>Chewbacca was alive and fully grown when Jedi were space cops and even met Yoda >Han calls Luke kid and Luke was born when order 66 happened How could Han not know about the force? Was he being contrarian?
Han "knew" about the Force, he thought it was a bunch of bunkum, he'd never seen anything in his life that made him believe it was anything more than superstition and sleight of hand. That was before Darth Vader pulled a blaster out of his hands from across the room.
>>64566234 >every human understands robots beep beep boop Actually no one does. The entire time he was telling Luke that he used to belong to his father before he choked his pregnant mom and left the Empire.
Thats why he was such a bitch to yoda when he first see's him. He remembers that all of this stupid shit is specifically Yoda's fault in the first god damned place.
>>64566554 Hi there. I can tell that you're an atheist. This is a public service letting you know that you just demonstrated a fundamental misunderstanding of epistemology. You seem to be confusing the concept of evidence with the concept of proof. You see, evidence is any fact that can be used to support a particular argument, or even two sides of an argument. Think of a courtroom trial. Both the defense and the prosecution present items of evidence. For example, let's say there's an argument over whether it rained or not yesterday. The ground being wet this morning could be used as evidence supporting the argument that it rained yesterday, but that fact isn't incontrovertible, because lots of things can make the ground wet. You're probably starting to see now how there's tons of evidence for the existence of God, all kinds of things, such as the mere existence of a finite, temporal universe, to things like accounts of miracles, or the Gospels, or the Five Ways. Proof is different from evidence. Proof is a piece of evidence that definitively settles an argument. We should bother be glad that there isn't proof of God's existence! You see there, was once a group of men called Pharisees who were given proof of God, yet they still denied Him, and something very bad happened to them because of that. And we'll all get proof one Day. Anyway, I hope this definition helped clear up your understanding of exactly what evidence is, and that you stop misusing the word from now on. That's really all I wanted to talk to you about. Thanks!
If i may interject master Luke, that appears to be princess Leia Organa, calling for Obi Wan Kenobi. Who is that, you ask? well R2 and I know him very well to be perfectly honest, sir. R2 was even his piloting droid for quite some time. He was a good friend, and a great jedi.
Did I ever tell you when R2 and I were there during the clone wars? What a mess of events that was. I remember having R2 drag my head along the ground as hundreds of jedi fought by us.
Jedis? well yes of course we know about that, we were there. In fact things were amazing back then before most of the jedi were killed off. In the end i suppose it was for the better what happened to Master Skywalker, but it was so sad.
Oh! not you Master Luke, Im of course talking about Anakin Skywalker. Wait, sir. You dont know about your father? Well I'll be, hey R2 Luke never met Anakin, he never knew him like we did. Thats right, Luke, we knew him for a long time, after all it was your father who built me in the first place.
The real problem is finding Obi Wan now, imagine if we ran into him like tomorrow, Master Luke. Now that would be a coincidence.
Luke, do I ever tell you how about Maz Kanata? She is a wise old woman who collects lightsabers. You should ask Han Solo and Chewie about her in case you lose your lightsaber when you duel your father, Darth Vader.
>>64566176 You're trying to apply prequel logic to the OT.
More ways the PT fucked up the OT: >Obi-Wan's "he was a good friend" >Sheev lying to Vader about Padmé, making their conversation in ESB (and Vader's actions a little before ESB) awkward >Midichlorians and power levels (RotJ already hinted at it) >Yoda being a powerful, skilled lightsaber user, despite his role in ESB and RotJ telling otherwise
what this anon said: >>64566457 along with the fact he lived in a world dominated by anti-Jedi anti-Republic propaganda disseminated by the Galactic Empire. I mean, wasn't there a character background story in the Old EU that says Han trained in an Imperial academy at some point? Some of their teaching of historical revisionism may have still had a hold over him, if you want to take the Old EU as canon.
>>64570346 The OT seems to suggest everyone knew about the Force, muck like everybody in monoteist countries knows the concept of a single God, but that doesn't mean everybody believes in it.
That's why you have that Imperial officer say "Don't trying to impress with your sorcerrer ways, lord Vader. Your sad devotion to an ancient religion" yaddayaddayadda. Or Han saying "Hey, Luke. May the Force be with you" near the end of the movie. Or all of Yoda's speeches about the Jedis and the Force in the Dagobah scenes.
It's RotJ when the more modern concept of Jedis as an elite team of space polices with power level rankins appeared, with Luke's "The Force is strong in my family" scene.
The way I see it, before RotJ the concept of the Force was established in a way a non-believer like Han could turn into a Force user, and even a Jedi, if he wanted. But the reason why the Jedi were extint is because they didn't want to share their secrets to everybody else. Imagine a Galaxy where everybody is semifluent in lightsaber techniques or in Force skills.
So they restricted their knowledge to a privileged group of space monks, carefully selected among Force believers. Since they were so few, the Empire could easily track them and wipe them, like they did with Vader's help.
Then RotJ suggested there are people with better Force skills, and then the prequels came and everybody who could barely use the Force was trained, regardless of their later use as mere meat shield.
>>64571519 In Return of the Jedi, Luke tells Leia than Vader is his father, and that the Force is strong in his family. He used it to reveal to Leia she's his sister, and that, being Vader's daughter, she could also use the Force as fluent and skilled as both Luke and Vader.
Obi-Wan also explains to Luke that Anakin's offsprings would be the Emperor's potential doom, so they were hidden from the Empire.
However, in 1977 there was no concept of Vader being Luke's father (that idea appeared during pre-production of ESB), so all exchanges about the Force suggests everybody could use it. That's why Luke asks if the Force controls your destiny, with Obi-Wan replyign "partially, but it also obeys your commands". Or why that officer who was chocked by Vader seemed more angry than surprised that Vader used the Force against him.
In retrospectice, many of the prequels' faults, such as uninspired sets, poor dialogue and acting, and terrible ideas, are already present in RotJ, albeit in a lesser form.
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