Why is the size and aspect ratio in this movie so fucking bad?
Dont forget, Takodana, the planet of Maz Memenata, is also in the same system and the other planets can be seen exploding from the pirate castle.
You'd think the hideout of the galaxie's most "dangerous" pirate would be far away from the core worlds of the republic.
Also we dont care about some planets we have never seen before or hear about afterwards.
TFA is such a fucking mess. On par with the prequels for slightly different reasons.
Firefly takes place in 5-star system with a central star, two stars in "close" orbit and two more stars in a more distant orbit.
The kind of visibility you see in TFA isn't even possible between the moons of Jupiter or Saturn, let alone planets in the same system. When Earth and Venus' orbits are closest (will happen in about 20 years, actually) it still just looks like an extra-bright star.
Everything about the Starkiller and all of its scenes makes Neil DeGrasse Tyson cry.
Does anyone has a picture of the starkiller base absorbing its sun?
The sun is laughable tiny and starkiller base is to fucking close to it. Starkiller base would burn like hell being this close to a fucking star. But instead there is snow on its surface.
Jarjar Abrams is the worst offender of the trope about sci-fi writers having no sense of scale. "Yes I know he is the director and not the writer."
But as director he is in charge of the visuals largely and every single recent film he has done sacrifices any kind of sane scientific reasoning for the sake of visual effects. Everything about the starkiller makes no fucking sense. Just like instant warp drives, falling from lunar orbit in minuets, transporters that work at superluminal speeds and across half the galaxy...
JJ movies have no sense of patience, or acknowledgement of spacial distances that aren't relivent to the plot.
>But we see Leia react very strongly to this and we actaully get what that planet is.
Not really, no. More people reacted to H. Prime getting blown up and we even got to see the people at ground zero before they were vaporized.
Leia actually barely reacted at all when Alderaan was blown up and she seemed to just shrug it off since.
Is it possible to see the happening "simultaneously" with the speed of light ?
>Planet explodes and becomes a sun
>sun is as big as a planet
anyone have the shot where they see the hosnian system exploding from takodana?
This never crossed my damn mind but you're fucking right!
I HATE THIS MOVIE.
We aren't given enough background to determine weather or not the Hosian system is a collection of moons around a gas giant like Yavin or if it is supposed to be multiple planets in a solar system.
Also it is a very impotent scene in the film, #1 because we have no idea what the hosian system is and learn about it seconds before it is destroyed. As opposed to alderaan, that place our hero's are going in ANH. Lei mentions it when she is first captured by Vader, the loss of a million people at once when it is destroyed moves force sensitive obi to have to sit down and reflect on what just happened.
In TFA a billion lives being wiped away is barely felt by anyone in the film and even less by the audience.
I mean if the base of the triangle is light years long then isn't the height of it also light years long and it would take years for people on the third planet to see the laser beam?
Are we supposed to believe that the whole fleet of the new republic was in the hosnian system?
>can be seen exploding from the pirate castle.
>Takodana is about 1/4 galaxy away.
If the explosion is as bright as a supernova, it can be seen across the galaxy.
Literally nothing is farfetched or impossible
>we never saw how a superluminal beam looks like in Star Wars, also these beams don't exists in real life, so there is no precedent as to how the superluminal death ray has to look
>the "planets" could be moons or artificial planets in artificial orbits held in place by exotic technology
>I mean if the base of the triangle is light years long then isn't the height of it also light years long
Not necessarily actually
I stand corrected, on that detail at least.
So if "Hosnian System" was referring to a gas giant's moon system that scene would make a bit more sense. Unfortunately I'm pretty sure that isn't the case.
>Expect some semblance of consistency
>hurr you fkn autists
If this was Star Trek you'd have more of a point. The best Star Wars films never concerned themselves with consistency, or any sort of pseudo-scientific logic. It's a mystical fairy tale set in space.
I would expect them to at least respect scientific laws, at least to believable levels. Even children realise that planets in other solar systems can't be seen, let alone so closely.
The original trilogy isn't exempt though, they had a similar problem of scale in Empire when Han decides to travel to Bespin in a hyperdrive-less Millenium Falcon, saying it was 'nearby'. But it wasn't as glaring as in TFA.
It didn't. How the force works was changed from film to film. It went from something Luke was able to tap into almost immediately, to something that required training from the age of like 2.
its a skin deep fluff movie with some cool action and things but deeply flawed in terms plot conveniences and motiviations - i think the capeshit analogy is right.
these conglomerates know how to push people's buttons but not give anything lasting. the nostalgia will wear off and eventually will become like avengers
>I would expect them to at least respect scientific laws
The world has magic. MAGIC. People being able to grab stuff with their minds isn't respecting scientific law.
>Why is the size and aspect ratio in this movie so fucking bad?
>mfw it's exactly the same as the size and aspect ratio as A New Hope
Sorry, I worded that badly. In the end, it comes back to internal consistency, and with that comes a level of understanding for scientific laws established in previous films as being identical to those of our own, with some local exceptions - chiefly, of course, being the Force. You are completely right in that regard.
But having science FICTION elements doesn't mean that the rest of the cosmos doesn't need to follow its own established rules.
>but deeply flawed in terms plot conveniences and motiviations
Like Han returning to save Luke after the film establishes that he only cares about money? That type of contradictory motivation? Or like Leia somehow being Luke's sister? That sort of convenience?
The internal logic itself is constantly bent for the sake of narrative. See>>64471447
I get that people place an undue importance on lore and world building, but that's not what Star Wars should be about. It's a Buck Rogers/Flash Gordon space adventure, not Warhammer. The fact that it isn't up its own ass regarding this stuff is part of its appeal, and part of why the series got progressively worse as the EU went on. Did you see the red letter media video on Darth Vader's suit? That's what caring about lore gets you every time.
Before seeing the movie, I assumed that the weapon worked by transporting the beams via hyperspace.
So they could hypothetically target any planet in the galaxy, making it a pretty terrifying device.
>mfw I saw the beams traveling through normal space to all those planets conveniently in the path of the weapon
Remember the way the Death Star had to get its position right before it could fire on Yavin IV?
>Before seeing the movie, I assumed that the weapon worked by transporting the beams via hyperspace.
And you're correct, it's just that an invisible laser would be really fucking stupid looking.
Blowing up Alderaan terrified the rest of the galaxy into obeying the Empire.
>Fear will keep them in line. Fear of this battlestation.
How many of you fucks are actually shitposting without ever watching the movies?
JJ doesn't understand audience investment
Luke's guardians dieing, and alderaan being destroyed weren't dramatized, even though we knew more about luke's aunt and uncle and alderaan than we knew about this system. The reason for this is audiences are psychopaths and we have to really connect with fictional characters before we care what happens to them. That's why han solo being turned into a popsicle calls for more dramatic emphasis than the genocide of an entire planet.
And the second biggest mistake is making a dramatic moment out of exactly what happened in the original star wars. Those civilizations being wiped out felt the same as han solo's death. It's manufactured and meaningless.
>Blowing up Alderaan terrified the rest of the galaxy into obeying the Empire.
>implying they weren't already in fear and obeying the Empire
Sheev and Tarkin just wanted an excuse to blow shit up
So I'm confused, and this is because the movie didnt fucking explain anything.
Which planets got blown up? Were these supposed to be the political centers of the republic? Was this supposed to be where all the republic fleet/army was stationed? I thought they were just random planets being blown up for shock value
Alderaan was the political seat of the rebellion because Bail Organa was leading the rebels from there. Alderaan was also fairly close to the core and thus its destruction would be noticed quicker and would have more of an effect on politics and trade.
>Everything about the Starkiller and all of its scenes makes Neil DeGrasse Tyson cry.
People saying Star Wars is fantasy...
The original trilogy actually depicted a vision of a believable, "lived-in" future. In contrast to other 70's sci-fi that featured outlandish disco-looking environments and wacky outfits, Star Wars tech, costumes, robots, and aliens all had a grimy, industrial credibility. And by the standards of science fiction literature, the droids, hyperdrive tech, blasters etc were all superficially plausible.
Even the force, though it's described in mystical terms, is just telepathy and a bit of telekinesis, which was also pretty plausible to audiences in 60s and 70s (paranormal powers were kind of in vogue back then).
Put simply, the idea of building a big space station that can fly into a star system and blow up planets with a huge laser, feels pretty acceptable.
Sucking the entire mass of a sun into a planet 1/10,000th of its size, then shooting a beam ACROSS THE GALAXY is anime level of retarded.
Is not anime level retarded if you have a way to move all the invisible gas pockets away from the laser and a way to stabilize to beam such that it doesn't diverge and stays parallel.
Not that big a stretch for a universe with ftl travel. Maybe there just aren't any major gas pockets in the way?
>Sucking the entire mass of a sun into a planet 1/10,000th of its size, then shooting a beam ACROSS THE GALAXY is anime level of retarded.
It's a literal Star War, which is better pottery than Lucas ever came up with