>Today, Tuesday, “Avatar’s” record $760.5 million domestic gross is expected to be exceeded by that of J.J. Abrams’ new Star Wars movie.
>As of Monday, “The Force Awakens” had garnered a domestic total of $742.2.
>Get this. It took 2009’s “Avatar” 72 days to hit $700 million at the domestic box office six years ago. It took “The Force Awakens” 16 days to accrue the same amount in the same territory.
So, JJ Abrams will go down as one of the best directors of all time, right?
What was there to rape? Star Trek had been a corpse for over a decade before Abrams and Star Trek had already descended into generic blockbuster territory with Rick Berman.
JJ just did the generic blockbuster Star Trek well
He should get a best director nomination. TFA should also receive a best picture nomination and oscars for special effects and best supporting actor (Adam Driver).
If a shit movie like Avatar gets major nominations, then an actually good Star Wars movie should be praised as well.
JarJar Abrahms at least had the decencey to let the original Star Wars movies continue to exist in the new movie, in Star Trek, he wrote out every single series except for one of the worst ones (Enterprise) so that they never happened, and reduced the characters of the original Star Trek series to meme versions of their past selves.
>being this butthurt about a movie being good and entertaining
You faggots still don't understand how powerful Star Wars is. TFA will gross 1B domestically and almost 3B worldwide and no Cameron movie will ever beat it.
yeah because the chinks are gonna spend 1 billion on TFA.
No, but their sales will clearly boost the rest of the world who is already paying to see it. Plus another thing this movie has is that people are seeing it multiple times in theaters.
just compare the foreign boxoffice numbers:
TFA needs to double its ticket sales in lots of countries if it wants start competing with avatar.
Foreign markets are a lot leggier, especially countries like Japan. Star Wars will be in theatres until April at least and there is absolutely no competition, so it will still keep grossing lots of money. Definitely enough to challenge Avatar's WW gross.
Hell even Terminator has more merchandise every year than Avatar, and by a very wide margin.
Avatar has absolutely nothing going for it other than that it's the
formerlyhighest grossing movie of all time. The merchandise that came out with the movie was shit. The video game was shit. There's no expanded universe material like novels or comics, and if there were, the world of Avatar is so shallow that they'd run out of material right quick.
Avatar is a classic example of a massively overhyped movie that was not particularly good, but was innoffensive enough to sell well with a wide argument. I know some people are about to immediately say the same thing about The Force Awakens, but consider that The Force Awakens came hot on the heels of the extremely polarizing prequels, and it really was a very solid achievement for the franchise.
Avatar was great at making money, but as a franchise there's nothing to build a fandom on top of. People forgot about it just as quickly as it arrived because there is nothing to it other than your typical Ferngully-style environmental Aesop fable.
>Foreign markets are a lot leggier
Wrong. Only Japan. Every other overseas market behaves the same as domestic.
>Star Wars will be in theatres until April at least and there is absolutely no competition
It's already dropped 66+% overseas this week.
>Definitely enough to challenge Avatar's WW gross.
You don't know how the box office works.
Sorry kiddo, star wars was being talked about even decades later, after the horrible holiday special and atrocious EU books, while Avatard is dead and forgotten a mere year later.
You should reinvest your ego in something more worthwhile (Terminator, Aliens) to avoid further buttdevastation.
Subconsciously everyone remembers Avatar and because its owner had better things to do then spend the franchise on toys and shit, when Avatar returns it'll be twice as big as Jurassic World multiplied by Cameron quality which will drive people back.
So is maturity over as a concept? Is being an actual adult male just finished? It's all been replaced by effeminate manchildren who live in a neverland where they never have to grow up because "liking childish things shows I'm mature and don't care what others think!".
>Subconsciously everyone remembers Avatar
Holy shit that delusion. Face it, Avatar had nowhere the cultural impact Cameron's other works had. Nobody is cosplaying Na'Vi faggots or even corporate marines, nobody is making videogames, writing books, or creating worlds or characters based on Avatar. It's only saving grace was being the poster child for 3D cinema.
not going to happen until tomorrow, it did a shade under 8 million
still pretty crazy - it will be over 800 million after the weekend
This is true. Every year I go to Comic Con I still see people cosplaying as and lots of merchandise from Aliens and Terminator but I never see a single thing from Avatar.
It was a one hit wonder with no lasting appeal.
>Avatar is cult
Please look up words before you use them.
Every time I come to this board there's a bunch of people obsessively defending Avatar's success. Why are people hellbent on defending this one particular movie against everything else? What benefit is it if Avatar remains the highest grossing film of all time or not? Do you really think Cameron cares if a bunch of autists on 4chan are talking about his movie?
You're dumb as fuck and have no idea how the box office works.
TFA had made around 80% of its gross, both domestically and overseas (minus China). It suffered ~70% drops this week during the weekdays. The film has a 50/50 ratio and it's impossible to beat Avatar. The only question that is left is whether it'll beat Titanic.
Yeah I know. Titanic is literally the most successful movie of all time counting initial theatrical runs only. It sold over 100m tickets in Europe while Avatar did about 70m, and TFA won't even get anywhere near Avatar's numbers.
Either way, Jim is king.
Based on the drop patterns TFA has been seeing over the past few days/last weekend and comparisons to other December blockbusters like Hobbit/LotR trilogies and recent summer blockbusters like The Avengers/Jurassic World/Deathly Hallows 2 etc.
Here's an interesting article about Avatar but it's longer than a tweet or a /tv/ post so try and pay attention:
Predictions and logic based off of tons of past box office data and statistics
But I'm sure it'll beat avatar because "muh feels, I'm saying it will so it will!!!!!"
Stay delusional, and strap in for the rampant shitposting that occurs when this film fails to beat even Titanic.
By the way, here are Tuesday's numbers for TFA. $8m domestic (-72%), $13m overseas (-66%).
Normies don't give a shit about the movies they watch. It's just something to put on the screen while they eat popcorn. Avatar is the kind of movie that gets a shitton of "customers," but no actual fans. The reason there's no Avatar merchandise is because there are no fans to sell it to.
The point about cosplayers is really key. Just about anything that has devoted fans is going to have cosplayers, no matter how old it is. Even 30 years later, Back to the Future still has cosplayers. Avatar is one of the top grossing films of all time, but it doesn't have shit in terms of a fandom except for that one autistic anon who keeps making these threads every time Star Wars beats one of Avatar's records.
The last good Star Trek movie before '09 was First Contact, which wasn't even as good as 2, 4 or 6.
'09 was still better than any other Trek movie apart from 2, 4, 6 and First Contact.
TFA was a December release though. The Hobbit and LOTR trilogies are the only real viable comparison since those were December releases. Star Wars is the only december release to ever come close to Avatar, and so far it's moving much faster than either Avatar or The Hobbit.
Star Wars is breaking new ground for a December release. Every week this stupid Avatar faggot is making these threads saying that Star Wars is going to stop breaking Avatar's records next week, and it never does. Star Wars is going straight to the top and there's no stopping it. Star Wars is a cultural phenomena like nothing else.
I don't think any really film maker judges the quality of their movies on merchandise and cos play..because that shit is for children and adult females trying to be models using the retards of the fandom for Instagram and Facebook likes.youll probably never see jaws or shining cosplays because those were aimed at mature audiences. Not teens and children to sell them action figures to stuff their pockets
>money does not equal quality
Are you blind to what is actually happening?
Star wars LOST to Avatar in the second weekend overseas, and has only continued to lost to avatar since then. It experienced a much more significant drop that avatar post-holidays and is now making $15m+ daily LESS than avatar overseas.
So how will defending Avatar's box office gross on /tv/ affect TFA's performance in any way? Every thread I see about this is just someone saying, "Hey guys, these sales projections look like TFA is going to set a new record," and then a bunch of Avatarfags shouting "N-no they don't!"
It's one thing to dislike a movie, but to argue it's bad based on ticket sales is the stupidest of claims. Do people think that if they yell loud enough on the internet that TFA absolutely WILL NOT be #1, thousands of excited Star Wars fans will just stop going to see TFA? And do they think that if TFA hits #1 it will magically become the greatest movie ever made and destroy everything they love? Avatar sure as hell isn't considered the greatest movie ever made, nor has it stopped anyone from enjoying anything.
I really hate this place.
So? Whining about the way sales are going isn't going to change them, and if you can't enjoy a movie because it didn't make as much money as another movie, there's something seriously wrong with you. Whether you hate or love TFA, there is objectively no way it will be considered a failure at this point. It's been a cash cow even without breaking the #1 record.
TFA's reported budget was 200M (as was Titanic's, which equates to 300M in 2015 dollars, and Avatar's equates to 270M in 2015 dollars)
Disney takes approx 60% of domestic gross - total gross, is currently 758M, so Disney's take is 454M
They take approx 30% of foreign - foreign gross is 799M, so Disney's take is 240M
Disney's share of gross, to date, is 694M
Assuming they spent another 200M on marketing (maybe high, but it was definitely 150M+) - total spend on this film (not including the rights acquisition) is 400M
694M less 400M means the film is 294M in profit
Assuming the film does 900M domestic and 1bn international Disney's profit will be 440M
They spent 4bn on the rights acquisition, leaving 3.7bn at present to make up with merchandising and the rest of the films (or 3.56bn to go if the film profits 440
Analysts predict Star Wars Merchandise to hit 5bn in revenue in the 12 months from release of the film, assuming Disney takes a conservative estimate of 20% of that figure they will make 1bn in merchandising revenue by the time Rogue One is released
this leaves approx 2.5bn to make up from the initial acquisition costs
If this trend continues (an average of 1.4-1.5bn in profit every 12 months) Disney won't be completely in the black until sometime during the release of Episode 9
I'm a Star Wars fan (though I didn't much care for TFA) too but I can't really understand why you guys are 'trolling' with this so hard. Isn't it a basic truth that global box office is the only thing that matters? Are you just trying to piss off the three people who actually care about the money Avatar made?
>So, JJ Abrams will go down as one of the best directors of all time, right?
here's a good link for anyone following this:
the pic is week 3 of, from left to right:
The Force Awakens
the main point is that it's not really following the pattern of any other movie so it's very difficult to predict where it will go
on Tuesday people were saying the Monday drop of 63% meant it was going to start tanking, but:
- it was dropping from a pretty high figure to begin with
- holidays were over for a lot of people
- Avatar still dropped 53% (from a lower figure than TFA)
forgot to add in that there will be home video revenue (not included in the merchandising revenue)
for big tentpole stuff this varies, but it ranges between 300-600M for each film
Explain to someone like me who doesn't really understand the boxoffice much, why is the domestic revenue more important than the foreign one? Or better yet, why not get the sum of both instead?
International is way more important in the eyes of Hollywood due to the vast markets. China is #2. TFA has an even split between domestic and international and is struggling to break 1 bil internationally due to the lack of interest. Shills will deny this, of course, but the facts speak for themselves.
Mostly this. He's technically skilled enough to produce a well crafted product, while also being intelligent enough to check all the sjw boxes, thereby avoiding any offensive material that might cause various groups to boycott you and/or media sources to give you shitty press/reviews, all while also be pandering enough to service fans without being so obvious that it becomes insulting (for most)
In essence, he's the perfect director to produce a safe, non-offensive, non-denominational product that appeals to the most people possible. It's all about lowest common denominator, and JJ seems like the perfect combo of competent and shameless to mail it. Competent enough to know what people want, shameless enough to give it to them without wanting to mix it up or do something different and risky
For something so egregiously marketed and shilled, on virtually every single sellable product and every last electronic item with a screen, are those numbers really THAT good?
Lol, this meme again? It's already been pretty much ch confirmed that the next one will retcon the new timeline by merging with the one we know. Picard and company will probably cameo.
it used to be a lot more important, but now international is either just as important or slightly more important
the reason is that studios take approximately double the percentage from domestic revenue than they do from international - but the international grosses are larger, so if the international gross is more than double the domestic gross, the studio will probably make more profit from international than domestic
Avatar was a boring, CGI-filled mess with awful acting. The rest of the movie was so mediocre that I legitimately couldn't name two characters or a line from the movie like that maymay said. I remember the actors' names, but not the characters' names.
I think the worst part was how cheap the CG looked. Jurassic Park looked better, and STILL looks better. It's ridiculous.
>get told by my classmate that I should see this movie
>make sure you see it in 3D, anon, it's awesome
>go see it
>that A Bug's Life ride at Disney has better 3D effects
lmao look at this Cameronfag in denial.
>Star Wars will never beat Avatar shill harder
>I..i..it's only domestic B..b..based Cameron!
>N..n..no I don't care about that and neither does Cameron y..y..you losers!
S U I C I D E
you could have had a blind monkey direct it and it probably would have made even more money because than Star Wars fans would see it + people who just wanted to be progressive and support the monkey would have gone to it.
Anon was clearly talking about a new IP vs an already very well established IP.
Star Wars already has six movies (seven counting the CGI Clone Wars one that was in theater, nine also counting the two Ewok made-for-tv movies, ten also counting the Holiday Special), at least four cartoon series (five counting that first Clone Wars non-CGI cartoon that lasted two season), countless books and comic books, and even more video games and toys and PEZ dispensers and cereals and other shit behind it.
Unlike Avatar, which was just Avatar the movie when it came out. I remember the initial reaction to some people hearing that a movie called Avatar was coming out was "I wish it was the Airbender." Yes, some idiots actually wished they were getting yet another movie based on a pre-existing IP (fortunately, they got their wish).
Love it or hate it, Avatar was a brand new IP when it was released. In an age of prequels and sequels and reboots and remakes, the fact that a brand new IP still hasn't and won't be beat on the worldwide scale is a sign that it's not all shit.
It also says something that Star Wars 7, a rehash of Star Wars 4, is doing well in America but not abroad.
>he will try
Was anyone else in that thread last night with movies coming out in 2017?
Did it seem to anyone else that the whole year was just jampacked with blockbusters. And some so bad. That it had to be week after week.
Are they fucking mad?
>6 years of inflation doesn't account for dick.
Tell that to post-WW1 Germany.
Yep, he's trying to make it a series now.
He'll probably do pretty well. I wouldn't be shocked if Avatar 2 bumps this new Star Wars down further. Really just depends on what kind of experience he provides, and if he manages to capture foreign audiences again like he did with the first one (and like Star Wars 7 has failed to and will continue to fail to once it is officially released in China).
>So, JJ Abrams will go down as one of the best directors of all time, right?
If he had made the franchise yes, but he didnt. SW is well known and has had a fanbase built up over decades. They could have gotten uwe boll to direct and it would have brought in money (and many complaints) because its FUCKING STAR WARS. BTW i am not defending avatar, while cameron is a good director avatar was shit and should not have made the money it did imo-that i think was a case of the director having a following.
It's no accident people begin to grasp at straws to hate based JC. What's next, some Roger Dean art?
Avatar brought effects to a new level, just like Titanic and T2 and Aliens. On special effects alone Cameron is king. While I liked SW7, the effects were less than Avatar which came out 6 years ago.
>AWAKENS OVERTAKES AVATAR*
HOLY SHIT YOU GUYS THEY DID IT THEY BLEW CAMERON OUT OF THE WATER CAMERONFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH CAMERON ON SUICIDE WATCH HAHAHA YEAH
>*in the US ONLY
Well nevermind, then.
>but consider that The Force Awakens came hot on the heels of the extremely polarizing prequels
But that was rendered irrelevant when they announced that JewJew was directing it instead of Lucas.
Did you reply to the right person? I was posting against Cameronfags. My whole point was that it's stupid for people to obsess so much about Avatar being the most successful movie and trying to deny that anything could replace it.
I honestly don't know how you thought I was an Avatar shill from reading my post.
You're talking shit on a director that has made great movies, and doing so either cause of memes or cause you're from reddit. My brother is a redditor and talked shit on Cameron, until he actually saw Aliens and T2. I saw Avatar recently and it still stands as a great visual and effects masterpiece, even without the 3D. The same can't be said for many other movies. As a director he's a hard-ass slave driver cause he demands others to get on his level, which is always deeply focused on making the best movie he can. Not many other directors can say they have made great movies that kill at the box office consecutively that still hold up.
Because Avatar deserves it over a trilogy in Star Wars
Avatar was an original and innovative film, even if it wasn't actually a great movie.
Star Wars is just part of a franchise, using nostalgia to gain success and people are going to see it because its the "in thing"
JewJew had already built up his nerd cred on the back of the success of his Star Trek reboot.
The only real dent in the hype came when Disney invalidated the Extended Universe - and even then most Star Wars fans didn't care all that much.
Not that I'm admitting the EU was worth preserving, but if that didn't kill the hype for TFA I don't know what would've - fuck, nerds would've thrown money at Michael Bay or Uwe Boll directing the next Star Wars flick
Original and innovative?? It was a Pocahontas rip off. The only thing it had was 3D. It's literally a technology over creativity situation.
I hope TFA dethrones Avatar so that there's a proper movie in #1 and not a glorified 3D tech demo.
What. They didn't spend any more time creating the script, or filming the actors acting. Cameron puts extra effort into effects and visuals, he specifically waited for technology to improve to make Avatar after finishing Titanic. He's not liked by many actors and people in general who are involved in his movies because he has such high standards. During Aliens the brits were pissed at him cause he wanted them to stop taking so many tea breaks, and the actors in The Abyss will never work again with him cause he worked their asses hard. He's willing to do what he asks of the actors himself, and knows most people's jobs better than they do.
SW7 didn't top Avatar's effects even though the original Star Wars were developing visual effects technologies during their time (much like Cameron does with many of his movies).
Nice pasta. I'm not saying anything about the quality of Avatar or James Cameron's films. He's made a lot of great movies that deserve to be very successful. However, whether or not one of his films in particular stays at #1 worldwide doesn't affect anything about that movie's quality or the ability of people to enjoy it. At the end of the day, Cameron will always have a filmmaking legacy he can be proud of, and you can be proud of it, too. It simply doesn't matter if some other movie happens to sell more tickets or not; we will always be able enjoy the movies he's made.
>So, JJ Abrams will go down as one of the best directors of all time, right?
Probably not. it's an install base like that for passion of the christ.
With how over hyped it was, it was bound to happen. JJ or not.
>comparing an original movie like avatar to guaranteed success of a safe starwars movie reboot in a post capeshit world.
Avatar will establish an EU and we will be playing avatar battlefronts and watching the tree wars cartoon on TV. Screencap this familia
>Plus another thing this movie has is that people are seeing it multiple times in theaters.
I saw The Phantom Menace 7 times in the movie theater. Does that make the movie good? No it makes me a retard.
A Cirque De Soleil show just premiered this week.
The one vidya it got was total ass.
The toys were all gimmicky garbage that was way too fucking expensive. That shit warmed pegs for a couple of months before ending up on discount racks en masse for damn near six months.
Avatar will never have the following that Star Wars has because, and I really ficking hate to say it, George Lucas (and now Disney) is way better at marketing a product than Jimmy Cameron ever was.
My opinion is is not overtly positive for either; but I enjoyed Avatar greatly twice and sat in the theater never absorbed in TFA. Avatar is like a carnival. There's nothing special about a carnival unless you haven't been to a carnival in a while. When Avatar came out, the letdown of the Prequels still hung high and swords and sandals puttered out with unfair (opinion) criticism of Troy. The carnival of wide appeal meeting decent substance and fresh technical breakthroughs hadn't been in town for a while, so who cares if the story was written in an afternoon?
TFA is a fucking cash-in and I'm glad I went with a friend who owes me money. I'm not salty; I far from hated it, but its was met with the same enthusiasm I felt watching Hangover II. Its a huge meh and the glib facsimile meme is well earned.
This is like when kids are running in a race to a tree, and when it's clear one kid is losing, that kid screams "no the race was really to this rock right next to me" and quickly touches the rock and tries to claim victory.
Don't be that child, dude. Let's wait until it officially opens in China, where it has to do better than the last Harry Potter did globally in its entire run to beat with Avatar (not saying it won't happen, but TFA wasn't that big in other Asian countries, like Japan and Korea, and this is the first one to get an official release in China, meaning most Chinese people don't know or care about Star Wars).
Fucking capeshit is more original than avatar.
At least cape shit is referring to older versions of itself.
Avatar is just a carbon copy of
>"Muh foreign land"
>"Muh savior complex"
>"Muh going native"
It's literally the most boring over used fucking concept and apart from that the movie has some garbage fucking writing
avatar its the retelling of the conquest of mexico but with the mexicans winning.
Is it a bad story? Nope.
Meanwhile TFA it's a carbon copy of a new hope. The hypocrecy of the sw faggs is hilarious, man children all of you.
>at this rate
If it goes at this rate, no.
It'd have to be a huge, huge hit in China for it to get in the top five. Given how it's underperformed in other Asian countries, given that China has no history with this franchise, given that there's been weeks of bootlegs flooding the market, it's a safe bet to say China is gonna give this a pass.