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>Lucas shills will defend this
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http://vocaroo.com/i/s1RhKfFhpIjo
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i watched the originals like a functioning member of society
what is this scene
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>>64472646
Forced shitty CGI scene added in Hack Lucas during the Jabba's Palace sequence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgS4B_mQtvo
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>>64473062

like no one said this is a bad idea ? so cringeworthy
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>>64471381
>>64472646
It's fucking original. Lucas CREATED his won language for the sake of making a song that is sung in this language. I bet you haven't even translated the lyrics.
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>>64471693

>forgetting the chika-monkey-huuuurrrrrrrr
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>>64473109
>/tv/ contrarianism has gotten so bad that people are actually defending this
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>>64471381
Even people who like Lucas literally never defend any of the SE changes in ROTJ
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>>64471381
>there are millions of people who think the OT are some of the best films ever made

One of my friends who never saw them, and this scene reminded me that it's not worth persuading him to watch them
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>>64471693
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>>64473190
The original one, while the main puppet is really shoddy, does a great job at setting the seedy dank underworld tone of jabbas palace.

This... Not so much
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>>64473190
thats not an OT scene tho.
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>>64473226
>tfw Lucas never fixed the nip slip
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>>64473062
oh jesus fucking christ that is horrible
the parts that where meant to be watched in 3d, the stupid fucking singing, that cg animation, everything.
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>>64473183
wut
The OP's change is awfu, but the Victory Celebration song + montage (minus Hayden) actually ends the movie WAY better than Yub Nub did.
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>>64471693

goo ne tay
ba na na na na na
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>>64473190
They're some of the best action adventure movies ever made.
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>More sexy twi'lek action.
>Bad.

Pick one.
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>>64473312
I grew up with the SE, and watching the ot originals for the first time before TFA, I hinestly perfer yub nub. For some reason it just works
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>>64473312

This. I felt the new music was more cinematic and joyous, signifying the end the series and the success of the characters

Yub Nub just felt lacking
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>>64473376

But the jungle music in the SE is so soothing
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>>64471693
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>>64473312
I agree. It's still underwhelming, but way better than fucking Yup Nub.
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>>64473376
We're probably the only ones here who prefer Yub Nub
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>>64471693
I clicked on this thread specifically for this
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>>64473312
>>64473312
>>64473397

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II04E2GEJG8

Feels peaceful man
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>>64473301
Whats even better is 3D wasn't really a thing when jedi was re-released.
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>>64471381
It's pretty cool, as are the ewoks.
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>>64471693
good

good
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>>64471693
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>>64473376
For me it's the opposite. I grew up with Yub Nub, and Victory Celebration blew me away.
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>basement dwelling fucks think they have a right to dictate his artwork

Holy fuck, the entitlement.

If you were given a delicious, wonderful cake from someone, and then the next one they gave you was slightly altered a tiny bit, would you turn around and have a fucking autism breakdown in front of them? Because that's literally what you're doing when you attack Lucas for HIS WORK.

Go back to reddit, seriously.
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>>64473467
Really? I had no idea when this was re released since i only recently made any attempt to slightly try giving a shit about star wars.
So they didn't even have an excuse with the 3d gimmick.
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>star wars 4
George Lucas is the master of oversimplification. All the characters in Star Wars are terribly black and white and not a single one even remotely leans towards the second dimension. The cheap trick to use plain text as exposition for the upcoming events is a slap in the face of cinema. The entire purpose of film is to convey stories through dialogue and images.Lucas doesn't get that.His writing skills are pre-school.
>star wars 5
The most over rated movie of all time. Pseudo nerds will have you believing that george lucas ruined this movie that was once so great even though they probably didnt even see the original version until after the new ones came out. You can find these geek posers at your local comic cons repeating everything plinkett says wearing there han shot first shirt thinking they sound like they know what there talking about, but take it from me these movies are on par with bollywood scifi shit dont waste your time.
>star wars 6
Let's see, for an adventure, the pacing is mostly off, with lots of periods where nothing happens, and even the action scenes are nothing special. The plot also seems fairly contrived. Say, since this is the final battle between good and evil and all that, the emperor's preparations seem fairly rushed. You'd expect more care to have been taken in keeping that shield intact, for example. Also, since his grand scheme is to turn Luke Skywalker to the dark side of the force, isn't he trying to kill him too soon after Luke offers some resistance?
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>>64473503
Its more like the chef comes out and starts shitting on it, we tell him to stop, and he sells it to disney.
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>>64473503
>literally takes a dump on a beloved franchise
>you're not allowed to criticise him for it
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Literally the only good change to the OT was casting Ian McDiarmid as Palpatine
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>>64473529

So then that's HIS PREROGATIVE

Do you have any idea how much blood and sweat and tears he gave for this?

Of course you don't, because you've never accomplished anything in your life.

What gives you the right to criticise his decisions about his own piece of work? I don't DEMAND that you take a shower and go get a job.
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>>64473580
>>64473503
George pls
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>>64473580

Because you don't fuck with a work of art faggot, even if you are the creator. Lucas is a manchild who never properly grew up so he doesn't understand that.

You think DaVinci went back to edit the Mona Lisa multiple times after he finished it?
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>>64473623

It's his work of art, what are you not getting? He could replace the entire original reels with jar jar pictures for all I care. It's his decision.
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>>64473580
>blood and sweat and tears
>stands around with coffee cup all day sperging out at actors and graphic designers for not doing his bidding
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>>64473673
shut up retard
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Daily reminder RoTJ is the best movie in the saga
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>>64473503
I wouldn't be upset about the cake because there is probably a ton of places for me to get some. My problem is, I cant see the movies in the original form. The originals are rare to find on dvd so I'm forced to watch it on a vcr. That should not be the case. Lucas can edit the movie all he wants, I dont care about that. But to make the originals unavailable to find on dvd or blu ray isn't fair.
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>>64473776

>WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA GIVE ME THE RECIPE YOU FIRST CREATED BABY WANTS CAKE WAAAAAAAAA
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>>64473730
If you don't think Episode V is the best movie in the saga you're literally a contrarian cuck who's terrified of having an opinion because it resembles your precious "le reddit meme" too much
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>>64473062

this video is irrevocable proof all lucas apologists are redditors
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>>64472646
sorry to disapoint you, but most functioning members of society don't even know that there are different nerd wars versions out there.
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>>64473248
But it is
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>>64473807
nice try kid
3/10
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>>64473503

Can you name 5 actual improvements due to Lucas' editing?

The problem isn't that he's doing it. He's entitled to that because its his work. The problem is that his edits are unnecessary and sometimes downright comical (See OP)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3u70WELSEg

Perfect example of an unnecessary edit
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>>64473458
>ywn have an edit of the SW trilogy that has no changes EXCEPT for replacing Yub Nub with Victory Celebration.
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>>64473989

They establish Jabba's good taste in music, it's good character developement
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>>64473989
Have you seen the sdit that has Luke screaming as he's falling in V? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaXgK5HRBjk
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>>64474027
THIS
I want this.
It makes ROTJ a much better cap to the saga.
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>>64473312
WEEESAAAA FREE
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>>64474103
That was taken back out.
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>>64474103
*scene
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>>64474107

>RotJ has a feel good feeling at the end, ties up everything nicely
>TFA shits on the OT characters hardcore

Only thing I didn't like about the new movie. Luke's life sucks, Leia's life sucks, Han's life sucks etc.
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>>64474132
that's not from the SE, it's from the DVD.
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>>64474153
Thats part of my point, there are so many versions and edits that it dont make sense that the originals aren't available. Like why not?
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Was that thing added afterwards by Lucas or was it really there all along?
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>>64471693
I fucking hate this board.
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>>64473623
>You think DaVinci went back to edit the Mona Lisa multiple times after he finished it?
the Mona Lisa was owned by someone who wasn't Da Vinca
if Lucas came into your home and edited whatever copy of the OT you owned you would have a grievance, but he didn't so you don't. If Da vinci has a painting he painted hanging in his home and he wants to paint on it he is free to do so, regardless how much some autist cares about the original.
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>>64473833
No, I just like 6 better because it's the best
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>>64471693
>chimy changa
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>>64471693
>chimichanga koolanee
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at least there are people working on proper restorations.

new version of empire soon:

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Team-Negative1-The-Empire-Strikes-Back-1980-35mm-Theatrical-Version-Release-Details-and-Updates/id/16108/page/48
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>>64471381
Jedi Rocks fits the theme of the movie as opposed to Nepti Kuck or whatever the fuck its called. The CGI still looks fine to this day and a lot better than the obvious puppets from the original version. The new alien is also ten times more of a qt3.14
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>>64474669
Is this the LD era version at least?
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>>64473527
that guy probably gets more pussy than everyone on this board combined
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>>64474706
Nepi Luk sounds like a cool post-punk disco song you'd hear at a shitty dive bar...which is was Jabba's place was. scum
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>>64474728
it's a scan of the original 35mm film.
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>>64474739
and that guy probably has more autism than everyone on this board combined (him excluded)
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>>64473527
ANH was extrememly lopsided in my opinion. No action happens until the last 20 minutes, and even then its like

>ok kill off every side character who isnt Luke Wedge or Vader

In the last 5 mins they blow up the Death star, have some sort of weird ceremony and its over.

At least ESB spreads out action across the film
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>>64474783
how the fuck did they get that?

also why is the resolution so shit?
>1280x560
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>>64474841
they bought them off ebay, it's not the negatives.

i think they are scanning in 4k, then downscale to 1080p / 25 GB.
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>>64471693
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>>64474902
>>64474783
>bought off ebay

holy shit you can find these things?
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>>64473156
Dude, imagine the bjs.
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>>64474902
So it's going to be the real original movie

the way it was intended?

IN HD?
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>>64473156
>Uses word contrarian

Confirmed for reditt masturbator.
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>>64473109
I don't believe you. It's just gibberish like all alien languages in sw are.
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>>64474512
What about a guy like me, I own the OT on vhs and have no real way of getting a high quality version. Whats so wrong asking for a release of the OT alongside the edited OT?
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>>64475045
>>64474902
Wait, nevermind, I just downloaded the preview

it looks like low res scratchy garbage

worse than an old vhs

crap
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>>64474936
yes, there's also this guy who has restored '77 star wars from a technicolor print:

https://vimeo.com/mikeverta

>>64475045
yes, these old films are damaged and faded so the detail won't be as high as the bluray. but will probably have better colors.

much better than what already exists for sure.
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>>64473183
This scene is still in this without the SE. It's not that much better, it's still dogshit
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>>64471693
Dammit, anon
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>>64471693
my fuckiny sides are at lightspeed good god
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>>64475111
true, but they have gotten higher quality reels of the films now. the empire version they're releasing is more of a test on old reels.

here's a cleaner sample from star wars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH_RejKL3UI

but yeah the detail won't be as good as the bluray.
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>>64471693
>>64473062
I caught myself whistling this at work the other day
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>>64471693
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>>64474669
Why is this better than the despecialized editions though?
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>>64475374
not necessarily better, but it will be the original with other qualities.

scenes from these restorations are used in the despecialized versions because they are much better than the dvds / laserdisc transfers.
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>>64471693
t. George Lucas
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>>64475542
>they are much better than the dvds / laserdisc transfers.
why are those bad?
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>>64473062
Twilek girls are the fucking hottest aliens ever.
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>>64473376

Yub Nub is appropriate because it's a fucking Ewok celebration. It makes sense they would play something tribal. Not to mention it's catchy as fuck.

The new track is too mellow, too boring. Characters are dancing around to a John Williams orchestration - that ain't how the shit works. Plus the added shots of stupid prequel planets, WEESA GOIN HOME, and young Anakin force ghost make it even worse by association.

Yub Nub is fine for what it is and it's not even a bad or annoying track. It's got nothing on the OP song. Just because it's the final on-screen track of the final movie in the OT doesn't mean it has to be epic.
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>>64475613
aliasing, colors, motion smearing, non-anamorphic and resolution etc.
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>>64471693
BANE?!
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>>64473288
what nip slip? im not seeing anything?
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>>64473503

I know you're baiting, but a more appropriate analogy would be Lucas baking a delicious cake with the help of more intelligent chefs and giving it to you. Then the next day, him returning with a cake that looks exactly the same, only this time he made it alone and he used salt instead of sugar.
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>>64475887
and /tv/ will eat it and pretend it's good
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>>64473062
KEK I AM DYING
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>>64471693
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>>64473226
I prefer the blue asian one myself

>pic related, it's the blue asian one that I prefer myself
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>>64471693
>all those stubs
this board is a cesspit
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>>64471693
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>>64476021
i got banned on christmas day for posting this in the sticky
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>>64471693
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>>64476102
he's singing the remade scene from star wars
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>>64471693
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s1RhKfFhpIjo
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>>64476021
Are they supposed to be wearing hats or are the special effects just failing? I know Twi'leks have fleshy tentacle things on their heads but the nigger one is obviously wearing a hat and I don't know if it's like a condom for her tentacles or the color is just fucked.
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>>64471693
another one to make that one autist mad
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>>64475623
my nigga
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>It's a posting in a Twi'lek thread thread

Here's my reply
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>>64471693
I fucking lost it at chimichanga
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>>64476186
>or are the special effects just failing?
more like the costumes
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Best Twi'lek coming through.
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>>64476116
>The moot that stole xmas
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>>64475861
It's less of a nip slip, it's more like her right tit is falling out of her costume.
It's also covered in green bodypaint and very dimly lit, so you don't see shit.
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>>64476343
is there a picture of the frame in question?
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>>64476308
Is that Brie?
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>>64476308
but thats wrong anon
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>>64471693
I wonder what was going on that anon's brain while recording this shit. I mean, the song is long enough to make you rethink some life decisions.
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>>64476444
aye darth talon a QT
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>>64476385
Sure.
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>>64476499
its very blurred, its almost like noticing that theres a hair on the interstellar camera lens throughout most of the movie
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>>64471693
>nicotiiineee
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>>64476484
damn straight
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>>64476691
>google images her
>tons of r34

nice desu ne
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>>64471381

What a great scene. Lucas is a genius

TFA sucked Rey was a mary sue!!!!
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>>64476759
I mean her design is basically asking for porn
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>>64476271
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>>64476776
>I'm gonna mix opinions I don't like with other unpopular and stupid opinions
>that will teach those faggots who hate my waifu

You're a genius anon.
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>>64473458
Anyone remember how this was used for a ytmnd fad with dead celebrities or something
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>>64476869
oh shit i rmember this
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>>64476869
There's so much money to be made off of Twi'lek realdolls
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>>64471381
It's absolutely undefendable. Even more so than TFA.
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>>64473312

This, victory celebration has the feeling of relief and joy mixed with the weight of past sacrifice and future struggle.

Yub nub is a dumb kids song sung by tiny bears.
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>>64476691
Fuck
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>>64471381
>implying a thick blue asian girl wearing almost no clothes needs defending

You might be gay bruv.
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>>64473312
Fuck that shit
>primitive midget furry nigger race
>somehow produce a more complex victory dance song than Yub Nub
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>>64477483
They're not supposed to be producing Victory Celebration.
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>>64477483
Darth Vader wasn't followed 24h by an orchestra constantly playing the Imperial March.
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>>64477625
He had it playing on his helmet's iTunes
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>>64473062
This scene was fucking hilarious.
Because of that random little alien that kept laughing.
It was basically the viewer's reaction to the whole thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Y6YfDBmh8
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5 > 4 power gap 6 > 7 power gap 3 > 1 power gap 2

This opinion courtsey of non-contrarian redditors everywhere
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>>64478194
I happen to agree, but your manner of presentation makes me want to pick out your finger nails.
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>>64471381
I was just thinking about this the other day.
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>>64478194
>dat shit reddit tier taste
>7 better than anything
Go back there faggot.
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>>64478323
I spend a lot about thinking shills on /tv/ also.
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>>64478194
>7 above anything
>NOOOOOOOOO above anything that's not 7
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>>64474669
What? Weren't the restorations released already? The despecialized editions or whatever?
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>>64478194
Actually it goes IV > V > VI >power gap > VII > power gap > 1 >3 >2
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>>64478194
>>64478612

Actually it goes III>VI>power gap>II>I>V>power gap>IV=VII
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>>64473226
I spent so much time freeze-framing this and jacking off as a kid.
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>>64473062

I forgot that Boba Fett is in that scene...just die in my sleep already
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>>64471693
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>>64478684
This guy gets it.
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>>64478194
4>5>6>2>3>7>1 t b h
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>>64478854
This guy is you, idiot
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>>64478194
I'd say

5>4>6 power gap 7=3>1 power gap 2.
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>>64478888
This guy gets it.
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>>64478684
jesus christ kill yourself.
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>>64471693
t. George Lucas
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>>64473580
Go to bed George you ruined Return of the Jedi just accept it
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>>64474706
So much wrong in one post
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How come you guys didn't buy this back in 2006? It was the only official release of the originals and was limited quantity.
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>>64473371
>>64473226
>>64478774
proto furfags, should be executed
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>>64471693
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s1RhKfFhpIjo
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>>64479167
I wasn't old enough to care.
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>>64478548
the despecialized editions are hybrids of many different versions (bluray, photos, dvds, laserdisc, cell scans) with rotoscoping edits and whatnot to make them look like the originals.

these restorations are actual scans from the 35mm films.
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Fans seem to have difficulty accepting that A New Hope and A New Hope: Special Edition are entirely different films. They have the same name, but that's fooling you.

As a basic example of what I mean, nobody looks at The Thing 1982 and complains that they colorized it and erased all the original actors. Everyone is aware that it's an entirely different film with the same name. The Special Editions are really no different. They are remakes that incorporate old footage.

This is the necessary shift in perspective, as it breaks the unending cycle of "Han shot second, but he's supposed to shoot first, but Han shot second..." - insanity. The correct response is to say of course he shoots different; it's not the same movie.

Furthermore, the existence of two versions leads to an impossible third version, as with F. Scott Firzgerald's two versions of Tender Is The Night. In other words, Lucas' true success with the Special Editions was not the creation of an 'improved' version of the films but, rather, to create multiple competing failed versions - ultimately making the statement that the rebellion itself had failed. Something went wrong even in the original Star Wars, and this problem has still not been addressed.

This was, of course, the basic impetus for the creation of the prequels: there was something wrong with the Star Wars. Even die-hard fans misunderstood the original films - and, then, didn't realize their ideology was being satirized in the prequels. It got so bad that Lucas ultimately decided that the only possible victory at this point would be pyrrhic.

If you can't take the capitalism out of Star Wars, why not just sell the whole thing to Disney?
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>>64479238
I though Lucas said he destroyed the original 35mm prints in favor of the Special Editions?
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>>64479272
the negatives maybe, there are plenty of 35mm reels that the cinemas got out there.

>>64479167
they're pretty terrible transfers unfortunately.
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>tfw have the 1995 Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back VHSs
>ROTJ is nowhere to be found
>I don't even have a VCR to play them on
Is it even worth it? Or is the picture quality irredeemable shit?
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>>64479462
Pic related.
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>>64479462
just download the despecialized versions.
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>>64479348
Oh you right it was the negatives. My bad mate.
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>>64479348
Eh they aren't unwatchable. I'd rather watch these then pull out a VHS.
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the only acceptable recreation
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>>64479261
I kinda have to say I agree with you.
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>>64479261
the problem isn't that the special edition exists, it's that it's the only version available.

if the original was available in high quality fans wouldn't be as annoyed.
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>>64479822
Hello, Reddit
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>>64479822
Dubs confirm. This really is why people are so pissed at Lucas. First he shat on the prequels and now he's pissing all over the originals with no remorse.
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>>64479822
There is literally no such thing as the original cut of the movie. The only way to recreate seeing it would be to be in a theater in 1977. Even a change like "cleaning up the film" for a Blu Ray release would make it a completely different film. Putting it on Blu Ray at all makes it a new film because it's no longer being projected through a 70s film projector.

Of course a Blu-Ray is different from a VHS, and is different from a theatrical release (not to mention radio plays, novelizations, etc.). They're different media. They have similar content, but the medium is the message - which is why the restoration edits exist.

In the case of the Special Editions, they are very different. The Special Editions are 1990s remixes with Jurassic Park CGI. They are 1990s films that reflect trends and attitudes from that period. Terminator 2 and remix albums were huge.

Also, we should note that the changes in the Special Editions are split between the 'tasteful' and the blatantly vulgar. Nobody nobody cares that the matte paintings were replaced, or that the X-Wing were CGI. Fans just want Han to shoot first so that they, like you, can go back to not caring that things are different - not being aware that things are different. So much for "the historical legacy for our children", or whatever.
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>>64479979
Reddit samefag. Guess summer came a little early this year.
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>>64479901
>lord of the rings

Hello Reddit!
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>>64480064
Sure buddy
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>>64480100
>Shit he knows I'm from Reddit *Sweats profusely, nervously and frantically tries to come up with a response* Oh I've got it! If I call HIM Reddit, then he won't know I'M from Reddit!
>>64480138
Jesus Christ, summer came way too early this year. Newfags/summerfags LEAVE. NOW.
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>>64480064
>>64479901
the fuck is wrong with you? His point is valid.
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>>64471381

Maybe I'm just a sucker for the occasional song & dance number, but I never had a problem with the "Jedi Rocks" sequence.
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