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why was this film deemed culturally significant

it's 8 hours of the empire state building in one take
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Jews
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>>64579008
Public relations.
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Warhol was a successful scam artist
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Andy Warhol is the worst thing to have ever happened to pop culture
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>>64579075
This, his only merit was making people believe he was actually talented and insightful without even creating anything.
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>>64579882

That's one way to put it ...

This kind of art can't just be judged on the object itself. If you tried, you wouldn't be able to get a trash bag into a museum probably. Andy Warhol, on the other hand, was a talented cultural engineer. Even today people, who are willing to invest themselves into the circumstances of his art, derive enjoyment and fascination from them.
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Wow, all these plebs. Try reading a book on art.

Not even meming, if you didn't like the film, you are a legit plebeian.
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>>64579008
>Andy Warhol
lel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejr9KBQzQPM
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>>64580074
You didn't get it, did you?
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>>64580053
>Not even meming

I can't hold my tears
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>>64580074
lol it's funny how he dips the bread in the ketchup
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>>64580133
Oh, you're one of those plebs that thinks Seinfeld is funny?

I've got a joke for ya:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V2sBURgUBI
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>>64580183
so mad and pleb at the same time
stop please can't take it anymore
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>>64580100
does it have something to do with consumerism
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Warhol engineered his status to reflect itself as art. He embodied "cool" by force. Anything he touched became a cultural artifact.

People bought into it.

The only real truth is that if anyone pulls any sort of divinity from his art is a true plebeian. Patricians know exactly what he is.
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>>64580074
what a qt
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>>64580288
>fell for the "real" art and "real" truth meme

How pleb can you get.
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It had never been done before and happened during a point in history where doing things never done before was inspiring.
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I probably'll never have a definitive opinion on Warhol. While some contemporary artists and the art market itself seem like huge money laundering schemes pioneered by social engineers, fraudsters and faux experts, I can still see how his art is original. What bugs me is the lengths to which people go to defend the genius of postmodern art. It looks like another case of the Emperor has no clothes.

Pic related, The Physical Impossibility of Death
in the Mind of Someone Living created by a 25 year old Damien Hirst, is lauded as one of the greatest works of art of the 20th century. It's a shark preserved in formaldehyde and probably worth than 20 million dollars.
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>>64580323

When art transcended itself for the 4th time into pop philosophy, it became a farce of itself and lost efficacy.

Deeper meaning does not equal deeper impact.

Most of the time, it's just a fucking vase.
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>>64580411
>When art transcended itself for the 4th time

what were the other 3 times
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>>64580411
You still think any critiques on anything matter, lmao?

Wait until you get to the "real" truth
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>>64580422

Every time Warhol farted.
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>>64580455

le nihilism meme
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>>64580455
>the real truth

illuminati confirmed
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>>64580469
Not nihilism, you still don't get it

I suggest you start reading books:)
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>>64580380
That specific work by Hirst is considered great because of how fucking cool it is, and the fact that whoever owns that piece needs to have the shark replaced every few years because it isn't submerged in a 100% formaldehyde solution. It asks the question of:
>Is it still an original work if the shark is replaced throughout history?
and
>If this shark is different than the previous one, is it a new piece, or the same?
Kind of like asking
>if you painted the Mona Lisa in a different color scheme, is it the same work?
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>>64580485

I'll start with Atlas Shrugged!
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landmark / progenitor of structuralist and documentary filmmaking
>>64580288
cringe
go back to watching bresson, little boy
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>>64580499
Again, you can keep throwing out words you know nothing about because you read them on 4chan or you can start actually studying, the road is up to you.

I suggest beginning with a book related to the topic of the thread:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Philosophy_of_Andy_Warhol
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>>64580504
how is filming a building in one shot for 8 hours a landmark of documentary film making
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>>64580517

I can't believe how much you're shilling for a man who would scoff at your very image.
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>>64580074
I'm surprised they haven't had Eddie Redmayne do a biopic on him yet
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>>64580541
I'm not shilling for the man.

It seems you are too weak to comprehend what I'm saying.

Continue with your 4chan pseudo-intellectualism, I hope it serves you well.
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>>64580504
watch besson instead of bresson
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>>64580524
because that style would be replicated later on by people like james benning
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>>64580558
le deep talking OMG this boy, you made my night
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>>64580288
that little faggot was anything but cool senpai
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>>64580558
>vague while being insulting

hmm
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>>64580380
That's fucking awesome
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>>64580584
why would james benning film a documentary by focusing on one shot for hours
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>>64580627
Ask him.
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>people not realizing that Andy's real talent was finding talent in other people, people who would otherwise been ignored
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>>64580627
anyway, filming anything for hours it's not a documentary
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>>64580643
how is shooting one shot for hours influential to documentaries, which generally don't do that
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>>64580670
>which generally don't do that
Lots of people do that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_film
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>>64580687
not for hours and only shooting shot while doing absolutely nothing else
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>>64580670
Things that are influential tend to be outside the norm
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Andy is responsible for the greatest piece of music of the 20th century
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>>64580670
>how is shooting one shot for hours influential to documentaries
you should try watching a 9/11 documentary sometime
most of them are still shots on the buildings
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>>64580757
>andy warhol
>not lou reed
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>>64580716
>not for hours
Many of the are shot over the course of hours and then edited down to 10-20 minutes.

>only shooting shot
I don't know what that means, sorry.
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>>64580757
he literally only did the cover art
how the fuck is he "responsible" for the music itself?
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Structural film existed way before Empire
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>>64580765
You're right, Warhol's art is a tragedy like 9/11
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>>64580765
but not for hours

besides, is andy warhol really the first person to think about shooting a still shot for a long time
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>>64580776
>>64580813
>payed for it
>produced it
>did the cover
>wrote the songs
>played the guitar
>let talentless hack Reed take all the credit
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>>64580835
>le the time means it isnt a documentary

fucking kill yourself jesus christ, stop talking like you know what film "is" or "isnt"

it was shot on film, its a film, you fucking imbecile
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>>64580813
>Warhol's reputation helped the band gain a higher profile. He helped the band secure a coveted recording contract with MGM's Verve Records, with himself as nominal "producer", and gave the Velvets free rein over the sound they created.
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>>64580823
No not really.
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>>64580840
>wrote the songs
>played the guitar
>talentless hack Reed
what are you talking about kiddo
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>>64580859
well empire literally wasn't a documentary

all i'm asking is how was shooting a still shot of a building for 8 hours influential

did no one honestly think to do a still shot of buildings until this was released
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>>64580911
>well empire literally wasn't a documentary
Yes, it literally is a documentary.

>A documentary film is a nonfictional motion picture intended to document some aspect of reality, primarily for the purposes of instruction or maintaining a historical record.
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>>64580897
Kubelka and Kren were doing it since the 50s
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>>64580911
>all i'm asking is how was shooting a still shot of a building for 8 hours influential
not him, but we all know we wouldn't be having this conversation had an airplane happened to have crashed into the building. People would be sucking Andy's dick harder
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>>64580955
Yes, two people were doing it as far back as seven years before Empire.

That is not "way before". Nor is their kind of structuralism similar to Empire's structuralism.
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>>64580288
this
next thing you know people will be calling pollock a hack
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>>64580978
>jackson pollock
>not a hack
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>>64580938
why isn't andy warhol or empire on that wikipedia article, then?
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>>64581016
Probably because the article would be very, very long if they decided to list every documentary.
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>>64581030
but isn't empire a pioneer for documentaries
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>>64580978
>pollock
>art
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>>64581040
Yup.
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>>64580882
also Nico
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Andy Warhol was a faggot that wore a wig, went to the hairstylist to get it cut then return a month later with a new wig to get cut.
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>>64581047
so then why isn't it on there
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>>64580975
seven years is a fucking long time, man. hell, even one year is enough for something stopping being relevant
Empire is relevant because it was Warhol's idea and he was already an icon by 64. it probably influenced some late structuralists, but that doesn't make him one of the pioneers of the genre
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>>64581061
That owns
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>>64581061
lol source?
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>>64579075
>>64579882

Literally missing the entire point and actually proving the artist's point: The Posts.
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The film isn't art but the idea that the film exists is art.
If you can't understand this then you don't get Warhol
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>>64581120
what's the entire point then
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>>64581120
Andy Warhol please go back to hell
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>>64581066
Ask the people who wrote it?

>seven years is a fucking long time
No, not really. Especially considering, again, the "structuralist" films you're referring to were less than ten in number, had limited distribution to anyone outside of Germany/Austria, and included a beer commercial.

>late structuralists
Benning was making films in the early seventies.
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>>64581133
nice buzzwords fagtron
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>>64581133
so if i filmed a chair for a week would i be considered an artist

the fact that it exists is art
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>>64581155
second part directed at >>64581073
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>people who have never read a book on art aka normies still think there is real art or art definition

LMAO
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>>64581096
http://www.algonet.se/~bassman/articles/95/h.html
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>>64581209
being art or not art isn't the point
the point is that it's shit
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>>64581238
for you its shit
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>>64581238
shit has been labelled art

therefore art is shit
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>>64581249
>.....
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>all of these "muh naturalism" /v/-crossposters who can't into even the most rudimentary pomo


go look at the sistine chapel again or something fucking babbies hahahaha
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This thread right here is why I hate new artists.

Garbage ass art thats meant to represent some grand testisment that society as a whole devalues art because its obession with images getting repeated so many times they lose value

Ooo, so deep and cool, give that cocksucker a bunch of money ya sheep.

Pollack is shit too, any art that can be replicated by tieing a paint brush to a string from the ceiling and swinging it around is bad, and anyone who pays 50 million dollars for one deserve to be shot by communists.

/rant

>inb4 u mad or some shit from some trolly auzzie
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is art just one giant meme where artists are a bunch of shitposters and everyone else is a normie?
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>>64581342
this
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>>64581249
>anon uses Convenient Nihilism
>it has no effect
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This post is art
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>>64581363
you dont know what nihilism means, stop throwing the word around jesus christ lmao just shut up

"Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated. It is often associated with extreme pessimism and a radical skepticism that condemns existence. A true nihilist would believe in nothing, have no loyalties, and no purpose other than, perhaps, an impulse to destroy."
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>>64581342
>implying pomo isn't a meme movement

hurr durr, the only truth is that there is no truth
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>>64581344
>he fell for the "more time/work invested=better art" meme

its a painting, not a term paper ya dingus
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>>64581345

Pretty much

They will tell you otherwise since they want your monez, so dont believe them
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>>64581402
you only dont like pomo because its right now, and you have rose tinted glasses about the past despite having never experienced it

the realists said the same thing about modernism but i bet you like modernism huh

fucking retard
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>>64581401
haha, look at this babby
what you're talking about is existential nihilism, retard
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>>64581383
too late

http://www.cnet.com/news/4chan-screenshot-sells-for-90k-on-ebay/
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>>64581345
Modern art certainly is
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>>64581429
i wonder what its like being stupid lmao


must be real annoying knowing you can only feign intelligence on 4chan

LMAO
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>>64581402
like it or not, most worthwhile art produced in the last 20 years wouldn't have been possible without the post modern shift
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Why do people who have never read a book on art and follow internet memes keep pushing the post-modernism is bad meme?

Why do we let normies speak up?
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>>64581471
>post-modernism
>not normie as fuck
How delusional can you be?
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>>64581452
okay, having in mind how you probably have less than 90 IQ I'll do it reddit style and explain it to you like you're five:

there are various forms of nihilism
moral, cosmic, epistemological
in the case of your retardness, you were denying objective standards to evaluate art, the classic "it's subjective!!!" argument you'll conveniently throw at anyone that disagrees with you
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>>64581485
>posted from iphone
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>>64581407

Like i said

"Art" that is meant simply to get a message across is bad i my opinion. I feel good art should have some aestic appeal to it, just writing Duchamp on a used toilet to stick it to the art establishment to for being old hokies is bad. Make good looking art faggots, really not that hard. Then slap a message in their to impress all the hairy pitted liberal sluts at college.

But people like you faun over their half assed critiques on socioty and culture, so they dont have to try.
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>>64581471
being this contrarian fuck
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>>64581505
so you think art is objective lmao?

LMAO
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>>64581524
>its contrarian to like pomo

are you stupid
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>>64581120
Literally reddit
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>>64581511
>posted with autism over people using modern technology
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>>64581560
posted from my iphone at school
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>>64581527
yes and Empire is trash
u mad?
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>>64581521
>i hate the current post-modernism in art because it doesn't cater to my personal subjective experience of "aesthetically appealing"

this is actually reddit
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>>64581597
nah
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>>64581471
>He fell for the post-modernism meme
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>>64581521
post some good art
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>>64581593
Nigga it's 5 AM
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>>64581629
>he said while posting pic of one of the most pomo tv shows there is
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>>64581220
1995
No more hits from David Bowie.

I'm sorry for who is waiting for it, but, no, I don't give a shit anymore.

END

thanks for a good read anon
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>>64581629
I want this picture as a poster
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>>64581426
your post is subjective, my interpretation of it is that you actually agree with me and you don't realize it

>and you have rose tinted glasses about the past despite having never experienced it

how do you know that's bad? it's all relative

>fucking retard

my interpretation is that you actually think i'm a genius and secretly want my dick
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>>64581220
it's from magazine that featured cowboy henk, brilliant
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why cant normies into art?
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ITT:turbopleb normies

>Hey check out this art it's so realistic and detailed hurr

It actually is some deviantart tier fandrawing
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>>64581796
They're the same twats who claim good cinematography is just looking pretty
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK_hbWfAXiA

kinda related
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>>64581796
>Basquiat

now you're stretching it senpai
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>>64581857
>good cinematography

doesn't exist, it's all subjective
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>>64580492
>asking basic questions is worth 20 million dollars
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>>64581796
>>64581846
How are those art degrees working out?
Still feeling like you didn't waste $100K just to shitpost about art on the internet?
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>>64581902
>you can't appreciate and study art in your free time
I bet you believe you have to be a chef to eat anything other than pizza and burgers,amerilad
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I kinda feel like Warhol is overrated and underrated at the same time. On one hand I don't think there was any profound statement to his word, at least not one he actually intended. On the other hand he saw beauty in things other people wouldn't even look at because they'd deem them shallow and boring. And that should be appreciated. In a way something as simple as a can of tomato soup can is beautiful in its simplicity and we never notice it.
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>>64581982
holy shit
you actually paid to study art
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>>64581982
>didn't even mention my country
>y-you amerilard haha my art degree wasn't a total waste :'(
Holy shit dude rethink your life
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>>64582030
>paid
Truly an American
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>>64582046
>Didn't even mention an art degree
>You like all that weird stuff my normie brain can't fathom,you gotta be an art student
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNI07egoefc

modern art is shit
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>>64582091
>why is modern art not classical art
Fixed the video title
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>>64582091
literally cannot tell if this is satire
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>>64579008

how pretentious
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>>64582091
Hey random turbopleb,want me to pander to your shit taste?
Then donate to my patre...,sorry i meant my art centre
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>>64582091
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>>64582192
It's not; it's reactionary idiocy
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>>64582395
*tips*
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>>64581444
Could one claim copyright laws? Maybe 4chan as a website?
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>>64582389
>>64582279
>>64582199
>>64582192
nice rebuttals faggots.
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>>64579008

this was part in parcel of the breakdown of art.

art became contrarian, subjective and obscure and warhol was one of its proponents.

basically, this < kind of art became obsolete and ^ became the norm.
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>>64581642
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>realism is the BEST kind of art
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>>64582715

>look i painted a woman like 4 year old would, and even put her mouth where her ear is and ear where her mouth should be. 90 million dollars plz.

Yea, thats not retarded at all.
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Leave it to /tv/ to create an ocean of autism from a single drop
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>>64582715
>image.jpg
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>>64582778
so deep
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>>64579008
it was a big film
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Saxdad>Warhol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg-sR3NGDo4
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>>64582811
>>64582837
>>>reddit
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>>64582892
no u
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>>64582907
Shut your whore mouth, fagface
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>>64582770
>90 million dollars plz

You sound like a redditor who upvotes hyperrealism art
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>>64582715
>huck finn wasn't actually about racism in the south, it was actually a posttextual deconstruction of the structural paradigm of the patriarchy contextualized through a capitalist society
>my interpretation is just as valid as yours because there is no truth
>you don't like my painting of shit smeared on the wall? you just don't get it, it's as good as the mona lisa because everything is relative
>the only truth is that there is no truth
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>>64582925
>capitalization but no punctuation
iphone poster pls
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>>64582956
>le le le la la la
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>>64582998
why u mad tho
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>>64582943

>implying i was being hyperbolyic

In 2010, this picasso sold for 105 million
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>>64583086

Fuck, this picasso
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>>64583107
My rulr of thumb is that if it looks I cuold make it, then it's not (good) art.
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>>64582888
hi /mu/
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>>64583107
i like it
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>>64583155
Then do it.
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>>64583086
you're a retard

you're going exactly against what you're arguing

You want art to be about skill etc yet you condemn a piece based on how much it sold rather than any actual artistic critiques


you're a fucking retarded hypocrite and you don't even know it
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>>64583214
No.
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>>64583218
>no u
compelling argument
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>>64583256
????
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>>64583266
>????
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>>64583218

I was mearing shittalking someone who was likely baiting me. He implyed that realistic art is inferior to other forms so i thought of some dumb shit about modern art to mock, i went to picasso amd his weird depictions of women and the insane amount of money his orginals cost now, even thou to the average joe, ot looks like their 5 year old made it.

But resort to more name calling, thats a classy route to go and gives off the image of intellectual high ground
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>>64583380
?????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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>>64583384
>you're going exactly against what you're arguing
>You want art to be about skill etc yet you condemn a piece based on how much it sold rather than any actual artistic critiques
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>>64583218

Fuck, i just typed out like essay response to you, then my browser on my phone crashed and it got lost to the ether, not doing i again, fuck this thread
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>>64583384
thats because the average joe knows nothing about brush strokes, composition, colour, subject, framing, oil watercolour etc, history of art etc etc

hi average joe
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>>64583444
>Fuck, i just typed out like essay response to you

cringe
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>>64583384

>even thou to the average joe, ot looks like their 5 year old made it.

Now, this is the problem with art. We like different things, but don't really understand how other people like other things. For example, you might be aware that people like Picasso but you get baffled when they buy his pieces for "outrageous" sums of money.
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Warhol is often pretty much a hack... but there is something pretty amazing about making such a long take technically and maybe some artistic interest in a long shot of such a beautiful building over hours
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>>64579008
It´s a big building
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>>64580380
I saw this in person and it scared the shit out of me because I saw it when I walked around a corner
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Jews
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>>64580492
that's in no way "fucking cool"

you're just a hipster kiddie
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>>64581120
Ceci n'est pas une shitpost
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>>64582395
>reactionary is an insult

LMAO

dude subvert the dominant paradigm amritie? stick it to the man! le art
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>>64584793

Taxidermy is cool, especially if the animal is large.
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yall plebes. warhol did all he did because he wanted to impress young artists into fucking him in the ass. he succeeded.
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