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So we're all in agreement that this is the worst lightsaber fight, right?

Okay, good. Just checking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvnwLLXHabg
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>>64499338
>Not posting Luke vs Vader
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It's just so lifeless and dry. Even Phantom Menace managed to be an exciting fight with just as much context.
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Yeah it pretty much is

I was excited as fuck when Yoda finally got into a saber battle when I saw it as a kid though
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obi wan vs vader was the fucking worst

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kpHK4YIwY4

dialogue was shit

battle was boring


obi wan let vader win

who the fuck thought this was a good idea?
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That's not TFA's video game powerup tier fight
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>>64499422
Not even talking about that. Just the first part with Obi-Wan vs Dooku is enough for this to be the worst. Love how all you need to do to kill Obi-Wan is graze his leg and arm slightly. To bad Maul and Grievous didn't think of that.
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>>64499450
No it's Episode II's video game powerup fight that also looks like a video game.
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Anakin just moving his arms open to a T pose so Dooku can chop it off is so fucking stupid and hilarious. God its so bad. Its really the highlight to me for how bad the prequels are. They just do it without figuring out how. Theres no parry, or counter parry, no forcing his defense to break or fainting, reposing, counter reposing in the fencing to get his arm to expose its self so he can cut it. Anakin just does it.

They really were like. "Man we need to cut off his arm so we can draw paralells to Luke. How do we do that? Fuck it just have him open his arms wide open Instead. I dont know how to fucking choreograph."

GOD DAMN! And people say the prequel lightsaber duels are better. Fucking hilarious.
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>>64499440

I classify it as a "confrontation" rather than a straight fight. It's nice seeing these two bantering and then Obi-Wan getting killed.
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>>64499489
true
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why does anakin stay completely still except for sticking his arm out for 2 whole seconds as he lets dooku slowly spin and take his time to lop off his arm?
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>>64499512
Better than TFA at least
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>>64499338

holy fuck I haven't seen this in years.

>dat terribly aged cgi
>dat lifeless poorly choreographed duel
>dat wasted Christopher Lee who is trying as best as he can while knowing he has no fucking clue what he's saying or doing
>dat Yoda choosing to save Obi-Wan and Anakin even though earlier they stopped Anakin from saving Padme because "they had to focus on the mission"
>dat Yoda not hurling the fucking pillar into Dooku's ship like a spear with the Force
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>>64499606
NO. You're a faggot and a troll. You are also not high test.
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Why does Yoda struggle to move that pillar that's about to crush Obi Wan and Anakin? I thought size matters not and moving a stone is no different from moving an X-wing
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christopher lee killed the vibe of the prequels. he was so out of place and not threatening or interesting at all. it was probably lucas' writings fault but still. should have cast someone that could play crazy better like gary oldman.
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>>64499338
Rewatching it the only faults I find is.
>too much twirling from everyone
>no music makes it seem awkward
>Dooku needs to show more aggressive body motion when using force lightning

Of course I'm not a swordfag who knows the proper way to wield a blade.
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>>64499651

he was referring to his bed abilities
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Are you joking? This fight was amazing. The whole "slowness" at the first part of the fight was to build up how strong dooku actually was.

only to make him a bitch in the next episode. but i guess that just showed how strong anakin became. and we got plenty of dooku action in the clone wars additions
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>>64499651

There's a whole wiki article about that pillar and how it's infused with dark side energy to make it harder to manipulate.
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>>64499649
>implying i'm not highest test

pic related, me and my gf
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>>64499670
>no music

This

Ep1: Duel of fates
Ep2: N/A
Ep3: Battle of heroes

A top score could have saved it
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>>64499666

Dooku wasn't crazy though.

Lee is a great actor but the character makes no sense and comes straight the fuck out of nowhere. His motivations and background aren't completely clear and are never fleshed out.

He was apparently Yoda's Padawan and Qui-Gon's master...but why did no one mention him in TPM? Why wasn't he at Qui-Gon's funeral?
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>>64499691
>that weak attempt at facial hair
hahahahaha
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>>64499691
Bitch aint high test. But she is kawaii.
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>>64499703

Across the Stars you triple nigger
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2nd worst.

1. Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader and The Emperor in Return of the Jedi
2. Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader in The Empire Strikes Back
3. Obi-wan Kenobi vs Darth Vader in A New Hope
4. Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Darth Vader in Revenge of the Sith
5. Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Darth Maul in The Phantom Menace
6. Finn and Rey vs Kylo Ren in The Force Awakens
7. Qui-Gon Jinn vs Darth Maul in The Phantom Menace
8. Yoda vs The Emperor in Revenge of the Sith
9. Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker vs Count Dooku in Revenge of the Sith
10. Mace Windu vs The Emperor and Anakin Skywalker in Revenge of the Sith
11. Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker and Yoda vs Count Dooku in Attack of the Clones
12. Obi-Wan Kenobi vs General Grievous in Revenge of the Sith
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>>64499703
what the fuck are you talking about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YzjuuflXZI
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>>64499713
>Lee is a great actor but the character makes no sense and comes straight the fuck out of nowhere. His motivations and background aren't completely clear and are never fleshed out.
This. They should've scrapped Maul and made Dooku the secondary villain from the start
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>>64499729
>>64499735
I was talking about lightsaber duel musics you quadruple niggers

Of course accross the stars is top tier, along with Love pledge & the arena
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>>64499729
>>64499735
He's clearly talking about duel music, not overall score
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obi wan vs vader in anh was desu

especially that suicide that made no sense
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>>64499762
>>64499756

Fair enough you quintuple niggers
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>>64499732
full idiotic mornonic trash plebian bottom tier retarded scum. Episode 2 was THE greatest installment of the series placing the fights MUCH MUCH higher than anything you fucking retard
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>>64499651
>size matters not

Shit man, so does that mean the EU and video game bullshit of using the force to pull a Star Destroyer from the atmosphere or say knocking over an AT-AT is believable in movie canon?
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>>64499744
>Thinking they knew what they were doing and didnt just make it up one movie at a time.

Fuck from what I understand they were making it up as they went week to week, day to day. They had almost no plan and were just throwing shit together.
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>>64499805
It should, honestly

The force is greatly underused in movies, from what it's made up to be

Which is why I love Genndy's clone wars with its totally over the top usages of the force by Dindu and Yoda
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>>64499440
>those horns

everytime
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>>64499713
all I really got is that he defected from the jedi council because he thought they were corrupt, teamed up with palpatine who he didn't realize was a sith? then palpatine had him issue the creation of the clones. palpatine couldn't do it himself apparently because that would leave a money trail or something. the movies don't explain WHY dooku did anything he did.
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>>64499338
what bothers me about this is everything that comes out of Yoda's mouth. The reverse/opposite way he talks is so exaggerated in the prequels. he didn't do it THAT much in the original trilogy. Seems like parody.
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>"eh it's not so bad. Kind of cool, Dooku wrecking shit"
>Yoda shows up
>mfw
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>>64499338
>tfw Sheev copied Yoda's spinning and screeching charge
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1. Imperial March
2. Duel of the Fates
999. Everything else

We're all in agreement here, right?
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>>64499895
He knew Palpatine was a Sith. Dooku had the Sith name of Darth Tyrannus.
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I still don't get Dooku. If he knew the Jedi were being mislead and he wasn't fully dedicated to the Sith, what was his objective in this entire franchise?
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>>64499946

Glad seeing someone else bring this up. Originally his manner of speeking is a somewhat believable "accent." In the prequels he's a fortune cookie.
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>>64499946

because Lucas wrote the prequels. He didn't write ESB and co-wrote ROTJ (which Yoda only briefly appeared in).

He probably didn't have the same grasp of the character as Kasdan.

Also,
>Lucas told Kasdan in a recorded meeting that everyone can use the Force but only a few people bother to train in it. "Like yoga."
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>>64499982

2 is the asteroid field
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>>64499946
Yoda's species is reverse-senile, they get less senile as they age
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>>64499685
source
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>>64499988
>Of course accross the stars is top tier, along with Love pledge & the arena
They needed a guy with a red lightsaber that Obi Wan and Anakin can fight. This is literally it
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>>64499988
honestly, he was written in at the last minute over Jar Jar Binks being the original sith

Lucas didn't have enough time to give a shit about his character
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>>64500041
>highlighting random parts of text as you're reading

Bad idea friend
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>>64500026

Asteroid Field pretty much is Imperial March
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I love the close-up shots where it looks like Anakin and Dooku are dancing with each other at a rave
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>>64499983
so he literally dies for palpatine to promote the sith ideals? why didn't he break and tell anakin and obi wan that palpatine was a sith. what was the allure of the darkside to him besides force lightning. he's even dumber than anakin.
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>>64499988

In the movies it's never clear, in the EU it's who give the fuck because fan fiction.

I know the "real" answer was Lucas made it up as he went along but he should have been in TPM, showing distrust in the Republic, left at the end with his pupil's death and returned in AOTC as a practitioner of the dark side hoping to use his power to cleanse the Republic of corruption.
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>>64500074
He wanted to cuck Sheev but got cucked before that
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>>64500077

God there are just some easy easy changes that would've made 1 and 2 great movies. What the FUCK was Lucas thinking
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>>64500077
>it's a random anon comes up with simple changes that would have greatly improved the prequels episode
It really wasn't that hard, George
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>>64499988
From what I could gather
>Dooku's problem: The Republic is corrupt and can't be fixed from within. Jedi Order might seem stagnant too him.
>Joins Sideous to jump start the CIS rebellion; his goals are to help establish an Empire which may seem more efficient to Dooku.
>secret goal is to overthrow Sideous and become the new Emperor of the Empire and Lord High of the Sith (evidence is Dooku revealing Sideous' plan to Obi Wan; hoping he'd join him as Dooku's apprentice)

So the tl'dr would be Dooku wants to build the Empire and then kill Sideous to become the new Emperor with Obi Wan at his side.
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>>64499889
>Yoda riding in on a horse
>Dindu karate punching robots left and right

What a fucking shitshow
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>>64499889

I like that it was underused, though. It makes mastery of the Force seem hard as fuck (as it should be)
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>>64500186
I like that too, but then they have masters in the prequels that don't do anything with it, like Sheev throws a good 5 senate pods at Yoda, even 2 at once but Yoda takes a good 10 seconds to send a single pod back
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post a better example of CGI, I DARE you.
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>>64500273
Prequel Yoda looks better than Max Janata or Smoke.

Grievous looks even better

For all that talk of old school practical effects, TFA had some real shitty cgi
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>>64500273
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>>64499338
The Obi Wan part is pretty bland. I guess it's because Dooku is supposed to be an expert duelist while Obi Wan is just really great defensively. So neither one does any crazy flashy shit.

I like the part where Anakin has two sabers. I thought his style was kind of interesting, even though spinning is kind of nonsense.
>spinning is a good trick
Oh right I forgot. The fucking pause before he loses his hand though...what the fuck were they thinking. It just looks so fucking bad. I hope if they remaster the films they cut several milliseconds off that part. He just fucking stands there.
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>>64500056
>Jar Jar

THIS. The only reason dooku was created was to replace jar jar due to the fans HATING HIM..

so technically, it was the FANS fault for ruining the prequels. nice goin guys
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>>64499512
ANAKIN

HIS ARMS WIDE
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>>64500273
Has there been a better looking plate of fruit in movies?
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>>64500332
and, while it's really nitpicky, obi wan throws his saber to anakin, who catches it with his left. he activates it, and is suddenly using it with his right.
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>>64500484

>'but your brain did'
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>>64499338
Not what the cheering crowd in the theater thought when I saw it on opening day.
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>>64499889
>Sipping tea at the end

Based Sheev
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>"Go in slowly on the left"

Even when I was younger this made absolutely no sense to me

What the fuck did George mean?
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>>64500484
When Obi-wan throws his saber to Anakin, Anakin and Dooku are standing right over Obi's body

Then it goes to a wide shot and Obi's body is NOWHERE TO BE SEEN
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>>64500592
Obi Wan is going to take the brunt of Dooku's attacks with his defensive fighting style while the less experienced Anakin takes the safer flank to find an opening.
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>>64499422
My dad and I laughed at that part no joke

It looked retarded and was out of character for Yoda
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>>64500484
Shit, I didn't even notice that. Another mark against this already awful scene.

I wish Dooku could have pulled off an awesome parry or something at least natural looking. Show off his expert dueling skills and also make the scene less shit. Preferably while Anakin was wielding two sabers. That way it could be seen as his recklessness and overconfidence being punished.

Like, who in their right mind decides to try out a style they have never used before against the dude that not only just electrocuted the fuck out of you, but then beat your master's ass in a 1v1? I feel like having Dooku expertly parrying two sabers at once and then chopping off Anakin's hand would have played that up better. More so then him disarming him, having a fairly even exchange and then cutting off Anakin's hand while he pretends to be a fucking tree.
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>>64499440
It was barely a fight, they kinda just tap sabers a bit then Obi Wan takes a dive

It had so much more going on emotionally or whatever though. The saber fight in Attack of the Clones was bad choreography and just boring as far as giving a shit about the characters
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>>64499512
This

If you watch the fight in Empire where luke gets his hand cut off its pretty bad ass how vader breaks his guard
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>>64499691
Only porn star asians are high test,

Other than that they're literally women for the most beta of beta males
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>>64499732
The grievous fight was absolutely trash
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>>64500619
yeah, that too.
>>64500704
Honestly, there is one good thing that came out of the Dooku fight: how not to do a fight scene. It's so densely packed with continuity errors and CGI flaws, you could pick it apart for an hour and still not be done.
This is about the sixth time I've watched that fight from threads here, and it still baffles me that a fight scene like that can be so boring.
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Jesus Christ, Episode 2 was so horridly made. I felt like the phantom menace was better in many ways.
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Star Wars isn't the only series guilty of this, but why are so many sword fights choreographed to have spinning? Why would someone turn his back to his opponent just to spin?
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>>64501037
The entire movie should have been a buddy-cop adventure with Obi and Anakin like the first 10 minutes were

Padme pretends to go into hiding, but secretly stows away with Obi and Anakin to help them track down her assassin

So all 3 of them go to Kamino, encounter Jango, and end up at Geonosis. Anakin and Padme fall in love because they're facing several life-threatening situations together instead of rolling in the grass and having nice dinners

The other sub-plot would involve the Jedi Council and Masters (who ultimately did nothing except show up at the end to be slaughtered) trying to track the movements of Dooku. It culminates with them at Geonosis just like the movie, but they realize that while Dooku is the leader of the separatists, he is not the General of the Droid Army.

Grievous debuts during the battle of Geonosis, cuasing most of the jedi casualties instead of having them gunned down by battle droids.

Dooku escapes from Obi/Anakin/Yoda and Mace Windu crushes Grievous' chest while escaping, causing his cough in Episode III
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>>64499338
>lightsaber fight

VI > V > VII > IV > I > III > II
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>>64501264
It's III>I>II
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>>64501446
would agree with you if 3 wasn't so over the top, it's just retarded how they jump all over the place.

hated it.
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>>64501012
I don't understand how they got so much worse in the second movie. The final fight in The Phantom Menace was really good in my opinion. The Obi Wan flip at the end kind of suffers from the same thing as the Dooku fight though. Why does Maul just watch him flip 20ft into the air? But overall it was so much better than 2.

I'm not so sure about them really learning their lesson either. The part of the Anakin vs Obi Wan fight in 3 that everyone loves to gif is pretty bad. I like the explanation that it's them looking for a flaw in the other's defense, since their styles counter each other so well. But I don't buy that the creators intended that when making it. I think they just genuinely didn't notice how dumb two people spinning their weapons for no reason looked.
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Yeah the final fight was shit but II still had the funnest and most creative action scenes

>the based Obi Won vs. Fett fight
>Padme and Anakin moving through the droid factory
>Padme/Anakin/Obi Wan fighting the exotic beasts in the coliseum
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>>64499338
The Anakin and Kenobi vs Dooku part is fine. Kenobi tossing Anakin his lightsaber was dumb.

The Yoda part isn't good.
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>>64501872
This is actually a pretty good point. I like the very brief Windu vs Fett. I genuinely liked the terribly blunt bit where his jetpack gets fucked up by the alien rhino. I always see people complain that he died like a bitch, but it's pretty clear that he wouldn't have died so easily if he didn't get bowled over by a one tonne rhino.

That said, it probably would have been better if he leapt/jet packed away from Mace Windu's initial rush, firing a volley at him as he goes. THEN he lands in the path of alien rhino before getting decapitated.

I enjoyed the bit regardless. The ones you mentioned were also fun, as you said.
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pretty sure i've read somewhere that some asian swordfighters did the choreography for episode 1, but not the other 2
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>>64499338
Old ben vs Vader takes that reward followed closely by everything in VII
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>>64499338
>you go in slowly on the left
what did he mean by this?
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>>64499338
Absolutely unmemorable fight.
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>>64499946
Yoda literally gives up the crazy antic after he reveals he's yoda. He only spoke that way to conceal his identity to Luke.
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>>64499338
such a great actor, forced to work with a shitty actor in a shitty movie. at least now he met peace from this evil
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>>64502261
Really? I haven't seen ESB in a while but I remember Yoda using it again in ROTJ.

"Your Father, he is."
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>>64499467
>Dooku beats Obi-Wan clean, has no reason not to kill him
>Story demands that Obi-Wan doesn't die
>Just grazes his leg and pushes him away

kek
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>>64499440
I don't understand obi wans reasoning. Did he have a deathwish?
>I could keep fighting and A. Go down swinging or B. Win
>nah, I'll just let him kill me
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>>64499338
this makes vii look like fanfic trash
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What move did Yoda do when he started the lightsaber battle with Dooku? It sounds like Sheev's Sith scream. Is there a Jedi scream?
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Wait a second, dooku was a fucking old man who wasn't even a sith. Why could obi wan not fight like him in the OT if age doesn't seem to slow dooku down?
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>>64499512
Vader didn't have his real arm in the originals either. That parallel was thought up right there with Empire Strikes Back, not some new thing the prequels decided to do.
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>>64500458
It always really bothered me that they were apparently eating pears with a knife and fork.
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>>64499338
It's not just the choreography, it's the also the terrible lighting, camera angles and editing
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>>64500453
Darth Vader, when his son fell.
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>Dooku, instead of taking this opportunity he created by knocking over the thing to kill Yoda who has dropped his lightsaber and thereby kill both Anakin and Obi-Wan, just fucks off into his ship

These movies were written by a child.
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>>64499988
According to the novel which Lucas went through line by line, its to establish a human empire, strip all the aliens of wealth by scapegoating them for the clone wars and replace the Jedi Order with the Sith Army with Vader at its head and Dooku/Sidious giving orders from the shadows.
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>>64502324
This might be the laziest thing George ever did. It's obvious that he needed Obi-Wan out of the fight so he could have Anakin get maimed but why not have him just get knocked out or not be there at all if that's the case?
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>>64499703
Across the stars is probably the best piece out of all of them.

It's not really a duelling song though, or could be but it would have to be for a real emotional grind of a fight. It's definitely not an "action" piece
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>>64499440
1: To inspire Luke
2: To become one with the Force
3: To instill more doubt in Vader and help bring his old pupil back to the light
4: To buy time for Luke and co because Vader would have raped them all
5: Ultimately, though, he was trusting in the Force. He knew Luke was safe at that point, and his fight was over. He could be at peace and be with the Force.
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>>64499732
Mauls fight should be number 3
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>>64499691
>ywn marry a qt jap/korean and have a supreme gentleman
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>>64499732

1. Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader and The Emperor in Return of the Jedi
2. Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader in The Empire Strikes Back
3. Finn and Rey vs Kylo Ren in The Force Awakens
4. Obi-wan Kenobi vs Darth Vader in A New Hope
5. Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Darth Maul in The Phantom Menace
6. Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Darth Vader in Revenge of the Sith (first half)

The rest is shit.
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>>64500313
The weird things is that the CGI face of Portions man was pretty damn good but Maz and Snoke looked fake as shit.
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>>64502442
I hate you fucking redditors. I really do. I thought I had made a good point for discussion and not a single (you) 15 minutes later. Fuck yourselves.
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>>64499732
I like how you autistically wrote all names and titles without any abbreviations
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>>64499450

How does three inexperienced and overemotional young adults making mistakes and angrily bashing each other look like a video game powerup fight? There were no overly choreographed backflips and barely any saber spins either - kylo only does them at the start when he's trying to show off, and then when finn gets a hit in he stops playing around and gets serious
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>>64502744
(you)'s lead to upvotes, upvotes lead to redditors, redditors lead to suffering
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>>64499732
>3 OT fights at the top
people like you disgust me
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>>64499691
>wmaf
>with my asian friend
noice
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>>64502744
>I thought I had made a good point for discussion

You didn't because the answer is obvious, lucas simply does not give a fuck and to analyse the narrative at that level of detail will only ever find ways that the PT shat on the world established in the OT
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>>64503032

It's well known fact among patricians that lightsaber fights are not about the fighting but the emotions behind the fighting

Only plebs are entertained by the meaningless perfectly choreographed gymnastics performances in the prequels
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>>64503095
>muh emotions
The Anakin vs Obi wan fight had emotions as well though

>inb4 shit dialogue
Star Wars always had shit dialogue, even the original trilogy
>your powers are weak old man
>only the master of evil
who writes this shit?
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>>64503095
>perfectly choreographed gymnastics
They're not perfectly choreographed. They're fast and that's supposed to create an illusion of good choreography but there are more attacks aimed at the opponent's sword than at the opponent himself.

Plus there's stupid shit like Anakin doing the T position to let Dooku cut off his arm
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>>64502742
Good point, the portions guy never stood out as bad to me.

Smoke and Janata's appearences were both only finalised in October 2015 so I guess they only had like a month to render the CGI, but that's no excuse. We can't give them a break for not being able to make their mind up on what a character looks like until late in production since we don't give Lucas' script a break for not being finalised until late into production
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>>64503121
>The Anakin vs Obi wan fight had emotions as well though

The fighting overstayed the weight of the emotions and the way they fought did a shitty job of reflecting their emotional states

It's not enough for there to just be a motivation, they have to convey that emotion through how they fight
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>>64499732
Why is it always two jedi vs 1 Sith? Was Palpatine that honorable as to stay out of fights to keep them fair?
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>>64503210
Yes. Palps is a softy.
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>>64503210
It's implied, at least until Ep. III, that Palpatine is so powerful he doesn't need to get his hands dirty.
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>>64499338
Dooku wasn't really that bad of a guy
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>>64499440
Fuck, why is the choreography in this SO MUCH FUCKING BETTER than in the prequels? It actually looks like they are dueling.
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>>64499732
The fuck, you actually got it EXACTLY RIGHT.

Was not expecting this. 10/10
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>>64499338

It's better than any of the fights from the original trilogy. Every single one of them looks like two geriatric cripples desperately trying not to throw out a hip while swinging glow sticks at each other.
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>>64502261
His peculiar way of sometimes (but not always) getting his phrases the wrong way around isn't part of his cur-ray-zee personality, it's just how he speaks.

Also I think it wasn't all an act, he was kind of goofy. Lucas was just using classic tropes from eastern cinema/storytelling. Kooky old masters is an absolute staple.
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>>64502478
Dooku is pretty old and likely was running out of breath.
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>>64503429
They are giant laser swords that can instantly kill on contact. Any fighting style should be even MORE cautious than real world fencing styles with swords that size. The OT sells that perfectly and makes lightsabres seem powerful, they are just toys in the prequels.
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>>64499988
Having Christopher Lee in the movies.
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>>64503429
M80, the fight OP posted isn't even better than the duel at the end of Hot Shots Part Duex much less a fight in any other Star Wars movie.
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>>64502763
It's what I do.
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Fuck no, ANH has the worst duel

Seeing Obi & Anakin get recked in 5 seconds was awesome
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>>64499338
I swear it's like this movie was made by an alien. Everything feels so fucking off.
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>>64503539
You have to be over 18 to post on this site.
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>>64502478
Dooku didn't want to kill his old Jedi friends, that was a precise point of the movies
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>>64503469
>too old to lazily swish a distracted midget across the throat with his cut through anything laser death stick or even poke him in the head and lobotomize him
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>>64503556
Was George going through another massive depression when this came out? It honestly just seems like he didn't care even though he would never admit that.
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>>64503572
Bullshit. He was about to kill Obi-Wan when Anakin did that shitty CG dive and saved him.
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>>64500835
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-DeI3ohVbY
>that disarmament at 1:25

probably my favorite part of any duel desu
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>>64503675
What a fucking boss.
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>>64499338
>when youre the last 2 against 15-1 kdr gregor
>and the other faggot just dives right in
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>>64503579

TOO OLD

I'm just making shit excuses to see where this will lead to.
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>>64499732
1. Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader and The Emperor in Return of the Jedi
2. Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Darth Maul in The Phantom Menace
3. Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader in The Empire Strikes Back
3. Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Darth Vader in Revenge of the Sith
4. Obi-wan Kenobi vs Darth Vader in A New Hope
5. Finn and Rey vs Kylo Ren in The Force Awakens
6. Mace Windu vs The Emperor and Anakin Skywalker in Revenge of the Sith
7. Qui-Gon Jinn vs Darth Maul in The Phantom Menace
8. Yoda vs The Emperor in Revenge of the Sith
9. Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker and Yoda vs Count Dooku in Attack of the Clones
10. Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker vs Count Dooku in Revenge of the Sith
11. Obi-Wan Kenobi vs General Grievous in Revenge of the Sith

fixed
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>>64503950
At least we agree on first and last.... also, you have 3 twice. Is that a tie or a typo?
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It feels like all modern swordfight choreography is just repeating 2 things: spin2win and the hackneyed sword lock thing where they just kind of push on each other

The OT fights might have been a little slower but they were clearly more careful with feinting and striking
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>>64504060
typo m8
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>>64500544
The Yoda spinning bit is still the best part of the scene for me.
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>>64501674
It probably helps that Ray Park is a legit martial artist, whereas Christopher Lee was... old.
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>expecting con/tv/rarians to agree on anything
>especially expecting them to agree that the prequels are "bad" when it's the current hugbox groupthink fashion to shit on TFA and try and force the narrative that the prequels were actually decent
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Official ranking

1. Luke v Vader, ESB
2. Luke v Vader, ROTJ
3. Finn/Rey v Kylo Ren, TFA
4. Duel of the Fates, TPM
5. Ben v Vader, ANH
6. Qui Gon v Darth Maul (Tatooine), TPM
7. Windu v Emperor/Anakin, ROTS
8. The rest are garbage
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Why does everyone hates OP scene again? I mean it's flashy and unrealistic but it's a lot more entertaining than the fencing tier fights we got before like obi wan and Vader.
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>>64504067
Fencing is boring to watch, yuro.
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>>64504617
I think it's the shit pacing, mainly.
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It's the same case as prequels vs EP VII

Yes, the fight is crap. The choreography isn't so good and there's bad decisions.

But in those 5 minutes we see:

>force lightning established as a dark side force power, not just some magic of the emperor
>motherfucking dual wielding lightsabers and don't you fucking tell me that is nothing or I will duel you in jedi academy right now
>yoda showing why he's an ultimate badass
>yoda showing that he's not just some old sage

All in all, the fight isn't so great if you sit down and analyze it - but first of all, as a kid, you'll have your mouth wide open through it all and second of all it establishes tons of cool things for the universe itself.
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>Oh boy, I'm gonna look cool by claiming Luke vs Vader in Empire was the best and if someone says Qui-Gonn and Obi-Wan vs Maul was better I'll talk about emotional involvement and cinematography!

Fuck you, we both found the fight with Darth Maul more entertaining.

And also the fight in Return of the Jedi was absolute shit, if you'll recall it was like 30 seconds of actual dueling and then Luke jumps up, they talk and Luke literally turns to the dark side, starts flailing like a madman, Vader steps back and Luke literally bashes him to the ground.


I dislike TFA heavily and the fight was shit, but I will say this:

1. TPM, duel of the fates
2. Empire
3. TFA last fight
4. Obi-Wan vs Anakin in Ep III
5. Clone Wars, the one in OP
6. Return of the Jedi, last one
7. Sheev vs the Jedi and Windu
8. Obi-Wan vs Vader in ANH

Something like that.
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>>64499338
The problem with this fight is that nothing else really happened during episode 2. They just threw in a lightsaber battle with Dooku where all the combatants survive because they had filled the rest of the story with politics and a shitty love plot. I guess they were also trying to mirror the first battle with Vader in ep5 for pottery, but it wasn't as effective because Dooku's character was only just introduced and he wasn't as familiar as Vader.
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>>64505050
You have to be over 18 to post on this board.
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>>64499732
good list anon, but
>3. Obi-wan Kenobi vs Darth Vader in A New Hope
should be much lower and
>9. Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker vs Count Dooku in Revenge of the Sith

should be higher
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If Anakin got to keep dual-wielding just a little longer, the fight might have been cool.
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>>64506822
The terrible CGI balcony-falling-on-Kenobi-and-shifting-him-slightly part ruins that fight for me.
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>>64506932
its not bad, plus the ending with Sheev encouraging Anakin to kill Dooku is one of the few bits about Anakin's fall done right
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Sorry I didn't buy into the fact that she spent 90% of the fight running away like a 'girl' and then won the fight? This was so poor. The fact they had the Raid team in there too and couldnt make any lavish fights was pathetic. MAn I hope Doinnie yen is doing some awesome kung-fu stuff in Rogue One and actually rivals Darthmaul because I was let down by TFA fights.
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>>64504834
Everything you just listed was a con.
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>>64507474
If TFA is any precedent Donnie Yen will just get chased by CGI monsters.
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The closeups on Anakin and Christopher Lee's faces as they twirled sabers always got me.
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>>64499889
*sip*
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>>64499440
Not to break the canon circlejerking, but the real reason this fight sucked and was so short is that the prop lightsabers kept breaking, preventing them from swinging them hard or too swiftly.
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>>64499338
No, it's one of my favourites
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>>64505945
Only under 20 year olds prefer OT meme fights
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>>64503195
>they have to convey that emotion through how they fight
You don't understand the art of lightsaber combat

>>64503095
Only dense plebs who are too slow to follow anything are attracted to simplified, slow meme emotional fighting
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>>64499691
>reverse image search brings up 10 pages of results
>pic is clearly stolen from the internet
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>>64509920
Reason also being David Prowse could hardly move well with Vader's suit and Guinness was old as hell.

Whatever it was, it was more a symbolic fight than anything and I'm fine with that. We got a proper lightsaber fight later on so why complain.
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>>64510641
man that looks fucking bad
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>>64510701
for you
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>>64502370
Is that shooped?
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>>64499440
10/10 bait
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>>64499440
This is actually much better than I remember it being.
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>>64510641
imo we haven't gotten a truly great lightsaber fight yet.

they really need to strike a proper balance between the more grounded OT fights and the more elaborate, over-the-top PT duels

the ones in TFA were probably the best so far but i wasn't entirely impressed by either of those either

they should really get some hong kong action director to do one, it'd probably be neat
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>George Lucas's screenwriting may not have convinced me of Anakin and Padme's love, but John William's score certainly did.
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>>64511287
It's not about the fight itself you moron, it's about the meaning of the fight.

Fucking hell you michael bay crowd are insufferable.
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>>64511957
>It's not about the fight itself you moron, it's about the meaning of the fight.

Thanks for throwing 90% of all martial arts movies in the trash
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If two lightsabers are better than one then why doesn't every jedi have two?
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>>64499440
I forgot Obi Wan spins in this fight
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>>64512041
We're talking about lightsaber duels in Star Wars films you autistic spaz.
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>>64512096
>two lightsabers are better than one
>anakin dual-wields and gets fucked instantly

Apparently not
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It's shit because there's no music, and I don't even mean a unique song, just some generic background music. Also, I feel like Lucas maybe should have sped the footage up after they shot it, Dooku and Obi Wan fight each other so slowly that it feels very lame
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>>64507474
She won because

1. Kylo Ren was bleeding out
2. The good part in him was so horrified by what he had just done minutes earlier that his Force powers weakened instead of skyrocketing like he thought they would
3. He had not finished training
4. She tapped into The Dark Side
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>>64510701
It looks a lot better with dialogue and music and having watched the rest of the movie that came before.
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>>64512273
yeah the music is good but that last bit where vader slips and luke smashes his lightsaber on to vaders lightsaber is pretty bad
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>>64510641
That webm really puts into perspective how much better the music made it
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>>64512299
>Luke saves the galaxy because the floor was wet and Vader slipped

Bravo Kasdan
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>>64512236
The dude couldn't even levitate a lightsaber into his hand. He was basically just a normal person for that fight.

I get the feeling people just don't understand just how wildly someone connection to the force can fluctuate, it's not like a muscle you flex, it's an entirely mental attribute. Which probably means it's not conveyed really well but still.
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Great tier

1. Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader in Empire
2. Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi
3. Finn and Rey vs Kylo Ren in The Force Awakens
Good tier
4. Obi-wan Kenobi vs Darth Vader in A New Hope
5. Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Darth Maul in The Phantom Menace
6. Anakin vs Count Dooku in Revenge of the Sith
7. Anakin vs Obi Wan in Revenge of the Sith
8. Mace Dindu vs Sheev in Revenge of the Sith

Now for the bad part
9. Qui Gon vs Maul (does anyone even remember that part?)
10. Sheev vs Yoda (the throwing shit at each other part is pretty neat but why did it have to be a lightsaber fight?)
11.Obi Wan vs Grievous (what is going on I can't even)
12. Yoda vs Dooku
13. Dooku vs Obi Wan and Anakin (revenge of the sith)
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>>64512457
I meant attack of the clones with the last one
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>>64510641

It seems like the actors are using heavier sticks in the older films. On the one hand, it doesn't make sense and it makes them look clumsy and slow, but on the other, it gives every single swing a sense of power. The PT fights were just like watching a lightshow, but the OT fights actually felt like any minute someone could get killed. Also, the way Luke and Vader tear through all the scenery around them makes the fight look dangerous. I really liked how in the new film, they fought in the forest and chopped a bunch of trees down every time they swung. The sound and weight of Ren's lightsaber made it seem scary, even though Ren himself was a bit impotent.
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>>64512319
And the dialogue
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PT fights > OT fights > TFA fights

To be desu honest with you lads.
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>>64512236
>1. Kylo Ren was bleeding out
I love that Chewie's response to Han being killed was to unhesitatingly shoot an explosive round into Kylo Ren's kidney. That was glorious.
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>>64512536
this

although Disney meme trilogy fights have potential to improve in next episode because of different director
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>>64512536
Exact opposite sempai
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>>64512536

If it wasn't for Rey stomping Kylo out of nowhere and removing any sense of tension for the rest of the trilogy, the Force Awakens' fights would be top tier. I'm hoping that ep VIII and IX will have the best fights of all.
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>>64512163
>Star Wars has never taken inspiration from East Asian cinema
You are fucking dumb.
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>>64512617
I hope the ST trilogy overall has the right balance between grounded OT fights and crazier stuff.

The special effects in TFA were already better than the PT, even accounting for the difference in production times (shit since the special effects were better in the OT than in the PT, that shouldn't even really matter much).
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It was the worst before TFA came out, not it's the second worst.
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>>64512692
Nobody is taking about movies not called star wars in this thread other than you, you dense motherfucker!

Fuck.
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>Obi-Wan gives Anakin his saber
>Anakin now fighting with two sabers implying it gives him some sort of edge in the fight
Why not let him have two sabers all the time if thats the case?
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>>64512794
Actually I was talking about SW by noting that it'd be cool as fuck if they got a Hong Kong or Chinese martial arts/action movie director to direct a fight scene or two in a SW movie.

It'd be an improvement over the usual fight scenes, let's be honest.
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>>64500592
>"Go in slowly on the left"
George was equating Anakin's style of fighting to Stalinism, while Obi-Wan (or Lenin) wanted Anakin (or Stalin) to go in slowly on the left, he went for leftist straight away, thus creating chaos, George is saying that in order to achieve a communist utopia, time and effort must be put into defeating capitalism, rather than brute force.
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>>64501220
i would watch it
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>>64500458
>not even a fucking plate of fruits is real
wow
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>>64502442
obviously dooku aged better? just like christopher lee aged better than most people did?
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>>64504311
Lee didn't do these fights, he had a double and his face was CGI'd in.
He stated in multiple interviews he couldn't move his legs fast enough.
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>>64499440
the quick fencing maneuvers they do in that shot where we see them through the doors at the end is more exciting than any prequel fight, objectively
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>>64513333
checked
Also it's so fucking weird that they CGI the fruit into the picture, whats the purpose? It costs more money and man hours to CGI those in there than it would cost to buy or lease a small plate and go to a grocery store to pick up some fruit.
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>trivializing force lightning AND yoda just to sell toys

george lucas should be hung
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>>64513901
with all the money he makes from selling toys he probably can buy enough penis pumps to make himself hung, don't worry buddy.
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>>64513967
>looks miserable in every picture and has to change a kids diaper at 70

he'll kill himself soon
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>>64513901
*tips fedora*
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>>64499338

Yes

The same fight in episode three was a lot better, if only because you can see how Dooku is forced to adapt after he realizes Anakin isn't as terrible and retarded as he once was.

Dooku is a great character, shame the movies does so little to flush him out. Quality George Lucas characterization
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>>64514040
>Dooku is a great character
>Dooku is a character
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>>64514069

He is. It's just that Lucas failed to develop him just like he failed to develop any of the prequel characters.
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>>64511002
no.
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>>64499440

Nothing is happening.

These are supposed to be powerful jedis. Not limited by their handicaps because they can call on the force to augment themselves. Fuck the originals desu
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>>64499440

May be hard to believe but this scene is all about the duel.
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>>64507474

She spent most of her fight at least holding her own against Kylo. She may have been getting pushed back but Kylo couldn't touch her at all.

They established in the beginning of the movie that she has at least some familiarity with melee weapons. Notice she was holding the sword like she would a staff until she let the Force in and went Beast Mode.

I agree about Donnie Yen. I hope they bring him in for the rest of the trilogy too. Baron vs The Widow in Badlands was a better fight than literally any of the prequel lightsaber duels.
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Yea it's either that or Palaptine vs Windu. I think it's probably the latter desu. Dooku at least had a new style about him.

Well he didn't but he fought in a way that would later be Vaders style and that's cool choreography nod. There was nothing there with the Windu and Palps fight but silliness and McDiarmuid looks shit scared the whole time he was awful the weakest of a great performance.
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>there are people who expected a girl to lose a fight in a fucking Disney movie

are you serious?

Rey will continue to defy "female cliches"
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>>64514353
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>>64514218
>>64514253
>>64514286
>>64514353
>>64514396

What a goofy pile of shit

I know grown adults who like this show
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>>64514437
The show is pretty fucking good, some of the best star wars material ever. You probably didn't even finish season 1.
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>>64510641
>Luke just aimlessly waving his shit around
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>>64514487

What do you like about it? And by best Star Wars material ever, do you mean out of the film canon, or do you mean out of all the EU stuff?
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>>64514558
canon stuff, and even legends to a degree. Because it fleshes out all the characters much more, gives clones and other Jedi much more backstory. Explaining more about order 66 and why clones did it for example, and makes the universe richer. It's worth a watch, especially after season 1. And of course we also get several pretty nice battles.
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>>64514633

The space battles look nicer than the lightsaber ones, at least. I only saw a few isolated episodes. The stuff I saw, including the Darth Maul resurrection, just irritated me though.
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>>64499338
>wah wah i huv scratch on muh leg an armuh
Obi-wan came off like a wimp.

Then he almost gets his leg torn off in ROTS.
>just a bruise
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>>64512586
Chewie shooting Ren, gunning down a bunch of Stormtroopers and then detonating all the charges was easily the greatest Chewie moment in the entire saga.
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>>64499338
>that noise Anakin makes when he gets lighning'd
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VB_vjVxcic
It's probably the best fight in the whole saga along with Luke/Vader in ESB
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>>64499338
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>>64514495
He was pissed off
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>>64514633
ok, but you can't deny the animation is awful and makes all the lightsaber fights look really stiff and weird

I saw a webm of Sheev with 2 lightsabers and while the ideas were cool, the animation really dragged it down. There's really no defending it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xP3fI7yn5s

best fight right here t.b.h.
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>>64499440
>Darth!
>Darth!

It was really obvious that it was just his name there. Man, so much retcon after SW.
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>>64515633
What a shitshow
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>>64514253

This is unbelievably shit
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>>64515804
>Sheev with 2 lightsabers
>cool

Fuck you
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>>64514437

the yellow Maul is literally called Savage Oppress
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>>64515855

The dialogue at the start is even worse than I remembered
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>>64516075
If Sheev has just one lightsaber explain how Mace Windu knocked one out the window but he still had one later to fight Yoda

Checkmated, cuck.
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>>64512586
Even better since he would've basically been with Kylo his entire childhood, like some weird combination of an uncle mixed with the family dog. But he still shot him immediately.
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>>64516075
Sheev kept it tasteful, he really rocked those lightsabers f͏͏a͏͏m

it's just the animation department that was slacking. Same with every webm I've seen of the show. They should just re-do the whole series with SWTOR-trailer tier CGI.

Maybe even have ewan and hayden and whoever else redub the voices for consistency
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If Obi Wan gives Anakin an extra lightsaber so that he has an advantage, and lightsabers are apparently a dime a dozen such that they just have extras laying around to toss to Anakin and Obi Wan in the arena, why doesn't every Jedi just have two lightsabers?
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>>64515633
I actually might agree.

>>64516039
Fuck you
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>>64514495
He was throwing a tantrum be cause hid daddy don't love him.
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>>64499670
Didn't the duel In Empire make minimal use of music as well? Still pretty powerful though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-DeI3ohVbY
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>>64517333
this show would be so cool if any effort was put into the animation. looks like a shitty video game cut scene from 10 years ago.

make a fucking effort ffs.
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>>64499946
What, don't you remember classic Yoda lines like

>Another, there is
>By my size, judge me, you will?
>My ally, the force is

When Yoda said things in reverse order [which was infrequent and not every goddamn line] they at least had some grammatical sense.
>When 800 years old you reach, look as good you will not

THAT MAKES SENSE AT LEAST
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>>64499691
Lmao fucking loser, this isn't you. I know this guy.
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>>64499732
The return of the jedi fight is NOT better than the empire one
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>>64499338
I love when BASED C Lee says "Master Kenobi, you disappoint me! Yoda holds you in such high esteem. Sure you can do better!"
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>>64500273
my eyes are bleeding
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>>64503359

Yea dude, slowly tapping each other's swords with slow-motion pirouettes is totes the height of sword coreography.

LOL
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>>64499338
Jesus christ, were the prequels this bad really? Been awhile since I've seen them. I only mostly remember Epi. III.

>>64517627
Christopher Lee is fucking based. It's a shame that they wasted that kind of talent. You literally got one of the greatest actors of all time who specializes in villainous roles and absolutely squandered that potential. Lee was more memorable in Kingdom Hearts 2 somehow and I don't even like that game.
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>>64502370
this should be a 4chan banner
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>>64516592
The Knights of Ren?
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>>64514437
>I KNOW GROWN ADULTS WHO LIKE THIS CHILDREN'S SHOW I MEAN COME ON IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR!

Get over it, fedorasnob.
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>>64518047
fedoras and children are the primary target audience of tcw
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>>64517976
Nope

random anonymous Sith from a different time period
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>>64512133
well it is a good trick
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>>64512378
He used to force to fling Rey 20 ft into the air and into a tree. Guy was not debilitated at all.
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