How come the EU was so much more interesting than this Force Awakens retro throwback shit?
Any true believers here that reject the "official Disney canon"? Fuck Disney
>You will never see Bastila in glorious 70mm on the big screen
Who would you cast for her /tv/?
I'm unfamiliar with the EU but just by the arts it looks far more interesting than what we got
Post more arts
Star Wars ended with Legacy.
long live the Zeltron skywalker bloodline
>we will never have a fun Star Wars sequel trilogy
>You can't make non-canon canon.
Neither can Disney. Lucas considered the core of EU canon, and even incorporated it in his new scripts. Therefore it is canon to me.
Lol, fuck off nerd
>we will never have a sexy-cute Star Wars
Lucas liked Mara Jade. He also liked Shadows of the Empire, Darth Talon, the Nightsisters and tons of other EU stuff.
everything he liked was basically about hot women and waifus, literally one of us
>Shadows of the Empire movie never materialized
>tfw the only interesting content is EU content
Scrapping 35 years of great world building by fans a lot more intelligent than Lucas really helped the franchise, tbqh lads
we can only hope that Rey somehow morphs into Bastila next episode
>we will never see any more Mandalorians ever again on screen
who /bendak starkiller/ here?
Thrawn is at least a tact military mind. Call him a mary sue because of his "hurr i beat everyone easy" stuff but at the end of the day he get there by being an accomplished military man.
Ren isn't even a mary sue btw. The interrogation scene made him look creepy, the "girl from jakku" scene made him look insecure, and the "rey escaped" scene made him look childish and a joke was made about him when the stormtroopers turn around in the hallway. Writers don't do these thigns to mary sue's.
Also, he's been trained by both luke and bongobongo, and still get's shat on by a untrained girl, a wookie, and constantly outsmarted by the rebellion. ary Sue's don't lose after getting trained, they win without training or they lose at first and then get trained to show how powerful they become.
Ren literally isn't a mary sue.
because TFA basically bit 90% of their shit from episode 4 and the rest from the EU, basically they didn't have the balls to go full on adaptation of EU stuff so it was just a shitty faltered version of it all with some reddit sensibilities thrown in
>Kyle Katarn stole the Death Star plans
>now it's this broad
>Caedus x MJ 'duel'
>they both just ditch the lightsabers and start mauling each other with knives, rocks, force-blasts, and spiked knuckles
As COMPLETELY FUCKING AWESOME as this would be, you know the censor-bunnies would never allow it.
With the exception of Darth BANE, are there any EU characters who have recently been declared canon again?
>Disney hot shots think they can make Katarn non-canon because they gave George Lucas 4 billion dollars
not in my lifetime
The EU was what kept Star Wars afloat and in the minds of the fans for so long.
>Original movies come out
>Everyone loves them
>Dry period until 1999 filled by lots of EU content
>As Star Wars leaves the spotlight in the public eye things are made for more "hardcore" fans
>1999 Phantom Menace comes out
>Star Wars is popular again
>Prequels begin getting a bad rep but tons of EU content like KOTOR and various games/comics/books keep young people interested
>Prequels end, EU continues to come out, Star Wars once again leaves the spotlight but long lived fans still keep it profitable
>2015 movie comes out
>Star Wars is the biggest thing in the incredibly profitable "nerrrd" culture we have today
>EU is scraped, people look back on 40 years worth of content and think "wow literally all of this but the 3 original movies suck I'm glad Disney erased it all and put in their own (somehow more awful) EU crap"
>After a few more years those people will go away after the newness of the latest Star Wars dies off
The Star Wars fanbase is the most frustrating thing to deal with because of how varied peoples views are on EVERY single thing that exists within it. You've got OT purists, EU diehard fans, casual watchers that won't care past the movies, and every mixture in between.
It's a difficult time to be a fan of this franchise.
A Darth Bane is canon, that is the appearance of a "Darth Bane" in TCW is canon, but the Darth Bane novel series is officially considered Legends.
I know cause I just bought a paperback of Darth Bane: Path of Destruction with the Legends label.
Legends is basically a fancy name for the Old EU
KOTOR isn't canon. If it's not pic related, it's not canon according to Disney
>look up Boba Fett canon article on Star Wars wiki
>mentions nothing about him being alive
Of course. Not even Lucas contradicted anything from the EU in his prequels. All was canon. All is canon.
Disney's Pee Wee Herman motion movie ride Star Tours is more canon than anything it will ever produce.
They can never destroy the EU for it inheres and lives on in the hearts of true believers.
>As far as I know
EU is non-canon. Disney already overwrote all of the Knights of the Old Republic and declared it all non-canon.
Good, he was a complete fucking failure.
>B-BUT MY EU STUFF WHERE HE HUNTS JEDI AND BLOWS UP PLANETS
Motherfucker never did anything but look cool, burn two completely defenseless people, escort some prisoners, and get killed by a fucking boat oar by someone who wasn't even looking like a retard.
His actually badass father would be ashamed.
The EU exploded after 1999 because people were clamoring for star wars that wasn't shit.
Now star wars isn't shit anymore.
Therefore, the EU has no purpose. Its a garbage dump with some passable material, but now no one has to sift through the shit to find the corn, and instead, disney is going to mine the EU for the corn and make movies with minimal shit.
I remember reading this as a kid and blown the fuck out.
>OMFG BOBA FETT SURVIVED EPISODE 6
>AND HE GOES AROUND FUCKING KILL ALL THESE OTHER BOUNTY HUNTERS
And now.... gone.
Fuck you Disney.
>mfw Boba Fett taught Jaina how to kill Jedi so she could take out Jacen
Yeah, because Disney has released nothing but "REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL MOVIES AND CHARACTERS?" since they got this franchise. They remade ANH with TFA. Bits and pieces of the EU are making their way in but you're an idiot if you think in 35 years' time Disney won't have their own canon filled with a bunch of dumb shit just like the old EU.
You take the good with the bad. The old EU had some great stuff and some stuff that shouldn't have ever seen the production line. Disney is going to mine this franchise for everything they can.
>Now Star Wars isn't shit
Give it time. People who shit all over the old EU apparently don't consider the new EU will be just as buttfuck retarded.
Why has no one ever drawn her first appearance, when Luke sees her in a vision in the cave on Dagobah grabbing his lightsaber with the Force back on Jabba's sail barge and laughing like a loon?
where can I meet all these die hard EU qts?
You know why they call the EU "Legends" now? Because within the setting of Star Wars Kotor and everything that happened before the 6 movies is legendary like Arthurian tales are in our world; they may or may not have happened, and maybe the tale told is stretched or expanded but in general it MAY have happened.
That's Disney's excuse for being able to rip whatever they want from the past and keep all of it in a sort of canon limbo. Maybe they'll keep it, maybe that legend really didn't happen at all and is just fiction in the setting.
she has a golden double bladed lightsaber and shes hot as fuck, what else you need my man
That's not true, KOTOR 1 is a rollicking good Star Wars adventure. Sure, it's got some plotholes, but so does A New Hope. You're so swept up in the narrative that they're forgivable, though, which isn't the case with TFA.
>How can it be gone when it's on my shelf still with no "Legends" label?
I went into barnes and noble the other day and saw "Legends" labels on star wars novels. I wanted to throw up after seeing that shit.
Lucas DID contradict the EU at times in the prequels and he & David Filoni contradicted some things in TCW (Boba Fett's origins being different, Chancellor Valorum still being alive during the Clone Wars, TCW's take on Mandalore), but that said most of this stuff was already in the process of being worked into the established EU timeline. For example, some things like the Mortis trilogy in TCW, got mentions in post-ROTJ and other EU material. And while The CG Clone Wars covered much of a period that was already covered extensively in Star Wars: Republic comics, a lot of this was fixed by reworking when the events depicted in the comics took place (Anakin was now made an actual Jedi Knight sooner and most of the Republic series' events now took place in a shorter period of time before and between TCW).
Lucas always made it clear that he had supreme authority to authorize EU content and rewrite or erase whatever he wanted, but he never made it too hard and he respected a lot of the EU writers work to be open to incorporating some ideas in his stuff. The prequels may have changed Boba Fett's origins, but they kept Coruscant as the historic capital of the Republic as it was in the EU and some of the themes of Revenge of the Sith definitely tie in very well to those of Dark Empire and Sheev's clonage. Not to mention Aayla Secura was pulled directly from the EU and so were the double bladed lighsabers. If anything, Lucas depended on the EU to help fill in plot holes in his movies and expand on his own ideas he didn't have time to do himself in his own films. The Sith were an original concept by Lucas, which was explored by the EU for years before he did the prequels and the prequels seem to assume that viewers are already somewhat familiar with who the Sith are.
This is my opinion too, I feel like Kotor is in the danger zone where Disney hasn't decided whether it's going to fucking mutilate it for new movies or not yet hence the ambiguous "maybe canon maybe not" response to Bioware.
To be honest I hope they just call it non canon, because I have no faith in Disney being able to do it justice when they couldn't come up with a new plot for TFA
>they can't accept the invalidity of the EU
I think too much of KOTOR ties into other parts of the EU. Disney knows the games were popular (even Star Wars casuals who never read the original Knights of the Old Republic or Tales of the Jedi comics love the game) but they are still very much in the spirit of the Legends timeline and were written with consideration of that timeline.
Disney will probably not make them canon but will definitely scrap them more than other parts in hopes of bringing people who liked them in. One of my friends, who's an SW casual, was actually confused when he saw Kylo Ren cause he thought it was Revan
I don't know what to think about KOTOR and that sort of stuff at this point. Disney is hesitant to definitively state anything is canon aside from what they put out themselves at this point, and probably for good reason.
Maybe it's just wishful thinking but I'm hoping TFA was just Disney playing it extremely safe with the new movie. They no doubt know the (somewhat obnoxious at this point) adoration of the OT and the vilification of the prequels, so they tried their hardest to get away from the politics and go back to the same crap that was in the originals. Time will tell. We'll see after Episode VIII truly. I couldn't give less of a shit about Rogue One, but I'll still see it.
KOTOR 1 and KOTOR 2 aren't like the rest of the EU, generally speaking. Most of the EU is books nobody read, comics nobody read, and card games nobody read, but the KOTOR games were bestselling video games that won awards. After the movies themselves they may be the most popular Star Wars stories. You can't blame Disney for taking things slow with them.
But not the same one as the novel series character. They COULD make that spirit that speaks to Yoda the same Bane but I doubt they will.
>mfw it's true
Literally just bought the Steam copy because you brought this to my attention, thank you
>inb4 buying vaporware
And it's also one of the most interesting.
>Implying she's not one of the best SW characters ever
>takes a steaming shit on the very concept of Star Wars
No, it just shows you that there is more to the universe than just Jedi fucking lightsaber force shit
You don't even have to play a Jedi in the Kotor games
The real trouble is that the new EU is fucking garbage.
Everyone would forget about the old EU in a heartbeat if we could get some book or comic or something that was on the level of KOTOR, or the Thrawn Trilogy, or the Tales of the Jedi comics, or the X-Wing games (or books).
So far, though, it's all either mediocre or just awful. The comics are dull with bad art. The books are written at a fucking middle school level. The video games are boring and trite.
And the real fear is that that's all it's going to be. If TFA is what Disney's take on Star Wars is going to look like, we may never get any cool, different-seeming EU stuff ever again.
I wonder who was in charge of deciding "what is canon"
Some of the EU books they canonized, like Dark Disciple
Who decided this shit and how come they left so much out?
This. Aftermath was garbage, written by a literal SJW with the most hamfisted fags I've ever read. And of course any criticisms were met with
So there's zero chance of improvement.
The Darth Vader comic is pretty good at times although it's got those shitty sidekicks.
>How come the EU was so much more interesting than this Force Awakens retro throwback shit?
It was written in a lull period when the normalfags were away. Same thing happened with Star Trek in between TOS and the movies.
>Any true believers here that reject the "official Disney canon"?
Yeah, I still have a few books from the 90s and early 2000s to read, so I'm not too interested in the new timeline. So far.
I think Disney would've probably kept the KOTOR content had Bioware not fucking ruined it all with the Old Republic
What you don't think this is quality?
>tfw no more Dark Empire
>tfw no more Thrawn
>tfw no more Yuuzhan Vong
EU might be shit but there are some gems in it.
I really enjoyed the Force Unleashed, before Lucas had to step in and say "no no no, if Darth Vader had an apprentice, she'd be a little alien girl" and killed it
Literally anything slightly mature is de-canonized so the little kiddy fucks won't be corrupted
the one part of the EU that was superior to TFA was the immediate aftermath of Endor. In TFA awakens the entire Empire just folds like a wet paper bag. This would be like the United States collapsing and being taken over and ruled by the Taliban in the months following 9/11. The Rebellion simply didn't have the numbers or the hardware to systematically destroy all of the zillions and zillions of Star Destroyers in the Galaxy, at least not in such a short span of time. But JJ was fixated on Nazis getting wrecked in WWII and fleeing to Argentina so he disregarded logic in order to squeeze his fanfic into the story
In the EU the the Empire fragments into pieces as various admirals and governors break away to become independent warlords, and the Rebel Alliance is weaker than even some of the middling level warlords. It takes clever politicking, several long years of fighting, and huge amounts of Imperial infighting for the New Republic to come out on the top of the heap
I got A New Dawn for Christmas last year (not the one that just happened) and I haven't even read a sentence of it, should I bother? And is Rebels worth a shit? I know it's literally a kids show but would there be anything for me
He could have won in the end, that would have really pissed me off.
Actually everything about the Solo children pissed me off. Little shits. Somehow Kylo Ren is LESS annoying than Jacen and Jaina.
Huh? The Force Unleashed didn't contradict Anakin taking Ahsoka as an apprentice when he was still a Jedi, considering that Lucas was involved with both TFU and TCW.
Both Ahsoka and Galen were regarded as canon in the pre-Disney timeline.
It's bad. Really bad. Even IGN called it out. And the diversity is extremely hamfisted there's a conversation that goes something like:
>You're interested in me aren't you
>I know you are but I'm GAY so back off
>I said back off shit lord
It's garbage and I don't see it improving with the fags at LucasArts in charge.
I got it for Christmas, and my Brother in law must have seen the apprehension on my face because he quickly pointed out the gift receipt
the worst thing is that they signed him up for 2 more books
but I heard some of the other new canon was pretty good
I'm not the guy you replied to, but I started watching it over the last two weeks and I like Rebels quite a bit.
It is more childish than the Clone Wars, but it is more interesting in my opinion.
To be very honest, I think a lot of the people who shit on the EU didn't like to read books.
They were dummies who only liked Star Wars because muh special effects and muh imperial march.
Also some of them were autists who didn't like when the EU went in new directions from the Empire/Jedi scenario.
And even then the New Republic's democratic system left it too divided and unprepared for the intergalactic threat and so the heroes were led to question their beliefs in the nature of their past victories in the grand scheme of things.
It's funny how Legacy, the effective end of the old canon has the galaxy come under a trinity of more autocratic powers.
I'd like to see a Story Wars story where the galaxy is overthrown by bounty hunters, raiders, scoundrels, with no Empire to regulate things.
People forget that the Empire weren't just the space gustapo, they policed and regulated things, like smuggling. They kept the galaxy at peace and kept settlements safe.
They weren't just trying to blow every fucking planet up to be retard-evil, they were policing the galaxy, and considered the rebels as terrorists.
And the worst part is that the old EU even at the beginning was better than the new EU.
Pic related. Who else remembers this book? There was an entire Han Solo Trilogy. The first book was released in 1979. TWO YEARS AFTER A NEW HOPE. And it's actually not bad. It's quality space opera pulp fiction, at least as good as some of the sword and sorcery shit that was on the shelves at the time.
The old EU had some good stuff in it right from the beginning, even if it was outweighed by the bad.
>the worst thing is that they signed him up for 2 more books
Of course they did. The "Loremaster" Paublo is the biggest faggot I've ever seen. He spends most of his time shilling Rey as the best thing ever and shitting on Luke on Twitter. I don't expect him to see quality.
>some of the other new canon was pretty good
The Darth Vader comic is pretty much it. Everything else is trash. Even Vader suffers from its "lmao so quirky" female sidekick.
>Disney ever portraying the Empire as even slightly good
That's funny. They had the First Order blow up a planetary system to ensure nobody could ever defend them and their space Nazi ways. They're always going to portray the rebels as the freedom fighters and the Empire as the oppressors.
If you want to get technical about it, TCW was actually part of the old canon for several years and certainly feels more like a part of the old EU or at least an homage to it.
Rebels reflects the Disney change over more.
>I think a lot of the people who shit on the EU didn't like to read books.
This very much
Some of the EU novels are terrible (Crystal Star, Children of the Jedi), but mostly they were pretty solid, and a more often they were excellent (Thrawn Trilogy, Courtship of Princess Leia, I, Jedi, etc)
Can't wait to read the story of how Luke checked his Force privilege. If Rey isn't a Mary Sue these days will make her one. Why the fuck is Timothy Zahn not getting to write?
I remember when I was a kid there were so many goddamn Star Wars books, I didn't know where to begin.
I read some story about this alien kid who was genderless, and apparently doesn't "choose" a gender until they hit teen years, and the kid had some confusing love interest with both a boy and a girl.
Shit fucked me up and made me stop reading Star Wars. Anybody know what story I'm referring to?
This makes the most sense actually, considering all the options you had in the game.
Was Revan a Jedi or a Sith in the end? Male or female? What color was their lightsaber? It doesn't matter in 4000 years.
If you want to refer to KOTOR and the distant past as a mysterious event with very little info then sure, you can do that. All it needs is a vague outline and the name "Revan" and you can put some small amount of history behind the main story in the movies.
But if you want to tell the story of what actually happened in that time period you'll have to figure out what Revan and everything around him was.
So long as you know the placement of the story in the timeline it doesn't matter. If you know the basics of Star Wars lore it's not difficult to pick up the majority of the books.
Bioware's really good at creating amazing things and then fucking them up somehow.
ITT buttblasted /pol/ and manchildren proven wrong again and again, falling back to eating crow and pretending to like EU. The same EU they loudly reviled just a few short months ago. Same thing with the prequels. Suddenly, Jar Jar is the height of CGI and Anakin's I hate Sand soliloquy is at par with Shakespeare. Give it up. You lost. Everyone betrayed you. Even Lucas sold out. Move on to another sci fi series. It is no longer yours. It was never yours to begin with.
>Snow-blind in an eternal Hoth ice-noon of suffering, Jacen Solo hangs in the Embrace of Pain.
Nothing can top this.
>This is what the "new creators" believe.
Fanfuckingtastic I can't believe I'm actually missing when Lucas ran the show.
It was more that Sheev was evil and the Imperials were mostly just ordinary people who believed in the kind of structure the Galactic Empire offered, but struggled not only against the Rebels/New Republic but also the selfish nature of their leaders.
One of the greatest things about the old EU in my opinion is the transition of the Empire from that of a humanoid-centric totalitarian state ruled by the Sith in the shadows to an Empire that ultimately believes in the order and unity promised by an imperial dynasty but sides with the light side of the force and is inclusive of all races.
>no KOTOR style vidya set 100-200 years after ROTJ where you can play as an Imperial Knight.
I always, even as a kid, thought that the Empire weren't always the bad guys because you see them in Tattooine just patrolling, doing normal shit, they don't even fire at Luke and his crew until Han starts shooting at them, but some higher up had forced the Imperial soldiers to kill Luke's parents and make it look like the Sand people did it, kind of like how the US or any government really will black bag suspect individuals, and that the Alderaan thing was just to stop the rebellion's splinter cells from attacking the Empire once and for all, a pre-emptive strike if you will, like how the United States bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki
New trilogy is just mindless retard evil Nazis screaming and shooting everything in site for literally no reason, it's some retard level shit
EU had interesting ideas and interesting characters. However it was one huge mega clusterfuck.
I wanted the new movies to bring a stable version of the characters.
I wanted to see Mara Jade and her son, nephews and niece. Not this new mary sue crap.
From what I've always seen most Star Wars fans liked the Empire more than the rebels or anyone else anyway. Stormtroopers are one of the most iconic soldier in fiction and people clearly can't get enough of them.
But I agree with you. Like >>64459486 said the Empire is made up of billions of people that just work under a harsh regime ran by an evil Sith Lord. Most of them, especially ones stationed on backwater planets like Tatooine are just doing their job. I always feel more sorry for the Stormtroopers that get shot doing their duty than any of the filthy rebels. Somehow, to me, the inability to see a face beneath the mask but knowing one is there makes them MORE human to me, not less.
Bioware had a noticeable change in output right around the time ME came out. It took a while and happened by stages, but it became obvious after ME3 that their leadership was incompetent and their writing team was full of barely literate tumblr fanfic writers. They are still competent on the technical side of things and have a big budget, but their products are full of SJW nonsense and questionable decisions from the company's top level.
It dont matter. They didnt made starwars.
By the laws of fiction and paper a piece of work - sequel in this case - that is not by the original author or wasnt done alongside him is considered a fan fiction.
>humanoid-centric totalitarian state ruled by the Sith
Why is it the bad guys are the ones who always reject the freaks/aliens/mutants of society?
Who is perpetuating this meme, and why is it considered evil?
>Fallout, the Brotherhood of Steel/Tenpenny Tower/Everyone "bad" rejects ghouls, mutants and other freaks
>Mass Effect, the bad guys reject the poor oppressed alien minorities
>Star Wars, the Sith reject aliens, the diseased, cripples, droids and other scum
Is it because of Nazis and the "rejecting the freaks and deformities of society is mean, therefor evil" meme?
Talking with fans of the entirety of Star Wars content has almost always been more interesting than talking about people who know only the movies and have little more than a passing interest in what else there is beyond them. The EU was made for people who wanted more after the movies were over. I don't get why that's such a big deal.
I like Ahsoka, though, and hope we get more of her. Something tells me she will die in rebels, though, so they wont have to explain why she is never ever mentioned in the movies.....
some suit who probably never sees starwars or sci fi in general. just looks at the bottom numbers and graphs and (cultural) trends.
not to mention they probably been wanting to buy starwars from lucas for a long time now and probably had plans on what to do if they ever got it.
then when the day came. they probably sat in a huge room (probably multiple rooms with direct video link) and had a hug meeting. tearing down anything that interfered with their grand plans. and kept what they liked (or had no effect on future plans).
it's a business. and they treat it as such. fans are just a by product. what matters to them is $.
first of people have different opinions. second, the prequels were shit, it's just a bunch of ledditors and 20 something fags who saw the prequels during their childhood and are nostalgiafagging hard thinking it was good all along. third, the EU is shit I'll give you that, this guy said it best >>64459648
, its one huge clusterfuck with the last guy trying to outdo the previous guy from ORIGINAL CONTENT DONUT STEELE. I'm fine with Luke being god force though. Be that as it may, EU had some great stories in them although it can get pretty confusing and be buried in mostly mediocre and some shit stories but its pretty ok
Isn't it implied, at least on Taris, that aliens weren't welcome in the upper city even before the Sith occupation? I could have sworn that was heavily implied.
The Sith don't always discriminate against aliens though. Hell, during many eras a great deal of Sith are aliens.
>Will never see Vader destroy the Skyhook
Because discriminating on people based on prejudice is morally questionable.
Treating people like objects that lose any vaule when they are damaged is morally questionable.
But you are a probably a /pol/faggot that hates gay and everything that isn't like it should be in your mind, so of course you don't understand.
>first of people have different opinions.
Sounds good so far...
>second, the prequels were shit, it's just a bunch of ledditors and 20 something fags who saw the prequels during their childhood and are nostalgiafagging hard thinking it was good all along.
Damn, so some opinions are worse than orhers?
You're wobbling on the tracks.
>third, the EU is shit I'll give you that
Zoom... off the rails.
>But then it hits the reset button in TFA.
This is honestly my biggest problem with TFA. Nothing fucking changed. At all. Everyone is right back where they began. Two Not-Sith. Jedi all but extinct. The Republic is dead, AGAIN, thanks to JJ blowing up the capital planet and all their fleets conviently located in one place.
It's because EU fans > Tourist Disney flyover casuals
>tfw Aayla Secura and Shaak Ti canonized
get wrekt nerds
c'mon mate, prequels are ass everybody knows this, a lot of prequel stuff doesn't make sense in the overall lore of Star Wars. EU being shit is being judged as awhole which tends to happen in a series in its longevity. Authors tend to try to outdo and add more content and shock value to keep the readers interested. Hell there was this guy that had lightsabers on his knees for fucks sake. As I've said, the good ones are buried in the majority mediocre and some shit stories but the good ones are good. try reading it, I'm sure you can download it from any tracker, the ones after the OT, Thrawn and Dark Empire are my favourites, Yuuzhan Vong gets a lot of hate but I kinda like the predator look the enemies had.
Blowing up the New Republic and making the Resistance the underdogs again was just a cheap way for them to make the new series a remake of the originals. Apparently people just can't get enough of the Skywalkers, stormtroopers vs rebels and X-wings, which is my biggest complaint. I like them well enough but the EU had so many different characters and eras that didn't always rely on a few things. It dared to do different things and connect it all together into one universe. I like that.
>EU had interesting ideas and interesting characters. However it was one huge mega clusterfuck.
A lot of the clutter of the old EU is exaggerated. For the most part, it was a consistent timeline with an orderly sense of what was canon set on various degrees of canonicity. The problem was that some people either:
A.) Never quite knew what was actually canon and what wasn't because at the same time the Expanded Universe did put out stories that were never meant to be considered "real canon"
B.) Never bothered to check out the official explanation for certain apparent inconsistencies given by official Lucas licensed material like the chronologies, which were regularly updated.
Most of the confusing bits were stuff that had either been ironed out or were in the process of being ironed out and were contentrated mostly on particular periods where there had just been a lot of material.
Really, a lot of the troubles came when Lucas decided to produce The Clone Wars cartoon and when certain parts of the EU as far as the prequel era and the in between parts of the movies became more cluttered with content. TCW didn't make things easier and was a breach of some etiquette by Lucas, but even so, Lucas had people in charge of the Holocron whose job it was to make sure the EU fit with his ideas. And before Disney bought the property, they were doing a pretty good job trying to stitch everything together.
>c'mon mate, prequels are ass everybody knows this,
As someone who grew up with the unaltered SW VHS's and still loves the prequels, No.
>a lot of prequel stuff doesn't make sense in the overall lore of Star Wars.
Not really. Minor things had to be rejiggered. Nothing too bad.
You give things value according to their worth.
A cripple who doesn't contribute to society, or a dreg drug-abuser is worth less than a functioning healthy contributor to society.
I'm not condoning gassing the weak or anything, but there's nothing wrong with judging things accordingly.
Prejudice assumes all races/species/states of health are equal, and you're just picking and choosing unfairly, but all races/species, in real life and games, aren't all equal, judging them accordingly *is* fair, even if it hurts feelings.
>tfw being logical and reasonable is considered *evil* in universal canon
They're not killing the lesser species of aliens though, they simply separate them from superior humanoids for the sake of prosperity and efficiency
The lower living conditions the minorities/aliens complain about are simply because they are left to their own devices, proving even further, they should be separated from superior beings at all costs, regardless of feelings
not him, but there's more reasoning behind why Nazis are actually great.
This 100%. With the recent popularity explosion Star Wars got suddenly everyone is incredibly eager to find something to bitch about regarding the EU and they use it as an easy way to antagonize fans that have been with the franchise for a long time.
I've read a great deal of the comics and books, played the games and used to spend my time in school reading Wookieepedia articles when I was done with whatever shit we were supposed to do. I enjoyed a good deal of the content, and while it had some faults it was never difficult to figure out what was canon and what wasn't. Like that anon said there were source and chronology books that were regularly updated and brought everything into line. People just exaggerate to make a scene and discount people's enjoyment of the stuff and cry "it's shit/a kids show/not real" when all else fails.
When these Episode VII tourists jump onto the Marvel bandwagon after Civil War is released hopefully it'll die down.
But TOR itself still isn't canon.
The Darth Plagueis novel I think goes into this Sith tendency to hate more alien looking aliens.
Plagueis was a Muun, but he specifically sought out a human apprentice because "the Force seems to favor them for some reason"
Humans (and to that extent humanoid types) are very basic creatures but are very adaptable and seem to have regular force sensitivity that isn't always found as regularly in some other species. So, it's natural that Sith, who follow a system of strong over the weak, may develop some humanoid favoring tendencies, even among the more alien of them who are seeking the best of subjects or the best to carry on their legacies.
There's also the fact that that Sith feed on emotions of hate and attempt to use it. Pitting the prejudices of the lower members of their social order against one another in a survival of the fittest competition is right up their alley.
Palpatine is a good example of this. He had nothing personal against aliens or non-humans, but he used the prejudice against aliens by humans in the Empire/Republic to his advantage. In the context of the knowledge he had of the Yuuzhan Vong, he may have also felt that it was a safer bet to focus more effort on the training and recruitment of basic humans. But if an alien proved his or herself to be strong, intelligent or favored by the dark side, Palpatine had no problem giving credit where credit was due.
And earlier, in the The Old Republic era, the red skinned Sith species and the hybrid products of them and the Dark Jedi called the shots in the old Sith Empire, but their alien and basic human subjects were still intensely loyal to serving the Sith in an social order where their inferiority to the red skinned nobles was taken often for granted.
Also, it seems like a lot of non-humanoid species familiar with the Force outside of the Jedi seem to be overwhelmingly light side (Ithorians, etc.)
You guys do realize that it's all made up and you can choose to enjoy whichever version of whatever you like because the "official" crap is just for money purposes right? No "official canon" shit from anything other than the main movies will ever really matter.
>You guys do realize that it's all made up and you can choose to enjoy whichever version of whatever you like because the "official" crap is just for money purposes right?
Yes, we do.
>No "official canon" shit from anything other than the main movies will ever really matter.
>tfw Korriban, the ancient Sith, their relics, and the Sith Academy in general are now non-canon
might be one of the biggest losses from Kotor IMO
I remember having to print out a report on how quickly I could type. Considering I was always on my computer it ended up being one of the best in the class every time.
Beyond that it was just shit like Excel and whatnot. I spent a lot of that time dicking around on Wookieepedia and the 40K wiki/Lexicanum.
Well, you're not really contributing anything with that response, though. Sure, racism is morally questionable, but many other things are morally questionable too, and usually the 'good guys' aren't absolute saints. There could be some justification an otherwise good character or government could have for treating different species differently, but we haven't seen people attempt that.
>the comics were always shit though.
Why do reactionary tourists hate the EU so much?
You don't think Star Wars in general is embarrassing because normies accept it as normy culture, but the EU is embarrassing because your precious normies haven't validated it
>You don't think Star Wars in general is embarrassing because normies accept it as normy culture, but the EU is embarrassing because your precious normies haven't validated it
Yeah, pretty much.
>Wow this fictional movie is so amazing XDXD I looove Star Wars!
>Wow you manchildren plebs like that EU shit lol get a life
>Implying the EU wasn't better than any of the 7 movies at times
Bandwagon fans are idiots. Let them go.
Hey I know, how about I just rip off this fucking EU content and change the name so nobody will ever know it wasn't an original idea
>MORABAND, ORIGINAL IDEA, DO NOT STEAL
>People just exaggerate to make a scene and discount people's enjoyment of the stuff and cry "it's shit/a kids show/not real" when all else fails.
I think it's mostly people just trying a little too hard to justify Disney's scrap of the EU or to give Disney too much credit by making the decision seem reasonable
>"The EU was a cluttered mess they had to get rid of it."
The truth is, the timeline didn't suffer from any more clutter or confusion than one might expect from such a major, long running franchise.
And if the old EU was confusing for newcomers, it's even more confusing now, as I can say from personal experience, it's more difficult to explain to SW newcomers how the canon works under Disney and what this whole "Legends" label is about. Even for non-newcomers, there's still a huge amount of confusion over whether Kylo's sword being from "the scourge of Malachor" means KOTOR is canon or not and if it is canon what that means for the rest of the material linked to it like the comics and TOR.
Also you're implying that Star Wars wasn't always part of the mainstream normie culture which is absolutely buttfucking retarded. The EU is trash since it comes down to OC DONUT STEELs and fanfic stories making up the majority of it, then neet faggots acting as if its better than what the movies were which is just pathetic
Well he at least put it in that Moraband was literally Korriban but the name changed since the planet was lost and rediscovered. I can buy that since Korriban tends to be lost and rediscovered throughout SW history.
on the surface level that's all you see people talk about
I know theres 'good' EU content
The problem is sorting through the dumb shit like the alien invaders who are impervious to the force and something that would be worth spending time on like Dark forces 1 and 2, Shadows of the Empire, KOTOR 1 and 2 and Republic Commando
>I think it's mostly people just trying a little too hard to justify Disney's scrap of the EU or to give Disney too much credit by making the decision seem reasonable
It feels to me like them saying "haha in your face nerds". The movie purists are fans I can't stand. But yes, I agree with everything you said. I'm waiting it out to see what Disney ends up doing but I'll still enjoy the EU. Only time will tell how the old and new canon blend and what Disney has planned.
> its bait! It has to be!
Nice job incorrectly reading a fairly simple post you fucking idiot. I said the majority, which unless you disagree you should probably go back to sucking Ben Solo's cock
It makes sense from the POV of Disney execs though. They want to attract new fans, and they naturally felt that carefully kowtowing to the massive and convoluted EU, which normies have largely never heard of and would find impenetrable, was a nonstarter. The dedicated Star Wars fans who have been following the EU are rightly considered a captive audience and can be shit on at will with no repercussions. Disney will never lose their business and knows it. Pandering for the generation x nostalgia crowd, new stuff for the millenials, and shit for the hardcore nerds who will continue to shell out $$$ no matter how much they complain.
You make it sound like some Olympian task. All things considered Star Wars' EU canon isn't that cluttered or difficult to navigate. Just find something that sounds interesting and go with it.
>links to a post that says all EU content is shit
>I DIDNT MEAN THAT
>Korriban appears in the final episodes of Star Wars: The Clone Wars. George Lucas preferred the name "Moraband" to Korriban during story development, leading the episode "Sacrifice" to refer to the planet as Moraband. The episode guide's trivia gallery clarified the issue, stating that Korriban has had multiple names throughout its history.
I don't know why Lucas favored the name Moraband.
Again, remember, while Disney considers Clone Wars part of its canon, it also was considered part of what is now called the Legends canon BEFORE the buyout. And even the last season of Clone Wars was produced before the deal with Disney was finished. Clone Wars is not the product of Disney. It's the product of pre-Disney Lucasfilm, so it's actually not as incompatible with the old EU as much as the new material coming out which completely disregards all of that stuff.
Heck, you can probably consider TCW the last piece of old EU material from a certain point of view that was just spared the carnage of Disney.
You gotta admit that lightsaber + blaster combo is pretty sexy tho
Would make sense.
Japan is also both Nihon and Nippon. A large galactic empire with many languages and many dialects of the same languages would probably have a lot of names for the different planets that were a part of it.
So long as Moraband is the new name for a planet that was once called Korriban I'm fine with it. I just didn't like the idea of Lucas acknowledging the planet and naming it something incredibly similar as a "fuck you" to KOTOR fans.
He's not saying they don't. He's saying TCW ties in with a lot of the old EU and it does. They were going to have Revan, Nihlus, and a Vong scout ship.
Contrast with Disneys shit which is A. Fucking terrible and soulless, and B. Distances itself from the old EU as hard as it can.
Is Malachor V still canon?
Any Clone Wars bros know?
Yes, but TCW is the product of old Lucasfilm, not Disney. It was only considered canon by Disney because of Lucas' involvement. It was finished before the Disney buyout and was set to continue for another season or two before that. It was canceled because of the Disney buy out.
I vaguely remember something about the new guys lightsaber being inspired by the scourge or siege of malachor
"The Scourge of Malachor" is mentioned in the new visual dictionary when describing Kylo Ren's lightsaber design. What Malachor is and what that "Scourge" was in Disney's canon is questionable though.
this desu. I'm not obsessed with EU but I read a few here and there and having Dark Empire as my favourite, but the 35 years of world building, lore, the settings and the character all gone in just a snap and have JewJew shamelessly rip it off for original character DONOT STEEL makes me sad since there has been so much work put into it.
Yes and No. Malachor V exists and something happened there but that doesn't make Revan or KOTOR canon. Merely means the planet exists and something called the Scourge happened there.
>Malachor was first mentioned in "Missing in Action," an episode of the Star Wars: The Clone Wars television series, bringing it into the official canon.
Sometimes dreams really do come true
I will say, as the anon before arguing about how shit the EU was, there is no arguing that the EU had more passion for star wars behind it than the Disney revamp does.
That said I don't blame them disregarding the EU from the new films. It makes sense from a business standpoint since everyone is familiar with Star Wars but most aren't with the EU
Best thing the EU did was introduce more than 2 fucking lightsaber colors
God damn George Lucas was boring
There are things I liked about the EU. A lot.
>Luke's academy being on Yavin IV
>The Diversity Alliance
>The Empire splintering into many different factions after the death of the Emperor
>My waifu, Tenel Ka
Now I'll never ever see her on the big screen.
still waiting for yellow to make an appearance
I'll never give up hope
Agree with this. Some colors besides just green and blue would be nice, but adding a shitload of random clashing colors would make it look like an ugly video game where every player has to have their unique snowflake saber.
>Cyan, orange, opal and all that crap went too far.
That was all because the crystals themselves didn't matter. You imbued them with force to make them work, so you could take pretty much anything with similar properties at make a lightsaber our of them. It didn't even have to be a crystal in some cases.
We had a good run. Maybe we'll find each other in another thread. Just gotta beat back the meme-spouting idiots.
It's been fun all the same. Quality Star Wars thread for once.
Most jedi can barely use the force well enough to do basic magic tricks like telekinesis. How the fuck are they gonna pour enough force juice into a random crystal to make it capable of powering a laser sword? Obviously the crystals have to have some natural force channeling power of their own. I mean, if what you're saying is true then Yoda and Sheev are the only two people in the Star Wars universe who could ever construct a lightsaber.
There's the link to it. It also doesn't have to be you focusing on the crystal, it can be someone else who doesn't suck with the force.