Alright guys, my mind just got fucking blown, hear me out.
Listen to the music in this scene, it's the scene where Sheev tells Anakin about Darth Plageuis.
Ok, now listen to this track from The Force Awakens OST, the track is called "Snoke".
SNOKE FUCKING CONFIRMED, Y'ALL NIGGAS READY?
He won't be Plageuis yet he will, everyone has already seen how obvious it is that he is him but they will probably pull a twist on us. My theory is he's both Sheev and Plageuis.
After being thrown down the shaft by Vader, Sheev mind jumped using the force into his Sith artifact chamber where he kept his old master's body as trophy. Taking on the name Snoke he decided to go into hiding, made the first order and created a believable backstory for himself.
Lol no, much too complicated. Remember that the general public is retarded so it has to be simple.
Also, it's unlikely they'll use many plot points from the previous movies as to keep it even more simple
please disney I need this
>a story for another time
They'll pull this shit, believe me.
I did read somewhere that every director comes to pitch in with the new movie. So jewjew is going to help rian. JJ and Rian are going to help the next guy. Just so that the story is somewhat consequent.
Whoever he is, he'll get rekt by our savior Mary Sue
After Luke dies at his hand of course
How can it not be Plageuis? I mean, how empty and stupid it would feel if Snoke was this guy that's been standing on the sideline all the time and just decided to become an evil sith lord?
It's gotta be Plageuis, if it's not then fuck the writers desu senpai
They would have a hard time explaining it that's for sure.
Basically Sheev and Vader were the last of the Sith. Sheev dies and so does Vader so you think that would end the Sith.
Then we have Snoke out of the blue who trains Kylo in the ways of the dark side after he abandons Lukes teachings.
They really need to explain how we have the Sith back.
Inb4 it's some bullshit that Sheev was training another apprentice in secret and that was Snoke.
True, but they should go for Plageuis being Snoke.
>Darth Plageuis The Wise
>Kylo Ren calls the supreme leader "wise"
I bet this is going to be one of those moments we look back on where we go: this was a hint
Also, the novelization mentions that Snoke is someone who has seen the rise and fall of the Empire. So he was around while Sheev was around. Now, we got this whole music thing OP is talking about. The pieces are starting to fit.
Idk if he survived or not, but Sheev was pretty disturbed afterwards, and he thought it was Plagueis sending him messages from beyond or whatever. That, along with the Jedi ghost crap, would suggest that there's more to it than we know. Leaves enough room for shit like mind jumping, although I agree that would be dumb. Would be cooler to have him die and somehow come back, just as himself.
This was after meticulously planning the most diabolical way and rubbing it in his face afterwards, so I'd say it wasn't regret.
Pretty hard to get tweeeeeests in these movies. Everyone is expecting one since the tweest in the empire strikes back. It will be overanalyzed before the movie even hits theatres, after which you can narrow something down to two possible options. Much like how we knew how Kylo Ren was Han's son before the movie released.
It's just a name anyway. Maz says something like that in TFA.
If they are calling themselves Sith or the Intergalactic Rapetrain when they're wrecking the galaxy, what they call themselves doesn't really matter.
He's right you know...
>made this in 2 minutes
It's just choirs. Doesn't mean shit. The library is called "Voices of the Apocalypse" by EWQL.
ALRIGHT GUYS LET MET EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW PLAGEUIS SURVIVED SHEEV
So according to Sheev, he "killed him in his sleep." We see a lightsaber scar though his head, implying Sheev cut though his head and killed him. However, Plageuis could not die. Literally he had gained 1,000 years of Sith knowledge that he could not die himself. For decades, his body laid there, as midi-chlorians to him to regenerate his body. In the mean time, he called out to the product of his creation, Ben Solo. He began to warp and twist his mind.
Plageuis abandons his name and adopts Snoke, because the Sith religion had failed miserably, as shown by his apprentice Sheev betraying him.
And that's why we don't see Snoke outside of holograms. BECAUSE HE'S STILL REGENERATING HIS BODY!
i imagine abrams is gonna completely disconnect his films from the previous ones.
because with TFA hes basically made it completely unlike any other star wars. its now just a high budget action flick with star wars as a mask.
dont expect any easter eggs or twists. its going to be 2 dimensional predictable rubbish from here on out.
also plageuis got killed in his sleep. i doubt he can come back from that
He did. When he tells the story of Darth Plageuis The Wise he mentions that Plageuis' apprentice killed him in his sleep. Of course he doesn't reveal to anakin he was talking about himself.
>TFA hes basically made it completely unlike any other star wars.
It felt more like Star Wars than either Empire or Jedi. JJ is a patrician who understands that A New Hope is the only great film in the series.
>prequels didn't ruin the franchise with its awful CGI, stilted, robotic acting and nonsensical story
>but TFA, with its complex characters, actual sets, and decent story (even if it's a bit similar to ANH) killed it!
Snoke is an engineer, you can hear his chant at 25 seconds in.
He's an ancient evil that has awoken and has been behind ALL space movie evils. The marvel and DC gang, Fox, Disney gangs etc. will all fight him at the end of episode 9 in SPACE like the big group shot in Avengers, it'll be fucking epic man.
Well the plot was rehashed so why not?
>Snoke On Screen
>It ain't me (Plageuis) starts playing
The god emperor, the secret shadow emperor behind it all. From the invasion to Naboo, to Starkiller base, it was all Snoke's doing. He foresaw it all. Anakin's rise and fall. Sheev's rise and emperor and fall. Extermination of the Jedi and the Sith. It was all part of Snoke's grand design. All though not powerful enough to rise up again, his body sits in his bed on the Sith home world, a black dark planet in the far reaches of the galaxy. There the eternal emperor gives out his orders to his minions.
The more midi-chlorians aka more Force users there are in the galaxy the more it helps with Snoke's regeneration process. Luke, Ren, Rey, are all helping Snoke's final achievement, to regain his physical form.
..is there something wrong with looper?
spat out my tea when i read this
how the fuck can you even think that? apart from the obvious faces, you could not possibly tell it was a star wars film. it lacked any substance or depth. where was the politics like on coruscant? where was the world development? no shots of futuristic cities?
recall some memorable quotes that came out of TFA.
give me some characters which were actually memorable.
TFA was just an agenda driven flick that was too fast paced for any depth.
reys sudden realisation she can control people with her mind was hilarious.
>rey beats a sith trained in the force by picking up a lightsaber for the first time
>finn a clone trooper who was supposedly brainwashed since the age of 5 knew what was 'the right thing to do' and turn his back on everyone hes lived with on the ship his whole life.
it was garbage. just admit it. or do you just like flicks for their effects?
I don't hear it, but I wouldn't give a fuck either way.
Is this just a desperate attempt to connect the prequels to the new trilogy by fans?
i know that scene, but when i think about it it seems obvious he was talking about himself.
how old are the prequels though? the CGI was a product of the time they were released.
seriously what is the story of tfa? im serious.
the whole time was spent looking for an old aged luke.. thats it. you call that a plot? some pensioner is the saviour of the universe that they needed to track by finding puzzle pieces?
There's more visual storytelling and world building on Jakku than in the three prequels combined. Kylo Ren is villain with actual depth and discernible motivation; Finn did more to humanize Stormtroopers than any other film in the franchise. TFA might actually be the best Star Wars film - not that that's saying much, the series is obviously for children.
The sad thing is I was confident this was just shitposting and that the movie was great, but I watched it this weekend and Rey ruins the entire thing. She's the worst mary sue ever, no contest. I liked the rest of the characters, but really Rey is terrible.
>Did you really like Han Solo not knowing how Chewbacca's bowcaster worked, despite having known him from like 30 years?
>mfw that happened.
>I see the Ocean, the Island
>Luke is in hiding
>Snoke is in hiding
>Luke is surrounded by water
>Snoke on the water
>Rey longs for water at the beginning
>She desires to go to Luke
Luke confirmed for dark side, Rey confirmed for Anakin 2.0
i bet you laughed when the storm troopers ran in the opposite direction when kylo was letting his anger out.
tfa is pure cancer
>There's more visual storytelling and world building on Jakku than in the three prequels combined.
Judging by all the contrarian shit from teens (PREQUELS ARE GOOD WAAAAH), yes. Mark my words, it'll just be a guy (or a former jedi) who found a holocron-thing and was swayed to the dark side. They'll hand wave it as it having happened before, like in KOTOR1.
You can tell it's the teens who are contrarian, usually. They don't plan out their posts or use capitalization n shit. Just rapid responses with half-formed ideas. I don't even post 50% of the shit I type up, if it won't add shit to the thread.
A fantasy/scifi story can break away from reality up to a certain. It also establish its own rules that must obey everytime.
TFA break any real logic, and it also break SW logic. The prequels did that too.
Name a scene in the prequels comparable to Rey looking at the old woman across from her cleaning the salvaged parts. Literally everything regarding her situation is said without a single line of dialogue.
It was pretty straight-forward man. Both the sith and jedi were trying to influence Anakin to join their side, and become the ultimate example to their beliefs. But, anakin, wanted to choose his own path, similar to luke, but instead gave into his emotions and became dark side.
Thought this was a Prometheus thread for a second there because of that image.
Empire Strikes Back did not break Star Wars' logic. In certainly deviated from the simple, humble to earth, modest adventure guidelines Star Wars had to establish a more complex and dramatic space opera. But Empire Strikes Back was pretty faithful in its treatment of the Force, or the overall characterization of the protagonists, or the representation of the authoritarian, effective, mature Imperial bureoucraty.
Care to list some examples of ESB breaking SW's logic?
>Calling the first movie "Episode IV" or "A New Hope"
He didn't, he was surprised of Chewbie's bowcaster's firepower, and asked him to borrow for a single shot, then sayed "I like this thing". Why would Han try Chewbie's bowcaster after watching him using it for 30 fucking years?
I'm going to be the only guy who compliments OP for catching this, I guess.
That's a pretty solid lead. And one of a handful of good scenes from the PT...
...And he needs the life Force of the entire galaxy to attain immortality and godhood.
I really don't think they're going to Retrieve the Sheev
out of all the characters in the whole saga, he had the best run
She did a horrible job with the character.
She was mean't to be almost in tears when she meets up with Finn on Starkiller base.
because finally someone came back for her.
In the movie. It's just kinda, wow you came for me, thanks so much.
Thats just one example of where her acting fell flat.
In A New Hope Luke was able to tap into the force to blow up the Death Star without any prior training. It isn't until Empire that the concept of him having to train from a young age in order to be proficient (like it's some sort of craft) is established. In the first film the force is also treated more like a religion than the set of skills that require certain genes or lineage.
>Calling the first movie "Episode IV" or "A New Hope"
Just to avoid confusion.
>yfw hes referring to himself but making us think he means his former master all to lure anakin even more
JJ is executive producer which basically means that he makes the final call on what does and doesn't get into the final cut. I'm sure he's not going to reign in Rian too much but if he feels like something doesn't fit or is inconsistant with episode 7 he can have it cut or changed.
The way I see this is:
In SW77 (and ESB) there's no such things as genes carrying on Force skills or whatever. So, Luke is only strong in the Force because he believed on it, not because he was someone special (remember, even Lucas didn't have the concept of Vader being Luke's father in mind at this point). That means even Han himself could be a Jedi, if he really wanted and believed on it.
In ESB, what they establish is that Vader is Luke's father near the end of the movie. We don't know why was Yoda so hesitant to train Luke, but we also didn't know why was Vader so obsessed with Luke (remember the opening crawl). It makes sense, in the retrospective, that Yoda is fearful of Luke joining the Dark Side, like Vader did. So, he says Luke's reckless, but Obi-Wan himself says he was reckless too.
Yoda's line about Luke being too old isn't supposed to be taken too seriously. Nothing in Yoda's body language and vocal tone indicates he's really being serious about Luk's age. Please notice that this is followed by Luke saying he has learned too much, and after Yoda asks Obi-Wan whether he will complete his training, Luke says he's not afraid, and then Yoda says he will be afraid.
Why would Yoda mention Luke's age if thst's a serious impediment? He's just saying bullshit, hoping he won't risk the fate of the galaxy by making Luke too strong, only for him to join the Empire.
The whole stuff about the Skywalkers being specially-giften in the Force appears in Return of the Jedi.
What if Mace Windu is snoke? What if he survived the fall?
Think about it, he uses vapaad, which means he's balanced precariously between light and dark. THis is how he was able to redirect sheev's sith lightning back at him. But without his saber the force lightning turned him to the dark side completely
It's used when Anakin storms the temple for example. That must mean Snoke = Anakin right? Actually the only consistency is that Anakin is always there when the music plays so it makes more sense that Snoke is Anakin
I don't believe he is simply because the writers want absolutely nothing to do with the prequels. I'd sooner believe it is Revan coming back to life after 4000 years than anyone even simply referenced in the last 3 movies.