>>64505207 >Based Anakin: afraid of his mother dying, blames himself since that was his fear since he was a child, premonitions of padme dying, does anything to keep her alive. >worse than kylo: great parents, wise uncle, chosen one as the grandfather who brought balance
>yfw all these years people complaining about Anakin in the prequels and it turns out all they wanted was Meme Ren aka Darth Elliot Rodgers, the kid who killed his classmates and his father because he wants to be as cool as grandpa
>yfw Elliot Rodgers copied Anakin ("they're animals!") and now Meme Ren copies Elliot Rodgers
>yfw Meme Ren is a bad copy of a really bad copy of Anakin
Stupid critics and bloggers and youtubers and that kind of people say how much they love this crap because it gives them views, likes, subs, and all that shit.
Now if you talk to normal people irl they don't love TFA that much. I still have to talk with someone that 'LOVED' this movie. And I have talked with like 10 people about it, and most of them were disappointed.
It may be just americans that are more prone to eat junk movies. Idk.
>>64505147 He wasn't an amateur in the slightest. What part about him was amateurish? The part where he was clearly the most experienced and talented force user? The part where he led an excursion on a hostile planet?
I hated his character because he was Eric Harris with a lightsaber. His motivations sophomoric and his actions childish. His masked voice was ridiculous. He's not the DEEP AND COMPLEX character you people make him out to be, and even if he was that's not how a space opera works.
Well of course, it's obvious as fuck but do you expect the average /tv/ retard to understand this? I mean, I've seen people being so fucking stupid as to say, and I quote, "There was no reason for Kylo Ren to hate his father".
And in case you are this fucking stupid I'll spell it out for you, he does NOT hate his father. How in the nine fucks of hell do you even come to that conclusion? It was because he loved his father that he fucking struggled with confronting and then killing his father.
Anyway, to continue spelling it out for the fucktards, Kylo is a young, complete with insecurity issues partly caused by the fact that he's trying to live up to the legacy of Darth Vader.
I mean why the fuck do you think he has a mask? Have you seen ANY fucking Siths besides Darth Vader that wore any? There are a few but they are not a majority.
Now, the reason you dislike Kylo is not that he is a bad character, but rather that he's a bad villain and it most likely was done on purpose, either to build him up as a villain over the movies or to make him turning good not seem like some full on asspullery.
I get the hate for him, but calling him a bad character is just stupid as fucking hell and ignoring a lot of shit in the movie. He's a bad villain because he, once the mask is removed and his true appearance and personality revealed, is not intimidating among other things. Hes putting up a facade to fill the shoes of Darth Vader but without his mask, both the one he puts on his face and his personality, he's weak and pathetic.
>>64505249 He had a few tricks, I don't know why people think this means he is the strongest force user ever. He also isn't stable and truly self-confident. He loses power with the force when he feels he is losing control of a situation. He may have been strong at the beginning of the movie but as he moves forward he loses competence and confidence, as well as power. By the end he is unstable enough to be nearly powerless, killing his father hurt him way more than it did good.
>>64507997 I don't remember the exact quote but JJ said in an interview that the story was both about Rey becoming a hero (which she already kinda is with the whole Mary Sue shit) and of Kylo becoming a villain
>>64508149 I didn't know that, but thanks for the info.
Rey is Mary Sue but she could be a lot worse as well since most of the shit she does can be explained from her living on a junk planet since she was a kid (Repairing stuff, fighting, surviving)
I heard that the novels told of her using flight simulators too which could be a reason for her being good at flying I guess but I also suspect she's Luke's daughter which might make her being a good pilot a bit more sensible.
Her being able to use Jedi Mind tricks and shit was fucking stupid though. I feel that she would be a lot better as a character if they had her escape trough some other means.
I hope they can manage to build Kylo up as an intimidating villain. I don't think I've seen many movies do that, build a villain up from weakwilled and wimpy into something genuinely threatening and scary.
>>64507997 Maybe hes not a bad character in itself But he is badly written Firstly as THE villain he sucks and since his entire characterisation in TFA is him being a villain his character actually sucks Secondly we dont understand any of his conflict or pain. All he does talk about cryptic light and vader references
Even if you didn't like the character can we all agree Adam Driver is a great actor? There were parts in the film that really stood out to me, like when he was fighting Rey and stumbling all over the place and all his moments with General Hux, especially that part when he's chatting to Snoke about Rey being force sensitive and Hux walks in, his subtle reaction was brilliant.
>>64506397 He's despicable and pathetic. It's scary and worrisome when he's on screen because he's an irrational and unpredictable fool who will kill anyone.
I think Kylo's a fantastic character because he provides so much danger and tension when on screen. It was absolutely heroic and relieving the way Rey pacified him in the end. The dark side is dangerous and uncontrolled in this, it's great.
>>64505147 Sure he's supposed to be an amateur, but I didn't enjoy that direction they decided to go with. I generally don't enjoy want hung young angst like this.
I mean at least anakin had an excuse being a slave, his mother getting fucked up, having visions of his gf dying and sidious claiming he could help while the Jedi basically ignored his obvious issues. Kylo had parents who cared for him (only splitting after he turned) and a great teacher and fucked it up because CRAWLLING IN MY SKIN!!!
Fuck this I can't be bothered with this story and I really don't care about kylo, so why should I care if he stays with the sith, becomes good or dies? We the audience have no connection with him, no emotional bond with him and the one real avatar we had for some sort of bond with him got stabbed.
>>64508868 Poe cuts the tension because he is heroic and dedicated enough not to be intimidated by Ren during his interrogation. Characters do in fact interact and effect the mood based on their interactions in this movie, shocking I know.
So I've kept off /tv/ until I saw Star Wars yesterday.
Some scenes got me very excited. However, did anyone else find it
>Extremely frantically edited dialogue >Strange and poorly delivered lines from all the leads, especially Po and Finn in the beginning >Poor acting from Daisy, mostly spoken like a read through of a play >A great emphasis on practical props fucked up by the orange alien woman and the rolling Doom monster squids. >many rushed scenes to make room for some unneeded scenes >very poorly acted emotions from all actors, generally Fear, Sarcasm, Happiness >More death star run-in coincidences >theater lied about 2d showing times, had to see it in 3d or wait
Highlights >Lightsaber fight in the woods actually all light sabers >Han Solo's Death >BB8s puppeteering >puppets in general >Kylo Ren's emotions >Kylo Ren's light saber
>>64510133 I don't get anyone complaining about the acting. There was one particular line read from Finn and Rey on the falcon that was terrible, but aside from that the acting was actually much better than it was in the prequels. Adam Driver in particular was amazing.
>>64508969 Incorrect. In this movie he is the villain, the first order isnt a character and arguably neither is snoke in this movie. He is the bad guy with the most screen time and is there to foil the heroes in person. He is the villain
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