According to the EU the crystal decides the color. I don't think the movies ever officially gave an answer what dictates the color. However Luke was originally supposed to have a blue lightsaber in Jedi, but ILM realized that because of the Tatooine sky was blue, the lightsaber wasn't visible in the outdoor shots against the blue sky in the background. So they changed it to green so that it would be more visible. Also there is a deleted, short scene from ROTJ which shows Luke assembling his lightsaber and igniting it. If you don't believe me about ILM changing the color of the lightsaber from blue to green, just watch early teasers for Return of the Jedi where it is still blue.
>>64524249 I think the idea is that Jedi Masters are so well-disciplined that they can tap into the dark side of the Force without turning evil. He regularly skirts around Jedi code by lopping off Jango's head without any hesitation and trying to assassinate Sheev.
Samuel L Jackson wanted a purple lightsaber and he got it. There is nothing more to it.
But in the EU he did use the dark side a bit in his fighting style (this has nothing to do with the color of his lightsaber, that chart the other anon posted is pure horseshit). He used a fighting style called Vapaad, which takes extreme skill to master as a Jedi since you sort of use controlled rage. You could fall to the dark side if you're not careful.
Please note he held his own against the emperor because he used the dark side too. I say held his own because i refuse to believe sheev could be defeated like that, he wanted to be defeated so Anakin would see him in pain and turn.
>>64525045 They could, and sometimes did during war time, but Jedi did not typically carry blasters for the same reason they didn't use armor: They didn't consider themselves warriors and they felt by arming themselves like warriors they would fall into that role. The lightsaber is a woefully inefficient weapon for fighting a war, the Jedi would be much more lethal with blasters. Imagine someone who can see the future with a sniper rifle.
Luke actually used one in the EU novels, he headshot like 50 alien noobz before it ran out of charge.
>>64524955 The Obi Wan duel fit better into the movie's plot than the duels in the prequels, and it also cemented the lightsaber as a pop culture symbol. However, the fight itself was pretty lame because one actor was too old to do it properly and the other was encased in an unwieldy costume. The part where Guinness tries to do a spin and does it painfully slowly being a case in point
Literally one of the first things Obi-Wan says about Anakin is that he was a cunning warrior. Also the first thing that comes into Luke's mind when Obi-Wan says that he was a Jedi is that he fought in the clone wars. Jedi were clearly meant to be warriors.
>>64526833 Star Wars tech is always how the wrtiter wants it to be sometimes its extremly advanced and other times not any better than our tech. Blaster bolts in Clone Wars also move as fast as nerf ammo. It's incredibly slow in some shots.
>>64523293 >KOTOR Three crystal spots inside the lightsaber (color crystal-stat crystal #1-stat crystal #2)
Blue for Guardians/Weaponmasters Green for Consulars/Masters Yellow for Sentinels/Watchmen Red for Sith any other color are for special snowflakes
>EU/Legends Crystal chooses the owner and owner finds it elsewhere or makes one with enough force concentration, Crystal-rich planets like Ilum and Dantooine are used by Jedi to farm crystals and the rarer ones are generally better.
You have Sith and Jedi using unconventional colors but they're mostly special snowflakes and stick to the generic blue, green, yellow and red. There are white, silver, orange, gold, purple and aqua ones as well. They also switch lightsaber colors as such is the case with Kyle Katarn (Blue, Green, Aqua, Yellow) and exceptions to the rule like Ben Skywalker (Red, even though he's a goody two shoes kid).
tl;dr WE WUZ CRYSTALS AND SHIT
>Movies Blue and Green for Jedi Yellow, Orange, Purple, Aqua, White for special snowflakes Red for Sith
Dindu chose purple so he would stand out in the arena battle, Luke used blue until he switched to green because blue sucks in Tatooine.
>Be forewarned, any and everything you ask about why a lightsaber is a certain color will be answered with, "Because that is the color of its crystal." >Now, I know that you probably didn't understand that, so please ask me about lightsaber colors so I can tell it to you again and you can once more fail to understand it.
Because I said it, and you asked, and I said it again, and you asked again, knowing full well you'd get the exact same answer.
Green represents a connection to the Living Force, the Force energy created by all living things. Those who wield the green blade are empathetic and compassionate to creatures of all shapes and sizes. Qui Gon, Yoda, Luke.
Blue represents a connection to the Cosmic Force. The Force energy which exists on a higher plane, the great celestial power which envelops the Galaxy. Those who wield the blue blade are consumed with the larger philosophical issues, justice, and balance. Anakin and Obi Wan.
Luke >is shown playing with a single seat civilian fighter >is said by ben to "have become quite good at flying his ship" >says himself he used to fly his T-16 >says the exhaust port is an easy target and he used to bullseye similar shit >is the son of a landed farmer so the whole situation is believable
Rey >says "I'm a pilot" >is never shown in any situation that might indicate she indeed is a pilot >is a poor scavenger that has to scrape by everyday for food >the closest thing she has to a ship is her ice-cream speeder
>>64527225 Meme tier, it's better than most of the prequel dogshit but it's basically ruined by 2 things
1. Lightsabers are just fucking laser baseball bats. They clobber each other for no reason with shallow blows when they could just kill each other. There is no reason Finn survived other than plot armor.
2. Rey going into 'FORCE CENTER BALANCE' mode and suddenly kicking ass. The fight, movie and character would have been IMMENSELY more believable if they got into the saber lock, having just seen what Finn had happen to his shoulder during a lock, saw the vent coming towards her arm.
We get a shot of her face and she's terrified, her face basked in the light blue of her saber. Then as the blade comes closer and closer we start to see her blade gradually shoved aside and Ren's covers her face in a red glow, her fear turns to rage and she kicks his ass.
Then we see her remorseful at the end, and that weird imploring look she gives to Luke makes more sense. We could see her being afraid of what she could become, like Luke was on Dagobah. It would instantly give her much of the depth and believability that she lacked and would allow her to cast off the Mary Sue meme. But nope, too complex of a story for Disney, can't have our newest princess having any character flaws or weaknesses!
>>64526836 fuck no wonder I've been confused. I never had an interest in the animated one, but I've seen webms from the cgi show. Then I saw 2d animated ones so i thought there was 2 animated shows but only one was called the clone wars. Now I know otherwise
>>64531539 I personally liked only two fights in the entire series. >Luke vs Vader (RotJ) >Anakin vs Obi-Wan (RotS)
The rest are dogshit to me personally. Star Wars isn't known for it's deep and intricate fights (rather the flashy laser swords themselves), just the emotional investment people have with the characters.
Both duels show the culmination of the main characters (good and bad) as they develop and hone their skills. And both ending fights have high stakes: RotJ >If Luke doesn't beat Vader, then he and Palpatine take over the Galaxy again with the Empire RotS >If Obi-Wan doesn't beat Anakin, then he gains free reign over the universe in his prime with Sheev as a teacher.
They have completely different choreographical styles which both make contextual sense. RotJ >Luke is a kid with only 1 week of Formal Training with a Time-skip consisting of improvisation. >Vader is a crippled shell of a man weakened by old age and prosthetics. RotS >Anakin and Obi-Wan are two of the best Jedi in the Galaxy. >Both are relatively in their Prime with decades of formaltraining.
Complain about the nature of the Prequel fight all you damn well want. You have the right to do that. But do not be that fucking dumbass who doesn't recognize their contextual important.
>>64531307 Your entire validation for a character's skill set is other characters knowing about it? >toys >moisture farmers need planes >luke says it so it's fine, but not when rey says it >luke is never shown in any situation that might indicate he indeed is a pilot Your biggest point is "she's poor" but it doesn't mean she's never flown as work before. You really really just want that tiny little extra detail and suddenly you don't care any more. If that's all it takes then it's not a problem, it's a nitpick.
>>64532184 That wasn't a fight pham. That was Vader being a dick to his son and chopping his hand off because of plot. In all seriousness, Luke has no chance.
ANH and ESB have already built Vader up as a badass that Force Chokes people and toss them aside like ragdolls with one-hand. If Vader were really out to kill, he could've Force Choked Luke right there and then. But he didn't.
This tells us that Vader is fucking with Luke (probably because he now knows that he's fighting his own son).
>He didn't look when attempting to Freeze Luke >He casually tosses debris at Luke instead of Choking him or slicing him in half. >He has an ambush set up in the hallway, but monologues over it because plot - giving Luke an auditory cue to dodge.
It's not that people can't enjoy it, but I personally can't because I can't root for Luke. The poor bastard is at the mercy of his Father.
At least in RotJ Luke had some prior showings of being a capable fighter: >Mind Trick >Stopping the Rancorr >Beating Boba Fett (or at least holding his own before plot killed him) >Telekinesis etc.
All of this before taking on Vader again for the second time.
>>64523293 Apparently jedi go into a cave and pick their own crystal or something. Which doesn't make any sense, or else you'd see different shades of blue or green. Instead it's always the same generic rainbow ones with no in between.
>>64532750 >>64532765 this meme needs to end now unless you're talking about that bob dylan song which if you are is fucking retarded since none of his discography gets you pumped up at all and it's called "It Ain't Me Babe"
Basically the entirety of RotJ was about Luke coming closer to the dark side, just as Yoda said would happen if he left Dagobah before completing his training, which is why the Emperor is able to tempt him so much. But when he sees the hand of Vader and realizes his vision of "becoming his father" is coming true, he is able to reject the dark side completely, thus essentially fulfilling his development arc. It's really nice, and is the only really good element of RotJ, and it definitely needs more credit.
Though, it's often lost on many people now, who think the only change in Luke between 5 and 6 was that he got "more badass".
>even Yoda kicks ass when he needs to in the prequels The fact that Yoda, as well as Sheev, even had LS at all, much less used them, basically devalued a lot of the message both characters conveyed in Empire and Return. It was just a decision designed to sell toys.
MAYBE you could justify that Sheev has a LS because he never actually uses it to win (with Mace, he just pretends to loose in order to trick Anakin into joining him, and he's basically just fucking with Yoda), but that's a bit of a stretch.
>>64534274 I think time was of the essence towards the end of the film, so they decided splitting up would be better than killing Sheev and leaving Anakin to possibly take his place, or killing Anakin and letting Sheev win anyway and just take on a new apprentice
Then you'd see that Mace Windu actually did embody certain traits that the Sith did.
It's basically all a coincidence that things turned out this way since SLJ just wanted a purple lightsaber, but his character ended up being really unique in that despite being a Jedi, certain aspects of his character are not unlike the Sith. His fighting style is even vaapad, which is an aggressive style favored by Dark Side users. It's pretty interesting actually.
>>64534925 Also if you'd noticed, he's like one of the angriest Jedi throughout the PT, to the point where you get the feeling that he's constantly restraining his anger. Dude's just REALLY good at controlling his emotions. He's basically an emotional Jedi who, unlike the Sith, is able to keep his emotions in check and use his anger in a more positive manner. He's basically the closest you could be to a Sith while still remaining a Jedi.
There have been heaps of reasons across the various canons. In most of the Old Republic stuff (thousands of years ago), green is for those who primarily value wisdom, blue is for those who primarily study combat, and yellow was for those who strive to find a balance - jack-of-all-trades, master of none. As far as the bullshit with cyan, viridian, orange and all that crap, I've always just considered them different shades of those three colours - the way you can have dozens of green emeralds of different colours being the same as different lightsaber crystals, if that makes sense.
In the Republic years (up to and including the prequels), Jedi would get generally build their crystals in the caves of Ilum, where only green and blue crystals grew. By this time so many exceptions had been made to the original rules that it was pretty much just personal preference.
After the Galactic Civil War (the OT), Ilum was long-gone, having been destroyed by the Empire. The New Jedi Order would use whatever crystals they could find, resulting in any colour being used - green, blue, purple, yellow, even red.
The Sith have always used red lightsabers because they use synthetic crystals rather than naturally occurring ones.
Obviously there are notable exceptions to all of these explanations. Mace Windu was given a purple crystal after nearly killing and then saving an alien's life. Adi Galia and Plo Koon use a red and a yellow lightsaber, respectively, in the EU, but then both use blue in the films. Dark Jedi (not Sith) frequently use their old lightsabers or even new ones of various colours, not necessarily red.
As far as the real-world explanations go, blue is good and red is bad. Luke gets a green one in RotJ because the blue looked crap against the blue sky, and Mace got a purple one in AotC because Samuel L. Jackson wanted a purple one.
And Rey "Definitely Not Jacen's Sister Jaina" Strongwoman?
The EU is more canon than anything we'll get out of the Disney reboot. All they did was say "lol jk" to years and years of EU content purely so that they had free reign to rip off entire characters, plot lines, and other core concepts for their own purposes without possible contradictions.
>>64535084 Would also just add that as far as an appreciation for the films and nothing else goes, there's a good amount of merit to applying the Old Republic logic to the films, as they got it from the films in the first place. Just forget the yellow lightsabers, and look at the blue as the more lightsaber-oriented, and the green as the more Force-oriented.
Blue: Luke in TESB, Obi-Wan, Mace Windu (closer to blue than green, anyway). Green: Luke in RotJ, Qui-Gon, Yoda
>>64535084 >In most of the Old Republic stuff (thousands of years ago), green is for those who primarily value wisdom, blue is for those who primarily study combat, and yellow was for those who strive to find a balance - jack-of-all-trades, master of none Thats literally some video game shit. Like not even putting it down, I loved kotor.
But do you really think the Jedi themselves would codify that shit? They're monks - and it's just a color. They're not crips and bloods, or dumb sports ball fans. The color would either be what's available, or just something of some personal signifigance. To remind them of something to stay focused.
>>64535186 >Just forget the yellow lightsabers, and look at the blue as the more lightsaber-oriented, and the green as the more Force-oriented. That's still game stuff bro. You're literally trying to make classes for D&D. It's better if the stuff is more open and mysterious than that.
>>64535210 >>64535249 Well, no. I'm not saying that at all. OP asked what the significance of colour is, and I've given several different significances explored across the canon and non-canon EU. I don't think there's any significance other than a personal one.
it's pretty arbitrary due to the EU being canned, 2bhfam.
using the 3d shows are source though,
jedi: shades of blue or green (ahsoka had a lime-green side saber). temple guards also use yellow. sith: exclusively red, these are created from synthetic materials. other: pre vizla had a black lightsaber; ahsoka currently uses two white lightsabers; dindu has purple (not sure if it's still canon but basically to represent his mastery of both sides of the force).
>>64524955 >Obi-Wan+Qui-Gon vs Maul >Classic Really should be meme tier. Only actually good part about it is Duel of the Fates, which I will still defend as basically the best non-meme thing to come out of the prequels.
>>64535688 I think the RotJ fight is the best though I do agree that the RotS fight is not as bad as people claim it is. Yeah it goes on for far longer than it should but it does have actual emotion, unlike what the fags at RLM claim.
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