Why does Kylo get so much stick?
What is the actual reason people dislike him?
>character from the prequels
>still a beloved character
> see it today
> Kylo Ren takes off mask
> he's an ugly jewish lanklet who gets cucked by Lena Dunham on the regular
Best moment of the movie, he's a literal sperglord fag and now that spotify playlist makes sense.
Kylo was hyped up to be this badass prior to launch, and when it was revealed that he is a giant crybaby, it was too late to unbuy all the Kylo Ren merchandise. Basically Jar Jar 2.0.
>Basically set up to be the new Vader
>Literally commander of the Death Star 2.0
>Trained for years under a dark lord
>Can't even beat a Mary Sue who just picked up a lightsaber for the first time in her life
>prequels are bad
>VII is better
They should have shown his face more in the commercials to avoid the shock. I swear I heard people laughing loud in the cinema the first time he took out his mask.
He's not even that ugly, but he doesn't have the face to cause a good impression. Specially if it caughts you by surprise. If he had been a minor or chill character, there would be no problem. Maybe some /tv/ memes. But he is also an angry emoboy so there's that.
>posted from your iphone
>one moment killing the fact that obi-wan was a beloved character for years before the shitty prequels that everyone hated were made
This is a bait thread
Or on /v/, an LOL thread; /tv/ edition.
They all like him until he takes off the mask. Up until that point he literally is discount Vader with his mask and robotic voice but then we find out it's just some loser with a tryhard act.
Most people hated it and thought it made him a bitch, I liked it because it's an interesting take on a villain and probably the only original idea in the movie
>No one noticed the 9gag watermark
Fucking small Guys
>phone poster calls someone else reddit
Speaking of which, why didn't Kylo blew up when he got shot with the Bowcaster?
Did he use "Force Dark Armor" to lower the damage by 5 and cancel the crit knockback, or was it just bad writing?
>Anakin spouts the some mopey linkin park lyric soliloquies
>Reaction: "lol what a fucking emo!" for a decade
>When Kylo does.
>Reaction: "DEEPEST CHARACTER OF ALL TIME! LIKE & SUBSCRIBE!"
Prequel Ben was much more better.
Literally the worst reveal for a star wars villain ever. He's a faggot jew who only the got the role because jews rule hollywood. He's not a badass like Darth Maul. He's just some emo kid who admires Darth Vader like the gay kid from the wedding crasher who sexually assaults vince vaugh. All you star wars need to realize how shit this film actually was. Finn was the worst character in the existence of Star Wars - up there with Jar Jar binks.
> Basically set up to be the new Vader
That's the point of his character.
He tries so hard to be Vader (the Vader he perceives as the great Lord of the sith), but fails on every account.
Well this was fucking painful to read.
So the argument basically boils down to "the dictionary is invalid due to being written by white cis men, so instead words mean whatever I and my Tumblr sisterhood decide they mean! By the way, "up" is now "down", "black" is now "white" and "straw" is now "gold", because I said so. Don't argue with me! I have a job where I do paperwork, shitlord, so I have authority!".
I actually wish the opposite. Had they saved his face reveal for
the Han Solo slayingI feel like it would have had a larger impact. To see someone so young underneath all of this hatred would have been much more striking if they waited.
Because people don't understand complex, grey characters or the fact that an antagonist is a different entity than a villian.
And they just didn't pay the fuck attention to basically anything in the movie.
I'm convinced that the people vehemently hating on TFA, and especially those who prop of the prequels, are autsitic. They prefer the prequels because there's nothing even vaguely apprpaching a slightly complex human emotion to pick up on.
Rey made him in to a total bitch,it's hard for nomies to take a sith seriously when he loses to a girl who has never held a lightsaber
>muh secret training mindwipe
not canon yet. based on the TFA movie Rey was a better lightsaber duelist and a stronger force user than kylo while having no training
Obiwan is a weak jedi that got wrecked by a wiser and stronger opponent. Kylo ren gets wrecked by a stupid gun (seriously?) and a stick figure girl with no jedi training whatsoever. She hadn't even used a fucking lightsabre before the battle.
This. I swear everyone who hates Kylo is a massive retard. Not only is he the most interesting Star Wars character, but he's also the only villain who actually acts like someone on the dark side. He is angry, fearful and aggressive.
...Which shows a flaw in the character which makes room for interesting and compelling development and storytelling?
Ren was a way more interesting character than Rey by a fucking landslide.
The whole 'fighting to go back to the light side' was a great touch too.
>based on the TFA
>i assume rey wasn't trained and i have no fact to back that up
you are exactly the same as them chad.
He wasn't a flat 2D villain like Maul or Dooku. If he was like them people would complain he wasn't fleshed out enough.
He's pathetic and incompetent, but manages to still be bad ass at certain points. In the next movie he'll be more threatening and have himself under control.
The Force Awakens fails on so many levels that I can only find three reasons for anybody to praise such crap:
a) being the kind of pleb that loves every Marvel movie
b) being an edgelord like Kylo Ren
c) being such a prequel hater you can't even admit that something can be worse than the prequels
The prequels have considerable flaws. They are kind of messy, some dialogues aren't quite what you'd expect, etc. but they are Star Wars. The originals are better managed but the magic of Star Wars, the coherence of the universe, is all present on the prequels just as it is in the originals.
There's no way you watch A New Hope, or Empire, or Return of the Jedi and then The Force Awakens and say "yeah, this is it. they totally recreated the atmosphere of Star Wars". Because they didn't. They copied the plot. They copied the locations. They borrowed the actors and the characters. But they totally fucked it.
The only moment of wonder close to create Star Wars magic is first Rey scenes, scavenging and eating home and putting that fighter helmet on.
The rest is just pure edgy marvel-like action, 9gag tier gags, plot hole after plot hole, and a no-story, because you just get the feeling that everything that happened in the movie was just a copy of one scene of the originals or a pretext for the next scene to be a copy of one scene of the originals.
To be fair, she fought with it all stabby style.
She was using it a lot like her staff, which she was highly skilled with. It's been established that fluctuations in the Light and Dark Side can massively alter total force ability up and down. Look how dumb the Jedi got when Sheev was clouding them. Well the Light Side was just undergoing a strange rise. who knows.
>being an impotent little bitch is part of the dark side
kylo's "anger" is laughable. and that's the point of his character, all his fanboys will tell you that. it's also the most on the nose shit ever. you think vader wasn't angry because he wasn't trashing electronics and shit?
Well he tortured a guy, and he destroyed a bunch of shit. He ordered an entire village burned and slaugthered and he killed his own farther.
All this despite fighting the urge to join the light side.
Guys, guys guys. Debating about the trifecta of poorly done main characters is pointless.
This stud, on the other hand, is perfection.
>All this despite fighting the urge to join the light side
this is another reason that his character is fucking annoying. the dark side is supposed to be intoxicating, the easier path, yet he's being seduced by the light side, of all fucking things? the light is something you have to be calm and centered in order to tap into, and it takes time. it's the difficult path that you have to actiuvely work towards, ignoring your baser primal self in order to master it. this movie says "fuck that, light side intoxicating tooooo". it totally ruins the dynamic.
I really liked having a multi-dimensional character and I think it added an extremely good depth to the character.
What other weaknesses would you give a bad guy? Being too angry and mean?
He was literally struggling and tried so very hard to be something he just isn't (Vader)
But I do agree however, seeing Bad Guy X in Starwars ultimate fail because of >muh light is pretty hard to swallow. But then agian, what else can you really do?
it wouldn't be so bad, if he had any fucking reason or stake in going to the light side. i guess he has his parents, but it's been so long that he shouldn't STILL be struggling like this. even if he's an ineffectual beta, the dark side should be perverting him like nobody's business by now. not having a very active conflict of light and dark in him, ESPECIALLY considering it was his choice to go to the dark side despite everything in his life being pretty much good.
I think parents is the big one, or more "legacy". He's the goddamn son Han Solo and Princess Leia and nehpew of the last jedi out there.
He is the literal outcome of the resistance. Maybe it was too much to bare for him?
Yeah guilt is actually a pretty good reason to join the light, if you actually think about it.
He did all that stuff mass killing, looking evil, angst, just to try and replace vader and the thing is.
He ain't vader. He's just some kid. So his actions are really haunting the guy.
so the dark side is just complete garbage then? it doesnt corrupt you, or intoxicate you? it's just a euphemism for "trying to be edgy"? because that's what you make it sound like
Well we simply don't know yet. Leia keeps telling Solo to "bring our son back".
Didn't they mention he went to train with Luke? What happend? Why was he corrupted? Did Snoke find him?
Guilt is a pretty hard feeling compared to most things. Mate, I bet the guy is feeling so much of it that the corrupting incentives of the dark side don't really seem like they are worth it.
if anything, guilt should drive him farther along the dark path. all the horrible shit he's done causing him self loathing, thinking he's too far gone and despicable to be redeemed, and he falls into manic depressive dark side fury that he'll never recover from, save for the most extreme circumstances
>Did they mention he went to train with Luke?
Multiple times. Leia even said she sent him off to train with Luke because she felt there was too much Vader in him, but regretted it because she feels that is how she lost both him and Han.
We're you browsing your phone or dozing off?
From what we understand he fell to the dark side because Snoke seduced him. Not too dissimilar from how Anakin was coerced by Sheev's verbose, convincing words. And then he may have killed all of Luke's students, or he may not. We only know from word of mouth and Rey's brief flashback.
>Did Snoke find him?
Obviously since Snoke seduced him to the Dark Side?
Are these seriously the best "questions" and "plot holes" people can come up with? Most can be answered by not having ADHD.
snoke had been eyeing ben since he was young. leia knew but said nothing because shes a cuck who gets off at watching old aliens bang her son. not sure how snoke actually convinced ben but he then joined the knights of ren and changed his name to kylo ren. he has a mask because thats what the knights of ren wear. fyi, one of the knights of ren we get to see has a weird staff thing that looks like reys staff. this is all in the book, yes its canon. EVERY book adaptation from ALL the movies are canon. so the homosex between obi wan and anakin from the prequel books is canon
You really want something typical that does not stray from the norm?
Even a classic antagonist like Javert isn't the pure evil villian you want, yet in literary circles he is considered a great protagonist.
Or what about Bob Ewell from To Kill A Mockingbird? He wasn't pure, calm evil, but a man prone to unpredictable rage and prejudice.
Hell, many great fictional works don't have evil or a villian at all, yet manage to keep all the dramatic tension a black vs white simple conflict would have.