On top of that he is a tough grader. Get ready to get yourselves screwed for life. This is my personal opinion though!

He should understand that Jim was a hardcore Star Wars nerd in the 80s, and now when he's 50 he has to suffer through the prequel. Man takes his to his students.
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>>64613297
too blurry
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test
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>>64613339
It makes you wonder if in 30 years people will be skimming through 4chan archives being absolutely amazed at all of our retarded shit without reading enough to understand that most of it are jokes.
>They really liked black guys didn't they?
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"Before we shut down this newsgroup for a while, does
anyone know anything about the *official*, *legal*
release of TESB or even ROTJ? … there was a syndicated story in
the local newspaper last winter to the effect that
Lucasfilms (or Lucas?) has decided to *never*
release TESB or ROTJ to the disk, video cassette,
or cable markets. They expect to make more $$$$
over the long term by re-releasing 'em every few
years just to the movie theaters, for the next
generation of kiddies (and those of us who never
grow up)... This is exactly what Disney does
with their premier feature-length cartoons (e.g.
Snow White).

So does anyone have reliable information on what the
status of these 2 films is? Where can we obtain a
printout of Lucasfilms' battle plans??" -Ron.

DAMN, how do I answer Ron???
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>>64613432

Man oh man, if only these 80s anons knew.
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>>64613432
>will never be released on disc
Oh, Ron.
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>>64613432
Send him something to his email.
Might be shouting down an empty hallway, but at least you tried.
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Star Wars, stop fiddling with it
1 post by 1 author
AD SPINK

6/6/94

Just leave star wars alone, no amountt of technical jigger pokery is going
to improve it and nobody needs more films after Jedi. although I can predict
more Star Wars and rereleases with perhaps 2 minutes of changes, just to
make a fast buck.
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>>64613255
There's a good chance Jim lived to be subjected to the prequels. Poor Jim.
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>>64613622
This was pre-SE.
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>>64613658
I wonder how many of these 80s anons are dead.
At least a few of them have to be.
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>>64612710
>>64612796

Just google usenet/BBS archives

A lot of good stuff was lost but you can still find some interesting shit. I particularly like reading the reaction of DB fans finding out that goku was an alien.
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Landon Noll
12/29/83
i thought that the ending of the ROTJ was dreadful. the film makers
stooped to a "Walt Disney" style "all-smiles" ending, just like the
first Star Wars movie ending!

a better ending would have been to cut the movie right when the second
Death Star explodes. Just freeze frame the explosion and roll the credits.

just before the explosion show Luke getting away before the Death Star's doom.
(a nice contrast to Vader's escape). omit the bit about Han resolving
the "love triangle", or put in earler in the movie. have Han find out
that: Luke is in the Death Star that is just about to be blown up,
and insert the "he is my brother" text.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/net.movies.sw/rotj/net.movies.sw/4ZLuDlIMMl0/0q0yDN7OpqwJ

------

What a retarded idea. Glad to see people of today posting on 4chan are as stupid as people of 1983 posting on usenet.
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>>64613658
I think this is Jim: >>64613377
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Not Star Wars related, but I got a kick out of it.
James Cameron Auteur?? (was SPIDERMAN MOVIE??)

dam...@cs.vu.nl (Mungra DA) writes:
: WHat is wrong with having a fascination for JC ?
: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!! He is one of the few people in Hollywood
: with TRUE VISION!!
:
: Everytime I watch the Terminator I discover something that I
: had not noticed before. Same with The Abyss and Aliens.
Not only was T2 an awesome, two bags of popcorn movie, I was amazed at
some of the themes that Cameron had managed to insert into the film. No,
its not a "Casablanca" or a "Citizen Kane", but I definitely noticed
Cameron working out some personal issues in the film.

After having done T(1), Aliens, and The Abyss, I noticed an almost reckless
abandon with his characters in T2. For instance the Model 101's (okay,
arnie) solution to most predicaments: just take the bullets. Is that any
way to treat (one of) your protagonist(s)? I took that imagry to suggest
that Cameron is a little weary after all these rather destructive movies.
I was also very pleased that the authorities made someone answer for
incredible amount of destruction of property in the first movie. Alas, it
was Mom O'Connor, which I took to mean that not only is Cameron weary of
these movies, but its making it increasingly difficult for him to make
something smaller scale, but more emotionally ambitious. Then there is
Sara's dream, or rather, her epiphany, that "It doesn't have to end this
way." Cameron seems to say, must I end the film with massive destruction
to property and life and limb? And finally, with the second terminator
being voluntarily lowered into the firey pit, he was bringing to a close
this particular style of film. Yes, he'll still make the rock'em sock'em
action pic, but maybe half the *dialogue* won't consist of gunfire.

--
A.J. Madison
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>>64613772
That could literally have been posted yesterday.
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Fuck I'm dying.


11/24/93


James Cameron Auteur?? (SPIDERMAN MOVIE??)

I also happen to love Jim Cameron. He knows how to throw in enough twists
and turns in action to really keep you riveted (the best example of that
being T2, IMO his best yet).
But what I really like about him is the fact that he takes a sledgehammer
to the 'damsel in distress' archetype that has been clogging up action
flicks since day 1. In both Ripley (Aliens) and Sarah Connor, Cameron gives
us women that fight and save the day rather than being fought for (or over)
and having to be saved themselves by the virile hero. He also has great taste in women. His real life partners sre impressive ;produces Gale Anne Hurd,
with whom he made Terminator, and subsequent life partners
were director Kathryn (Near Dark) Bigelow (whose movies do
seem to have something in common with Cameron's)
and later on Linda Hamilton (after T2).

- Price
I'll be back.
fo...@vnet.sanjose.ibm.com
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>>64613887
People wrote nicer back then
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>>64613940
People had usernames back then, faggot.
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>>64613966
you fucking wanna go you cunt?
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>>64612476
some things never change
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>>64613966
People still do......on reddit
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>>64613996
Give me an address motherfucker.

>>64614028
>tfw you realize Reddit is how people naturally act on the internet and have done so since the fucking 80s
Are we the weird ones?
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>>64614064
>Are we the weird ones?

yes
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>>64614064
21 Bret Bay, Manitoba

I'll be waiting for your panzy ass
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>>64614147
>Manitoba
Implying a fucking Mape could do anything.
I bet you leave your front door unlocked, dumbass.
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>>64614171
Well yeah, there's nothing to fear to here
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>>64611626
this
and the funky alien singing gibberish

other then that the edits weren't bad and really aren't too noticeable
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>>64613012
dat ass jebus
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>>64614227
I'm coming for you, so there is now bitch boy.
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>>64611863
POST VOCARRO
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>>64614284
You don't fucking scare me nigger

I'll be ready.
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>>64614262
black women are know for it anon
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>>64613339
Even a 4K restoration made from the negatives will never be as good as Mike Verta's Star Wars Legacy.

They won't clean up the prints with laser, they won't make dirt maps for each frame and manually remove them, they won't look for color blobs and fix them, they won't be in contact with the original crew who did all the special effects.

They will just scan it, apply incorrect colors and shitty DNR. Scenes lile the sandcrawler shot, or the shot of Luke and hewasagoodfriend.exe's speeder crossing Mos Eisley right after highground.exe's mind trick will look grainy and terrible in any official restoration.
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lOOKS REALLY GOOD DESU
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>>64614064
>Give me an address motherfucker.
I knew a guy who did this ~10 years ago over an argument about a CS match. Drove across the state, found the kids highschool and beat him up. He felt bad afterwords and gave the guy a ride home.
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>>64614427

From Mike Verta's FAQ:

>Ur a stoopid looser Gorge Lucas CREATED these flms he cAn do watEVr he wants!!! fanboy faggit!!

Thanks for playing.

>Well, you could say that Han shooting first was just a "production mistake," like not putting Jabba in the movie. Where do you draw the line? Seems like a very difficult distinction to make.

I agree. And if you'll forgive me, I think it takes a person with 1) an artistic sensibility and understanding of drama and 2) a master of the Star Wars aesthetic. I like to think I have both of those qualities.

...

Damn, Mike Verta's got a bit of sass and a lot of confidence.
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>>64614701
This guy has been restoring Star Wars for over 15 years. He started with Laserdiscs and otherwise terrible copies and prints, and by the end of his restoration he was using pristine prints, including Technicolor prints.

This guy recreated the original master negatives' film grain by comparing the grain of each print and extracting what it was on every copy. He rebuilt each frame by taking information of each respective frame of each print he had, while being careful about not to "enhance" or "fix" the image. He did not do a neutral scan of each print, he scanned each print by taking all the available color information (so the raw scans has like, for example, too much red than what it appears in the print at eyesight) and then manually color corrected.

Look at his videos on Vimeo, or his thread at OT.com. The guy's our only hope.
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Where do I download this v2.0 from? Also, what is this Team Negative1 stuff? Where do you download that?

Also captcha: 1337
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>>64614861
He may be going too far in a few places.
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>>64614903
team negative1's scans are only available on private trackers.
Harmy's Despecialized Editions can be found on pretty much any public tracker.
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>>64614958
where?
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>>64615007
Your entire second fucking paragraph.
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>>64615033
He's another anon, dude. I was the one who posted the info.
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Rodger Moore

11/22/1983


A glib facsimile
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>>64615001

Thanks anon. I did some digging and it seems like MySpleen is the place to go for this kind of stuff. Just made an account on originialtrilogy to ask around for one. Maybe I'll get lucky lol
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>>64614147
>21 Bret Bay, Manitoba

Which one is it?
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>>64615161
Wait until you find the WOWOW version of Raiders, a 1080p scan of a 16mm Technicolor print of Song of the South, a DCP of Back to the Future without the EE, DNR and crappiness of the official BD, and more stuff.

I'm still waiting for the eventual scan of a 35mm Technicolor print of "Star Wars" that is in the making. Pic related.
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>>64615305

>a DCP of Back to the Future without the EE, DNR

Sounds pretty based. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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>>64615305
You are asking for a flagrant, solicited violation of US patent law. This will
not be a case of harmlessly or unknowingly posting material to the net. There
is no legal question here except that of exactly which crimes the prosecutor
will choose to charge you with. So far, the only one that I am aware of is
solicitation of an illegal act. Anyone who assists you will be an accomplice
at best.
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>>64610554
It's most interesting seeing how they made it than the end product
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>>64615363
Shut up nerd
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>>64614861
inb4 the a word
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>>64615354
I haven't downloaded it, mostly because it's like 40GB in size and it's not a great improvement in terms of video quality, although it does not suffer some glitches the BD has on fast-moving shots with background lights and stuff.

The WOWOW of Raiders looks nice, without the orange tint of the BD, but I think I have heard it's still not a good representation of how Raiders could look given a wonderful preservation. Could I be wrong, through maybe my memory is playing games with me.
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>>64615449
You are asking for a flagrant, solicited violation of US patent law. This will
not be a case of harmlessly or unknowingly posting material to the net. There
is no legal question here except that of exactly which crimes the prosecutor
will choose to charge you with. So far, the only one that I am aware of is
solicitation of an illegal act. Anyone who assists you will be an accomplice
at best.
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>>64615427
you mean autism?
but anon, how else future generations will enjoy "Star Wars" in all its glory?
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>>64615478
I know where did you get that copypasta, do you think creating memes from 30 years old Usenet posts is funny?
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>>64615498
As fuck.
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>>64615305
I would eat shit for a week to see a 35mm technicolor print projected of empire
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>>64615707
>you can buy a reel on eBay right now
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>>64615707
Star Wars was one of the last films to have Technicolor prints, and only because Technicolor's plant in UK was still operative up until 1979 iirc.

RotJ had low fade prints, Empire maybe had one too.

Nevertheless, Technicolor prints aren't perfect. They're grainier than regular prints (but since Technicolor prints are of lesser generation than theatrical prints, it is compensated), and they have their own particularities with color, from what I have heard.

Still, it looks damn good, even if a very high quality 4K restoration, or Legacy, looks better.
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>>64615481
Yeah that's the word I was referring to. I agree with you though, I'll always choose the despecialized versions with whatever imperfections they may have over the blurays.
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So what's the absolute best indisputable highest quality version of Star Wars out there?
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>>64614513
The holograms have always looked low quality.
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...So, why would I want TeamNegative1's scans?
Sure Harmy has missed some special edition changes and are still in but the video is grainier.
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>>64615828
Legacy.
Will not be available to the public because Lucasfilm warned MVerta. There's still hope they will use it for a restoration.

Recently the Library of Congress has been asked by Disney to make a 2K scan of one of the prints the Library has. It seems Disney would use it as a reference for an eventual restoration, which seems to be on their future plans. They haven't made any move against Harmy given the nature of the project, however they would be very pissed if Legacy, which has more than enough quality to compete against professional restorations, were released to the public. There has been rumours of Disney having wanted to release the OUT before TFA, but for whatever reasons they have posponed them for 2017, "Star Wars"'s 40th anniversary.

In any way, Viriot from stevehoffman's forums worked for Lucasfilm in the 2000s and confirmed that, despite the degradation of the negatives, it still still possible to use 99% of the negatives for a professional restoration, with the remaining 1% being sourced from first generation interpositives.

Still, even an official restoration will probably not look as good as Verta's Legacy. They won't work at every single element of every single frame with the same knowledge and passion and interest Verta had, nor they will contact the original crew for information.
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>>64615870
The earlier workprints are very grainy, but they have improved over time by automatic clean up, manual clean up and just using better prints. The overall look is also nice, sometimes I go back to Harmy's and I found it painful and less funny.
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>>64616030
>will not be made available because lucasfilm warned MVerta
Then how do the despecialized editions stay up?
I'd say those are cutting in on Disney's sales worse than any restoration could.
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>>64616154
They know about Despecialized, but given the nature of the project, they mostly give it a pass. Harmy is still releasing them in 720p and using SD sources, but even when he will eventually switch to HD only sources and 1080p, Despecialized could never look as good as an official 4K-made restoration, even if the official restoration pales in comparison against Legacy.

Nevertheless, the situation is tricky. Harmy is using private sources now (he was given Sebastian Shaw's eyebrows from a private 4K scan of RotJ), sometimes even he has access to internal sources (he posted a photo of a raw frame of the official scan of RotJ in the forums), even if he doesn't use said internal sources for Despecialized. So, how knows.
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>>64616030

Was this Legacy edition for just A New Hope or for all three?
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>>64616030
>Disney restoring Star Wars only in 2k
Sounds like bullshit
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>>64616364
>They know about Despecialized, but given the nature of the project, they mostly give it a pass.
That makes no sense financially.
More people will download the DE because "muh childhood memories" than they will a version that has a higher resolution.

As for what Harmy is doing and how he's doing it, nothing but respect for the guy.
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>>64616403
Verta is not a fan of ESB and RotJ. He likes them, he can enjoy them, but he's in love with SW. It seems that movie changed his life a d made him pursue a creative career.

So, Legacy is limited to SW, but he has said that, if he has access to pristine prints of ESB, he may reconsider it.

>>64616428
Considering their atrocious record for their BD, it's not really hard to believe.

Anyway, I said "2K scan as a reference". They won't actually use it other than "that's how the movie looks".

>>64616434
You will be surprised as how many Lucas apologists are out there, or how many people would be happy with a SE-based release that eliminates the worst changes such as Hayden, NOOOOOOO, Jabba in SW and all that stuff.

It will probably hurt their sales a little, but consider that we're talking about a movie whose original theatrical cut is completely unavailable. Disney knows this, they know there's a market for the OUT, and since Fox still retains distribution rights for V and VI until 2020 (and SW forever), they aren't pursuing legal actions.
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>>64616588
I guess you're right.
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>>64616588

Thanks for the info. I'll be paying closer attention to news on all this restoration stuff from now on.
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>>64610554
Now that SW is with disney the lawyers will take action. say bye bye to these guys.
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>>64616761
You know that Disney has owned Lucasfilm for over three years at this point and no one has gone after Harmy?

Disney is aware of how popular the despecialized editions are and to go after them without providing an alternative uncut release would earn the ire of many of the fans.
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