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Speculation and theories welcome
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He wasn't innocent and was found guilty in the court of law. Case closed.
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How do you explain Theresa's blood stains in the trunk of the rav4 /tv/?
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>>64468948
Killed somewhere else, driven to a burn pit, dropped off on the avery property. Much easier to carry a bag of bone dust than a dead body 40 acres away.
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>>64468892

My theory is two despicable defense attorneys tried to set free a murderer by creating a false conspiracy theory with no evidence for it at all, then cried even harder when they lost.
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Brendan :(
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>>64470188
That kid didn't stand a chance
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post you're real life crimefus.
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He didn't do it
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>>64470360
Yeah.
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it wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt, regardless if he did it or not
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>>64470075
if he killed her somewhere else why would he bring back the remains to his property?
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>>64470473
first you must roll
to pay the toll
find the hole
worthy of said poll
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>>64470597
Exactly. We know he's of low IQ but he's not that stupid. Combine that with leaving her car on his property RIGHT NEXT to a crusher and incinerator.
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He deserves life in prison for setting a cat on fire desu
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>>64468948
That's where Bobby and Scott put her after they killed her.
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>>64470677
It was fucked up but he served his time for that. 5 months is more than what most animal abusers get, which is usually just a fine.
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>>64470649
34-36 is the safest bet.

I don't know why I find it so funny that somebody made this. That was somebodies project for the afternoon.
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>>64470649
37-39 get.
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>>64470649
>Obscene communication - phone call
wonder what she said
Also I got 77 and don't understand what she did
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>>64470817
Driving while drunk and providing either fake or false identification.
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>be the county junkyard shitbag
>be last one to see woman gone missing
>bill of sale found in your apartment
>bullet with her DNA on it found in your garage
>her vehicle found in your scrap yard
>your blood found inside her vehicle
>her bones found buried in your yard
>no evidence that takes you away from scene of crime and puts someone else there instead
>judge is so unfair he dismissed 3 of your 6 charges
>your nephew says it was you

And people think he's innocent because

>frustrated cops trying to get answers from an autistic mute is bad
>it took them a while to find the key
>some cops where involved in the investigation that the defense(and no one else) argues shouldn't have been there

Nobody can put those two cops at the scene of the crime when it happened. There is no evidence that they planted the car, would have had the car in the first place, or known where it was. The only answer for the FBI test was that the fucking feds must be in on framing some junkyard dog too. And all of this suspicion because one of the detectives got a phone call about Avery and didn't write it down 10 years earlier.

They fact that people think Avery is innocent and the cops must be evil fucking pisses me off, its nigger-tier.
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>>64468948
They were his blood stains in the trunk. Not Theresa's
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>>64471444
Her blood along with her hair was in the trunk.
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>>64471444
checked

>ywn hang out with based Dean Strang and Jerry Buting
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>>64470649

I didn't mean actual criminals as such. Just you'are middle america qt white trash real crime documentaryfu desu. These solid 7/10s who are smitten with scrub losers with IQs of 70.

I would happily testiclefy at the trial of that ginger chick who got knocked up by by chemical romance guy from making a murder.

I guess the problem is keeping them not obese beyond the age of 25.
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>>64471444
Nice
Also did they ever talk about the pattern of the blood because thats really important
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>>64471573
They didn't look like normal drip or smeared blood from a cut. It looked more like it was placed by a q-tip. But he did have a big cut on his finger that was starting to heal.

I'm torn on this case.
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>>64471473

see
>>64471649
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>>64471630
how could there have been blood from a cut on his finger but no fingerprints in the car, my man?
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>>64471630
The thing is he didn't leave a single finger print in the car, which would imply gloves. That makes it doubly strange that blood from a finger cut would somehow get on the car as the cut would be covered.
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>>64471754
Believe it or not, you can cut through gloves.
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if this guy is as mentally retarded as they say he is, logically the probability of him committing crimes without realization would be high
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>>64470649
roll roll roll
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>>64471780
So you think the cut happened during the act? Seems like a reasonable assumption.
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>>64468892
Is this actually good or just being shilled by Netflix?
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>>64471885
It's pretty good but one sided.
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>>64470649
>tfw no qt psycho stalker who sends you obscene phone calls
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>>64471228
>bullet with her DNA on it found in your garage
Bullet, yes. Her DNA could have been added. But how do you explain absolutely no blood found in his garage or his trailer? yed he could have shot her/stabbed her out in the field but the dogs didn't pick up on any blood out there. Did he dig the bullet out her of head and then drop it on the garage floor as a token?
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>>64471692
I don know
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>>64471228

Ir was the same with Serial. That Adnan chap is guilty as fuck.
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>>64471831
>sticks and twigs covering the car
>not putting it through the car compactor 10 yards away
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He killed her and burned her in the quarry then placed evidence around his property that looked suspicious enough to frame the police.
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>>64472000
>Her DNA could have been added

Just stop with this tinfoil shit

>how do you explain absolutely no blood found in his garage or his trailer?

You are severely overestimating the mess that a .22 leaves.
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>>64472061
>doesn't know you have to remove the engine and other parts first
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>>64472061

They probably would have still found it and found DNA in it even if he crushed it, it would have taken them longer, that's the only difference. Also if he crushed it it there would have been no doubt that he committed the murder, most people don't know how to run a car crusher. Besides, those things make a lot of noise, how is someone going to sneak in and crush a car in someone else's scrap yard without anyone noticing?
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>>64470649
67-68 geterino
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What if he actually did it but cops knew the evidence was shaky so they planted evidence on him?
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>>64472280

Well he burnt a body without anyone noticing. He crushed cars all the time. Wouldn't have been suspicious.
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>>64470649
I wanna know 52-54 story.
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>>64472273
Was the engine removed? He would be an expert at that.
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>>64472273

Yep, fuel tank and everything. One person could do it, but it would be a pain in the ass and take quite a while. The choice between that, and simply hiding it in a remote spot in a giant scrap yard full of cars, not much choice at all.
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>>64470188
He's an innocent soul I think. Probably couldn't harm a fly.

He lost weight because kids at school called him fat. He wasn't aggressive.
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>>64472326

This is the most popular opinion around these parts.
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>>64472384

They don't crush cars unless it's already been rat fucked for parts. It's not their main source of income, but people will come in and say "Hey, got any 86' Oldsmobiles? I'm looking for a power steering pump" and then the guy will say "I dunno, take a look around" and the guy will come back with the part, haggle over the price. Once the car has nothing left to take from it, it goes in the crusher so it can be sold for bulk scrap iron later.
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>>64472181
You have a bullet with dna that shows it must have been a through and through injury. Possibly to the head according to the skull fragment found. But no blood? Could it bounce off a tarp if it was laid under her first?
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>>64471929
How is it one-sided?
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HE DINDU NUFFIN
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>>64472561

The blood was cleaned up. The point is the exit wound from a .22 isn't going to spray blood everywhere like a .45 will. They make it sound like the whole garage should have been painted with blood. It's a fucking .22, it's not even close to being considered adequate for self-defense. Just google .22 exit wounds and see for yourself.
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>>64470649

>18 year olds can get criminal records for drinking alcohol in freedomland
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So after seeing this I was recommended The Jinx and The Staircase and I really enjoyed both of them.

Are there any other similar series?

Also, Steven and Brendan literally dindu nuffin, stop being contrarian faggots
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>>64472741
why is GRRM fucking around here when he should be writing?
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>>64472947
Im not familiar with those 2 you mentioned, but I will watch.

Is it true crime you're interested in?
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>>64470649
rollin
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>>64470649
>pls give me street terrorism
>pls give me street terrorism

How do I commit street terrorism?
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>>64472987
Yeah, true crime.

Both series are amazing, I'd say they're both better than Making a Murderer. Enjoy!
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Why hasnt he been disbarred
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>>64473063
william h macy will play him in the inevitable biopic
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>>64470649
rollin
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>>64470649
roll desu senpai
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>>64470649
>tfw no criminal gf
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>>64472864
Even cleaned up blood will be detected with luminol
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>>64470649
>christie
>illegal twerk

ayyyyy
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>>64470649
Roll
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>>64470649

Its like that episode of seinfield where george dates a convict chick while shes still in prison, but loses his shit when she is about to get paroled
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>>64472864

Here is a nice example. Sometimes .22's don't even leave exit holes, they're that weak. All Steven would have had to do is stop the bleeding with some heavy duty tech wipes that I'm sure he had sitting around in that garage of his, then mop up what little blood got on the floor with some orange cleaner or some shit like that. Really not hard to imagine at all, hardly the work of a mastermind.
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>>64473158
They said bleach would clean it off enough. However, they tested for bleach too and none.
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>>64473087
Pic related for Brandon.
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>>64472537
Would Brendan have the requisite cognitive level to become a mechanic?
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>>64473038
u be wildin on dem streets cuz
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>>64473338
I was wondering if he was learning the trade yet. Usually a young man growing up in that environment would be quite proficient in auto mechanics by that age. He seems to be a victim of the times, vidya, autism, etc..

I believe he didn't partake in anything to do with Halbach.
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Even if the guy was guilty, the most disturbing part is Brendan.

He was clearly 100% innocent. He had a bogus confession, that did not corroborate at all with any of the evidence found.
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>>64473338
They said he had a 4th grade reading level yet he read Kiss the Girls. Or maybe saw the movie. I haven't read or seen either. Was that scene that he mentioned (girl tied to bed) in either?
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>>64473338

Probably not smart enough to troubleshoot and repair. Anyone can turn a wrench though. I am far from a good mechanic but I've taken apart an entire combine by myself using mostly just a set of socket wrenches. You ever see a meth addicts home where everything is torn apart? It's like that. Anyone can take shit apart, putting it back together is the challenge.
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>>64470649
rollin
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>>64470649
Eyyyyy
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I honestly dont give a fuck about avery

But c'mon, let Brendan out for christs sake. Let him watch wrestlemania f a m
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>be county who fucked over guy
>get sued
>county cannot afford it
>high up state official says "make it go away"
>police wait for someone to come to the Avery grounds
>happens to be teresa
>wait for teresa to leave
>pull her over
>shoot her in the head
>throw her in the back of her car and hide it
>call in plates like you are reading them from the back of the car when the car is supposed to be missing
>get search warrant to unprecedentely shut down avery land for 8 days
>search for forever to find "evidence" while getting evidence ready to plant (burn body & extract bullet)
>7 days into search plant evidence and arrest avery and charge with murder
>he has to drop his civil suit that would bankrupt us and make the state bail us out - we've basically already won
>oh no he has an alibi - gotta make sure he can't do this again
>arrest his alibi (Brendan)
>make him confess to things he didnt do
>no more alibi
>oh no theyve caught us not having enough evidence to corroborate the shitty confession we coerced out of Brendan
>get another confession and obtain a search warrant
>take bullet either actually used to kill teresa or take some of teresa's blood from the car and put it on the bullet
>drop it in avery's garage and say we missed it the first 20 times we searched but there it is! just like the keys! guess we're just not that good at seeing things!! XDDDD
>only requires a couple people who know what's really going on - the rest is made to look like incompetence

All in all, I think the state/counties did a good job of not losing $36 million and bankrupting the county, thus having to get bailed out by the state. Even if Avery did do it, they planted tons of evidence in an effort to make it stick so he couldn't sue again if he somehow won the trial.
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>>64473268
they even dug up the floor to check in between cracks

basically, a few from Manitowoc county got Brendan to send Calumet on a wild goose chase in the garage and then planted evidence there later (bullet with DNA) for Calumet to find.
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>>64470597
>why would he bring back the remains
Exactly, he didn't the body was planted on his property
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>>64470597

To burn the body obviously.
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>>64474032
This
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>>64474032
/thread
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>>64470649
gimme Renee
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>>64474032
>be detective
>get a call about some guy saying another guy is in prison for his crime
>10 years later answer some questions about phone call
>no chance that anyone in your dept will get fired or do time
>murder an innocent woman to frame a man because of this

do you realize how insane you sound
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>>64470649
no whammies no whammies
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>>64474032

Or the less far fetched version Steve just killed her.
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>>64474475
>Crooked cops/detectives dont exist
Ebin
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>>64474032
>>call in plates like you are reading them from the back of the car when the car is supposed to be missing
That still really bothers me.
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>>64470649
jesus
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>guy has an IQ of 70 and a history of violent behavior
>ten hours devoted to this

>people actually discussing this.
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>>64474711

Kratz pls go
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>>64474520

There is literally no evidence that the cops had anything to do with this crime other than crackpot psychology laid down by two shithead defense attorneys that went as far as questioning the validity of an FBI blood test so they could get their client off a murder charge. If the doc was eye opening about our flawed justice system, it was from showing the lengths that these snakes will go through to keep murderers out of prison, and what the victims family, sheriff's dept, special investigators, and FBI have to do to overcome their court room shenanigans.
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>>64468892
he didn't do the crime itself, but might have been involved somehow and was too stupid to realize it
He also had a history of burglary and animal cruelty, which are early signs of violent offenders. The judges and cops probably thought of putting him away early as a preemptive strike before he did end up hurting or killing somebody. Its pretty fucked up, but it happens. Don't commit crimes or associate with people who do and you wont be possibly fucked over like that I guess
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>>64474475
>ignoring Steve's $36mil lawsuit against the state.
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Andrew Colburn was so clearly lying any time he took the stand that there's no way you can believe in the Sheriff's department.
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>>64474748
>There is literally no evidence that the cops had anything to do with this crime other than crackpot psychology laid down by two shithead defense attorneys that went as far as questioning the validity of an FBI blood test so they could get their client off a murder charge.

You mean the test they stopped doing because it's so unreliable? The same test where the FBI guy didn't even share the detection parameters?
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>>64470649

whew lad
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>>64474898

DUDE WEED LMAO

qt3.14 i'd buy a bag for
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>>64472964
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>>64470649
64get
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>>64474941
LAD WEW LMAO
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>>64474032

Hello Reddit!
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>tfw discussing this show with people of average or below average intelligence in real life

fucking enfuriating
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>>64475035
hello ad hominem logical fallacy because you can't argue your own point with your pea-sized brain
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>>64470649
Maria por favor.
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>>64474876
>implying county cops will murder an innocent woman to save the state some money

>>64474894

I'll bet you wouldn't doubt the test for one second if the results had been in your favor
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>>64475159
She was already murdered and her body was in the back of the Rav4. That's why Colburn called in her plates. Burned her body, ditched the license plate, drove the car to the Avery property and buried the bone ashes...ya know what even I don't believe this shit.
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>>64475159
>I'll bet you wouldn't doubt the test for one second if the results had been in your favor

The test results were inconclusive, but the FBI agent simply lied on the stand and then even made preposterous statements about blood he HADN'T tested as well.

I think Avery is guilty of the crime, though. But the EDTA test is and was absolute horseshit.
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>>64475159
>implying cops and gov't workers aren't left high and dry by insurance plans while being put on trial for alleged misconduct.
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>>64473494
its not like james patterson novels are particularly difficult reading.

a proficient reader can blow through one of those in a few hours.

i could see brendan reading that in say two weeks time.
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>>64475241
How about that lady that looked like a toothless barfly? I thought she was another relative of Avery's but it turned out she was some kind of chemistry analyst auditor or something.
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>>64475241
>I'm an expert on FBI blood tests because I watch Netflix
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>>64475073

>being easily swayed by a dishonest documentary that omits piles of evidence
>voting to have a rapist/murderer released
>voting to have an ass baby released

Sure Kratz was a faggot, and there was foul play but the faggot is guilty and the entire family needs to be euthanized.

If you disagree you are Reddit incarnate.
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>>64475377
I'm an 'expert' on EDTA tests because this was covered heavily in the documentary series. Like this >>64475333 toothless barfly chemist said, if you don't disclose the detection parameters, nobody can see if you were actually looking for EDTA or if you just kept your parameters so shit you were never going to find EDTA anyway.

But apparently you didn't pay attention during the series and this part went over your head.
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>>64475398
>frogposting
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Steve was pretty obviously unhinged, that whole family were criminals/in-breeders, no surprise everyone hated him

but there is no way the jury should convict him: the prosecution never present a reasonably story for the murder, and never investigate anyone but steve (like the incredibly suspicious boyfriend and brother)
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>>64475257

You cannot prove in court that they purposefully framed him the first time. All you can prove is that they got the wrong guy, and they already did that. You can give Stevey some money for the inconvenience, but you cannot charge the officers with anything.
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>>64475509
but you can SUE them for punitive damages, setting a legal precedent that if ANYONE does it again (knowingly ignores other leads to "just get it over with"), they'll face the same kind of suit that will be even easier to win.
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>>64474032

won't it cost millions to imprison two people for life?
If it's like $60k to imprison somebody per year and their combined sentence is likely to end up being about 100 years then that is $6million or more.
Wouldn't it be more cost efficient to just make a deal with Avery to pay him like $4million instead of risk this conspiracy, maybe the money would come from different places, i dunno.

alternatively if they were going to frame him, there's easier ways.
>shoot Teresa as she's leaving the property
>drive her car back to his trailer, with her body in the back
>honk the horn
>if Avery looks through the window he'll think she just came back because she forgot something and go to the door
>shoot him in the doorway
>carry Theresa through to the bedroom and dump her on the bed
>put the gun used to kill Theresa into Avery's palm on your way back out to the car
>park up her car somewhere
>cop buddly accomplice drives up in patrol car
>call it in, optionally do a bit of acting that they just stopped by Avery's place to ask him if he'd seen her then he got out a gun and they had to neutralise him
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>spend 18 years in prison for rape
>be released
>be inbred retard fuck up
>woman goes missing after visiting your house
>body is found burned 20 yds outside
>car is found on property
>inbred retard blood in car

>supposedly was home in paper-walled trailer while someone parks car in junkyard not accessible to public, and destroys body 20yds outside bedroom window

He was guilty as shit, but the local PD fucked up the investigation beyond belief and he shouldn't have been convicted.
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>>64475644
>spend 18 years in prison for rape

Did he really, though?

How do you count sentences? Do you start serving the lowest sentence first? Then he would have spent the first years in jail because he owned an illegal firearm, not the rape.
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>>64470649
I love the sass on some of these broads. This ain't their first rodeo. ROLLING!
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>>64475700

topkek lad
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>>64475700
FUCK!!!!
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>>64475431

So a federal agent on the outside of an investigation with no connections to anyone involved is going to falsify a blood test and lie about it under oath in a state case because...?

Just like the bullet DNA test, either you think its a giant conspiracy, or literally everyone involved didn't know how to do their specialty jobs, at all. And somehow this is easier to believe than what a judge and jury was convinced of, as well as the appellate courts and supreme court. Just stfu.

>be last one to see woman gone missing
>bill of sale found in your apartment
>bullet with her DNA on it found in your garage
>her vehicle found in your scrap yard
>your blood found inside her vehicle
>her bones found buried in your yard
>no evidence that takes you away from scene of crime and puts someone else there instead

muh conspiracy
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>>64475767

or the test was just flawed, they had to create a test from scratch for it and we're hardly dealing with nasa here
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>>64470649

rollin
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>>64475767
>So a federal agent on the outside of an investigation with no connections to anyone involved is going to falsify a blood test and lie about it under oath in a state case because...?

Because the prosecution never gives a shit about guilt, they care about winning the case. This FBI guy probably did this a lot. Something similar happened in the West Memphis 3 case where some expert on the prosecution's side just made up countless stories to win cases (not just the west memphis 3 case).
It's not some big conspiracy and they probably don't even intend any malice, it's just how the judicial system works.

You can read a few posts up that I'm not claiming Avery is innocent or that he's getting framed at all.

I'm just saying that the EDTA test was bullshit, nothing more, nothing less.
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>>64475744
>mfw it's russell
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>>64475847

And the only argument the defense had against them creating that test was it didn't take them as long as they thought it would, and proceeded to cry about how the FBI is more likely to help out the prosecution than the defense.
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>>64475767
I believe the defense team said they didn't trust the FBI to handle the testing anyways.
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>>64470649
Rollan
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I don't even have to watch this shit to know it's just like the "Serial" podcast where some dumb broads make an emotional appeal about how handsome some dumb nigger is and he dindu nuffin wuddin hurt a fly he was gettin his life together type bullshit.

Anyone thinks these niggers are innocent are some fucking coalburner sluts who run on emotion and not cold hard logic. Women are the enemy of justice and shit, I would love to see a poll of what people think after listening to Serial/watching this making of a murderer trite shit, I bet you women overwhelmingly think they baby innocent because they are easily manipulated.

After 5 minutes of Serial I knew that Syed nigger was guilty as fuck. Same shit here. It's just "good boy dindu nuffin" hysterics into the sunset of all things good about civilization; rule of law, property rights, freedom– all these things must be subordinate to muh feelings and muh pussy juice.

Fuck living in 2016.
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>>64470649

>tfw gravitate to the tranny straight away
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>>64476019
damn dude you clearly have mommy issues and didnt watch this show
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>>64475995

Because they knew the FBI would prove their retarded conspiracy theory to be false. They were scared shitless when the FBI got involved, and rightfully so.
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>>64475958
What is so difficult to understand about the detection parameters being shit?

Let's say that I try to find one of your hairs in your room.

>The diameter of human hair varies from .017 to .18 millimeters (0.00067 to 0.00709 in)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair#Description

Let's take that as gospel truth for the sake of argument. Now I am going to look for hairs in your room between .008 and 0.095 mm in diameter.

I did not find any hairs in your room of that size, and I subsequently state that I believe to a certain degree of scientific certainty that there were no hairs of yours in your room.
But I never disclose the details of my detection parameters.
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>>64476065
The FBI's mindset is typically "why are you wasting our time with your stupid podunk little town investigation - here are your stupid results leave us the fuck alone now"
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>>64475767

Imagine if someone else was convicted of this murder. You could make a 10 hour documentary pointing the finger at Avery and the witch hunt would be after him.

There's more than enough evidence for me to find him guilty.
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>>64476127
a lot of evidence on Avery's property does not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was the one that did it

no vicitim's blood/DNA anywhere on his personal belongings or on the property other than the burned body and lone bullet that they fucked up the test on
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>>64476127

i think he probably did do it

but that doesnt mean you can convict him for it, the jury didnt understand 'reasonable doubt' though
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>the police fucked up the investigation so bad that nobody can really conclusively say whether or not avery is guilty

imagine he actually did it and might get out because the investigation was so screwed up
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>>64475767

>be last one to see woman gone missing
Yes

>bill of sale found in your apartment
Yes

>bullet with her DNA on it found in your garage
After how many searches?

>her vehicle found in your scrap yard
Why ditch the vehicle in the scrap yard when you have a fucking crusher that you have plenty experience operating right in your property? How easily two women found the car and conveniently had a camera that day too (through her ex-boyfriend's involvement) doesn't strike you as weird?

>your blood found inside her vehicle
And none of her own. How the fuck is that even possible

>her bones found buried in your yard
They were. Now why would he try burn the bones out in the yard when he had a fucking smelter on his property

>no evidence that takes you away from scene of crime and puts someone else there instead
We don't even know where the scene of the crime was. The prosecution first said the bedroom then the garage depsite there being absolutely no evidence of either. That and the timeline is fucked too because of Scott's bullshit testimony and the shit policework.

There's enough reasonable doubt not to convict him. Maybe he did do it, maybe. In fact I think he did. But that ruling was complete horseshit.
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>>64476209

he SHOULD - it's innocent until proven guilty beyond ALL REASONABLE DOUBT

they didnt have concrete evidence.. this was all circumstantial and the retards on the jury don't understand what that means

an innocent verdict would mean the police would need to get better at their jobs - this verdict means they don't have to
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>>64475767
>>bill of sale found in your apartment
Do those usually have a carbon copy attached to it?
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>>64476019
>about how handsome some dumb nigger
>Anyone thinks these niggers are innocent

Syed is a pakistani muslim dumb-dumb, his former friend (Jay) who got him in jail is black. Jay has a ridiculously inconsistent testimony and the jew hostess even made a point of saying the Baltimore jury probably believed him because he was a polite black kid.

Do more than 5 minutes of research before aggressively dismissing something next time.
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>>64475509
But you can prove misconduct as law enforcement repeatedly ignored Gregory Allen possibility.
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>>64470649
Fuck I hate this place and yet here I am rolling to see what the roulette wheel doesn't even actually give me.
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I just noticed that Brendan's mom's boyfriend was trying to hide a smile when the judge read Brendan's guilty verdict. I always thought he was fishy as fuck.
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>>64476477
I didn't like him or Brendan's beefcake brother.
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>>64476199

Does anyone understand reasonable doubt? It's up for the jury to decide.

I was on a jury that convicted a man of murder. He claimed self defense and we had to decide between man slaughter and murder. We could never know for sure if it was self defense or not. There is always going to be some degree of doubt.
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>has an IQ of 70
>implying hes even capable of understanding he committed a crime or why hes being punished.

He closer to a gibbon, intellectually, than he is to the average person.
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>>64470649
lauren pls
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That pardon petition is already up to 200,000 signatures.
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>>64476587
So what? All that proves is that in the same way that the media can make an accused person look guilty even before the trial, a documentary can make tons of people believe someone is innocent
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>>64476587
Pretty sure the President can only pardon federal crimes.
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>>64468892
absolutely horrifying
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>>64476622
I have noticed that the majority of people commenting on the case on social media (mostly fb) are pretty illiterate themselves.
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>>64476628
>A federal murder charge can occur when the underlying felony that led to the victim’s death is rape,

2 bad that charge was dropped i guess XDDD
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>>64476531

the problem here is that we dont know how he killed her, where he killed her or why he killed her, the prosecution's story is not supported in fact at all

this is the stuff they need to prove, or there is reasonable doubt
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Steven definitely did it. Dumbass retard was brought in to help the fucking idiot. He doesn't even know how to tie his shoes. Crooked cops planted evidence. Now NYC lesbians are making bank off you dumbasses. You're a bunch of Brendans.

Yeah?
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>>64476536
74, sir, your allegation that the government would ever try a retard for murder is offensive, outrageous, and absolutely disgusting. you should be ashamed for the terrible damage you've done by saying these words. the government officials involved in this case have little children and shit. how can you do this to them. tfw retard should burn in hell and i'd do it myself... you are a bad person for mentioning his iq.
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>>64476719
>doesn't understand the concept of reasonable doubt
>thinks a crime without concrete evidence, corroboration, or even a motive constitutes "beyond all reasonable doubt"

who's the brendan now?
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>>64476719
the jury are the real brendans here
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>american police will never have to be open to investigation and scrutiny
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>>64470649
>illegal twerk
wot
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>>64472947
Try The Thin Blue Line or if you want your cases bite sized try The First 48.
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>>64476764
>>64476811
Yeah then.
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>>64476865
tfw unsafe all the time
we're on a giant rock in space spinning around a huge as fuck fusion reaction surrounded by infinite unknowns
no to mention we're the recent descendents of animals who eat shit for fun
like, why do you expect to feel safe?
why are you fucking entitled to feel safe.
>>64477008
wot
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>>64477041
even though we are on a giant rock in space spinning around a huge as fuck fusion reaction surrounded by infinite unknowns, it's the bisexual muslim trans women of colour who have it worst
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>>64470649
let's roll
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>>64477076
sounds like some fallacy of relative privation
my maid served my tea too hot and i almost burned my tongue this morning
i think i have it pretty damn bad and the trans* mudslime should stop acting like it's life is that much worse
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>>64476262

If jurys did it beyond all reasonable doubt without any personal feelings swaying them half the murderers in the country would be on the street
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>>64476764
>>64476811

Yeah but so...
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>>64477176
burden of proof etcetera
go move to afghanistan or something if you don't like the american way
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>>64477213
...?
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>>64470649
>obscene phone call

Haha
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>>64476719
>>64476811

>They replied

Jesus Christ could make an attempt to help their cases? Keep proving people right you mongs.
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>>64476234
>There's enough reasonable doubt not to convict him. Maybe he did do it, maybe. In fact I think he did. But that ruling was complete horseshit.
The only reasonable response. Unfortunately, just like the police, the film makers presented a case JUST one-sided enough to call their credibility into question.

>look at this good ole family
>he's just trying to get his life together
>ignore allegations of sexual assault and other damning evidence
>Look at this pervy DA, he totally sexted people HAHA
>We had to show this because it was "totally relelvant."
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>>64477176

nah, usually the evidence is over-whelming

if this was like 99% of cases his bedroom / garage would have been full of her DNA and that would be that
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>>64470649
most of them are cute, lets do this
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>>64477221

What happened is the American way though, it's what happens in all real cases

In reality beyond reasonable doubt is a term used for 50/50's , not 95/5's
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>>64477343
It's funny that the filmmakers became participants in the same spectacle they clearly despise so much.
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>>64477400
aw fuck
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>>64475398
nice b8 fellow redditor 1 upvote ^ for you! haha
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>>64477329
okay brendan
you can play your playstation all you want now
good job
>>>/v/
have fun
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>>64470649
senpai pls
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>>64470649
let's go migga
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>>64476234

Car crusher question has already been answered ITT, simply put it is nowhere near as convenient as you morons think it is
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>>64470649
rollang for russel desu senpai
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>>64471228
>judge is so unfair he dismissed 3 of your 6 charges

because those charges were made through brendan but the prosecution didn't even use his testimony in the case.
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>>64477784

So the judge was fair and did the right thing, glad we agree
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>>64477860
the prosecution dropped the charges - the judge didnt just decide to throw them out
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tfw this documentary made me question the zimmerman verdict
anons, pls give me my faith back in the american legal system
if steve didn't do it maybe that means zimmerman did ;_;
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>>64477971

Wrong
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>>64478045
zimmerman absolutely did it

american system is fucked and it's REALLY FUCKING COMMON to coerce young people who are borderline or straight up undiagnosed retarded into confessions for crimes they didn't do in order for cops / prosecutors to get their win rates up
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>>64478045
obama did 4/20 tho
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>>64478045
The whole point of the legal system is that if youre not sure if the people in question are guilty or not, they shouldnt be convicted.
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>>64478191
how barbaric
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>>64478045
Watch Zimmerman's trial. It was clear it was self-defense.
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>>64478169
>zimmerman absolutely did it
proofs?
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>>64478230
as we all know
the american legal system only needs to prove that it's possible a crime was committed to be convicted of a crime
i think anon earlier cited the precedent that if you're 50/50 on something you're 100% guilty. he is eligible for jury duty, after all. he can decide somebody's guilt.
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>>64478045
zimmerman shot the guy, yes. In self defense. If a guy is beating you up you can shoot him (in Florida at least)
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>>64472391
It depends on the style of car crusher. In a flattened for example you just have to drain the fluids, which you can do by punching holes in the tanks.
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>>64472181
You're underestimating the amount of blood. Plus the prosecution claims she was shot multiple times.
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You know...those two cops finding that key on like, day 5, even though they were from Manitowic County and should have even been there sort of fucks everything up.

There is no way in any sense of any world where you can search a building for days and then, suddenly, find something in plain sight like that.

Also the officer that found the key was someone who was just about to stand trial for being culpable to Steven's wrongful sentencing.

That key fucks the entire thing up so bad. I don't know if he did or did not do it but the personal vendettas of a small town government probably made it impossible to ever find out actually what transpired.
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i hope ya'll get the message here
have an alibi at all times
i'm going to start streaming myself on webcam 24/7 to ensure my freedom
>>64478541
some of those reporters though... oh jeez
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>>64478441
>there's no way it could take them days to find a needle in a haystack
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>>64478441
don't forget they did the exact same thing with the bullet

6 months later after finding nothing after 8 days of searches in the garage, they go back and immediately find a bullet that they "overlooked"
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>>64478675
this is a good point :^)
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>>64478436
>she was shot multiple times

With a .22
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>>64476753
Kratz pls go.
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>>64478732
>letting yourself get killed with a .22

bitch deserved it
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>>64478741
no
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>>64478675
>key out in the open in a bedroom that was ground zero of the investigation.
>needle in a haystack.

Lenk, plz
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I think Steven did it but the cops also planted the key and possibly the blood to guarantee a conviction
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>>64478803

It wasn't ground zero until Brendan's confession, the whole property was under search before then especially considering that's where they found the SUV and bones. You really think its odd that it would take them days to complete a thorough search of a fucking junkyard?
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Non-Americans, how would this trial fly in your country?
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>>64478436
And stabbed. And her throat cut. Yet no blood, anywhereeeeee
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I think the Midwest is filled with a bunch of well-meaning morons who are just as easily taken advantage of as the Southern mongoloids and the coastal Big City shit-for-brainses. Even if this dude murdered that chick--which he very well could've--the evidence didn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. I hope Scott Walker continues to gut the state.
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>>64478793
The Prize
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>>64472651
because it favors one side of the story
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>>64479000
Trips decides.

Walker continues to sell the state out.
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>>64478541
god her hair was so silky soft looking
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>>64478940
His bedroom obviously has priority over the rest of the junkyard.
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>>64478961
No idea. We don't have jury's.
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I kept waiting for the "no resemblance to any persons living or dead". The police fabricated a story, got caught, then fabricated some more. They bullied a 16 year old into confessing to things he couldn't have possibly done. Steven and Brenden have the combined IQ of a ferret. They were both taken advantage of. This is why people hate the police.
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>>64479078
What would happen?
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>>64479057

No it doesn't. There was no reason to suspect the crime was committed in the bedroom until much later.
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>>64478981

Brendan's (most likely) exaggerated story. Also just because there's no blood doesn't mean there never was.
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>>64478961
gurmanji here. pretty shure he would be acquitted.
and even if not he'd only get like 15-20 years for murder at max, especially after his first trial being a giant fuckup
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>>64479174
>just because there's no blood doesn't mean there never was.

nothing indicated scrubbing of anything - they go over this in the show

pay more attention
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>>64479174
Don't forget they cut her hair too! There should be strands of it everywhere.
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>>64479078
Our law system is kinda different. Whether the accused is guilty is decided by the judge.

But I think, even if he were found guilty, he wouldn't get a life sentence. Here were I live, I'm guessing he would get 10 years at most. But then again this is a unique case, so I dunno.
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>>64479144
jesus christ are you stupid.
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>>64479131
>>64479249
Oops.
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>>64477299
WRESTLEMANIA
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One of the biggest inconsistencies is if he and the 'loid went through enough trouble to clean up every speck of evidence of that chick from the alleged murder sites (whichever one, depending on which trial you want to reference), how could they be so careless to just leave blood stains in the goddamn victim's vehicle? I know that we're not working with masterminds here, but come on, consistency.

I want someone who believes he did it and deserves the sentence to post video, articles, etc. that counter the defense's evidence, anything that someone would say "the biased documentary didn't cover". WHAT didn't they cover, and where can I find it? Because I'd like to give this an open-minded look, even if I inherently distrust the criminal justice system, small town politics, and self-proclaimed "good Christians" like the mouth-breathers in WI.
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What was Steven's motive supposed to be?
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>>64479216
> there's no evidence that Steven ever cleaned his house

There's no evidence that Brendan had ever stepped foot on his property in his entire life either. Yet we know that's not true.
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>>64479414
Little town blues
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>>64477299
damn that wrestlemania watching nigga got fat
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>>64479414

>be the county scumbag
>inbred and borderline retarded
>throw cat in bonfire
>expose yourself to women
>spend 18 years in prison with rapists and killers
>get out
>be all alone with purdy lady

>what's the motive
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>>64479649
I missed the first half of this series since my wife started it without me. I came in somewhere just before Avery's trial, so I barely got to see him speak.

Did he come off as a dumb lunatic? I couldn't read him during trial, though I could barely sense any anger on his face toward the cops who allegedly framed his ass. If I legit thought that, I'd probably be fuming at them during their testimonies.
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>>64479728
so whats your alibi for the first half of this series?
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>>64479728

He has an IQ of 70 m8. I think Brendan's was 73. He is a dumber version of Brendan with more street smarts and experience.
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>>64479763
I was watching my wife's son because she wanted to watch alone.
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>>64479307
>>64479499
what exactly did he say about wrestlemania?
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when you interrogate a 16 year old and give him the options of "answer this question with a no and you get life in prison, but answer this question that I want you to say yes to with a yes and I will help you" it is a fucking farce
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>>64479324
>counter the defense's evidence

There is no evidence to counter, only speculation and cheap psychology.
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>>64479763
Blowing her off to code.

I have no drive to go and watch the beginning of it. Hell, if anything, I'm a little bit less biased as I just came in for the court stuff (granted they were still framed within the context of the guy's being set up by law enforcement). But really it's just a depressing mess that I don't really care to sit through. The dude probably did it, but the prosecution had a shitty case.
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>>64468892
Steven is guilty as hell and should rot, only hipster faggots think otherwise.
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>>64479896
why did he kill this chick though?
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>>64479879
>cops trying to get answers from an autistic mute is bad

What should they have done, Columbo?
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Brendan was just acting stupid. He knew he would be implicated in the murder at some point so he got in early with an insane confession which he knew there would be ZERO physical evidence for. Knew rape and throat slitting would leave shit loads of physical evidence so cooked that up, just to make it extra absurd.

In reality he was involved, but they just shot her.

Unfortunately he didn't factor in the stupidity of the jury to his master plan and got bum raped by the system anyway.
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>>64479954
how about not get nonsense answers from a retard?
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How the fuck did the judge buy Brendan's story? Perhaps the documentary coloured my view, but I thought it was pretty obvious from the tape that the two agents were pretty much forcing their story on him, intentionally or not.
Did the documentary omit anything?
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>>64479895
>prosecution had a shitty case

>>be last one to see woman gone missing
>bill of sale found in your apartment
>bullet with her DNA on it found in your garage
>her vehicle found in your scrap yard
>your blood found inside her vehicle
>her bones found buried in your yard
>no evidence that takes you away from scene of crime and puts someone else there instead

Tell me what a strong case looks like, Matlock
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>>64479860
He was in police custody confessing to murder and he asked his mom if he'd be home in time to watch Wrestlemania. He had no clue what was happening to him.
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>>64479954
>>64480037
chief
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>>64479967
I have an IQ of 133 and I am not smart enough nor have the foresight to confess to ridiculous shit like that
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>>64479998
how about never fucking replying to me again unless you're contributing to the thread
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>>64480113
how about you put your mouth on my cock
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>>64480008
Some evidence, like Stevens sweat under the hood and theresa filing reports that steven had creeped her out during a previous visit
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I think Bobby and Scott raped and killed her then framed Avery. It was a planned attack knowing Halbach was coming that day. I bet they convinced Brendan to tell the police he had a bonfire with Steve that night. But Brendan is so retarded he went and made up a whole bunch of shit.

Colburn finds the car during and illegal search. He calls it in before realizing he's not allowed to be searching the property. He then tips off the girl who goes and finds it to make it look legit.

Keys and bullet were planted by the police.
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>>64480037

>Circumstantial
>Circumstantial/planting
>Planting/Shoddy lab work
>Circumstantial (it IS a scrap yard)/planting
>Planting
>Planting
>Circumstantial

The defense argued well against all of those points. How can he be so stupid that he left his blood in the car, didn't crush it, and didn't remove the evidence but he was able to wipe down 1-2 rooms FILLED WITH REDNECK GARBAGE TO THE GILLS (i.e. thousands of niches in which bodily debris can get stuck)?

Seriously, look at those shithole areas, so many places in which bodily fluids, skin cells, hairs, etc. could go flying, drop, blow into, etc. and not a goddamn shred of DNA evidence except for what's on a single spent round that he didn't think to remove?

He's both the best and the worst crime scene wipe-down guy in the biz, pham.
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Just finished it.

The kid is in so clearly over his head. How is it right, let alone legal, to question a literally retarded minor without any supervision several times while they goad him in to telling them their own rendition of the story. Then when he changes his story every single time he is questioned they still can't see that the kid is not a credible witness? What the fuck?
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>>64479998

>be detective investigating homicide
>hear from girl that cousin was involved with your only suspect

>don't bother questioning him, he's retarded

Not sure I agree with your police work there, Lou
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I think the biggest indicator to me that Steven is guilty is that the police would have done such a poor job framing him.

They could have planted so much more evidence if they had Halbach's body and car available.

Police know how the investigations will be done, how people usually dispose of a body.

They could have painted their own magical crime scene with the time they had alone on Avery's property.

t. ken kratz
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>>64480457

Not literally retarded. He was in "mostly regular" classes.
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>Fine, I raped and murdered her. Can I go watch wrestling now?
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>>64480623
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>>64480623
Pretty much how it happened. The kid cowers to adults and is given promises that if he confesses he can go home and he won't be in trouble.
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>>64480541
It was said that he was between 73 and 69 through multiple IQ tests. That is well below average and anything below 70 is classified as impaired and/or mentally retarded.
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>>64480266
>The defense argued well against all of those points

Not well enough, apparently. In any case, someone's gotta pay for this crime. There is much less evidence to convict the police than there is for Steven. How do you reconcile this fact? Would you lock them up on what would clearly be a much weaker case?
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>>64480716

Point is he's not full potato. He can read and write ffs
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>>64480881
chimps can read and write.
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HURR THE BLOOD WAS PLANTED - Retards, 2016

How the fuck can you explain away Avery's sweat DNA being found on the lever that adjusts the seat?
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>>64480848
>In any case, someone's gotta pay for this crime
Thats Insane, soviet union type thinking anon. If you cant prove who did it you still think someone must be punished just because?
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>Stephen Avery on the road to a 40M dollar settlement with the
>"hey why don't we just put him in prison again"
>arrange the girl to be murdered and disposed up for a nominal fee
>police seize his property for 8 days while they plant all kinds of evidence


>>64480881
Go watch episode 4. The kid even lies to his mother about what happened. Early in the episode he confirms that Stephen did it then at the end he admits that he never saw anything that he wasn't even there. His mom asked him how he comes up with that story and he says "guessing", "that's what I do on my homework too". He has no bearings of the consequences, he is a complete fucking retard.
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How the fuck is it even legal to lock up a place for 8 days to search for evidence?
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>>64475767
>>bullet with her DNA on it found in your garage
planted
>>her vehicle found in your scrap yard
planted
>>your blood found inside her vehicle
planted
>>her bones found buried in your yard
planted
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>>64481117
>he is a complete fucking retard
to be fair, so is the judge, jury, and everyone else involved
the only other option is they're treating a mentally impaired kid this way out of malice
trolling or retarded... the binary state each and every one of us embody
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>>64481390

>video evidence of you murdering her

That's clearly CGI mate
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>>64481184
i mean, the avery junk yard is fucking huge

i don't know what other police searches with such large properties are like
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>>64481454
i would have preferred to be framed with practical effect, friendo
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>>64480930
Why didn't he just use the crusher? Where was his finger prints?
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>>64481390

>>bullet with her DNA on it found in your garage
planted

this is the key to the case: they took days of searching to find it even though it was out in the open, and they never find another piece of DNA evidence in the garage

this is literally impossible, if he shot her in the garage they would have found blood, this is how you know they planted the bullet

which doesn't mean he didn't do it, but it does mean the police planted the evidence when they realised they couldn't prove he did it
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Am I the only one who thinks the subject matter of this documentary feels a bit "reddit"? It being made by Netflix only makes it worse.
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>>64480457
With some special classes. And a verbal iq of 64 and IQ of like 70-74.

He doesn't even understand the question of, "do you have any weapons on you"

Steven: "I have a CD player"
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>>64481515
see
>>64472537
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>>64481613
tfw hbo did it better a while back
eh, can't blame the reddit panderers to pander to reddit with their sjw cause
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>>64481478
best thing were the 2 women magically finding the truck badly hidden after like an hour of searching without ever being there before. like cmon senpai..
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>>64481613
The doc started filming in 2005 before Netflix. Netflix just bought it to stream.
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>2005 before Netflix
what did anon mean by this?
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>>64481649
That doesn't explain finger prints.... And you make it sound like his going to sell the car after a murder...

"Can't crush just any car! Have to make sure to find people that want scraps first! No questions about it!"

Is this some junkyard law I don't know about. Isn't Steve allowed to use the crusher?? He used it the night before.
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>>64481681

>fuck this is too obvious i'd better put some branches and shit on it

>forgets about the crusher he owns and operates daily
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>>64481758
He meant it takes time to remove the guts of a vehicle before crushing it.
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>>64481681
the holy spirit guider her, anon
please don't tip your fedora incourt
god might guide the jury to find you guilty
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>>64481795
>it will take two days
>YOU HAVE ONE
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>>64481681
"here take my camera in case you find anything on this giant 40 acre lot of junk"
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>>64480848
>someone's gotta pay for this crime

Kek, okay der fuhrer, whatever you say. I agree that the case against the police wasn't the best, but do you know what "beyond a reasonable doubt" means?
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you remember in oz, when the irish fucks retarded brother comes... cyril or something like that... yeah

this was like that but real
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>>64481893

>hey, why didn't you use this camera during all the other searches
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>>64481767
agreed. shit seems set up as fuck

>>64481810
kek they couldve at least taken like a whole day + for this to be more believable
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Anyone else getting a true detective season 1 intro feel from the MaM intro?
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>>64474292
But why not burn it in the incinerator?
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>>64482139
yes, they ripped off hbo pretty hard here
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>>64482110
yeah
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>>64482160
meant for
>>64482110
obviously ffs
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>>64474032
Alternatively, to allow us to assume less malice on the part of the sheriffs. Delete

>pull her over
>shoot her in the head

Replace with:

>teresa goes missing
>most likely killed by ex-boyfriend who had access to her phone and deleted voicemail messages
>sheriffs learn she was last seen at Avery residence
>fuckyeah.jpg
>ofcoursehedidit.webm
>sheriff finds truck, radios in for confirmation
>sheriff finds body near truck
>realizes there's not a whole lot of evidence linking this to Avery
>puts body in truck, moves it to a quiet place, burns body
etc
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>>64481613
What is that even supposed to mean?
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All the evidence can be over turnerd. I mean if this happened in New York it would have been a walk on the park. There literally are 0 evidence that can be admited in court taking away the bones which can be won by the defence.

The fucking judge says that he IS the murder while the jury started the vote with 7 out of 12 saying he is innocent and 3 people know that he is the murder

There are deleted mensages once she is dead that you need the pass and the username to delet and this creepo as both of them and he is not even called by the police

The judge allows a dna test that is known to fail and if used it should be used in every single spot of blood and they used it only on 3.

This guy has a machine that can destroy cars and he chooses to use some branches.

This guy as a incinerator and he chooses to make a fire.

Does not make sense and this is not even half.
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>>64475614
>won't it cost millions to imprison two people for life?
not THEIR millions

And shooting up a bunch of people on the avery land is a recipe for fuckups. how many people lived on that property?

I don't think the sheriffs killed her. I think they discovered her body, probably honestly believed he did it, and went about building the case.

And it's not like they were planning on saying that she was killed on the bed. That's just shit that Brenden made up and they ran with.
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>>64482426
>etc
porn has ruined my imagination. can you fill in the blanks, anon?
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>>64475614
sixty k a year is easier to pay then four mil today
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>>64475644
>spend 18 years in prison for rape
He wasn't guilty of the rape. He was exonerated on dna evidence, as well as the fact that the dude that had done it admitted to it

>supposedly was home in paper-walled trailer
So his sister or whoever didn't hear her being tortured and raped through that paper-walled trailer?

And the junkyard is huge, and the car was parked at the opposite side, and there's no reason it couldn't have been parked there after they left to stay at the lake house.
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Any more like this series?

I watched The Jinx (Durst is the devil walking on earth) and Paradise Lost and liked them too.
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>>64481901

The verdict wasn't even controversial ffs, there was no hung jury or anything like that. There was more than enough evidence to convict him, you only think otherwise because you watched a biased doc about it.

Charles Manson was found guilty and the only evidence linking him to the crime scene was a bloody thumbprint that wasn't his.
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>>64482684
>durst is the devil
I can't expect the poor lowly pleb like yourself to understand a man of class and sophistication like Durst but please do not pretend to be near equal enough to him to cast judgement.
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>>64482504

You are fucking retarded
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>>64482734

well one juror was excused (?!) despite being adamant he wasn't guilty, after which the 3 who thought he was guilty convinced the remaining 8 and the replacement to change their votes
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>>64482566
>goes to evidence, finds Avery blood sample from previous case, takes syringe of blood, spices up the victim car
>At some point either before or after they leave to go stay at their lake house, drives car in along the outside perimeter of the property and parks it, half-conceals it, makes it look like a retard was trying to hide it.
>After the warrant clears and they get access to the Avery property, bring remains in from the back of the property, so no one logs you entering. Do it at night. Accidentally drop some bones while doing so.
>Place bones in burn barrel, maybe nobody notices for a day, place bones in fire pit.

Rest is as other dude said probably
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>>64482734
>linking manson to the crime scene
c'mon, anon
even a periphery understanding of the manson family murders can tell you his involvement wasn't like that
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>>64482806

For a family emergency. As for the other other 7, innocent until proven guilty. I don't think they specified but I'm willing to bet they all thought he did it but were ready to rule not guilty because of the issues in the prosecution
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>>64482871

I didn't say he was
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