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This moment was so bad people blocked out of their memory. They don't even remember to complain about it.

Same as fighter pilots taking out individual soldiers.
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>>64472812
Most people didn't really care. Most people aren't autistic.
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I did roll my eyes in the theater at that moment, really unnecessary.

Also, I actually did forget that even happened before seeing this thread.

I guess bravo Abrams for going so fast people can't process all the little moments of shit in his movies.
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>>64472812
100% true, I forgot about this

When I saw it in the cinema I looked around like "did he actually just do that?" I mean, whose idea was it to put that in? What's it even supposed to show? Han might have been a good shot in the OT, but it's not like he was an ultra edgy badass or something.
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Yeah it was awkward. JJ sucks. Also, these expert Hollywood screenwriters cant think of something as simple as Han reaching for his blaster when he says Kylo with Rey but then hesitating and looking down. Would have made their confrontation scene more hardhitting.
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>>64472838
are you a fat girl?

how are you not pulled out of the film? Are movies just meaningless pictures going by your eyes?
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>>64472812

Having fun isn't for everyone OP
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>>64472929
how is that fun?

it's a spaceballs joke in a "serious" invasion scene, like it's mocking itself
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>>64472926
SOMEONE LIKED A MOVIE I DIDNT LIKE BECAUSE 4CHAN TOLD ME NOT TO

I'm the opposite of a fat girl desu.
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>>64472854
>going so fast people can't process all the little moments
that's actually the problem, there isnt one moment where you digest where each character is in their (lack of) arc. You just remember afterwards with some effort

No chance in hell for binary sunset etc

>>64472883
yeah it made me think "is he a force guy now?"
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>>64472812
>Same as fighter pilots taking out individual soldiers
Bitch, what are you on about? I strafed the hell out of thousands of battle droids and stormtroopers in the original Battlefront.
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>>64472915
i thought that was alright, Han is just frozen without reaction and we see it's a sore spot, he is not out for his son's blood and he'd get killed by the stormtroopers surrounding kylo
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>>64472812
The thing is...
...why did Han fly to Maz Kanada's planet anyway?

The whole part of the movie was a rehash of Luke and Obi-Wan's visit of Mos Eisley, except thay nearly anything that Luke and Obi-Wan did in Mos Eisley had sense.

Obi-Wan was looking for a good pilot because they didn't have a ship, and even if they have one Luke wouldn't be as good as the mission demands.

They couldn't leave the droids in Obi-Wan's hut because it was too far from Mos Eisley and because stormtroopers could inspect the house and find the droids.

They had no place to hide the droids, but at least Obi-Wan had mind control skills so there was no actual danger.

In TFA, through, the First Order knew BB8 was onboard of the Millennium Falcon, and the ship was stationed very close to Maz Kanada's castle. And even if they hide it, why bringing the droid inside the castle where there's a lot of potential spies and agents of the First Order? And why after she gave Luke's lightsaber to Finn, Maz is never seen again? In fact, she didn't even help Han deliver the droid safely to the Resistance, since yhe Resistance fleet and officers came to the planet (including Leia).
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>>64473041
Luke: "It'll be just like pressing R1 back at the basement"
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>>64472812
Whole movie was forgettable rubbish. There were no memorable scenes at all.
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>>64472838
This. Seriously kid, stop looking for excuses to be angry. It does not make you sound cool or mature.
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how does a stormtrooper suddenly start using a lightsaber? how could he even put up a fight against an extremely skilled and highly trained dark jedi?
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>>64472812
that scene where he's "running" from the monster was so sad. he's so fucking old now.
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>>64473189
He wasn't highly trained and he had a gaping wound in his side
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>>64473159
yes others are fat nerds for ruining your love of nerd shit
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>>64473216
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>>64472812
What part. Why did you post a blank image
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Haven't seen the movie yet.
What happens in that scene?
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>>64473198
yeah, but at least editing and shakey cam tries to fix that. Boyega was about as athletic as Ford when he stabs that stormtrooper

Daisy Ridley was by far the most athletic of all the actors, strangely enough
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HE SHOOTS SOMEONE WITHOUT LOOKING ?!?!?!
HAN SOLO CONFIRMED A SITH LORD
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>>64473242
He shoots a stormtrooper who is several meters behind him without looking. While both of them are in the middle of a battle.
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>>64473159
do you *get* the fedora meme?
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>>64473215
>fights a stormtrooper, can't land a single hit, gets dominated
>fights a dark jedi, lands a strike and holds his own for a good amount of time

makes total sense desu senpai
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>>64473255
I noticed we have a lot of webms and gifs of Ridley training (bodyweight, lifting, martial arts and rock climbing) but nothing of Boyega and Ford

Why is this?
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>>64473294
Sounds like something I'd roll my eyes a little and ignore.
Are you guys seriously autisting yourselves over a thing like that?
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What happened to Finns rifle he got from Solo?
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>>64472812
Yea 100%. Would have given it a pass if he'd missed and just suppressed a guy made him trip up or something so chewie could get him.

I wasn't taking the film too seriously so I don't give a shit if they make Han Solo Bruce Campbell tier.
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>>64473304
Fights aren't videogames where your power level dictates whether you'll win or not
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JJ was the right person to direct Episode VII

But JJ Abrams is not a good director.

His meticulous and energetic style worked wonders to replicate the feel, imagery and world of the OT. Likewise, he has proven to work well with younger, unexperienced actors. But all of his works since Lost even have been finished with odd plot conveniances, awkward forced character moments, and a distinct feeling that he only works within his comfort zone - inhibiting growth. He might be on the spectrum.
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>>64473119
So they could have a space bar scene. The movie is shit.
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>>64472838
most people dont enjoy sitting for 2 hours going "eh whatever it's just a bit of fun for the kids, just have fun" like a fake chill lord
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>>64473011
>cannot into nuanced opinion
It was a dumb scene. I actually did block it out, and overall I enjoyed the movie, but it was a stupid scene among a handful stupid scenes.
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>>64473336
roll your eyes and ignore, never talk about it. Do you never go out to dinner after a movie to shit talk?

just be cool and above it bro, phony as hell
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>>64473447
It's cool, dude, I just want everyone else on /tv/ to be chill as me.
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>>64473336

Everyone did do that, as the OP pointed out. It was touches like this that really irked me throughout the film, though. If there had been a full slower, more thoughtful scenes instead of stuff like this, Chewie's bowcaster, and Finn's lame comic relief, it would have been a better film.
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>>64473159
>kid
No, anon. You are the fedora.
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>>64473306
Ford, i mean cmon tahts not fair

Boyega is just a bit of a fatty but not so much that he thought "i have to prepare to do fake action shit"

Ridley is the actual star and she had to do stuff (and she comes off as more realistic in her running etc)

Driver was good enough in his swordplay but that's mostly just being in decent shape and his height
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>this script was in front of thousands of eyes
>hundreds of millions were spent bringing it to life
>nobody questioned the many coincidences and contrivances
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>>64473189
Have we watched the same movie? Why does everyone say that Finn put a good fight against Kylo?

Kylo was basically toying with him, probably didn't have a lightsaber duel in years so he was eager to swing his lightsaber around finally. Finn was contantly backing up trying to block his attack while Kylo went after him like the terminator slicing trees and hitting rocks around him with no control (cause he isn't a skilled fighter). And only when Finn actually managed to hit Kylo, then Kylo stopped playing and fucked up Finn good quickly

And versus Rey. he didn't even want to kill her, he wanted to get her to the dark side because he saw and felt that she is powerful with the force in the interrogation room. He could have just forcepush or freeze them both if he wanted but he wanted to swing his lightsaber after all these years against an another saber
But that scene where Rey physically overpowers Kylo is unecessery tho, no matter how Kylo is wounded
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>>64473369
JJ didn't do anything with Lost other than it's pilot and primary concept (the island) just like he didn't do anything in Fringe either. He has done primarily movies like Star Trek and Super 8, with managing the production company and setting up deals.
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>>64473485
cool so be chill, roll your eyes and ignore the thread

people like you are so nerdy they need to contantly fake they dont care and are super chill
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>Not being able to criticize the biggest box office film of all time,just because 'merr your autistic' 'mehh its a kids film'

Fuck off , it doesn't make it immune from close analysis and criticism because it a film for a wide audience , including children
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>>64473516
Boyega is supposed to be a stormtrooper that's been training from childhood. Why is he so fat? Why are his hips so wide?
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>>64473525
>Why does everyone say that Finn put a good fight against Kylo?

I didn't say he put up a good fight. He shouldn't have been able to put up a fight at all.
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>>64473558
You've got a chip on your shoulder, m8.
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>>64473604

chill out dude, just ignore him
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>>64473604
roll your eyes and ignore, chill lord
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>>64473336
The problem with this joke, and many of the jokes of TFA that involves Han Solo in some way or another, is that not only they doesn't make sense, they also contradict what we know about the character.

Han could be a brave mercenary, but he's not reckless. He wouldn't risk his life for a blind shot.

Han has been many years with Chewbacca, and yet somehow he didn't know the properties and firepower of Chewbacca's bowcaster.

Han says in the original movie that driving through hyperspace requires precise calculations because otherwise they could die by crashing on a planet or flying too close to a star or supernova. Yet he fliesto Starkiller and leaves hyperspace a mere nanoseconds before crashing the planet.

And so on.
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>>64473034
Well he fucked a Skywalker, perhaps he got some midiclorions on his dick.
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>>64473520
>this script was in front of thousands of eyes

luke's lightsaber from V is in VII

>mfw that script leak was actually true
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Prepare to cringe

>>64473242
>>64473294
>>64473336
>>64473485
>>64473558
>>64473604
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>>64473656
>Han has been many years with Chewbacca, and yet somehow he didn't know the properties and firepower of Chewbacca's bowcaster.

this pisses me off so fucking much
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>>64473656
I liked the bowcaster shit and could dismiss it because I just figured Han preferred his blaster and didn't fuck with Chewies shit.

The rest though is spot-on.
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>>64473520
They might have originally explained it with throwaway lines of dialogue or extra scenes that got trimmed in the final cut. The script isn't everything.
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>>64473119
They were trying to find a clean ship.

iirc Finn even asks why they are going somewhere public and Han replies "so we can find a clean ship"

So yeah it kinda makes sense.
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>>64473119
I have these very thick glasses with like a zoom lens to inspect Finn. Must have pretty bad eyesight or something. But I take them of completely when I talk about more personal things. I can actually see fine without them jk.
The whole maz fiasco goes on...
The lightsaber... Did they have a treasure chest from Pirates of the Carribean lying around?
What are those visions even???

All this and then Le Epic "hero tries to deny her obvious destiny" theme.
Lil giwl scared of scawy visions boohoo.
There si just no time taken EVER to reflect on anything like what could these visions mean!
Nope let's just go to the next planet or whatever.
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>in the middle of a pitched battle
>hey can I try that thing xD

I know star wars was always campy but it was never this fucking stupid
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>>64473695
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Poe taking out individual soldiers was so it'd seem impressive but since it's a thing that's possible now you just think "huh i guess that's a thing now, so it's not impressive"

they dont establish earlier that usually a fighter is like the real world in how it hits things
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glib facsimile
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>>64472812
The movie was a cringefest the entire way, this was the least offensive thing in a sea of others.
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>>64473698
Even worse, Chewbacca's bowcaster acted like any gun in the OT, which is why it was never important enough to mention it, yet in TFA it is so powerful that it wins over any single other gun.

And yet Han never payed attention to it.
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>>64473779
tell that to kanjiklub
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>>64473119
It's best not to think about it.

As soon as they left Jakku the entire fucking thing became DUDE NOSTALGIA LMAO.
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>>64473757
meanwhile all this is happening and Han is just sitting there off screen, "where's my clean ship? they can track the falcon" just waiting for the 1st order
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Did anyone else cringe when the little musical stings played for the old characters appearing?
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>>64473656
Well by now he's an old pro and can aim a blaster with his eyes closed and can manage the hyperspace on his ship like a champ. How'd you not pick up on that?
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>>64473758
wow chewie your 40 year old weapon is really good, i never noticed it, we just met last week
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>>64473802
>As soon as they left Jakku

Most of Jakku was nostalgia too.
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>>64473771
Thinking back on it, it didn't initially bother me. Okay TIES are weak and have no shields, maybe those X-Wing guns didn't need to be that strong to blow them up.

But then, Poe flies into Starkiller and proceeds to fuck it up internally with single shots to multiple components. I mean, it's fucking Star Wars so who gives a fuck, but it's inconsistent as fuck.
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>>64473656
>>64473656
Love it when anons put "And so on" etc after only 3 arguments because they don't have anymore

So you would like every character to stay the same forever? Even after 30 years of living everyone would stay the same? Now that would be boring and not creative

But I give you the bowcaster thing tho
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holy shit, this thread is literally an autistic circle jerk. I don't see a single voice that seems human, let alone a voice of reason. you are all such bad people.
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>>64473793
Yeah you can litterally hear the Disney writers thinking, doesn't chewbacca have a special gun? let's fo something with that.
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>>64473882
please stop I'm sure that JJ Abrams has actual brain problems
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>>64473757
>I have these very thick glasses with like a zoom lens to inspect Finn. Must have pretty bad eyesight or something. But I take them of completely when I talk about more personal things. I can actually see fine without them jk.
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>>64473874
ah so that's the joke?

He's like a really chilled cool badass at everything because he's a veteran of this universe and knows everything?
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>>64473771
Yeah I think the biggest problem with the fight scenes were this. Everything that happened had already been done to death in previous SW movies, even in the cartoons, so nothing stands out. The only moments I can recall are Kylo burning Finn's shoulder (because it was the only time he actually did something with the otherwise useless extra vents) and the trick shot with the Falcon's broken cannon.
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>>64473656
>implying the hyperspeed entry didn't require meticulous calculations
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>>64473946
use the force m8
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I once read that Bowcasters were too heavy for people to handle, that's why Han's gun was a blaster and only Chewie had a Bowcaster.

I don't think this was from the OT, maybe established in the old EU that Disney jettisoned.
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>>64473750
I got that line, but it still doesn't explain why parking the Falcon so close to Maz's castle, or why carrying the droid instead of leaving it inside the Falcon.

Obi-Wan and Luke didn't have a place to hide the droids. They only relied on Obi-Wan's mind tricks to avoid the storntroopers. Han had a place to hide BB8 and yet he didn't care.

Why is also important to prevent the First Order to know the location of the Resistance planet? If the First Order attacks the planet, the Republic would be forced to counterattack. If the First Order is so big and powerful it threatens the Resistance, there's no need to establish a secret military group, the First Order is already too powerful for the Republic to ignore its thread.

It doesn't make sense.
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>>64473887
But it was well done nostalgia that strove to capture the atmosphere and tone of prior films (especially the binary sunset scene) rather than simply shoving in as much references as possible.
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>>64473750

>a clean ship
>in a space reggae pub
>in the middle of nowhere
>no ships parked outside
>in the end they bring the 'filthy' millenium falcon to the rebel base anyway
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>>64473405
Yes they do why do you think this movie was a success
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>>64473897
i assumed a single weakest shot would pop a blast of around 3-4 feet with the precision of a fighter (ie not much, so you blast things around it until you get one, same as firing and leading a machine gun in a helicopter)
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>>64473986

Yeah you're right. I really liked the slower, less wacky parts at the start.
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>>64473927
The behind the back shot and hyperspace scene didn't really seem like jokes. They were tricks han had under his sleeve that are totally expected. He's a risk taker and kind of a show off, now he's had 30+ yes experience living that life. Youd figure he'd be pretty skilled.
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>>64473999

It was a success because it is Star Wars.

Do you really think people get out of the cinema and tell all of their friends to go to see TFA because it is the best Star Wars ever?

Everybody I've talked with irl were like "Yeah... it was fun i guess..." at best. Nobody liked it being a rehash. Nobody thought it was a good film.
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>>64474022
Tell that to Kanji Club
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the entire maz sequence was just embarrassing in almost every conceivable way

also I would love to know what the fuck happened to all of abrams talk about physicality, he literally talks about yoda being more authentic as a puppet but then they go and use a terrible CGI effect anyway. I'm left wondering what it was all for

watch abrams talking here and try to reconcile it with what you actually saw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1iXWYWpsZk
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>>64474012
That's a sound argument, but then you see Chewbaccas Bowcaster doing similar levels of damage and it's a hand-held weapon with no recoil.
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>>64473981
Probably so they don't blow the resistance up with their super gun after they just eliminated the republics capital planets.
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>>64473999
because a lot of people go check the giant franchise everyone knows or knows about. Not that different from watching The Mummy and forgetting about it 2 seconds later

they're not geeks watching it 2 times or more
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>>64474093
kek goddammit
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>>64473144
Ok. Ya got me. I like you
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>>64474104

you're some retarded autist OT fan. stop trying to understand shit when you're retarded. just accept that you're retarded.
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>>64473119

>IT WAS A NEW HOPE REMAKE MAYMAY

Can we fucking kill this meme?

It's not the same thing. Holy shit, people act like walking in a room full of aliens and droids = cantina rip off
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>>64473154
"no memorable scenes at all"

>Kylo stopping a blaster shot mid air
>Rey driving away in her pod with the shot of the fallen Star Destroyer
>Rey eating/putting on the helmet
>the transition to the Millenium Falcon
>the blocked cannon maneuver
>Kylo tantrum
>Hux's speech and Stormtroopers raising their arms
>Kylo interrogating Rey
>Second Kylo tantrum
>TR-8R vs Finn
>Poe doing that killstreak of TIE fighters
>Han Solo Death
>Kylo vs Finn/Rey
>Luke Skywalker reveal

I probably missed a lot, watched it only once 2 weeks ago
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>>64474104
Her cantina design was fine. Space bar full of real costumed aliens was a nice touch. They probably could have made maz a puppet but they wanted to use mocap instead. In the end it looks fine. There's not really much there to complain about.
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>>64474210
not him, but what do you get in pretending to be a chill lord?

are you a tfa dude, a prequel weirdo? what do you love that you pretend to go "meh dude whatever im above it, no likes or dislikes"
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Webm pls. I don't remember that moment.
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Dude just turn off your brain xD
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>>64474104
Disney.

It's like "The Thing" effect. They had a movie nearly finished with practical effects already built and stopped the movie....inserted CGI and basically ruined it. I wouldn't be surprised in the next couple of years to learn that Maz was going to be a puppeted character and Disney said no because kids need cartoons in their movies.

I'm not blaming JJ for Maz, yet.
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>>64474236
agree on most of these (specially early rey stuff)

why did she put the helmet? was it so i'd go "aww cutie"?
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>>64472812
It sucks because it's the same scene as Hawkeye shooting down the alien ship in Avengers without looking except done even shittier. Fuck Disney and assembly line writing.
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>>64473981
Think about it like this:

A couple guys rob a bank, and steal a ton of cash. the cops know the vehicles license plate number and that the guys have bags of cash. One of the thiefs suggests going to a bar nearby, where the owner might be able to hook them up with a different car. They park outside the bar, and expecting this to go pretty quickly, bring the bags of cash in with them. Not wanting to overinvolve himself, the bar owner makes the thieves explain everything, taking longer than expected. While this is happening, an off-duty cop at the bar reports what he sees. Pretty soon the place is swarming with cops so the thieves' only getaway choice us the car they originally drove in.
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>>64473900
Why does Han takes Chewbacca and Finn to a critical mission such as sabotaging the Starkiller's shields? He took an entire team of rebel soldiers for Endor.

Why is Han piloting a damn big Star Destroyer sized ship and finds the Falcon near Jakku, yet the Falcon isn't chase by yet another squadron of TIE Fighters or a Star Destroyer? We know a Star Destroyer was near Jakku at the beginning of the movie. We know the TIE Fighters which were chasing the Falcon on Jakku were warned after a pair of stormtrooopers found BB8. We know the Falcon was chased by Star Destroyers after leaving Tatooine, because the officers onboard were informed by local stormtroopers who were searching for R2D2 and C3PO. So why this time the Falcon can be found by Han himself (and Han's freighter by a pair of smuggler mobs) but the First Orden can't?
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it was a cool moment
it's not like suddenly the movie was ruined and hans character was forever raped
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>>64474092
I thought it was a good film
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>>64474327

It actually makes sense with Hawkeye, since it's kind of hard to show superpowered accuracy when it's not that difficult for a real life person to hit a moving target with a bow and arrow.

Maybe the reason it was in TFA is that Han is secretly Snoke
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>>64474371
how is that cool? it's a wayans satire moment
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>Pilots taking out individual soldiers

They don't shoot the soldiers, they shoot the ground, I know the game sucks but in the new Battlefront most of my aerial kills are strafing enemies on the ground.
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>>64474408
i can see the camrip now, the blasts are on the chest
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>>64474371

I can see how it'd be cool if you were still a kid and had never seen an action movie before.
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>>64474271

>not going out of your way to whine about trivial bullshit like a retarded tantruming autist with no concept of objectivity of logic means you don't like anything

I've just noticed that OT fans tend to be really, really bad people. Double standards, extremely creepy, aggressive criticisms of the same shit they love in their garbage unintentional comedy OT, delusions, and much more. That Han no-look shot is a perfect example. I bet you loved the part in the OT where he flies through an asteroid field despite there being no chance of survival, didn't you you retarded sperg?
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>>64474337
Han is no longer a general.

The other side of the planet.

Anything else?
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>>64474455
>sperg
in a angry blog post
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>>64474371
>hans
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>>64474317
It was a direct parallel to the ANH sunset scene you pleb.
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>>64474455
>OT fans tend to be really, really bad people
you take this personally. Did your big brother whos a OT fan gave you a wedgie?
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>>64474129

How did the First Order found the location of the Resistance planet in the movie anyway? Wasn't Han's visit to Maz made by the purpose of NOT ALLOWING the First Order to track them?
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>>64474401
It was a fun little moment for Han, not like Star Wars is some grounded in reality series.
Luke hitting the reactor to the deathstar is way less believable than Han blind hitting a trooper running right at him
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>>64474513
she dreamed of being a pilot but her uncle needs an extra hand?

the binary sunset is her looking at the old woman and being conflicted about waiting forever
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>>64474317
she puts on a rebel helmet, so you see she wants to be a resistance pilot of some sorts one day. So the flying of the Millenium Falcon is justified
And some anons said that on the helmet are the letters RHEI or some shit like that so that mind wipe theory could be plausible (but I don't like it)

Oh and ofcourse it is so you'd go "aww cutie"
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>>64474455
lmao dude
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>>64474455
this tbph
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>>64472812
Han Solo confirmed Force sensitive.

Bravo JewJew
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>>64474518
Yes but then a seedy bar goer phoned it in and they had to resort to going back into the Falcon.

Did you not watch the movie?
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>>64474518

The Resistance beelined straight for their home base because they were short on time so it was easy to track
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>>64473680
>luke's lightsaber from V is in VII

Why is that so ridiculous exactly?
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>>64474518
Because the falcon was marked yet due to the battle Han was forced to take it to the resistance planet anyway
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>>64474545
she doesnt want to be a resistence pilot, what the hell dude?

stop making us who enjoyed tfa retards who need to make shit up
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>>64474515

I'm just calling it like I see it. All of the schizophrenic-tier criticisms in this thread are coming from OT fans. You can tell by their use of language and their failure to grasp even the simplest nuances of the English language. I really take great pleasure in knowing all of you are going to die lonely and unloved. I wouldn't be surprised if most of you browsed /pol/; you're that stupid.
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One of the worst things about the movie for me was that there was no real tension or sense of danger in any of the scenes except for the lightsaber fight at the very end. The goddamn garbage masher scene in ANH had more suspense in it than anything in TFA.
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>>64474620
I would largely agree, but Han confronting Kylo was pretty tense imo.
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>>64474603
>You can tell by their use of language and their failure to grasp even the simplest nuances of the English language.
jesus lord, you ARE an autist
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>>64474461
Why does it matter that Han is no longer a general?

The entire Resistance is run by Leia.
The Resistance itself exists because a bunch of people took the First Order as an actual thread. Why wouldn't give Han freaking Solo all the resources he could use?

How is the Falcon leaving the planet from the other side if Rey lives a mere hours of distance from the local town when that old guy with a part of Luke's map resides? Why did Luke leave Rey so close to that old man, anyway?
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>>64474620
>implying the interrogation scene with Kylo and Rey didn't have tension
>implying the build up to Han's death didn't have tension, and obviously danger
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>>64474539
Han learned the ways of blind firing in tattoine
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>>64474603
>I really take great pleasure in knowing all of you are going to die lonely and unloved. I wouldn't be surprised if most of you browsed /pol/; you're that stupid.
are you some male feminist sperg attacking the "anti rey sexists" or something?
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>>64474093
I like this meme. Gonna meme this around for a while desu-senpai.
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>>64474665
Han ditched because he upset about his son. He didnt want to be part of the resistance anymore. He wanted to go back to "the only thing he was ever any good at." This was also explained clearly.
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>>64474665
the old man is the leader of a Force Church, so it's possible that he was watching over her without her knowing it
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The worst part was when Han nodded towards Rey in the window and Fin was like 'watchuu mean breh?'
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>>64474455
>I've just noticed that OT fans tend to be really, really bad people.
wow you're really team tfa huh? not creepy at all to make this some personal nerd war
>>64474561
subtle samefagging there
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>>64474579

The lightsaber falls down a hole off into Bespin and Luke makes another one.
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>>64472812
>Same as fighter pilots taking out individual soldiers.

The guns on the new x-wings are computer controlled and target independent of one another.
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>>64474776
We don't know if it fell into Bespin. One of those hairy midgets probably found it in the depths of cloud city or something.
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>>64474776
She said she has a story for another time about how she got it.

I guess I just took that at face value.
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>>64474776
not him but so? maz says "it's a story for another time"

the only bad thing about it's that its lost in V represents Luke losing his dad's lightsaber as well as the image of his dad and his whole self, his purpose (while gaining a new one) etc
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>>64474576
Why would the Resistance fly straight to their base? The Rebels only did that when they thought they would have an easy and quick win, otherwise they never used straight paths.

Why is so important for the Resistance to make the Falcon join their fleet? Why couldn't Han gave BB8 to Leia and leave them, at least for a short time?

How was the Falcon marked anyway? They put a signal when the ship was parked in the Death Star. But in Jakku, the ship was just in a junkyard.
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>>64474837
>>64474840
>it's a story for another time

100000000000% that story is only ever told in a comic book story even worse than the old EU
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>>64474234
That's exactly what it was. If you want to be delusional then good for you.

The whole thing is an exercise in pandering and fan service.
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>>64474856
han marked it, it was far off and it set off when it started to fly

that bit is ok, the problem is in how it's told and the pace
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Yep, when i saw this scene i couldnt belive what i just saw. I told my gf that we are leaving and left the cinema. Sorry for bad english i am european
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>>64474856

>Why would the Resistance fly straight to their base?

Because the capital was blown away and they had to gather all their remaining forces to attack Starkiller Base. Think before you shitpost at least.
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>>64474776
The lightsaber did not fall into bespin. If you watch the bluray you will clearly see the thing falling with luke out the bottom of cloud city is not the hand+lightsaber.
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>>64472926

>muh immersion

Han solo does these things.
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>>64472812
He's got a little bit of the force in him, well really everyone does.
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>>64474962
let's see your examples where you break it down like an autistic sperg "well technically no one would be able to do this thing in the OT"
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>>64474957

Where did it go? I'm pretty sure it went down the hole before (SPOILER ALERT) Darth tell Luke he's his father.
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>>64474731
I GOT THAT, and that's what I'm not saying.

What I am saying is that it doesn't matter if Han is not a general, because this time Leia is running the Resistance. And even if she isn't, there's also Admiral Acbkar in the background.

Why is Maz saying the Resistance needs Han, and when Han finally joins the fight they didn't suggest him to infiltrate the Starkiller with a team like he did in Endor? The fate of the Resistance and the entire galaxy relies on Han's shoulders? Why does he takes Chewbie and Finn as his only companions in the mission?
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>>64474970
THATS NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS
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Why is the entire fleet of a galaxy spanning republic a few x-wings and one freighter?

What happened to all the squid cruisers?
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>>64473887
It was still far better; it felt like its own film. There was clearly an attention to world building and the pacing felt like Star Wars. There was also some nice cinematography.

Then it became frenetic nostalgia bullshit.
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>>64475025
>i literally never made the connection to squids
wow
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What's so bad about that scene?

Looked like typical Han to me.
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>>64475013
A different place than luke went. That was a big fucking hole. Could've gone anywhere.
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>>64475025
you could also ask why the new republic just let the new order build a superweapon hundreds of times larger and far more advanced than the death stars that was capable of destroying their core star systems through hyperspace
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>>64474928
Fucking autist top Kek
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>>64475065
>>64474962
samebait
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>>64475017
Leia explains han is needed to get their son back. He takes a small team because Finn knows details about the base and a larger group runs the risk of being caught and exposing their plans.
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>>64475084
Also why would they build one giant death star instead of 3000 Super Star Destroyers anyway?

They had to know death stars are total crap by now.
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>>64475084
>leaving your brain turned on

wtfayds
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>>64475086
you realize it's someone falseflaging "i agree with you guys because x, people who think this is the dumb"
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>>64475023
Tell that to Kanji Klub
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>>64473304
Because he can't possibly have learned anything from getting wrecked the first time

And he lands a hit on a guy with a gaping wound in his side, before getting sliced the fuck up. Kylo was playing with him even with the wound, and he wasn't aiming to kill Rey either since Snoke wanted her
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>>64475097
Stay mad, that scene fits well into the context of the character.
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>>64472838
>I like everything
>noticing things makes you an autistic
>just enjoy your popcorn anon

Millennials seem to have a problem with people who notice things that make a movie or book or video game etc...shit. Like they've been trained to accept any fucking thing that comes their way I'll gladly call myself autistic if that's now synonymous with being observant.
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Will Thrawn be in the next movie?
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>>64473900
Love it when anons instead of refuting a number of points presented by another anon, instead say 'you only back up your claim with n number of reasons' and dismiss the whole argument
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>>64472883
>not an ultra edgy badass
>shooting a bounty hunter in cold blood before he has even chance to defend himself
kek.
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>>64474236
>TR-8R
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>>64475230
Greedo shot first ;^)
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>>64473909
>>64474455
>bad people
how nerdy does a person have to be to imagine "people runing your film with talky talk" as some evil in their life taking away their toys
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>>64475037
Jakku scenes
>focus on showing Rey's character without unnecessary dialogue
>wide-angle shots and slow pans, well-composed and good use of lighting
>music focuses on a new theme (Rey's theme) with more sentimental, emotional tone
>slower pace
>less CGI, beautiful and interesting new twist on familiar settings (ship graveyard and Rey's home in the wreck)


Everything after
>Exposition and quips, character development put aside or done through one-liners
>close-ups, constantly moving camera and frequent cuts
>music mainly just references old themes without really introducing anything new or putting a new spin on them, Kylo Ren has a bombastic but generic brass fanfare that isn't developed much
>frenetic pace, constant dull action scenes
>CGI creatures, settings are just generic "jungle planet + cantina" or "ice planet + totally-not-death-star"

It's like they're two different films.
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>>64474317
Notice that nobody cared who she was until she put it on.
It's like poetry.
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>>64475124
the same reason hitler kept funding shit like this
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>>64475023
YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THE FORCE WORKS
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>>64475230
did he also appeared suddenly behind someone with a katana?
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>>64475310
I KNOW IT PENETRATES ME
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>>64474948
What I'm trying to say is that why is everyone in the Republic so incompetent.

Why was all the Republic fleet stationed in the galactic capital?

And if the fleet wasn't completely destroyed, why aren't they joining the battle against Starkiller Base?

Doesn't also realize that no one at Starkiller knew the location of their planet? What was them preventing the Falcon from flying to the Resistance planet and then joining the Resistance fleet at Starkiller? Or very close to Starkiller?

The Falcon joined the Rebel fleet after the Yavin IV battle had already begun. Nothing prevented the Falcon to do it again this time.

The only difference is that Starkiller creates its own planetary shield, instead of a remote shield generator being installed near the battlestation. But it doesn't matter they can't attack the station, because the station itself can't destroy their base, unless the Falcon joins them.
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>>64472812
>>64472883
>>64473342

This is just too true. I remember now that I shook my head in disbelief then but soon forgot it due to how dumb everything else in the movie was.
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>>64475176
Dude turn your brain off it's just a movie :^)
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I feel like Kylo was mlre likeable than Rey.

>fucked up family/coke-addict mother
>tonnes of pressure to please his master
>looks like an autist
>isn't even good with a lightsaber
Kylo could have had proper development and a learning curve, unlike Rey who is just lolmindcontrol.
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>>64473144
Kek

>>64475306
>You will never drive a P-1500 to work
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>>64475290
Yeah. Agree.
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>>64475409
He's not more likeable, he's just far more interesting.
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>>64472838
>>64473159
"what, were you expecting to like this or something, kid? heh.

now pls shut up so i can keep loving this with all my heart"
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>>64472838
>Most people didn't really care. Most people aren't autistic.

>implying anyone who complains at all is mentally ill.

This train of thought is damaging to all discussion. It's the laziest ad homenim fallacy.
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>>64475115
And how exactly a person who is professionally trained to be a soldier only to be assigned janitor only to be sent later to a critical mission would know critical information about Starkiller?

How exactly a small team of soldiers is riskier than only sending the heroes this time, but thirty years earlier it was completely fine? Even C3PO and Leia joined the Endor team.
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>>64472812
It could have been a lot worse: Disney singing score complete with choreography.
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>>64475176
Try watching blockbuster "movies" while texting and surfing reddit. If you're not paying attention, you miss all the little pieces that traditionally tied a film together, and you catch brief sections broken up by the shift to and from your phone screen. When sectioned off, you no longer notice that none of the pieces fit quite right, and only notice the mosaic.
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Do you guys get the feeling that it would have helped if Disney kept George Lucas on to spot bad decisions like the one in the OP during production?
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>>64475554
it's specially dumb because of the implication that you're expecting too much out of a fun kiddy movie, so shut up and let me keep loving this

it feels like back during the prequel days. "it was always silly, now let me love this in a serious non-silly way now"
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>>64475578
>And how exactly a person who is professionally trained to be a soldier only to be assigned janitor only to be sent later to a critical mission would know critical information about Starkiller?
He lied about that to get to Rey.
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>>64475622
No because it has not been a bad decision. A bit cheesy perhaps but entirely fitting for Han
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>>64475290
>quips

Jesus tittyfucking Christ, the goddamned quips! Why the fuck are Whedon and JJ so obsessed with "clever" characters? It'd be one thing if they were actually clever, but it always comes off as the shit a fedora wearing hipster-beard thinks a cool person would say, playing out like one of their self-aggrandizing daydreams.
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THAT'S NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS!
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>>64474334
Why would Maz intentionally waste time to allow the First Order to find them?

Why wouldn't Maz make some actions to prevent then from being found by a First Order agent?

Why would Han fucking Solo to be so stupid to not grasp this?

Why is Maz running a bar anyway?
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>>64475635
>He lied about that to get to Rey.
What? No. He said he was stationed on the Totally-not-Deathstar. When Han asked him just what his duties were he said he was a janitor, meaning that he was a janitor but lied about being more important so the resistance would let him go. After all that he's still a curious soldier to send on the super cereal mission to capture not-R2D2.
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How is Han only noticing Chewie's gun in that scene? Didn't Chewie have it for decades?
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>>64475707
i was actually really glad Rey wasnt this, because people who write this way usually have to make every woman into some quip-badass-above-it-all (who take nothing seriously) so they can feel not-sexist and like strong men who can handle "strong" bitchy women

this movie was not that bad in that regard, it was mostly poe in that first scene
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>>64475868
Did Chewie ever use it in the OT?
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>>64474455
>I bet you loved the part in the OT where he flies through an asteroid field despite there being no chance of survival, didn't you you retarded sperg?

C3PO pls go
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>>64475868
>How is Han only noticing Chewie's gun in that scene?
How else was JJ going to subtly show that the bowcaster was powerful as shit? Just have Chewie blow shit up with it, or have one of the new cast that aren't actually familiar with it comment? That's stupid.

>Didn't Chewie have it for decades?
What's your point? Maybe Han never say Chewie use it...well outside of the entire OT where Chewie uses it all the fucking time, and all the implied times he'd been through shit with Chewbacca before...
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>>64475635
Which is fucking awful writing.

So the place they go to blow up the thermal regulator, or whatever, IS IN THE SAME SPOT ON A PLANET SIZED SHIP AS THE ESCAPED-ON-FOOT-PRISONER?

Why is the base WHICH HAS AN ENTIRE PLANET TO OPERATE ON the size of Mall of America?
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>>64474455
I particularly enjoyed the flight physics in that scene.

So real.
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>>64475290
I knew I couldn't be the only one

Quality went to shit once han solo entered the movie
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>>64475635
Ah, yeah, I forgot that. My mistake.
That still doesn't explain why didn't Han take a small force. Or why didn't Han react towards Finn lying.

The younger Han would have really being pissed by a kid endangering their lifes for such a stupid reason.

Even if they were already at Starkiller and thus being forced to complete their mission, why wouldn't Han be a little more suspicious towards Finn?

In fact, didn't he say "listen, big fish, you have another problem. Women always find the truth. Always" to Finn earlier before meeting Maz?

Why would Han believe Finn's story about being a janitor later?
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>>64475634
>"it was always silly, now let me love this in a serious non-silly way now"
with an extra paint of "i'm way more of a chill lord than you, kid"

you're being too autistic nerdy and taking this seriously and it isnt allowing me to be nerdy and take this autistically serious
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>>64472812
I actually don't remember that scene you're talking about. Can you explain it again?
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>>64475927
>yfw you realize Chewie did more in this movie than in all of the others counted together
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Are you punks feeling lucky?
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>>64473369
>energetic style worked wonders to replicate the feel
No, not at all. Abrams camera work is easily the worst part of the movie for me. No focus, constantly jerking around, way too kinetic. It's awful.
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>>64476013
>In fact, didn't he say "listen, big fish, you have another problem. Women always find the truth. Always" to Finn earlier before meeting Maz?
He did. Which was annoying cuz he was just like "I know this dude is lying, but I don't care about his true motives and trust him completely! I'm going to trust his actions without thinking"
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>>64475863
Well he has proven his worth several times, it does not seem unlikely to send him.
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>>64475707
That's the thing, I don't understand it. Even Star Trek 2009 wasn't quippy.
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>>64475927
He did. It was as powerful as any other blaster.

This time is far more powerful for some reason, yet Han only finds out at the same time we the spectators are looking at them.
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Why are people being so anal about this film? It's a Star Wars film, did you expect some sort of masterpiece?
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>>64474455
>I bet you loved the part in the OT where he flies through an asteroid field despite there being no chance of survival

You mean the part where they flew just far enough in to hide in a large asteroid before flying back out? Yeah. I also loved that it was considered fucking crazy and the sort of thing that only a mad, seasoned, ace pilot with thousands of hours in his ship would attempt.

I mean, that's completely comparable to a girl with no formal training, running into a barely functioning ship that had been sitting for years, and proceeding to fly through the skeletal frame of crashed star destroyers, while fucking engaged in a dogfight with SIGNIFICANTLY smaller and more nimble craft. Right?
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>>64476225
99% of the complaints are only nitpicks, too. The film is really solid overall
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>>64476193
Bowcaster v2? Chewie upgraded his gun without telling han
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>>64476225

>>64475554
>>64475634
>>64476053
>"it was always silly, now let me love this in a serious non-silly way now"
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>>64473159
kek

obvious redditor spotted
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>>64476225
Do not underestimate the autism of SW fanboys.
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>>64476013
Well he was pissed at him and told him so. But what else is he supposed to do right now.
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>>64476139
So if he knows the kid's full of shit, why allowing him to lie to everybody? Why putting everyone at risk and not taking a small force?

And if he truly believed him, why did he only took Finn and Chewbacca?

It still doesn't make sense.
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>>64476312
>>64476261
>noticing a dumb scene and making you feel like you shouldnt go off on every EU shit and new star wars autism is autism
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>>64476165
It was fairly quipy. The issue with Abrams writing is that you can ALWAYS tell who his favorite character is because he exclusively writes self-insert Mary Sues.

In Star Trek OS, Kirk is the series protagonist with an excellent ensemble crew. In Abrams Trek, Spock is clearly and by far the protagonist(even with the story opening with Kirk it's clear that Spock is the central focus. So much so, that Kirk's love interest from OS, Uhura, is rewritten as Spock's love interest). Spock is the cleverest, bravest, strongest, "sexiest" character.

In Star Wars it's overwhelmingly obvious that Abrams chose Rey.
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>>64476360
He just knew that that guy was a former stormtrooper, not that he did not know shit.
They even gave a reason why only so few people are going, but I don't remember it right now.
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>>64476292
Stop being childish. Star Wars is a fun, action packed series of films, not a flawless film series. It has always been, from the beginning. That is the franchise people always loved and that attracts so many fans.

>>now let me love this in a serious non-silly way now
Autism. Why can't people enjoy a film despite its mistakes?
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>>64475529
stop taking this seriously so i can take this seriously and buy all the toys and know every new galaxy detail and every politics and every senator in every planet
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>>64476225
>Why are people being so anal about this film? It's a Star Wars film

Its a Star Wars film made by DISNEY.

Disney has so much money, they could hire an army of Star Wars experts to work on the film to make sure there are no stupid mistakes.

INSTEAD we get a Stormtrooper that can block a lightsaber with a stun baton. This is BLATANT sloppy film-making. Star Wars has been around for 40 years, such mistakes are unforgivable.

People pointing out mistakes in The Force Awakens have a legitimate reason to do so. You cant just say "autism" and brush it off, some of the mistakes made in the movie should have never of happened.
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>>64476292
I watched the old trilogy right before I went to see TFA.
It's pretty much the same silliness, which makes the comments on /tv/ all the more ridiculous.
I wonder how they would have felt about the original movies, especially ROTJ
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>>64476426
really? i dont know one person who thought spock wasnt just a boring asshole in those films with the exception of his deadpan autism jokes (and even there he was just a bazing nerd).
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>>64476507
>INSTEAD we get a Stormtrooper that can block a lightsaber with a stun baton.

This is noting new, this has been the case in the prequels too, i.e. legitimate canon.
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>>64472812

I liked it you fucking faggots.

>muh realism
>muh suspension of disbelief
>muh contrarian values
>muh buzzwords
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>>64476507
>INSTEAD we get a Stormtrooper that can block a lightsaber with a stun baton.
I mean the technology for weapons that can block lightsabers has been around since the clone wars. Why not have them?
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>>64476507
>there are mistakes
No one is saying they don't exist. It's just that it's not like it's a big deal.
Every Star Wars movie has a mistake here and there, people are used to that. It's a silly action movie.

Come on, this isn't that hard to grasp.
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>>64476193
>This time is far more powerful for some reason

The reason being JJ Abrams does not give a fuck about continuity or getting details right. He even admitted this as one of the reasons he turned down directing TFA when he was initially asked to do it.
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>>64476356
Maybe being entirely hostile towards him the rest of the movie?

I mean, take his exchanges to Leia in ESB. And back then it was only a romantic attraction. Not Leia lying to the entire Rebellion and putting everybody's lifes for such childish reasons.
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>>64472812

If fighters can't take out soldiers on the ground then why doesn't one side just not deploy fighters. One side will have them just flying about unable to target ground troops doing nothing else
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>>64476507
>Sloppy film-making

The thing that kills me is that Ep VII has been in production/pre-production for YEARS. How was Abrams not laboriously going over every detail? He seems like such a soulless piece of shit. Like he honestly put the script together over a month and then decided that it was done enough. Other cast and crew members(including designers and set builders) worked for YEARS preparing for the film. What the fuck was Abrams doing with his time? It just seems so fucking disrespectful to the rest of the artists and crew to be so sloppy.
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>>64472812

I expcted Han to be a fast and slick gunslinger like Jango was in Episode II; or that scene where Indie killed that sandnigger.

Instead, he just kinda stood around fired his gun nonchalantly. I get that he's old, but they could have given more effort than that.
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>>64476557
That's the thing, because Spock is so fucking perfect he IS a boring asshole!
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>>64476584
what is contrarian in having to mentally ignore a "badass blind shot" so you can go on with the rest of the movie?
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>>64476261
Practically a remake of star wars/return of the jedi, creative death, too may call backs

Script is full of gaps in logic and astronomical coincidences for the sake of convenience to the screen writer

Pacing is way too fast

Main character has all the qualities of a mary sue except that she can't be an author self-insert. Regardless the story reaps all the consequences of a mary sue.

THE BIGGEST FUCKING PROBLEM: The main characters don't have any arcs. The movie is dramatically and thematically flat. This is why everyone likes the movies yet few people love it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_arc

This is pretty much the entire point of making a movie like this. No characters are internally changed or fulfilled in a way that's meaningful to the audience.

The movie is not solid. It's well made visually most of the time, the characters are likeable and it's funny. That's all there is nice to say about it.
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>>64476635
I am sure executives have their say in the matter too
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>biggest movie of the decade, thousands of people probably worked on it
>not once did someone say 'the main character is a bit too good at everything'
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>>64476594
>I mean the technology for weapons that can block lightsabers has been around since the clone wars.

Its a simple stun baton, not a Magna Guard staff. There is NOTHING in the batons description in the SW book showing the weapons that says it is lightsaber resistant OR that it has Magna Guard staff technology.

Stop spewing this bullshit, JJ ABRAMS DIDNT USE ANYTHING FROM THE PREQUELS in TFA, so why the fuck would he have Stormtroopers using Magna Guard staffs?
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>>64472812

I hope it was another example of Harrison Ford ad-libbing. It was just his way of letting everyone know how little he gives a shit about the scene directions.
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>>64476701
>except that she can't be an author self-insert

I'm not sure this is true. No reason why JJ can't view himself as a perfect little sand waifu.
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>>64476631
did you not think it was weird that a soldier is hit when he is right next to han

even a sniper wont take out someone holding a hostage
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>>64476273
Why would Chewbacca upgrade his bowcaster without telling Han?

Why wouldn't the movie explain he has just recently upgraded the weapon and there was no battle to use it before the events of the movie, yet they had no problem to make C3PO to talk to the audience about his new red arm?
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>>64476668

Why the fuck do you have to mentally ignore that some old scoundrel who has an mutated dog with a crossbow as buddy shoots a space nazi with a lasergun without looking on a planet in a galaxy far far away?
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>>64474236
>>Kylo stopping a blaster shot mid air
I thought it was stupid myself
>>Rey driving away in her pod with the shot of the fallen Star Destroyer
pandering shot, but okay.
>>Rey eating/putting on the helmet
Found the foot cooking to be more curious then her putting on that helmet
>>the transition to the Millenium Falcon
meh
>>the blocked cannon maneuver
Meh, saw it a mile away
>>Kylo tantrum
Stupid as fuck
>>Hux's speech and Stormtroopers raising their arms
That was almost good, except that it was so over the top that I almost giggled. Though Hux was better then Kylo.
>>Kylo interrogating Rey
When he took off the mask everyone laughed there ass off.
>>Second Kylo tantrum
Double stupid fuck
>>TR-8R vs Finn
That was fun, but all of 30 seconds
>>Poe doing that killstreak of TIE fighters
That was the best part of the film.
>>Han Solo Death
done for pure shock value and really went flat afterwards.
>>Kylo vs Finn/Rey
Stupid, as a untrained folks shouldnt be able to fight a trained user. The question becomes "were do you go from here" and it builds her self up as a mary sue. Now if she held him off long enough that he was ordered to retreat to get off the planet, sure.
>>Luke Skywalker reveal
I like the walk up. It was hung for too long with the spinning camera. Looked like LoTR with it 30 endings.
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>>64476751
I'm not sure this is even a real issue
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>>64472926
>Any Star Wars
>Film

pick one
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>>64476750
That's because no one working on there has been a bitter internet nerd. Fucking hilarious how the mary sue complaints are pretty much only prevalent on 4chan.
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>>64476751
dude i dont like tfa but that's a silly complain, you dont have to go over every little canon with a comb of what technological micro details exist

someone made a batton. it was probably the coolest athletic scene
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>>64476751
They specifically mention a clone army
You're trying to hard to hate something popular
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>>64476751
This is the fucking thing you get hung up upon?
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>>64476835
It at a lot of other places. Even my date thought she was a mary sue. Now she loved it since she was perfect and needed no man. but she described her as a mary sue.
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>>64476782
because all that dog crossbow bullshit only works when done in the context of minimally relatable things.

Did you also enjoy Legolas stepping on those falling rocks?
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>>64476782
Because all fiction has rules. They can be different than our world or they can be the same, but all fiction has rules. Once the rules of your fictional world have been established, they must be respected/followed. Failing to do this reminds the audience that what they're witnessing is fiction. The fact that the fiction is silly or otherwise childish doesn't matter.
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>>64476701
How is the script full of gaps in logic? It's quite tight, there arent any plotholes.
And the pacing is pretty much ANH verbatim.
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>>64476751
There's plenty wrong with TFA but that is just ducking stupid. Anon you may be autistic.
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>>64476751
...but in the movie, they obviously show it does have magna gaurd staff technology.
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>>64476426
Perfection isn't the only quality of a mary sue

Everyone important likes the mary sue, and the story revolves around the mary sue

Kirk and Spock can't stand each other, which pretty much saved the movie. Also spock isn't the main character, which also saved the movie.

Rey is worse than spock because the story revolves around her, everyone likes her, the villain is obsessed with her for seemingly no reason, and she never struggles internally or with obstacles, she's good at everything and handles everything by herself.

Rey is an elevated level of what the fuck for JJ
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>>64476751
jesus lord TFA is fucking horrible, but this is your problem man?
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>>64476668
>Episode I: Jar Jar, with a blaster accidentally stuck in his foot, proceeds to destroy several droids from the enemy army while swinging

>Episode I: Anakin, while sitting in a ship and trying to use its shooters to destroy some droids, ends up flying it out of the planet, destroying several enemies, end up in the droid control unit and destroying it, while the actual army in charge of doing it failed

>Episode IV: Luke, advised by a ghost, uses the force to align a shot that follows the outline of the Death Star and suddenly enters a hole, leading straight to the core, destroying it

Yeah, it's probably this movie that features impossible stunts.
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>>64476891
Yeah and that shot is within the rules established for Han Solo. A badass smuggler.
I bet you it would have perfectly fitted in the OT too.
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>>64476598
Neither Star Wars or Empire Strikes Back had such big plot holes or weird scenes that makes you scratch your head for weeks after watching them.

The closest to it is Leia allowing the Empire to track the Falcon to Yavin IV, but then you could argue there was no way they could buy or request a clean ship in another planet, since the entire Empire is looking for the Falcon.

Whereas since Return of the Jedi the franchises have sloppy, lazy stories were pretty much nothing makes sense.
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>>64476460
ANH and Empire weren't mindless action movies.

There's actually a lot of melancholy and expression in those films.
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>>64476948
you're citing jar jar and kid anakin to defend your movie

>it was always silly now let me take this seriously
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>>64476882
>>64476891

If this is what breaks your suspension and not the gazillion of weird, random shit that takes place in the SW universe I don't fucking now what to say. I didn't now the autism was this fucking high, it's like /tv/ is /r9k/ lite nowadays.

I honestly can't comprehend how you people get upset enough to spend their free time circlejerking in their madness with other buttblasted turbofaggots. I just come here to get my daily dose of pathos in five minutes or less nowadays.
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>>64476995
No one is taking it seriously, autism. The point here is that these films are dumb and filled with magic shit in a galaxy far far away, and despite that everyone likes them, while you're whining like JJ Abrams killed your family or something.
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>>64476584
>muh buzzwords

Literally used a terrible buzzword in the line above.
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>>64477024
mate autism would be more described by not recognizing relatable human elements (or their lack)

you're literally saying "i have autism"
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>>64476993
>>64476968
The classic OT apologist.
>There's actually a lot of melancholy and expression in those films
Haha
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>>64476907
>How is the script full of gaps in logic? It's quite tight, there arent any plotholes.
>And the pacing is pretty much ANH verbatim.
umm, no, It actually much faster paced then ANH due to no "off to see the hermit" section.

plot holes
. Rey becomes nearly as effective a Force-user in a few hours as Luke Skywalker did in a few years.

ust minutes before Starkiller Base explodes, Supreme Leader Snoke tells Hux to go get Kylo Ren and take him off the planet. Unfortunately, Ren had recently (unbeknownst to Hux) run into the woods like a lunatic, leaving no information about his whereabouts. It's no problem, though, because Hux apparently has special Kylo Ren GPS and (one assumes) goes right to the spot in the middle of the forest where Ren is bleeding to death; otherwise, Ren would have died on the planet along with everybody else from the First Order.

For that matter, why is it made to seem like the entire Republic is centered in just one star system? Let alone one whose planets and moons are all visible to one another with the naked eye?

Why wasn't the Resistance able to access R2D2's data archives at any point over the course of the many years Luke was gone?

Rey says that the Millennium Falcon is "garbage" and hasn't been flown in many, many years. Indeed, it's such junk, in her view, that she won't even board it when she's about to be ripped to pieces by twenty Tie Fighters. Then she gets on board and it basically flies perfectly. So much so that it's not at all clear why no one has been flying it, let alone why its owner (Unkar Plutt) hasn't tried to sell it at any point over the past dozen years -- despite the fact that Plutt appears to live in a hovel.

Why do the Rathtars immediately kill every human they encounter -- except Finn, who is randomly dragged off just long enough to be rescued?

and so on
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>>64476948
>Episode I: Jar Jar, with a blaster accidentally stuck in his foot, proceeds to destroy several droids from the enemy army while swinging
Universally seen as shit, and mocked.

>Episode I: Anakin, while sitting in a ship and trying to use its shooters to destroy some droids, ends up flying it out of the planet, destroying several enemies, end up in the droid control unit and destroying it, while the actual army in charge of doing it failed
Universally seen as shit and mocked

>Episode IV: Luke, advised by a ghost, uses the force to align a shot that follows the outline of the Death Star and suddenly enters a hole, leading straight to the core, destroying it
Seen as the culmination of Luke's arch when he finally understands Obi Wan and lets himself feel the Force. The entire film builds toward this moment and it's seen a huge thing that is monumentally important, and the surge of emotion functions as the film's climax.

One of these things is not like the others, and the rest have always been criticized heavily. What point are you even trying to make?
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>>64472812
>six dollar tuesdays
>go see star wars for the fourth time
>leave after they leave Jakku
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>>64477070

It's the only correct one, incidently.

>>64477096
Again, relatable human elements in a fucking sci-fi space movie are a long shot to base yourself on when talking about a lucky shot - it's literally not a big deal. Autism more strongly relates to the obsession over shit people are expressing here. Letting shit slide, which no one seems to be able to do, is what the autist can't either.
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>>64476907
In Star Wars you had like 20 minutes of the droids wandering on Tatooine.
You have Obi-Wan's long conversation with Luke about his father, the Force, Leia, the Death Star and the Jedis.
You have all that time they spend on Mos Eisley looking for a pilot, then selling their car and searching for Docking Bay 94.
You have Obi-Wan helping Luke with his training.
You have all the time they spend sneaking around in the Death Star.

In TFA you don't even have a single scene of Han Solo acting towards Rey as a parental figure, and yet the movie tells us Rey looks at him like a father. The closest is Han inviting Rey to join him and Chewbie, but that's it.
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>>64477063
>autism
>>64476948
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>>64477151
>it's not dumb and a terrible excuse to finish the movie because "The entire film builds toward this momentâ„¢"
Are you George Lucas?
I could rearrange that argument to justify anything ever, moron.
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>>64475514
How is he interesting? He's a marginally better acted Anakin, still held back by the fact that his character is defined only as emotional.

His motivation isn't there, his goals aren't clearly established. He was just another undeveloped element in this mess of a movie. Like they couldn't figure out if it was about finding Luke, blowing up Death Star 3, or dealing with Han/Leia/Ren and their family problems.
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>>64477177
Wait. Are you telling me something happens after they leave Jakku?
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>>64476960
>A badass smuggler
>exits cover and instantly knows where to fire without aiming or even looking first and, of course, deadshots the bad guy.

Actually, the established rules are that only Jedi and other force sensitives can "sense" people. The argument might be made that Han has always been force sensitive and is only displaying his innate force power, but that's a fucking stretch. As it is, the scene is fucking dumb.
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>>64472812
>and you will drop your gun
That was THE moment as far as I'm concerned.
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>>64476995
IT WAS ALWAYS A KIDS MOVIE NOW STOP SAYING THIS WAS A STUPID KIDS MOVIE
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>>64477107
I'n not the other anon so GTFO.
I have also said RotJ has a terrible story with lots of plot holes. But the prequels and TF are even worse in th plot holes department.
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>>64473011
>desu posting
>opposite of fat girl
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>>64477216

this tbqh
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>>64477024
All of that "weird, random shit" follows the universes established rules, meaning that it's neither weird nor random.

Consider how you might react if Gandalf suddenly pulled an AK-47 out of his robes during the siege of Gondor and began mowing down orcs. I mean, it's all just stupid magic right? What does it matter. Well, as it turns out, it matters quite a lot.
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>prequel fans and TFA fans arguing
That special olympics quote is perfect for this. I can't tell who's baiting and who's genuine.
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>>64476907
>How is the script full of gaps in logic? It's quite tight, there arent any plotholes.

Just to name what comes to mind:

The "destiny character" just happens to be right next to the guy who has the map to luke skywalker, she just happens to find the droid first in an area full of scavengers and gets it for free, the millennium falcon just happens to be there, han solo just happens to show up right after they steal it.

The small remnants of the empire manage to build the largest weapon ever without anyone noticing, even when janitor storm troopers had the authority to leave the project planet.

Also, maybe I missed it, where did they get the plans for the star killer to analyze a weakness? Last I remember they asked finn what he knew about it, and in the next scene they have a hologram.

Then there's shit like why does the resistance trust finn? Why send just han solo and finn to disable the shield? Why send rey to contact luke? These are theory of mind leaks. The audience knows finn is trustworthy, the audience knows han solo has plot armor to a point and doesnt need help, the audience knows it's rey's calling to meet luke, but the resistance doesn't know any of this.

>And the pacing is pretty much ANH verbatim.

It's not. Watch Star Wars again. The pacing on jakku is perfect, after that, there are no "slow" scenes. Compare shit like the death star attack plan, or the rogue squadron roll call. They blurt out how to destroy the star killer, and the pre-game before the x-wing assault happens in hyperspace to "keep the energy and showrunning going".
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>>64477373
"dude everything is magic bullshit anyway, it's all shit, let me like it and stop saying it's shit"
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>>64477226
Not that anon, but the movie does build to that moment.

>Luke is introduced to the force early on
>listens to opposing opinions of the force between Ben and Han
>begins basic training but remains skeptical; continues to whine
>is about to trust his computer and fail again on the Death Star assault until Obi Wan intervenes
>succeeds and gains an understanding and appreciation of the force
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>>64477240
A Men in Black style scene is followed after it.

Also, the Falcon isn't chased by the Star Destroyer that was orbiting the planet, despite the earlier TIE Fighters didn't appear from nowhere.
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>>64476928
I love how kylo starts calling her "the girl" in this really hateful way when as far as he's concerned she should just be some random person
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>>64477385
Also what wakes up R2-D2? It's like they wrote that in, but they never had an idea for the event that would trigger it. So he just wakes up and spits out the map piece because the plot requires it.
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>>64476635
thats the impression I got. like he put no effort into it whatsoever and everyone else was too scared of losing their job to question anything
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>>64477540
The Force Awakens... R2D2 at the end.
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>>64477373

And this is equal to the most famous rogue scoundrel landing a backfired shot?
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>>64477540
Obviously Luke gave him instructions to wake up at a specific time.

>>64477385
Solo went to Starkilled to help Finn and to take his son home, like he promised Leia.
Finn lied, he said he knew everything about how to disable the thermal thing, but he only wanted to save Rey.

They only sent them because
I) It was a stealth mission, since the planet was packed with enemies and they needed to avoid being seen
II) They needed a shit ton of troops in the actual air strike

Also, it wasn't a very well thought plan, they needed to hurry the fuck up before the weapon was charged and destroyed the planet system where the resistance is located.
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>>64476193
That thing hit a speeder bike on Endor and instantly exploded it.
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>>64477670
If you mean a character(Gandalf) suddenly gaining a power/ability(an AK-47) that he has no business wielding/having, then yes. Granted it's hyperbolic, but that provides emphasis on the issue that might otherwise be missed.
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Why does pointing it out that you roll your eyes and ignore that scene makes TFA fans so mad?

It's just some silly thing you can ignore in a otherwise supposedly good overall movie.

People got really mad
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>>64477835
their love is fragile, anon

a tiny thing is a buzzkill
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>>64477670
why would Han do it anyway?
Han backfires when he's doing anything else. His body seems a little relaxed, as in "there's no potentially lethal danger extremely close".

He only does that because it's cool for the audience.

In ESB he didn't do all the close fly-bys at the asteroid field because it was cool. He did that because he was trying to escape from the imperial fleet. And even he knew it was extremely risky.

Han blind firing a stormtrooper would have been the equivalent of Han controlling one of the Falcon's turrets and firing towards all incoming TIE Fighters... except one of them, which he reserves for the ending.
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>>64477716
>Obviously Luke gave him instructions to wake up at a specific time.
This is even more stupid than Luke telepathically awakening the robot from across the galaxy. For this to work, Luke would have needed to predict, down to the day, the moment the Starkiller would be destroyed. He'd also need to predict that the Starkiller would not only exist at all, BUT destroy several planets and BILLIONS of people. That's fucking insane.
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>>64474141
>they're not geeks watching it 2 times or more
Poor normies will never know the euphoria of being a geek.
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>>64477804
No, it didn't. It hit the bike which then immediately crashed into a tree and exploded.
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>>64477926
Luke knows that history repeats itself. He probably force-programmed R2 to turn on some time after a certain number of people died.
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>>64477926
You're being a little dense anon. Luke didn't give him a date and time, gave him a specific event that would trigger his awakening. Notice that it only happened when Rey entered the resistance base.
There are theories about it but we can only know for sure when the next movies clear that up.
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>>64477835
i created this thread hoping to just shitpost and shoot the shit until later

i didnt expect to go so fast and furious
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>>64477716
>Obviously Luke gave him instructions to wake up at a specific time.

What is the point of that? How does he know when a good or a bad time to wake up is? How likely is it that he would wake up at the first opportunity they have to use the 2nd map piece?

I) It was a stealth mission, since the planet was packed with enemies and they needed to avoid being seen
II) They needed a shit ton of troops in the actual air strike

Ground troops aren't pilots and pilots aren't ground troops. In star wars, they attempt to disable the tractor beam and save the princess with no help because they were captured and didn't have that luxury. When they set out to destroy the shield generator in ROTJ, they took a team of commandos. ROTJ had shoddy writing but even george lucas gave them a feasible plan. Instead han solo and finn go on a suicide mission because that's where the writers wanted to put screen time. I can see why they did it, because in ROTJ the commandos got no screen time and actually appeared out of no where when they were needed. But it's still sloppy writing.
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>>64477804
The bikes were supposed to be cheap and eady to destroy.

Their only advantages is that they're damn fast and that they also have laser guns to use towards slower, easy, isolated targets. They certainly wouldn't last against an entire team of soldiers, and they also need to avoid blasts or traps like rope.
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>>64478126
This is the problem with TFA. Yes, most of this stuff is potentially explainable in the sequel, but its the big mysteries that should go unexplained, not less significant gaps in the plot.
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>>64475084
Thats the best part, when Finndu reveals to them how big the the new "Starkiller base"(original content donut steal) in comparison to the old death star, and everyone is like mind blown, but the fucking hologram was there the entire time, he didnt load it up or anything, why would they not know this before? Where did they get that hologram from, why would they get it, why did no one see "Oh there is the new "First order" (as if empire was redundant by now, so we need a new name riht?) building this whole planet into a 5 times death star, but then some random chink comes up with the solution as if it was nothing, and finndu says yeah there is a thermal generator, lets just do as we did 30 years before, fuck that shit up, and then Han dies and Leia doesnt give a shit and she only cares about the new girl because she never talked to her more then 15 minutes and chewie? Who the fuck is he, she doesnt even console the guy who just lost his friend of probably 40+ years? WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?

This was the worst flick ever, If I wanted to see a Marvel flick I would watch capeshit, I wanted star wars you goddamn jewish motherfucker.
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Maybe R2-D2 woke up because he's a little bitch who wants to get fucked by that little round droid; Notice how he wants his "map" filled by R2-D2v2's smaller "map" piece

R2 just wants a gay lover, no need to read anything into it

Fuck, I can't even remember if he is the one with the small piece or the large piece. Nevermind, some droid wants to fuck the other droid, no doubt about it
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>>64478428
No, R2 obviously "felt it" yknow the force awakened because some trash humper brit skank just got "le rescued"
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>>64477630
And I fell asleep.
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>>64478208
>>64478329
I find you lack of faith in Luke-sama disturbing.
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>>64476751
Its a simple Magna Guard staff, not a lightsaber. There is NOTHING in the staff's description in the SW book showing the weapons that says it is lightsaber resistant OR that it has lightsaber technology.

Stop spewing this bullshit, GEORGE LUCAS DIDNT USE ANYTHING FROM THE ORIGINALS IN RotS, so why the fuck would he have Magna Guards using lightsabers?
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you fucking nerds, this thread didnt even last 3 hours, goddammit
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After reading this thread I feel the need to watch the film again, I missed a lot of stuff it seems.

Any prediction as to when a high quality torrent will be available? I'm not gonna pay for a second ticket.
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>>64477238
>How is he interesting? He's a marginally better acted Anakin, still held back by the fact that his character is defined only as emotional.

Adam Driver was the best thing about TFA.

Prove me wrong. Rest of movie was shit.
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>>64477716
They only needed to hurry before the station destroys the planet because they allowed the Falcon (which was supposely being tracked) to join their fleet.

It's a carbon copy of its SW77 equivalent, except that it made kinda more sense back in 1977.

In the first movie, the Rebellion only has one base, while the Enpire controls everything. In TFA, the Republic capital has been destroyed, but the Republic still controls the vast portions of the galaxy. And if all their fleet were stationed in the Republic capital, they are too stupid and deserve to lose.

In the first movie, Leia, Han and Luke are completely alone in their travel towards the Rebel base. In TFA they are not.

In the first movie there was no way for Leia to carry on the plans on a safe way. She is being chased by the entire Empire as a traitor, and the Falcon and its owner are being chased too. Even if they land on a outer planet, they will put themselves on a very riskier situation. Flying straight to Yavin IV would allow the Empire to know their location, but they will allow the Rebellion to retrieve the plans, and thus make copies.

In TFA they could just have forbidden the Falcon to travel close to the Resistance planet. BB8 itself could have been taken by Leia herself and being transported on Leia's ship, which would have been followed by a small but trusted fleet.

But in the confusion, they allowed the evil people to know the location, thus creating a fake tension.
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>>64478736
His character is literally that he's emotional. That's it. There is nothing else to him. By what possible standard do you find this interesting?
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>>64478747
Wait, was that why the First Order knew where the base was? Due to the Falcon?
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