Mary Sue and Gary Stus

>>64589605
Twilight sucked, but they weren't Mary Sues.
Also its a romance for christs sake, even if they were so what

>OP posted an icky girl
inb4 404

next time use a male actor and you'll be all set!

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There are no good Mary Sues. Except maybe when....
Nope Mary Sue's are always extremely poor written self inserts and even in Kinder Garten I could write characters with more depth than that

>>64589605

Alice from the Resident Evil movies is the biggest Mary Sue.

>>64589605

Her character in Snow White and the Huntsman was a gigantic Mary Sue as well.

The whole Revenant movie is an homage to Mary Sue.

>>64589605
Bella is literally a Mary sure from what I've read about it. She is written to be exactly like the author, physical traits and all

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Everything about this guy screamed "Gary Stu". He was simply the best at everything and always knew exactly what to do.

Bella had flaws. She was clumsy. Read the book, pleb.

>>64589605
Any capeshit movie

>>64589605
The most gigantic Gary Stu ever is Kvothe from the Name of the Wind (and sequels). No movie about him yet, gladfully.

Don't misunderstand me, the books have good stuff, but I doubt they would survive into a movie.

>>64589674

Bella is a Mary Sue. The definition of Mary Sue is a self-insert character that is "special" in some way.

Special can mean being overpowered in terms of in-universe abilities (Aragorn), not having noticeable character flaws (Rey), always having a solution to every problem (Hermione), or other characters being drawn to them for no other reason than because the plot needs to move forward (Bella).

>>64589605
I enjoyed the first Twilight, the others are shit.

>>64593231

how is aragorn overpowered

>>64593629

Name one instance in the movies and/or books where he personally had trouble fighting anyone. He's a Numenorean, which is quite literally Tolkiens idea of a master race of humans, and for some reason he's the only one.

His only characer flaw is the fact that he doesn't want to recognize how great he is despite every other character sucking his dick.

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>>64589605
>What are some good examples of Sues and Stus?
I would argue in favor of based Rocco Siffredi.

>it'z only smellz
>plsss, make me nasty…make me nasty, I luvva nasty, cmon…Ima nasty boy
>she's virgin for meee
>ees too small?
>plis dun crie
>u test ur ass?
>ooo yeah, vy do u make my deek so hard?
>much too thick?
>sucky sucky sucky
>u r so fuckin pretty to me ahhh…beautiful…beautiful to me ahhh
>don’t take off now because I enjoy too much!
>it’s naht bloody, but it’s a little broken…
>one finger???
>u like when Rocco phuck u, velly strung?
>where you come from?
>u take all the way inside bitch…drink it
>vat to say? hmmm vat to say??
>vat is going on…with u…ahhh so much make me cum…
>imagine ur father if he see dis movie, what he say?
>this is really incredible nasty…
>you shud not hiv told me ur father wash my porno
>ooo yeah, put the tongue inside, put the tongue inside...
>is it your real father who's going to watch?
>ooo, wrung hole...niccce

He is a fucking legend!

>>64594052
He literally almost dies against a big dog.

>>64593064
completely true. I'm a huge fan of the sequel (it's one of my favorite fantasy novels) but if i had to watch that character instead of seeing the world from his perspective i'd probably gouge my eyes out

>>64589895
>Mary Sue's are always extremely poor written self inserts

If you go by Encyclopedia Dramaticas definition of a Mary Sue then Daenerys Targaryen is a textbook example. Not saying you're wrong, just wondering if she really is GRRMs inner soul coming out on paper.

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would nightcrawler be a gary stu?

twilight was good but i hate kristen and the last movie was goofy.

>>64594052
>Name one instance in the movies and/or books where he personally had trouble fighting anyone

Giant Cthulhu tentacle rape monster
Balrog
Uruk Hai Warlord

I'm only in the first movie and you're retarded.

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>>64592899
Being clumsy-cute so that you show how vulnerable and quirky you are and the hot guy will come to help you is not a flaw.
Also, are you calling people plebs because they haven't read the Twilight books?

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>>64594570
>twilight was good
agreed

>>64594523
if you need hard work and dedication to be good at what you do, then you are hardly a mary sue/gary stu.

>>64594052
>and for some reason he's the only one.
Nah, all of the Dunedain have Numenorean blood.

Brad Pitt's character from World War Z is the biggest Gary Sue from recent memory

>>64592899
Hello reddit

>>64594392
TV Dany is a Mary Sue (along with TV Brienne) but book Dany isn't. She is consistently shown to be a shitty, inexperienced leader. Also GRRM's self inserts are Tyrion and Sam.

>>64593064
When I hear "mary sue" Kvothe always comes to mid, I hope they never adapt the book; and I love the series too, the whole universe and events are great, but the main character hmmmm

>>64589605

Mary Sue refers to a fanfiction character who does everything right and who all the heroes love. When people call Rey a Mary Sue, they're saying she feels like a self-insert character written by a Star Wars fan and that Episode VII feels like fanfiction. It's not a catch-all term for "overpowered character in a movie".

>>64594392

I look at her as more of a voiced reaction to the circumstances that surround his career, both in writing and his old screenwriting days.

He puts out what he thinks is good, but gets hate for reasons he didn't forsee

>>64592889
He was more of a homage to the skilled handyman archetype of 50's sci-fi movies, doesn't make him perfect. His daughter hated him for a long time.