Why does Kylo get so much stick? What is the actual reason

the temper tantrums that were played for laughs

>>64598679
>phone posters
REEEEEE

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>character from the prequels
>still a beloved character

;-)

> see it today
> Kylo Ren takes off mask
> he's an ugly jewish lanklet who gets cucked by Lena Dunham on the regular

Best moment of the movie, he's a literal sperglord fag and now that spotify playlist makes sense.

>>64598771
Pretty sure only the second tantrum was played for laughs.
Even so
>Implying a Star Wars movies has to be completely serious

Get lives you dismal fucks.

>>64598795
>Reddit

>>64598679

Kylo was hyped up to be this badass prior to launch, and when it was revealed that he is a giant crybaby, it was too late to unbuy all the Kylo Ren merchandise. Basically Jar Jar 2.0.

>>64598679
No one likes the prequels outside of memes
and he was shot in the side. People need to get their eyes checked.

>>64598825
His Character in the prequels is a lot more memorable

They see a whiney loser emo kid and realize he is just like them.

>>64598679
Because normies wanted a discount Vader in their discount ANH. He was the most compelling of all new characters

>>64598947
>obi-wan in the prequels
>character

lel

>Basically set up to be the new Vader
>Literally commander of the Death Star 2.0
>Trained for years under a dark lord
>Can't even beat a Mary Sue who just picked up a lightsaber for the first time in her life

>>64598679
The scene where he says "That lightsaber! It belongs to me!" and Finn answers "Come and get it!" is the second best scene in the movie. Don't fall for the spergers tantrums, OP.

if you hate kylo you are literally reddit

>>64598970
So why do normies not like him? You didn't even begin to address the questions

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>>64598992
>>64598825
>prequels are bad
>VII is better

>>64598679
They should have shown his face more in the commercials to avoid the shock. I swear I heard people laughing loud in the cinema the first time he took out his mask.

He's not even that ugly, but he doesn't have the face to cause a good impression. Specially if it caughts you by surprise. If he had been a minor or chill character, there would be no problem. Maybe some /tv/ memes. But he is also an angry emoboy so there's that.

>>64598995
At no point was I lead to believe he was "the new Vader" and if you thought he was you're probably an idiot.

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>posted from your iphone
>via 9gag
>one moment killing the fact that obi-wan was a beloved character for years before the shitty prequels that everyone hated were made
This is a bait thread
Or on /v/, an LOL thread; /tv/ edition.

>>64598997
I WOULD GO SO FAR AS TO SAY WITHOUT RESTRAINT THAT IT IS THE BEST SCENE IN ALL OF CINEMA

>>64599059
They all like him until he takes off the mask. Up until that point he literally is discount Vader with his mask and robotic voice but then we find out it's just some loser with a tryhard act.

Most people hated it and thought it made him a bitch, I liked it because it's an interesting take on a villain and probably the only original idea in the movie

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>13 Posters
>No one noticed the 9gag watermark
Fucking small Guys

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>>64598907
>phone poster calls someone else reddit

>>64598842
>getting cucked by lena dunham


reeeeal loss there bud

>>64598995
he had the upper hand, and that is despite being rekt both physically and emotionally.

and i like to pretend the force ex machina thing did not happen

Speaking of which, why didn't Kylo blew up when he got shot with the Bowcaster?

Did he use "Force Dark Armor" to lower the damage by 5 and cancel the crit knockback, or was it just bad writing?

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>>64599187
>>64599072
You blind anon?

>>64598995
Mary Sues tend to be hard to beat, since they are OP.

>>64599276
Will he rekt Rey at full health in episode VIII

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>>64599351
Fucking shitlord.

>>64599187

Maybe people wanted to talk about the shit post itself instead of the shit site that you came from and love you fucking 9fag redditor piece of shit cocksucker

UH OH

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>Anakin spouts the some mopey linkin park lyric soliloquies
>Reaction: "lol what a fucking emo!" for a decade

>When Kylo does.
>Reaction: "DEEPEST CHARACTER OF ALL TIME! LIKE & SUBSCRIBE!"

>>64599606
ANAKIN HAD A NEW EMPIRE

>>64598679

>via 9gag.com

It shows

>>64598679
>wears a mask just to look cool

>>64599842
this. what a ugly mother fucker, no wonder why the toys don't have the mask as an option. HE'S UGLY!

>>64599532
tbph as long as i'm in the 10% it'd probably make it a lot easier to get laid

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>>64598825
Prequel Ben was much more better.

>>64598940
Episode one was shit
But 2 and 3 were actually decent watches. Better then the snoozfest that was Episode 4.

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Literally the worst reveal for a star wars villain ever. He's a faggot jew who only the got the role because jews rule hollywood. He's not a badass like Darth Maul. He's just some emo kid who admires Darth Vader like the gay kid from the wedding crasher who sexually assaults vince vaugh. All you star wars need to realize how shit this film actually was. Finn was the worst character in the existence of Star Wars - up there with Jar Jar binks.

>>64598679
>shot center mass
It was clearly a grazing shot. abdomen, but clearly just clipped him, not center mass.

>>64598995
> Basically set up to be the new Vader

That's the point of his character.

He tries so hard to be Vader (the Vader he perceives as the great Lord of the sith), but fails on every account.

>>64598679
I hated the movie but thought Kylo had potential. He certainly wasn't all bad, like most other things in TFA.

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>>64599306

>this comic

Well this was fucking painful to read.

So the argument basically boils down to "the dictionary is invalid due to being written by white cis men, so instead words mean whatever I and my Tumblr sisterhood decide they mean! By the way, "up" is now "down", "black" is now "white" and "straw" is now "gold", because I said so. Don't argue with me! I have a job where I do paperwork, shitlord, so I have authority!".

>people whine about muh mary sues and lack of characterization
>character has a degree of depth and has flaws
>wahhhh he's such a pussy why isn't he more like Darth vader

>>64599306
>linguist
So an appeal to authority then.

>>64598679

Because he looks like a poof.

Literally no other reason.

>>64599066
I actually wish the opposite. Had they saved his face reveal for the Han Solo slaying I feel like it would have had a larger impact. To see someone so young underneath all of this hatred would have been much more striking if they waited.

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>>64598679
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>>64598679
obi lost to a sith master. Kylo lost to some mary sue.

>>64600394
i feel like im one of the few people that actually really like the tantrum scenes

it bought a nice flavor to him
its literally how a sith/dark guy should behave

Because people don't understand complex, grey characters or the fact that an antagonist is a different entity than a villian.

And they just didn't pay the fuck attention to basically anything in the movie.

I'm convinced that the people vehemently hating on TFA, and especially those who prop of the prequels, are autsitic. They prefer the prequels because there's nothing even vaguely apprpaching a slightly complex human emotion to pick up on.

>>64600493
No, it's literally how an angst teenager should behave, which was the point and I'm fine with that.

>>64599065
the prequels are garbage you autistic fucking moronic ape retard mongoloid shit eating piece of black fuck
I hope you die fucking gassed while you bleed out through your mouth.

>>64600561
>Vader almost force choking out his commanders in the original trilogy

being angry and having tantrums isn't something new for villans

>>64600620
That was a quiet, controlled outburst showing his dominance, it's different compared to whipping out your lightsaber and wantonly smashing shit.

>>64600535
I hate TFA as a whole but I liked Kylo and prequels (except for AotC)

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Rey made him in to a total bitch,it's hard for nomies to take a sith seriously when he loses to a girl who has never held a lightsaber

>muh secret training mindwipe

not canon yet. based on the TFA movie Rey was a better lightsaber duelist and a stronger force user than kylo while having no training

>>64600620
vader did that to improve discipline.

kylo was destroying expensive equipment for no reason

>>64600620
Vader chokes him for being a little cunt with no respect, not because he was having a bitch fit.

>>64600654
Isn't the point to establish him as young and not having finished his training yet?

>>64599842
Maybe the helmet was also for the protection, u know like helmet usually is for

>>64600717
Yeah, that's my point. Vader gets pissed and silently chokes a guy with magic who challenged him, kylo Ren fucks up and throws a temper tantrum

>>64598679
Obiwan is a weak jedi that got wrecked by a wiser and stronger opponent. Kylo ren gets wrecked by a stupid gun (seriously?) and a stick figure girl with no jedi training whatsoever. She hadn't even used a fucking lightsabre before the battle.

>>64600493
This. I swear everyone who hates Kylo is a massive retard. Not only is he the most interesting Star Wars character, but he's also the only villain who actually acts like someone on the dark side. He is angry, fearful and aggressive.

>>64600801
...Which shows a flaw in the character which makes room for interesting and compelling development and storytelling?

Ren was a way more interesting character than Rey by a fucking landslide.

The whole 'fighting to go back to the light side' was a great touch too.

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>>64600680
>based on the TFA
>i assume rey wasn't trained and i have no fact to back that up
you are exactly the same as them chad.

>>64600932
Were agreeing with each other, friend. I mean you no malice

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>>64598679
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>>64600654
>Implying it still didn't scare the shit out of his subordinates
Literally the only characters who weren't fazed by Ren were Hux and Snoke

>>64600453
this. him taking off his mask every second scene to this baby face emo kid removed his allure

>>64598679
He wasn't a flat 2D villain like Maul or Dooku. If he was like them people would complain he wasn't fleshed out enough.

He's pathetic and incompetent, but manages to still be bad ass at certain points. In the next movie he'll be more threatening and have himself under control.

>>64600888
>but he's also the only villain who actually acts like someone on the dark side

you don't understand the dark side then. because you're a fucking idiot.

>>64601156
>Being angry is not a part of the dark side

o-ok anon

he's pretty cool

>>64600535

The Force Awakens fails on so many levels that I can only find three reasons for anybody to praise such crap:
a) being the kind of pleb that loves every Marvel movie
b) being an edgelord like Kylo Ren
c) being such a prequel hater you can't even admit that something can be worse than the prequels

The prequels have considerable flaws. They are kind of messy, some dialogues aren't quite what you'd expect, etc. but they are Star Wars. The originals are better managed but the magic of Star Wars, the coherence of the universe, is all present on the prequels just as it is in the originals.

There's no way you watch A New Hope, or Empire, or Return of the Jedi and then The Force Awakens and say "yeah, this is it. they totally recreated the atmosphere of Star Wars". Because they didn't. They copied the plot. They copied the locations. They borrowed the actors and the characters. But they totally fucked it.

The only moment of wonder close to create Star Wars magic is first Rey scenes, scavenging and eating home and putting that fighter helmet on.

The rest is just pure edgy marvel-like action, 9gag tier gags, plot hole after plot hole, and a no-story, because you just get the feeling that everything that happened in the movie was just a copy of one scene of the originals or a pretext for the next scene to be a copy of one scene of the originals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ihqDETf324

>>64600933
To be fair, she fought with it all stabby style.
She was using it a lot like her staff, which she was highly skilled with. It's been established that fluctuations in the Light and Dark Side can massively alter total force ability up and down. Look how dumb the Jedi got when Sheev was clouding them. Well the Light Side was just undergoing a strange rise. who knows.

>>64598679
For a supposedly dark evil character he's not convincing, and honestly, looks like an ass without the mask. But that was the whole point I guess.

>>64601209
>being an impotent little bitch is part of the dark side

kylo's "anger" is laughable. and that's the point of his character, all his fanboys will tell you that. it's also the most on the nose shit ever. you think vader wasn't angry because he wasn't trashing electronics and shit?

>>64599306
I want to get off the ride

>>64601758
Well he tortured a guy, and he destroyed a bunch of shit. He ordered an entire village burned and slaugthered and he killed his own farther.

All this despite fighting the urge to join the light side.

>>64601320
I... I agree with this

especially
>The only moment of wonder close to create Star Wars magic is first Rey scenes, scavenging and eating home and putting that fighter helmet on.

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Guys, guys guys. Debating about the trifecta of poorly done main characters is pointless.

This stud, on the other hand, is perfection.

>>64601970
>You will never hug Oscar Isaac
End me now.

>>64601970
>muh shitty meme character who was only in it for five seconds
>perfection

Literally "Overrated Shit: The Character"

>>64601874
>All this despite fighting the urge to join the light side

this is another reason that his character is fucking annoying. the dark side is supposed to be intoxicating, the easier path, yet he's being seduced by the light side, of all fucking things? the light is something you have to be calm and centered in order to tap into, and it takes time. it's the difficult path that you have to actiuvely work towards, ignoring your baser primal self in order to master it. this movie says "fuck that, light side intoxicating tooooo". it totally ruins the dynamic.

>>64602115

Yeah but the light side has Rey. Kylo needs to lose his virginity before he becomes a wizard.

>>64601320
>The only moment of wonder close to create Star Wars magic is first Rey scenes, scavenging and eating home and putting that fighter helmet on.

I unironicly agree with this

Retarded redditors and /tv/ contramemeans.

Kylo Ren was great and arguably the best SW villain to date except maybe Sheev.

>>64602115
I really liked having a multi-dimensional character and I think it added an extremely good depth to the character.

What other weaknesses would you give a bad guy? Being too angry and mean?

He was literally struggling and tried so very hard to be something he just isn't (Vader)


But I do agree however, seeing Bad Guy X in Starwars ultimate fail because of >muh light is pretty hard to swallow. But then agian, what else can you really do?

>>64598679

Its a new movie so it has to be SHT!!!!

>>64602328
it wouldn't be so bad, if he had any fucking reason or stake in going to the light side. i guess he has his parents, but it's been so long that he shouldn't STILL be struggling like this. even if he's an ineffectual beta, the dark side should be perverting him like nobody's business by now. not having a very active conflict of light and dark in him, ESPECIALLY considering it was his choice to go to the dark side despite everything in his life being pretty much good.

>>64602463
I think parents is the big one, or more "legacy". He's the goddamn son Han Solo and Princess Leia and nehpew of the last jedi out there.

He is the literal outcome of the resistance. Maybe it was too much to bare for him?

>>64598679
>MUH WOUND MEME
Fucking normies and their extreme efforts to defend trash.

>>64602717
Yeah guilt is actually a pretty good reason to join the light, if you actually think about it.

He did all that stuff mass killing, looking evil, angst, just to try and replace vader and the thing is.
He ain't vader. He's just some kid. So his actions are really haunting the guy.

>>64603091
so the dark side is just complete garbage then? it doesnt corrupt you, or intoxicate you? it's just a euphemism for "trying to be edgy"? because that's what you make it sound like

>>64603306
Well we simply don't know yet. Leia keeps telling Solo to "bring our son back".

Didn't they mention he went to train with Luke? What happend? Why was he corrupted? Did Snoke find him?

>>64603306
Guilt is a pretty hard feeling compared to most things. Mate, I bet the guy is feeling so much of it that the corrupting incentives of the dark side don't really seem like they are worth it.

>>64598825
Did someone edit out the joint that Ben Kenobi was toking on? If so... why?

>>64603477
if anything, guilt should drive him farther along the dark path. all the horrible shit he's done causing him self loathing, thinking he's too far gone and despicable to be redeemed, and he falls into manic depressive dark side fury that he'll never recover from, save for the most extreme circumstances

>>64600045
Prequel Ben was perfectly cast, but a shit character.

>>64603091
>He's just some kid
this is getting REALLY annoying
>kid
>teen
hes 29 fucking years old. hes older than you. fuck, hes probably old enough to be your dad

>>64599306
>words mean what ever i want them to mean

>>64603401
>Did they mention he went to train with Luke?
Multiple times. Leia even said she sent him off to train with Luke because she felt there was too much Vader in him, but regretted it because she feels that is how she lost both him and Han.

We're you browsing your phone or dozing off?
>what happened?
From what we understand he fell to the dark side because Snoke seduced him. Not too dissimilar from how Anakin was coerced by Sheev's verbose, convincing words. And then he may have killed all of Luke's students, or he may not. We only know from word of mouth and Rey's brief flashback.
>Did Snoke find him?
Obviously since Snoke seduced him to the Dark Side?

Are these seriously the best "questions" and "plot holes" people can come up with? Most can be answered by not having ADHD.

>>64605038
snoke had been eyeing ben since he was young. leia knew but said nothing because shes a cuck who gets off at watching old aliens bang her son. not sure how snoke actually convinced ben but he then joined the knights of ren and changed his name to kylo ren. he has a mask because thats what the knights of ren wear. fyi, one of the knights of ren we get to see has a weird staff thing that looks like reys staff. this is all in the book, yes its canon. EVERY book adaptation from ALL the movies are canon. so the homosex between obi wan and anakin from the prequel books is canon

>>64599261
I'm a phone poster and I've never been to Reddit.

Checkmate, stationaryfags.

>>64605218
But you don't have to read the books to make any of the counterpoints I just made.

>>64605310
i dont care. i was just mentioning that snoke had his eye on ben for a very long time and that leia knew but kept quiet

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>>64598679

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GET OUT

GET OUT

He is an obnoxious brat with daddy issues and he should be in a slapstick comedy. Star wars villans are supposed to be intimidating, not autists with temper tantrums

>>64598679
>on top
>damage actualy means something
>sabers are so powerful that even being touched by them will fuck you up

>bottom
>it's a videogame with lifebars

>>64606539
Kylo yelled when Finn barely glanced his shoulder.

Just one slash on Finn's back brought him down for the count.

Did we watch the same movie?

>>64599072
>She laughs at people with toilet paper
>has tweeted about shitting her pants

>>64602328

>what weaknesses would you give a bad guy

This dickhead clearly doesn't know how to write a typical villain.
The answer is arrogance. Not being a pussy faggot.

>>64606489
So you want the same archetype in every film you see?

You have to have an absolutely evil, intimidating villian (or a villian at all) in your entertainment?

How sad.

>>64606841
>Typical villian

You really want something typical that does not stray from the norm?

Even a classic antagonist like Javert isn't the pure evil villian you want, yet in literary circles he is considered a great protagonist.

Or what about Bob Ewell from To Kill A Mockingbird? He wasn't pure, calm evil, but a man prone to unpredictable rage and prejudice.

Hell, many great fictional works don't have evil or a villian at all, yet manage to keep all the dramatic tension a black vs white simple conflict would have.

>>64606965
Fuck, I meant antagonist, not protagonist.

Thirsty Thrusday, sorry.