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>Today, Tuesday, “Avatar’s” record $760.5 million domestic gross is expected to be exceeded by that of J.J. Abrams’ new Star Wars movie.
>As of Monday, “The Force Awakens” had garnered a domestic total of $742.2.
>Get this. It took 2009’s “Avatar” 72 days to hit $700 million at the domestic box office six years ago. It took “The Force Awakens” 16 days to accrue the same amount in the same territory.

So, JJ Abrams will go down as one of the best directors of all time, right?
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He's good at being bland enough and having enough explosions to attract casuals across the world to his movies
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>>64556083
>better start another shill thread as I lost the argument in the other one
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>>64556154
>I hate air!
Then die, faggot.
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>>64556173

>needing to "shill" the highest grossing film in US box office history

:/
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>>64556083

>Jewjew
>"""""Best director"""""
>Raped Star Trek (I don't even care about the series)
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>>64556225
What's worse: his movies or the fact that he chose JUST Lin for the next one?
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>>64556225
What was there to rape? Star Trek had been a corpse for over a decade before Abrams and Star Trek had already descended into generic blockbuster territory with Rick Berman.

JJ just did the generic blockbuster Star Trek well
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>>64556225

> raped Star Trek

Oh no, JJ Abrams made Star Trek fun and exciting so everyone can enjoy it instead of just crap for nerds.
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>>64556083
He should get a best director nomination. TFA should also receive a best picture nomination and oscars for special effects and best supporting actor (Adam Driver).

If a shit movie like Avatar gets major nominations, then an actually good Star Wars movie should be praised as well.
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>>64556173

AVATARD ON SUICIDE WATCH
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>>64556304
>TFA actually good
They're both on par with each other but at least avatar had stephen lang
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cameronfags on suicide watch
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>>64556310

Memes aside, does Avatar have a large dedicated fan base like Star Wars? I really haven't heard much about it after the movie was released. No conventions, no games, no books.
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Congrats all manchildren of America
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>>64556225
This
JarJar Abrahms at least had the decencey to let the original Star Wars movies continue to exist in the new movie, in Star Trek, he wrote out every single series except for one of the worst ones (Enterprise) so that they never happened, and reduced the characters of the original Star Trek series to meme versions of their past selves.
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>>64556334
Star Wars has good and memorable characters and easily the best villain of 2015. Avatar is completely forgettable.
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>>64556293
Shut the fuck up Mike
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>>64556353

no, there is an autistic James Cameron fan on /tv/ who spams his daily memes , but thats it.

he genuinely will kill himself if Avatar loses its throne
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>>64556083
post your face when Jews won again
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>>64556225
>being this butthurt about a movie being good and entertaining
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>>64556444
It's not like its too late for James Cameron to make the most succesful movie of all time for the third time, he's got to be up to something other than Avatar 2
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>>64556628
You faggots still don't understand how powerful Star Wars is. TFA will gross 1B domestically and almost 3B worldwide and no Cameron movie will ever beat it.
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TFA doesn't even release in China until Saturday. That's when Cameron's suicide watch really starts.
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>>64556965
yeah because the chinks are gonna spend 1 billion on TFA.
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>>64557178
>implying it needs 1 bilion in China
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>>64557178
No, but their sales will clearly boost the rest of the world who is already paying to see it. Plus another thing this movie has is that people are seeing it multiple times in theaters.
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>>64557354
just compare the foreign boxoffice numbers:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=avatar.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=starwars7.htm

TFA needs to double its ticket sales in lots of countries if it wants start competing with avatar.
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>>64556083
America is full of manchldren cucks.
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>>64556595
>being this kike lover
pathetic
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>>64557467
Foreign markets are a lot leggier, especially countries like Japan. Star Wars will be in theatres until April at least and there is absolutely no competition, so it will still keep grossing lots of money. Definitely enough to challenge Avatar's WW gross.
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>>64556193
You're the reason Humans will soon go extinct.
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>>64556353
Hell even Terminator has more merchandise every year than Avatar, and by a very wide margin.

Avatar has absolutely nothing going for it other than that it's the formerly highest grossing movie of all time. The merchandise that came out with the movie was shit. The video game was shit. There's no expanded universe material like novels or comics, and if there were, the world of Avatar is so shallow that they'd run out of material right quick.

Avatar is a classic example of a massively overhyped movie that was not particularly good, but was innoffensive enough to sell well with a wide argument. I know some people are about to immediately say the same thing about The Force Awakens, but consider that The Force Awakens came hot on the heels of the extremely polarizing prequels, and it really was a very solid achievement for the franchise.

Avatar was great at making money, but as a franchise there's nothing to build a fandom on top of. People forgot about it just as quickly as it arrived because there is nothing to it other than your typical Ferngully-style environmental Aesop fable.
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>domestic market
USA is full of manchildren. I'm not at all surprised by it's success.
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>>64556832
HAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>64557578
>Foreign markets are a lot leggier

Wrong. Only Japan. Every other overseas market behaves the same as domestic.

>Star Wars will be in theatres until April at least and there is absolutely no competition

It's already dropped 66+% overseas this week.

>Definitely enough to challenge Avatar's WW gross.

You don't know how the box office works.
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>>64557882
What a dumb retard. There was little to no hype a month before Avatar came out and predictions were that it might fail to recoup its cost.
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>>64558464
Sorry kiddo, star wars was being talked about even decades later, after the horrible holiday special and atrocious EU books, while Avatard is dead and forgotten a mere year later.
You should reinvest your ego in something more worthwhile (Terminator, Aliens) to avoid further buttdevastation.
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How long do films stay in the cinema?

Will it be there until the end of January?

I need to watch it again.
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>>64558550
Subconsciously everyone remembers Avatar and because its owner had better things to do then spend the franchise on toys and shit, when Avatar returns it'll be twice as big as Jurassic World multiplied by Cameron quality which will drive people back.
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So is maturity over as a concept? Is being an actual adult male just finished? It's all been replaced by effeminate manchildren who live in a neverland where they never have to grow up because "liking childish things shows I'm mature and don't care what others think!".
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>>64558677
>Subconsciously everyone remembers Avatar
Holy shit that delusion. Face it, Avatar had nowhere the cultural impact Cameron's other works had. Nobody is cosplaying Na'Vi faggots or even corporate marines, nobody is making videogames, writing books, or creating worlds or characters based on Avatar. It's only saving grace was being the poster child for 3D cinema.
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>>64556083

CALL THE COPS ON CAMERON

PUT HIM ON SUICIDE WATCH
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>>64558591
Early February at least
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>>64556083
not going to happen until tomorrow, it did a shade under 8 million

still pretty crazy - it will be over 800 million after the weekend
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>>64558987

This is true. Every year I go to Comic Con I still see people cosplaying as and lots of merchandise from Aliens and Terminator but I never see a single thing from Avatar.

It was a one hit wonder with no lasting appeal.
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>>64559118

And it opens in China this weekend, which will really tell us if it will be #1 in the world.
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>>64559217
>china decides it

When will this meme end? In truth, the answer was apparent about a year ago, and it's "no".
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>>64559306

>Answer was apparent a year ago
>TFA beats Avatar domestically in a quarter of the time

The only thing that's apparent is that there are no breaks on this train.
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That's what butthurt haters actually believe.
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>>64558987
>>64559193
That's because it's a normie movie, not a cult hit.
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0/10 YOU'RE JUST BUTTHURT
0/10 YOU'RE JUST BUTTHURT
0/10 YOU'RE JUST BUTTHURT
0/10 YOU'RE JUST BUTTHURT
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>>64559378

>Avatar is cult

Please look up words before you use them.
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>>64556353
>>64556628
>>64557467
>>64558064
>>64558464
>>64558677
Every time I come to this board there's a bunch of people obsessively defending Avatar's success. Why are people hellbent on defending this one particular movie against everything else? What benefit is it if Avatar remains the highest grossing film of all time or not? Do you really think Cameron cares if a bunch of autists on 4chan are talking about his movie?
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>>64559337
You're dumb as fuck and have no idea how the box office works.

TFA had made around 80% of its gross, both domestically and overseas (minus China). It suffered ~70% drops this week during the weekdays. The film has a 50/50 ratio and it's impossible to beat Avatar. The only question that is left is whether it'll beat Titanic.
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>>64559444

So it's made 80% of it's gross in a fraction of the time and that means it can't win?
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>>64559436
its not that they like Avatar, its just that they hate TFA.
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>>64559444
accounting for inflation, titantic grossed more than avatar.
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Domestic gross is meaningless.
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>>64559491
hes saying TFA has already made 80% of the money it will ever make.
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>>64559506
Yeah I know. Titanic is literally the most successful movie of all time counting initial theatrical runs only. It sold over 100m tickets in Europe while Avatar did about 70m, and TFA won't even get anywhere near Avatar's numbers.

Either way, Jim is king.
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>>64559538

And this is based on... what?
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>>64559558
Based on the drop patterns TFA has been seeing over the past few days/last weekend and comparisons to other December blockbusters like Hobbit/LotR trilogies and recent summer blockbusters like The Avengers/Jurassic World/Deathly Hallows 2 etc.
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>>64559600

So guesswork and hopes.

Have fun with that. ^_^
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Here's an interesting article about Avatar but it's longer than a tweet or a /tv/ post so try and pay attention:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2014/12/18/avatar-became-the-highest-grossing-film-of-all-time-while-leaving-no-pop-culture-footprint/
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>>64559657
Predictions and logic based off of tons of past box office data and statistics

But I'm sure it'll beat avatar because "muh feels, I'm saying it will so it will!!!!!"

Stay delusional, and strap in for the rampant shitposting that occurs when this film fails to beat even Titanic.

By the way, here are Tuesday's numbers for TFA. $8m domestic (-72%), $13m overseas (-66%).
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>>64559436

We are abatap and we are many.
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>>64558987
>>64559193
Normies don't give a shit about the movies they watch. It's just something to put on the screen while they eat popcorn. Avatar is the kind of movie that gets a shitton of "customers," but no actual fans. The reason there's no Avatar merchandise is because there are no fans to sell it to.

The point about cosplayers is really key. Just about anything that has devoted fans is going to have cosplayers, no matter how old it is. Even 30 years later, Back to the Future still has cosplayers. Avatar is one of the top grossing films of all time, but it doesn't have shit in terms of a fandom except for that one autistic anon who keeps making these threads every time Star Wars beats one of Avatar's records.
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What are the successful movies he's made that aren't well established franchises?? Super 8 and cloverfield?? Guy is a legit bomb maker
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>>64556225
>Raped Star
The last good Star Trek movie before '09 was First Contact, which wasn't even as good as 2, 4 or 6.

'09 was still better than any other Trek movie apart from 2, 4, 6 and First Contact.
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>>64559600
TFA was a December release though. The Hobbit and LOTR trilogies are the only real viable comparison since those were December releases. Star Wars is the only december release to ever come close to Avatar, and so far it's moving much faster than either Avatar or The Hobbit.

Star Wars is breaking new ground for a December release. Every week this stupid Avatar faggot is making these threads saying that Star Wars is going to stop breaking Avatar's records next week, and it never does. Star Wars is going straight to the top and there's no stopping it. Star Wars is a cultural phenomena like nothing else.
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>>64559930
I don't think any really film maker judges the quality of their movies on merchandise and cos play..because that shit is for children and adult females trying to be models using the retards of the fandom for Instagram and Facebook likes.youll probably never see jaws or shining cosplays because those were aimed at mature audiences. Not teens and children to sell them action figures to stuff their pockets

>money does not equal quality
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>>64560088

And even if it doesn't at the box office TFA has already made more in merchandise alone than everything Avatar has ever done.
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>>64557578
>absolutely no competition
BvS, Memepool, Captain America (I think). Decent competition.
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>>64560088
Are you blind to what is actually happening?

Star wars LOST to Avatar in the second weekend overseas, and has only continued to lost to avatar since then. It experienced a much more significant drop that avatar post-holidays and is now making $15m+ daily LESS than avatar overseas.
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everyone knew this would happen

the question is will avatar 2 beat 8/9/rogue one/han solo/bobby fett spinoff films
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>>64560119

No one is talking about quality here, we're talking about sales.
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>>64560125
That's especially true. Avatar was a bomb in terms of merchandise, and frankly I'd be surprised if Avatar 2 even has action figures.
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>>64560148

Only because it hasn't opened in China yet.
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>>64560148
It hasn't opened everywhere yet.
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>>64560196
>>64560199
Avatar also didn't open in China until this week.
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>>64560166
>will avatar 2 beat 8/9/rogue one/han solo/bobby fett spinoff films
No doubt about that.
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>>64560223

Why would they wait 7 years to release Avatar in China?
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>>64556083
*JEWiest director
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>>64560223
HAHAHAHA

Instantly fucking rekt any argument they had
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>>64556293
Go fuck yourself ya normie scum
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>>64557613
Wow anon, that's real insulting
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>>64559550
Isn't it Gone with the Wind or some shit?
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>>64556083
>domestic
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>>64560330

Because Gone with the Wind had a combined theatrical run of about 15 years.
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>>64560341
saved
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>>64560242
kek
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>>64560242
Because 7 years ago China was telling their people to be proud of Beijing's smog.
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>>64559492
>>64560170
So how will defending Avatar's box office gross on /tv/ affect TFA's performance in any way? Every thread I see about this is just someone saying, "Hey guys, these sales projections look like TFA is going to set a new record," and then a bunch of Avatarfags shouting "N-no they don't!"

It's one thing to dislike a movie, but to argue it's bad based on ticket sales is the stupidest of claims. Do people think that if they yell loud enough on the internet that TFA absolutely WILL NOT be #1, thousands of excited Star Wars fans will just stop going to see TFA? And do they think that if TFA hits #1 it will magically become the greatest movie ever made and destroy everything they love? Avatar sure as hell isn't considered the greatest movie ever made, nor has it stopped anyone from enjoying anything.

I really hate this place.
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>>64562037

Ticket sales are the only objective metric.
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We did it Reddit!
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>>64562056
So? Whining about the way sales are going isn't going to change them, and if you can't enjoy a movie because it didn't make as much money as another movie, there's something seriously wrong with you. Whether you hate or love TFA, there is objectively no way it will be considered a failure at this point. It's been a cash cow even without breaking the #1 record.
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I remember countless of threads claiming TFA will flop/is flopping.
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>>64556083
If you consider Michael Bay among the best directors of all time, then yes JJ Abrams is among them.
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>>64562481

He made The Rock so yes.
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>>64556083
>what is inflation
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TFA's reported budget was 200M (as was Titanic's, which equates to 300M in 2015 dollars, and Avatar's equates to 270M in 2015 dollars)

Disney takes approx 60% of domestic gross - total gross, is currently 758M, so Disney's take is 454M

They take approx 30% of foreign - foreign gross is 799M, so Disney's take is 240M

Disney's share of gross, to date, is 694M

Assuming they spent another 200M on marketing (maybe high, but it was definitely 150M+) - total spend on this film (not including the rights acquisition) is 400M

694M less 400M means the film is 294M in profit

Assuming the film does 900M domestic and 1bn international Disney's profit will be 440M

They spent 4bn on the rights acquisition, leaving 3.7bn at present to make up with merchandising and the rest of the films (or 3.56bn to go if the film profits 440

Analysts predict Star Wars Merchandise to hit 5bn in revenue in the 12 months from release of the film, assuming Disney takes a conservative estimate of 20% of that figure they will make 1bn in merchandising revenue by the time Rogue One is released

this leaves approx 2.5bn to make up from the initial acquisition costs

If this trend continues (an average of 1.4-1.5bn in profit every 12 months) Disney won't be completely in the black until sometime during the release of Episode 9
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>>64562543

6 years of inflation doesn't account for dick.
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>>64559961
He didn't direct Cloverfield
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I'm a Star Wars fan (though I didn't much care for TFA) too but I can't really understand why you guys are 'trolling' with this so hard. Isn't it a basic truth that global box office is the only thing that matters? Are you just trying to piss off the three people who actually care about the money Avatar made?
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>>64556083
>So, JJ Abrams will go down as one of the best directors of all time, right?
Nah.
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here's a good link for anyone following this:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=daily&id=liberge.htm

the pic is week 3 of, from left to right:
The Avengers
Jurassic World
Avatar
The Force Awakens
Titanic
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>>64562713

So it's still doing better than every movie ever.
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I liked the Star Trek movies.
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>>64556083
Cameron did it with an original idea
JJ needed 40 years of nostalgia and STAR WARS behind it.

When he does the same with his own "original" IP we'll talk
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>>64562739
Jurassic World was doing "better than every movie ever" for 4 weeks of its release.
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>>64562747
me2
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>>64562774

>Avatar
>Original idea
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>>64562747
Same
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>>64562774
Superior "Avatar" passing through.
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>>64556832
What if Sheev is the one behind dropping Rey in Jakku?
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>>64562739
the main point is that it's not really following the pattern of any other movie so it's very difficult to predict where it will go

on Tuesday people were saying the Monday drop of 63% meant it was going to start tanking, but:
- it was dropping from a pretty high figure to begin with
- holidays were over for a lot of people
- Avatar still dropped 53% (from a lower figure than TFA)
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>>64562774
ignoring the claim that Avatar is 'original', Cameron (and Fox) did it with the 3D gimmick
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>>64562925
oh, and on the following Tuesdays (i.e. yesterday) Avatar dropped 9% and TFA dropped 1%

any estimate of TFA's gross could have a margin of error of 100M
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How many years until /tv/ starts calling JJ based?

I give it four years, judging by how long it took for Avatar to be great in /tv/'s eyes
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>>64563064
All dem fathaless half-breed chinamen and aborted girls

Oy Vey!
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>>64562570
forgot to add in that there will be home video revenue (not included in the merchandising revenue)

for big tentpole stuff this varies, but it ranges between 300-600M for each film
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>>64562570
You're forgetting revenue from licensing their IP's to other companies to use in advertising. Every time a little kid tries to sell a kia with a lightsaber, disney makes money.
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>>64562774
>original idea
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>>64558987
The porn parody wasn't even very good.
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Explain to someone like me who doesn't really understand the boxoffice much, why is the domestic revenue more important than the foreign one? Or better yet, why not get the sum of both instead?
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there's 1.5 billion people in china. it has a chance at topping the global market.
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Domestic, but not worldwide.

JJ "Whitest Fucking Room" Abrams can take the US, but James Cameron can have the world.
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>>64563305

Because Disney makes more from the domestic box office because they have to license the movie out to foreign companies for distribution.
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>>64556383
>best villain
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>>64563305
International is way more important in the eyes of Hollywood due to the vast markets. China is #2. TFA has an even split between domestic and international and is struggling to break 1 bil internationally due to the lack of interest. Shills will deny this, of course, but the facts speak for themselves.
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>>64563331
It's James Cameron's world and we're just living in it
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>>64563330
Star wars isn't being released in China until January 9
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Mostly this. He's technically skilled enough to produce a well crafted product, while also being intelligent enough to check all the sjw boxes, thereby avoiding any offensive material that might cause various groups to boycott you and/or media sources to give you shitty press/reviews, all while also be pandering enough to service fans without being so obvious that it becomes insulting (for most)

In essence, he's the perfect director to produce a safe, non-offensive, non-denominational product that appeals to the most people possible. It's all about lowest common denominator, and JJ seems like the perfect combo of competent and shameless to mail it. Competent enough to know what people want, shameless enough to give it to them without wanting to mix it up or do something different and risky
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>>64563305
Overseas theatres take a bigger cut of the movie's gross compared to domestic. However, that's balanced out by the potentially greater number of butts in seats.
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>>64563437
But in the end his movies are always shallow and lack any sort of depth.
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>>64556083
For something so egregiously marketed and shilled, on virtually every single sellable product and every last electronic item with a screen, are those numbers really THAT good?
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>>64556083
>!!
SJW and/or Shill detected. Best to ignore.
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>>64563458
actually its just because in America the whole distribution system is literally owned by the studios.
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>>64556382

Lol, this meme again? It's already been pretty much ch confirmed that the next one will retcon the new timeline by merging with the one we know. Picard and company will probably cameo.
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>>64563305
it used to be a lot more important, but now international is either just as important or slightly more important

the reason is that studios take approximately double the percentage from domestic revenue than they do from international - but the international grosses are larger, so if the international gross is more than double the domestic gross, the studio will probably make more profit from international than domestic
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>>64563487
see >>64562570
and >>64563134
and >>64563157
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>>64563487
Yea.
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>>64563487
yes it is you dumb cuck
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TFA was so much better than Avatar.
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>>64563735
Both are shit, but TFA is completely incomprehensible, Mike.
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>>64557354
>Plus another thing this movie has is that people are seeing it multiple times in theaters.

No it doesnt.
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>>64563766
>this is what prequel denialists believe
kek, you cucked nigger kike
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>>64563766
Avatar was a boring, CGI-filled mess with awful acting. The rest of the movie was so mediocre that I legitimately couldn't name two characters or a line from the movie like that maymay said. I remember the actors' names, but not the characters' names.

I think the worst part was how cheap the CG looked. Jurassic Park looked better, and STILL looks better. It's ridiculous.

>get told by my classmate that I should see this movie
>make sure you see it in 3D, anon, it's awesome
>go see it
>that A Bug's Life ride at Disney has better 3D effects
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>>64559436
lmao look at this Cameronfag in denial.
>Star Wars will never beat Avatar shill harder
>I..i..it's only domestic B..b..based Cameron!
>N..n..no I don't care about that and neither does Cameron y..y..you losers!

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>>64556083

Lucas will go down in history as being such a great director that A New Hope became the most successful movie in the world both times it was made
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>>64560341
Based James
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>>64562774
>Cameron did it with an original idea
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>>64556083
>domestic
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>>64556083
you could have had a blind monkey direct it and it probably would have made even more money because than Star Wars fans would see it + people who just wanted to be progressive and support the monkey would have gone to it.
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>>64562774

>Cameron did it with an original idea
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>>64556083
How much did Avatar have after 16 days?
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>>64565094
Anon was clearly talking about a new IP vs an already very well established IP.

Star Wars already has six movies (seven counting the CGI Clone Wars one that was in theater, nine also counting the two Ewok made-for-tv movies, ten also counting the Holiday Special), at least four cartoon series (five counting that first Clone Wars non-CGI cartoon that lasted two season), countless books and comic books, and even more video games and toys and PEZ dispensers and cereals and other shit behind it.

Unlike Avatar, which was just Avatar the movie when it came out. I remember the initial reaction to some people hearing that a movie called Avatar was coming out was "I wish it was the Airbender." Yes, some idiots actually wished they were getting yet another movie based on a pre-existing IP (fortunately, they got their wish).

Love it or hate it, Avatar was a brand new IP when it was released. In an age of prequels and sequels and reboots and remakes, the fact that a brand new IP still hasn't and won't be beat on the worldwide scale is a sign that it's not all shit.

It also says something that Star Wars 7, a rehash of Star Wars 4, is doing well in America but not abroad.
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>>64565245
It's not even out in China yet.
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>>64562774
>Cameron did it with an original idea

I love this meme.
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>>64556628
Star Wars Episode X
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>>64565615
We've been dying for new Star Wars fami

DON'T YOU FUCKING REALIZE THIS?
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>>64562774
>Pocahontas
>original idea
>guys I was only pretending to be retarded
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>>64562774
"Pocahontas but the savages are blue and in 3d" isn't exactly original bro
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>>64565637
It's already out in China. Been out in China for a while.

It's called bootleggers, friend.
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>>64556489
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>>64559193
Both Aliens and Terminator are long running franchises retard.
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>>64565722
okay retard
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>>64565719
You're right: posting that is unoriginal.
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>>64565615
>Avatar was a brand new IP when it was released. In an age of prequels and sequels and reboots and remakes

Isn't he making 3 sequels?
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>>64565792
>he will try

Was anyone else in that thread last night with movies coming out in 2017?
Did it seem to anyone else that the whole year was just jampacked with blockbusters. And some so bad. That it had to be week after week.

Are they fucking mad?
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>>64565773
Literally more original than Avatar itself was tho
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>>64562574
>6 years of inflation doesn't account for dick.

Tell that to post-WW1 Germany.

Or Zimbabwe.
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>>64565792
Yep, he's trying to make it a series now.

He'll probably do pretty well. I wouldn't be shocked if Avatar 2 bumps this new Star Wars down further. Really just depends on what kind of experience he provides, and if he manages to capture foreign audiences again like he did with the first one (and like Star Wars 7 has failed to and will continue to fail to once it is officially released in China).
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>>64565966

>Cherry picking extreme examples
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>>64556083
>So, JJ Abrams will go down as one of the best directors of all time, right?

If he had made the franchise yes, but he didnt. SW is well known and has had a fanbase built up over decades. They could have gotten uwe boll to direct and it would have brought in money (and many complaints) because its FUCKING STAR WARS. BTW i am not defending avatar, while cameron is a good director avatar was shit and should not have made the money it did imo-that i think was a case of the director having a following.
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>>64565889
Not at all. In fact, you got beat to it in this very thread: >>64565716
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>>64563437
>>64563478
>samefagging

Sup reddit.
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>>64565966
>1.10 equals 100000000000
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>>64562808
>>64563182
>>64565094
>>64565452
>>64565649
>>64565716
>>64565889
It's no accident people begin to grasp at straws to hate based JC. What's next, some Roger Dean art?
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>>64566070
fuck you James Cuck Cameron
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>>64565615
This. Avatar was a no-name movie that can in and swept out the competition.
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>>64566070
Based Cameron
Star Fags on Suicide Watch
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>>64556304
Avatar brought effects to a new level, just like Titanic and T2 and Aliens. On special effects alone Cameron is king. While I liked SW7, the effects were less than Avatar which came out 6 years ago.
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>>64557882
It appears you have angered the avatards with the truth. Keep it up!
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>AWAKENS OVERTAKES AVATAR*
HOLY SHIT YOU GUYS THEY DID IT THEY BLEW CAMERON OUT OF THE WATER CAMERONFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH CAMERON ON SUICIDE WATCH HAHAHA YEAH

>*in the US ONLY
Oh? Oh.

Well nevermind, then.
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>>64557882
>but consider that The Force Awakens came hot on the heels of the extremely polarizing prequels

But that was rendered irrelevant when they announced that JewJew was directing it instead of Lucas.
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>>64564339
Did you reply to the right person? I was posting against Cameronfags. My whole point was that it's stupid for people to obsess so much about Avatar being the most successful movie and trying to deny that anything could replace it.

I honestly don't know how you thought I was an Avatar shill from reading my post.
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>>64566253

That's because they spend their time on writing and acting instead of special effects.
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>>64559436
You're talking shit on a director that has made great movies, and doing so either cause of memes or cause you're from reddit. My brother is a redditor and talked shit on Cameron, until he actually saw Aliens and T2. I saw Avatar recently and it still stands as a great visual and effects masterpiece, even without the 3D. The same can't be said for many other movies. As a director he's a hard-ass slave driver cause he demands others to get on his level, which is always deeply focused on making the best movie he can. Not many other directors can say they have made great movies that kill at the box office consecutively that still hold up.
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>still hasn't beaten Jurassic World or Titanic worldwide
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Gone With The Wind is still the eternal winner. Wrap it up 21st Centurailures
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>>64556383
Avatar as a movie/film/whatever is average and forgettable. People paid to experience the gimmick of 3D.
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>>64556083
Good now it's the most hated movie in history, so now it's about what the next movie is to take this turds place.
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>>64556083
You people told me this was going to flop.
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>>64557882
I guess that's why they made a theme park ride of it after 7 years.
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>>64559436

Because Avatar deserves it over a trilogy in Star Wars

Avatar was an original and innovative film, even if it wasn't actually a great movie.

Star Wars is just part of a franchise, using nostalgia to gain success and people are going to see it because its the "in thing"
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>>64566395
Not really, anon. It just moved the expectations from "it's going to suck" to "there's hope that it doesn't suck"
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>>64562420
it is because they had to buy the franchise
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>>64566808
JewJew had already built up his nerd cred on the back of the success of his Star Trek reboot.

The only real dent in the hype came when Disney invalidated the Extended Universe - and even then most Star Wars fans didn't care all that much.

Not that I'm admitting the EU was worth preserving, but if that didn't kill the hype for TFA I don't know what would've - fuck, nerds would've thrown money at Michael Bay or Uwe Boll directing the next Star Wars flick
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>>64566735
Original and innovative?? It was a Pocahontas rip off. The only thing it had was 3D. It's literally a technology over creativity situation.

I hope TFA dethrones Avatar so that there's a proper movie in #1 and not a glorified 3D tech demo.
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>>64567168
It just happened

TFA is as of now the highest grossing film in the US.
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Americans are plebs with shit taste, what else is new?
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>>64566070
REKT
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And it's there
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but he can't beat titanic

no one can
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>>64566476
What. They didn't spend any more time creating the script, or filming the actors acting. Cameron puts extra effort into effects and visuals, he specifically waited for technology to improve to make Avatar after finishing Titanic. He's not liked by many actors and people in general who are involved in his movies because he has such high standards. During Aliens the brits were pissed at him cause he wanted them to stop taking so many tea breaks, and the actors in The Abyss will never work again with him cause he worked their asses hard. He's willing to do what he asks of the actors himself, and knows most people's jobs better than they do.

SW7 didn't top Avatar's effects even though the original Star Wars were developing visual effects technologies during their time (much like Cameron does with many of his movies).
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>>64566070
>world of Pandora
>original

top kek
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>>64566537
Nice pasta. I'm not saying anything about the quality of Avatar or James Cameron's films. He's made a lot of great movies that deserve to be very successful. However, whether or not one of his films in particular stays at #1 worldwide doesn't affect anything about that movie's quality or the ability of people to enjoy it. At the end of the day, Cameron will always have a filmmaking legacy he can be proud of, and you can be proud of it, too. It simply doesn't matter if some other movie happens to sell more tickets or not; we will always be able enjoy the movies he's made.
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>>64562774
Another "original idea" reporting in.
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>>64567722
>writing out a larger well-thought out post means it's a pasta

I bet you think capitalization is wizard magic, too.
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>>64567557
>implying domestic is a big deal and worldwide isn't GOAT
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>>64556083
>So, JJ Abrams will go down as one of the best directors of all time, right?
Probably not. it's an install base like that for passion of the christ.
With how over hyped it was, it was bound to happen. JJ or not.
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Reminder
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>>64567762
>As thrilling as any original Star Wars trek

wh-what
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>>64567967
Literally Reddit: The List
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>>64568002
Reddit would fucking hate Gone with the Wind if they cared about any film made before 2000. It's way too politically incorrect for them.
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>comparing an original movie like avatar to guaranteed success of a safe starwars movie reboot in a post capeshit world.

Avatar will establish an EU and we will be playing avatar battlefronts and watching the tree wars cartoon on TV. Screencap this familia
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>>64567933
Avatarfag blown the fuck out
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>>64556083
no, his movie will be forgotten as the mediocre pos it is.
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>>64568000
Marketing wizards. May the force be with you while you live long and prosper.
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>>64557354
>Plus another thing this movie has is that people are seeing it multiple times in theaters.

I saw The Phantom Menace 7 times in the movie theater. Does that make the movie good? No it makes me a retard.
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>>64566708
>>64557882
>>64556353

A Cirque De Soleil show just premiered this week.
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>>64556353
The one vidya it got was total ass.
The toys were all gimmicky garbage that was way too fucking expensive. That shit warmed pegs for a couple of months before ending up on discount racks en masse for damn near six months.

Avatar will never have the following that Star Wars has because, and I really ficking hate to say it, George Lucas (and now Disney) is way better at marketing a product than Jimmy Cameron ever was.
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>>64569764
True that fami.
I'm currently deciding whether or not to save my shekels for one of those Millennium Falcon quadcopters or that BB-8 droid.
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>>64556083
My opinion is is not overtly positive for either; but I enjoyed Avatar greatly twice and sat in the theater never absorbed in TFA. Avatar is like a carnival. There's nothing special about a carnival unless you haven't been to a carnival in a while. When Avatar came out, the letdown of the Prequels still hung high and swords and sandals puttered out with unfair (opinion) criticism of Troy. The carnival of wide appeal meeting decent substance and fresh technical breakthroughs hadn't been in town for a while, so who cares if the story was written in an afternoon?
TFA is a fucking cash-in and I'm glad I went with a friend who owes me money. I'm not salty; I far from hated it, but its was met with the same enthusiasm I felt watching Hangover II. Its a huge meh and the glib facsimile meme is well earned.
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>>64559378
so was Star Wars
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>>64556083
>domestic
This is like when kids are running in a race to a tree, and when it's clear one kid is losing, that kid screams "no the race was really to this rock right next to me" and quickly touches the rock and tries to claim victory.

Don't be that child, dude. Let's wait until it officially opens in China, where it has to do better than the last Harry Potter did globally in its entire run to beat with Avatar (not saying it won't happen, but TFA wasn't that big in other Asian countries, like Japan and Korea, and this is the first one to get an official release in China, meaning most Chinese people don't know or care about Star Wars).
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>>64563106
did we insult your manlet kike you piece of reddit trash ?
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>>64566070
Fucking capeshit is more original than avatar.
At least cape shit is referring to older versions of itself.
Avatar is just a carbon copy of
>"Muh foreign land"
>"Muh savior complex"
>"Muh going native"
It's literally the most boring over used fucking concept and apart from that the movie has some garbage fucking writing
>unobtainium
POTTERY
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>>64556083
>domestic gross
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>>64568546
u still mad and jelly? this only shows that u.s. has the most manchildren in the world.
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>>64572231
avatar its the retelling of the conquest of mexico but with the mexicans winning.
Is it a bad story? Nope.
Meanwhile TFA it's a carbon copy of a new hope. The hypocrecy of the sw faggs is hilarious, man children all of you.
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>>64572497
I guess they're mexicans in the movie, because they sure were mexicants irl :^)
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>>64567967
Yep.

Adjusted for inflation, The Force Awakens probably won't even make top five.
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>>64572726
Bullshit. It absolutely will at the rate it's earning. It's already number 21.
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>>64572788
>at this rate
If it goes at this rate, no.

It'd have to be a huge, huge hit in China for it to get in the top five. Given how it's underperformed in other Asian countries, given that China has no history with this franchise, given that there's been weeks of bootlegs flooding the market, it's a safe bet to say China is gonna give this a pass.
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>>64572891
THAT'S NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS !
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goddammit how can any of you fucks unironically think that this garbage was better than even the prequels?
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>>64573028

Because it is.
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>>64573028
Well memed.
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>>64556595
>implying the movie was good
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>>64573159

sup George?
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>>64563487
Who is this fluid druid?
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