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>Kylo Ren worships Vader and collect original trilogy artifacts
>Rey has a rebel helmet and doll in her home
>Finn and Rey both recognize Luke and Han through the stories told about them
>Rey has pretty much diefied Luke
>First line of the film: "This will begin to make things right."
>Entire thing is just a remake of the first Star Wars movie

So this film is some sort of postmodern commentary on fanboyism, isn't it?
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>>64574701
Your mom is some sort of postmodern commentary on fanboyism.
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Nah, coincidence. Only Lucas could pull off poetry that beautiful.
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>>64574764
Kasdan is a better potter tbqh
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>>64574701
Yeah the first draft had all the characters making alt lit Facebook identities to overthrow the internet illuminati
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Pacific Rim was stupid
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>>64574764
>it only counts if it's intentional
holy pleb
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>>64574701
>>First line of the film: "This will begin to make things right."
This has to be what pissed Lucas off
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only thing im intrigued about is... Reys parents.

It was implied they abandonded her on that desert planet thats totally not tatooine, maybe they were hiding her just like they did with Luke and Leia.

Also i dont remember about Reys vision when she touched the light saber, where those memories or premonitions... hhmmm...
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>>64574932
I think he saw the pottery and his brain refused to see his version as the EXTEME 90s teen version that it was.

>New Luke is even younger
>New Obi-wan is even stronger and wiser
>New T16 is faster
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Is The Force Awakens secretly patrician?
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>>64575271
Is goes like this

V>IV=VI>VII>>>>>>>>III=II=I
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>>64575437
>Revenge=Phantom
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>>64575437
IV > V > VII >VI > whatever
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>>64575656
Phantom had real sets and some cool cinematography.
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>>64576052
but it had shit writing and dull action
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>>64576197
All three prequels do
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>>64574701
>it has 3 acts, what a rip off
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>>64575437
4>5>6>3>7=1>>>>>>>2
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>>64575437
This is the only true ranking.
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>>64574701
Oh no, you guys the leg is going to crush her ahhhhhhhhhhhh
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>>64576197
>Duel of the Fates
>pod racing
>dull action
nope
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>>64577785
Pod-racing was just George waving his special effects dick around to compensate for lack of a interesting plot.
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>>64577724
that shadow looks like vader poetry to me
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>>64577785
Duel of the fates is intercut with "I'll try spinning" and the worst battle in the history of the franchise.
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>>64578211
>darth maul
>worst battle in the history of the franchise

Are you insane?
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>>64578211
dooku battle in 2 was worse
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>>64578255
See it was so bad you forgot it even existed.
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>>64574701
>So this film is some sort of postmodern commentary on fanboyism, isn't it?
I found it to be a glib facsimile
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>>64578255
In terms of the storytelling yes. It's 3 literally whos we don't care about, fighting over planet we don't care about, in highly over-choreographed stunt showcase with no stakes undercut with footage of some boring palace raid/space donut battle/CGI only "Jar Jar is soooo wacky xD" cartoon war.
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Why did Boyega look so much more professional on 24 Live Another Day?
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>>64578646
You couldn't see his hips.
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>>64578646
>the same episodes Boyega appears in, they keep showing a map of Africa

He knows his place
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>>64578646
>black
>in chains
>in working (read: slave) clothes
>master white man talks down on him

ohahaha 24 never change
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>>64578676
his parents literally are africans.
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>>64578646

>handcuffs
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>>64578255
>a villain with no characterization fighting two boring assholes for 10 minutes
thrilling
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>>64578731
That's what I'm saiyan
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>>64578646
>That massive amount of purple makeup on his temples
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>>64574701
Disney or Abrams may have unironically thought that slavishly copying the OT would be the respectful return to form the series needed.

or they may have thought acting like that would convince fans of the OT of their sincerity in trying to make a worthy sequel.

either way they are delusional as fuck. anyone who is smart enough to notice that kind of subtext is going to be annoyed by the wholesale pointless lifting of ideas.
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>>64578646
Was this the highlight of his career?
Being chained up in a scene with Jack Bauer
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>>64578646
DAT TINY SHADOW OF HIS
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>>64578956
>delusional as fuck
Highest grossing film in American history, third highest grossing film of all time. They know exactly what they're doing. It wasn't a mistake on Disney's part, it was pure market-driven cynicism.
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>>64578956
>anyone who is smart enough to notice that kind of subtext is going to be annoyed by the wholesale pointless lifting of ideas.
I wasn't annoyed. The borrowed ideas are part and parcel of the subtext OP points out. If the film is about OT's relationship to a modern audience, then you sort of need to have familiar elements in it.
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>>64575437
V > III > IV > VI >>>>>> I > VII > II
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Kylo is literally a Darth Vader fanboy, what more proof do you need? His character represents the collective angst of diehard fans of the original trilogy

He wants desperately to emulate Vader, to return to what he believes was best. His shortsighted manchild-ness reflects the typical prequel decrying nerds who fail to recognize faults of their precious memories.

It is therefore fitting that his father is Han Solo and that he later kills him. Harrison Ford has by far had the most successful acting career out of the OT. His character's spawn betraying him and ending his life is meant to be symbolic of how the despite having a varied and beloved career, the fame of Star Wars always followed Ford anywhere he went. However the iconic roles through Fords career acted for the continual dismantling of that Han Solo identity adhered to him. Hamill is always Luke, Fischer is always Leia, but Ford was Indy, The blade runner, Mr President, the Fugitive, etc.. . Now as an old man he is in the real world finally forced to turn around and face the entity he gave birth too - the same as Han does to Kylo - by doing one final Star Wars film. Death is the punishment for abandoning the world and character he helped create, and for believing he could escape his destiny.
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>>64579378

V > III > IV > VI >>>>>> I > II > VII
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>>64579378
Episode III isn't any better than the other two prequels. Memes have clouded your judgement.
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>>64579447
IV >>>>>>>>>>>>>> VII > the other ones
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>>64579457
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE YOUR JUDGEMENT IS CLOUDED
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Posted in another thread:

>Ra carries a staff…so does Rey Ra has a head of a Falcon…Rey is the new “head” of the Millennium Falcon. Also, in ancient Egypt the Eyes are very important and we know that in TFA eyes player a important part via Maz.

>Ra, as the sun god, travels across the sky during the day and then through the underworld at night. Every sunrise he is “reborn” and brings new life and order to the world. What I find interesting in Episode VII is that the moment the Force really “clicks” with Rey is during her battle with Kylo Ren, which happens to be in darkness (since the Starkiller base had just finished powering up). So maybe Rey realizing her powers could be a symbolic “sunrise” or “rebirth” in this case. (Assuming Rey and Luke are related…) In a more big-picture sense you could argue that “Skywalker” could mean “sun” since the sun does, in a sense, walk through the sky. Interesting to note that “Luke” (the name) can be interpreted to mean “light”, and while “Rey” generally means “king”, you could also think of “Ray” as in “a beam of light”.
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>>64578416
>It's 3 literally whos we don't care about, fighting over planet we don't care about, in highly over-choreographed stunt showcase with no stakes undercut with footage of some boring palace raid/space donut battle/CGI only "Jar Jar is soooo wacky xD" cartoon war.
You could at least make the effort to better paraphrase your complaint so that it's less obvious that you are parroting what you heard in the Plinkett reviews.
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>>64579561
Where the criticism comes from doesn't discredit it
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>>64574823
damn
>>64574701
This is actually unironically what they did. Episode 8 is going to be so different from the original trilogy so they made this one a nostalgiafest to compensate and criticize.
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>>64580088
Rian Johnson is a terrible director. People will only call 8 better because it's darker, same reason people call Empire better than Star Wars even though it quite obvious isn't.
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Leave the poetry to me
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>>64575734

IV>VI>V>VII
/post
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>>64580784
>esb isn't better than anh
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>>64581546
A New Hope is a perfect movie. Empire attempts depth, but it doesn't capture the energy and pacing of the original
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>>64581575
a new hope almost killed the franchise
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>>64581575
A New Hope tried too hard to be original
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>>64581575

luke was a cheap mary sue in ANH
empire gave him depth
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>>64581601
Of all the shitty memes that have come from all this Star Wars posting, this one made it worth it
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>>64581701
>luke was a cheap mary sue in ANH
Just a reminder that people who call ANH Luke a mary sue probably never watched ANH. Luke is a whiny faggot who tags along on an adventure with Obi Wan and Han and is constantly carried by them
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>>64578255
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw
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>>64574701

>those thick toned calves

Hnnnnggggg
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>>64574701
>So this film is some sort of postmodern commentary on fanboyism, isn't it?
Yes. I didn't mind though- just a shame they didn't leave it at that without also repeating major plot elements.
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>>64575057
>Reys parents.
Han and Leia
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>>64582397
Her mother is gonna be the lead chick from Rogue One.
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>>64575057
>memories or premonitions
both?
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>>64574701
why is her shadow Darth Bane/helmet less Vader/Darth Plageius
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>>64582407
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>>64582503
Kathleen Kennedy pushing her Mary Sues with the new movies, isn't she?
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>>64579561
Just like if a white person criticizes The Force Awakens, it's just racism!
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>>64581661
>A New Hope tried too hard to be original
It's literally a copy-pasta of samurai and WWII dog-fighting films in space.
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>>64575057
M8, M8


M8


When Kylo was reading her mind he said he saw an island in the ocean, coincidentally that is the location of the first jedi temple where Luke was hiding. She was probably trained as a child then when Kylo started murdering all the younglings Luke wiped her memories and hid her on a planet
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The objective ranking is somewhere in these ranges:

<V------>
<-IV---->
<-----I---------->
<-VI----->
<-----VII-------->
<-------II->
<---------III->
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>>64574782
>Kasdan is a better potter
>hasn't written anything remotely good for 20+ years
Okay then
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>>64575437
V>IV=VI>III>>>>>VII>I>II
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>>64582950
III was a load of shit
Theres no way it was better, or even comparable to TFA
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>>64582972
III was a load of shit with some gems
VII was mediocre throughout
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>>64578416
>It's 3 literally whos we don't care about, fighting over planet we don't care about
It's almost like this applies to The Force Awakens 100%
And even the people in-universe didn't care about the planets being destroyed by Starkiller.
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Force Awakens was fucking stale and boring, how the fuck do you spend 300 million dollars on this shit?
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>>64583080
It's more than quadrupled that already, that's how.
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>>64579444
>He wants desperately to emulate Vader, to return to what he believes was best. His shortsighted manchild-ness reflects the typical prequel decrying nerds who fail to recognize faults of their precious memories.
Metal Gear Solid 2 did this better, with Raiden wanting to emulate Solid Snake and the fanbase hating Raiden because he wasn't Solid Snake.
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>>64583163
>what is marketing budget
Surely you don't think Disney has made 4 times the money they put in on The Force Awakens total?
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>>64582906
>>hasn't written anything remotely good for 20+ years
Lucas hasn't written something good in fucking 38 years.
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>>64583033
As opposed to the huge drama over blowing up Alderaan in A New Hope?
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>>64583267
>2005 was 38 years ago
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>>64583080
Lots of practical effects and real locations brings up the cost.
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>>64583296
Everyone onboard the Millenium Falcon reacted to Alderaan blowing up.
And Ben said he literally felt it in the Force.
Nobody gave two shits about Hosnian Prime blowing up.
And it doesn't even make sense why everybody even saw Hosnian Prime blowing up.
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>>64583309
>From my point of view the Jedi are evil!
Masterful dialogue right there
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>>64583230
You're fucking retarded

Their merchanside sales have already surpassed the marketing budget by far. And it's only been a few weeks
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>>64583360
Rey, and everyone on Maz's planet reacts to it. Did you watch the film?
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>>64583363
EVERY line of ROTS is GOAT, besides the "love had blinded you" scene (which was shot during pick ups).
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>>64583404
>EVERY line of ROTS is GOAT
Memes have clouded your judgement. It's too late for you now.
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>>64583389
How could anyone on Maz's planet even see Hosnian Prime blowing up, it's lightyears away.
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>>64583407
What's this?
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>>64575437
>hating the prequels
bazingo!
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>>64583433
Because it's a planet they made up for this movie and they could put it anywhere
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>>64583404

>NYO.......NYOOO
>UNLIMITED POWAHHHHHHHH
>NO....HE....IS....THE....TRAITOR.....AHHHH!
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>>64583433
The habitable zone isn't terribly large, so the planets being in similar orbits is not at all far fetched. And there would be times where they're on opposite sides of the star, and others where they orbit close together. So the position of their orbits and the time of the film is extremely plausible.
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>>64583467
>they could put it anywhere
>Hosnian Prime is a Core planet, D'gar is Mid Rim
>the people of D'Gar see Hosnian Prime clearly blowing up
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>>64574828
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>>64583521
>>64583521
The lore people should have contacted JJ. This isn't a flaw in the film because the planet was made up for the film; they could place it anywhere. It's a problem with the people who made that star map.
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>>64583230
No.
Given Hollywood accounting, I think they've made far, far more.
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>>64582560
The other 2 spinoffs are about Han Solo and Boba Fett so she cant keep it up forever
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