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Why is the size and aspect ratio in this movie so fucking bad?
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why are the planets so close to each other that they could conviniently be placed in the same frame?
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Thats what I mean. We can't see venus and mars this big in the sky.
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Dont forget, Takodana, the planet of Maz Memenata, is also in the same system and the other planets can be seen exploding from the pirate castle.

You'd think the hideout of the galaxie's most "dangerous" pirate would be far away from the core worlds of the republic.

Also we dont care about some planets we have never seen before or hear about afterwards.

TFA is such a fucking mess. On par with the prequels for slightly different reasons.
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>>64468351
The whole Star Wars™ Galaxy® (© Disney) is now retconned to be a Firefly-like solar system with tons of inhabitable planets. ;^)
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>>64468351
Something that really pissed me off was that we can clearly see starkiller firing one big beam, but then we see many smaller beams when the planets are getting destroyed.
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>>64469070

>Also we dont care about some planets we have never seen before or hear about afterwards.

...Alderaan?
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>>64468435

Those are the planet's moons idiot.
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>>64469070
Takodana is about 1/4 galaxy away. This is just another example of the bullshit ratio in this movie
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>>64469376
b8
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>>64469381
But it is the hosnian system not hosnian prime and its surrounding planets

>>64469376
But we see Leia react very strongly to this and we actaully get what that planet is.
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>>64469280
Firefly takes place in 5-star system with a central star, two stars in "close" orbit and two more stars in a more distant orbit.

The kind of visibility you see in TFA isn't even possible between the moons of Jupiter or Saturn, let alone planets in the same system. When Earth and Venus' orbits are closest (will happen in about 20 years, actually) it still just looks like an extra-bright star.

Everything about the Starkiller and all of its scenes makes Neil DeGrasse Tyson cry.
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>>64468351
It's a typical JJ-ism. Like the look at Vulcan from Spock's ice planet in Trek09
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Does anyone has a picture of the starkiller base absorbing its sun?
The sun is laughable tiny and starkiller base is to fucking close to it. Starkiller base would burn like hell being this close to a fucking star. But instead there is snow on its surface.
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>>64469510
possible at Saturn

>photo by Cassini
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>>64469580
planetary shields not only repell sublight objects and weapons fire but also filter radiation from the star
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Jarjar Abrams is the worst offender of the trope about sci-fi writers having no sense of scale. "Yes I know he is the director and not the writer."

But as director he is in charge of the visuals largely and every single recent film he has done sacrifices any kind of sane scientific reasoning for the sake of visual effects. Everything about the starkiller makes no fucking sense. Just like instant warp drives, falling from lunar orbit in minuets, transporters that work at superluminal speeds and across half the galaxy...

JJ movies have no sense of patience, or acknowledgement of spacial distances that aren't relivent to the plot.
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>>64469782
This
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>>64469782
He co wrote the flick.
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>>64469782
see
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>>64469452
>But we see Leia react very strongly to this and we actaully get what that planet is.

Not really, no. More people reacted to H. Prime getting blown up and we even got to see the people at ground zero before they were vaporized.

Leia actually barely reacted at all when Alderaan was blown up and she seemed to just shrug it off since.
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>>64469895
>Not really, no.
Stopped reading there.
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Is it possible to see the happening "simultaneously" with the speed of light ?
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>>64469895
That qt black girl made me feel bad for them.
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>>64468351
what would be the point of destroying all these planets ill bet most of them are uninhabited
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>Planet explodes and becomes a sun
>sun is as big as a planet

bravo JJ
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>>64469384
Star Wars has always been in 2.35:1
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>>64470011
what do you mean?
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>>64470124
>le smart meme
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anyone have the shot where they see the hosnian system exploding from takodana?
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>>64470102
This never crossed my damn mind but you're fucking right!
I HATE THIS MOVIE.
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>>64470102
You guys are so sad
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>>64470279
Hello Disney representative !
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>>64469894
We aren't given enough background to determine weather or not the Hosian system is a collection of moons around a gas giant like Yavin or if it is supposed to be multiple planets in a solar system.

Also it is a very impotent scene in the film, #1 because we have no idea what the hosian system is and learn about it seconds before it is destroyed. As opposed to alderaan, that place our hero's are going in ANH. Lei mentions it when she is first captured by Vader, the loss of a million people at once when it is destroyed moves force sensitive obi to have to sit down and reflect on what just happened.

In TFA a billion lives being wiped away is barely felt by anyone in the film and even less by the audience.
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>>64470240
What are you talking about? The aspect ratio has nothing to do with the size of the planets.
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>>64470179
I mean if the base of the triangle is light years long then isn't the height of it also light years long and it would take years for people on the third planet to see the laser beam?
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>>64470433
No because the light particles themselves have been accelerated to hyperspace
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>>64470068
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>>64470279
You new or something?
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>>64470339
>le smart meme
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Are we supposed to believe that the whole fleet of the new republic was in the hosnian system?
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>>64470479
Ok. Thanks
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>>64470102
thought the exact same thing. What a fucking joke
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>>64470679
Or that because hyperspace now crosses half a galaxy in the time it takes to do a screen wipe that more ships couldn't arrive to help in time?
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anyone got a decent pic of republic fleet?
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>>64470747
The republican fleet wasn't shown at all. We even got only a few seconds of what the rebellion built over the last three decades
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>>64470781

I walked into that
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>>64470268
>hating a star wars flick for scientific inaccuracies

Hello reddit!
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>>64469070
>>64469384

>can be seen exploding from the pirate castle.
>Takodana is about 1/4 galaxy away.

If the explosion is as bright as a supernova, it can be seen across the galaxy.

Literally nothing is farfetched or impossible

>we never saw how a superluminal beam looks like in Star Wars, also these beams don't exists in real life, so there is no precedent as to how the superluminal death ray has to look

>the "planets" could be moons or artificial planets in artificial orbits held in place by exotic technology
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>>64470800

Nah you see the fleet above Hosnian Prime for a matter of moments before the laser hits. Its not really enough without pausing to see the ships though.
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>>64469070
Osama Bin laden is on the same planet as George Bush, why can't some Meme pirate be a planet away from the galactic senate?
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>>64468351
>>64468435
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>>64470433
>I mean if the base of the triangle is light years long then isn't the height of it also light years long

Not necessarily actually
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>>64470836
You guys are starting to sound just as bad as prequel defenders
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>>64470102

It didn't absorb the whole sun, so why would it be as big as the original?
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The more I visit /tv/ the more I hate this movie
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>>64471126
The hate is a meme, I hope you realize that.
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>>64469642
I stand corrected, on that detail at least.

So if "Hosnian System" was referring to a gas giant's moon system that scene would make a bit more sense. Unfortunately I'm pretty sure that isn't the case.
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>>64468351
What's wrong with the aspect ratio? It's shot in same aspect ratio as the other Star Wars movies.
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>>64471073
Why did everything become dark then around the time solo was killed?
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STAR WARS IS FANTASY NOT SCIENCE FICTION

PLAUSIBILITY DOESN'T MATTER IN A WORLD THAT LITERALLY HAS MAGIC
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>>64470975
>Expect some semblance of consistency
>hurr you fkn autists
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>>64471233
If this was Star Trek you'd have more of a point. The best Star Wars films never concerned themselves with consistency, or any sort of pseudo-scientific logic. It's a mystical fairy tale set in space.
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>>64471317
But Star wars always had internal logic
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>>64471317
I would expect them to at least respect scientific laws, at least to believable levels. Even children realise that planets in other solar systems can't be seen, let alone so closely.

The original trilogy isn't exempt though, they had a similar problem of scale in Empire when Han decides to travel to Bespin in a hyperdrive-less Millenium Falcon, saying it was 'nearby'. But it wasn't as glaring as in TFA.
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>>64468351
Why do lightning bolts look the same no matter how far away they are?
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>>64471139
you are the meme kid
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>>64471376
It didn't. How the force works was changed from film to film. It went from something Luke was able to tap into almost immediately, to something that required training from the age of like 2.
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>>64471126

its a skin deep fluff movie with some cool action and things but deeply flawed in terms plot conveniences and motiviations - i think the capeshit analogy is right.

these conglomerates know how to push people's buttons but not give anything lasting. the nostalgia will wear off and eventually will become like avengers
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>>64471435
Because they fucking don't?
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>>64471411
>I would expect them to at least respect scientific laws
The world has magic. MAGIC. People being able to grab stuff with their minds isn't respecting scientific law.
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>>64471447
Luke used it literally once in the entire first movie
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>>64468351
>Why is the size and aspect ratio in this movie so fucking bad?

>mfw it's exactly the same as the size and aspect ratio as A New Hope
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>>64471518
During the most important and difficult task of the film.
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>>64471488
Sorry, I worded that badly. In the end, it comes back to internal consistency, and with that comes a level of understanding for scientific laws established in previous films as being identical to those of our own, with some local exceptions - chiefly, of course, being the Force. You are completely right in that regard.

But having science FICTION elements doesn't mean that the rest of the cosmos doesn't need to follow its own established rules.
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>>64471466
>but deeply flawed in terms plot conveniences and motiviations
Like Han returning to save Luke after the film establishes that he only cares about money? That type of contradictory motivation? Or like Leia somehow being Luke's sister? That sort of convenience?
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>>64470102
>sucking up the sun
That's some cartoon level shit that only Jar Jar could of thought of the same way he created a black hole in a planet.
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>>64471614
>Like Han returning to save Luke after the film establishes that he only cares about money?

What is character development, you mongoloid
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>>64471563
And it was huge deal when he did it. It wasn't like Luke became a jedi in that one moment
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>>64471655
The development isn't any less rushed than the development in TFA.
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>>64471704
>the development in TFA
What development?
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>>64471577
The internal logic itself is constantly bent for the sake of narrative. See>>64471447

I get that people place an undue importance on lore and world building, but that's not what Star Wars should be about. It's a Buck Rogers/Flash Gordon space adventure, not Warhammer. The fact that it isn't up its own ass regarding this stuff is part of its appeal, and part of why the series got progressively worse as the EU went on. Did you see the red letter media video on Darth Vader's suit? That's what caring about lore gets you every time.
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>>64470266
>Rakata Prime
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>>64470102
It's a sun/planet smaller than our moon too.
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Before seeing the movie, I assumed that the weapon worked by transporting the beams via hyperspace.

So they could hypothetically target any planet in the galaxy, making it a pretty terrifying device.

>mfw I saw the beams traveling through normal space to all those planets conveniently in the path of the weapon

Remember the way the Death Star had to get its position right before it could fire on Yavin IV?
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>>64472729
>Before seeing the movie, I assumed that the weapon worked by transporting the beams via hyperspace.
And you're correct, it's just that an invisible laser would be really fucking stupid looking.
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>>64469376
Blowing up Alderan was more a character moment. It had no bigger significance.

In TFA they say the destruction of the planets is super important
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>>64473166

Blowing up Alderaan terrified the rest of the galaxy into obeying the Empire.

>Fear will keep them in line. Fear of this battlestation.

How many of you fucks are actually shitposting without ever watching the movies?
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>>64470317
This

JJ doesn't understand audience investment

Luke's guardians dieing, and alderaan being destroyed weren't dramatized, even though we knew more about luke's aunt and uncle and alderaan than we knew about this system. The reason for this is audiences are psychopaths and we have to really connect with fictional characters before we care what happens to them. That's why han solo being turned into a popsicle calls for more dramatic emphasis than the genocide of an entire planet.

And the second biggest mistake is making a dramatic moment out of exactly what happened in the original star wars. Those civilizations being wiped out felt the same as han solo's death. It's manufactured and meaningless.
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>>64473560
>Blowing up Alderaan terrified the rest of the galaxy into obeying the Empire.
>implying they weren't already in fear and obeying the Empire
Sheev and Tarkin just wanted an excuse to blow shit up
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>>64473629

>implying you can't double terrify the galaxy
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>>64473675
is that like reverse trolling?
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So I'm confused, and this is because the movie didnt fucking explain anything.

Which planets got blown up? Were these supposed to be the political centers of the republic? Was this supposed to be where all the republic fleet/army was stationed? I thought they were just random planets being blown up for shock value
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>>64473166
Alderaan was the political seat of the rebellion because Bail Organa was leading the rebels from there. Alderaan was also fairly close to the core and thus its destruction would be noticed quicker and would have more of an effect on politics and trade.
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>>64471216
/thread
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>>64471216
>>64474215
>Why didnt they just take the eagles to mordor?
plausibility always matters, otherwise people would ask questions like that
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>>64473920
The movie literally explained why those planets are being blown up, you mongoloid.

>the movie didn't fucking explain anything
>muh exposition
Go watch a Nolan flick
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>>64468351
> watching a camrip
> complains about size and aspect ratio

Holy fuck this generation is fucking retarded.
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>>64469070
what game is that pic from?
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>>64469510
>Everything about the Starkiller and all of its scenes makes Neil DeGrasse Tyson cry.
Look out.
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>>64469381

And they were important enough, either to the FO or to the audience, to have the beam split to take them all out?
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>>64474041

I wish they would do a story where the galaxy is actually divided, instead of just one big galactic government+some others.
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>>64469782
It never occurred to him that space was the thing is moving.
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>>64468351
JJ had an awful sense of scale and time. He had the same problem with the star trek movie.
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People saying Star Wars is fantasy...

The original trilogy actually depicted a vision of a believable, "lived-in" future. In contrast to other 70's sci-fi that featured outlandish disco-looking environments and wacky outfits, Star Wars tech, costumes, robots, and aliens all had a grimy, industrial credibility. And by the standards of science fiction literature, the droids, hyperdrive tech, blasters etc were all superficially plausible.

Even the force, though it's described in mystical terms, is just telepathy and a bit of telekinesis, which was also pretty plausible to audiences in 60s and 70s (paranormal powers were kind of in vogue back then).

Put simply, the idea of building a big space station that can fly into a star system and blow up planets with a huge laser, feels pretty acceptable.

Sucking the entire mass of a sun into a planet 1/10,000th of its size, then shooting a beam ACROSS THE GALAXY is anime level of retarded.
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>>64477842
Is not anime level retarded if you have a way to move all the invisible gas pockets away from the laser and a way to stabilize to beam such that it doesn't diverge and stays parallel.

Not that big a stretch for a universe with ftl travel. Maybe there just aren't any major gas pockets in the way?
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>>64477842
>Sucking the entire mass of a sun into a planet 1/10,000th of its size, then shooting a beam ACROSS THE GALAXY is anime level of retarded.
It's a literal Star War, which is better pottery than Lucas ever came up with
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