Which of these magnificent auteurs that truly changed the way in which we view and dissect cinema is the greatest of all time?
Sure thing. You clearly just aren't capable of 'getting' his art. it takes work to understand the full extent of Nolan's brilliance. Inception for example; is a marvelous film with many subtleties that you probably didn't even notice.
Even for his mildly weaker efforts like TDKR; (not every auteur can strike gold every time) it's certainly flawed (a minor Nolan film if you will) but still streets ahead intellectually from most of the stuff that we see nowadays. Maybe you're just more of a Tarantino or a Godard guy, and there's no shame in that, it just means you haven't truly been exposed to groundbreaking avant garde patrician cinema yet like I have.
>I hate him because he's popular
Stop being such a contrarian child. Nolan is hailed as the greatest director of the 21st century for a reason. You know good and well that when Nolan's canonization as one of the all-time greats is an objective agreement among cinephiles in a decade that you will be singing the praises alongside everybody else.
>Batman: Le Commencement
>Le Chevalier Noir
>L'Ascension du Chevalier Noir
These are the main masterpieces of modern kinography. The only film that comes close to their brilliance (and was directed by an auteur on that list) is Moissons du Ciell.
Right now, every patrician cinephile is awaiting for Interstellar (un film de Christopher Nolan).
>Thinking Godard is good at all
He's nothing more than the French Tarantino.
There's a reason why the pretentious enjoy schlock from Godard, Tarantino, and Luhrmann
While the true patricians who understand the artform of cinema at its purest form enjoy the life changing masterworks by Tarkovsky, Nolan, and Bresson.
Godard, that message-man, that amateur politician, doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Nolan. Godard is a solemn, humorless bore, much like Antonioni -- very entertaining for children and simpletons, but trash for any discerning and intelligent kinophile.
Batman Begins- 5.5/10
The Prestige- 6.5/10
The Dark Knight- 6/10
The Dark Knight Rises- 3/10
Nolan is a wholly mediocre director and you guys are fucking idiots.
You are disgustingly wrong you filthy little plebeian.
Batman Begins- 8.5/10
The Prestige- 10/10
The Dark Knight- 9.5/10
The Dark Knight Rises- 7/10
Excuse me? I identify as gender-fluid with a preference towards female pronouns. Not surprised that a bigot like yourself wouldn't be capable of comprehending the subtle brilliance of Nolan's intellectual stimulating cinema.
It's always opposite day on /tv/. This once great board has become the stomping ground of autistic contrarian shut-ins, and threads such as these are all that remain of the glory years.
Soar high, fellow patrician
Memento is nothing beyond its storytelling gimmick, The Prestige is decent until its mega contrived third act and Inception is an utterly dull film that fails to live up to the promise of its concept. About 80% of the script is exposition.
Get better taste and don't you dare compare Nolan, a jacked up blockbuster babby, to masters like Tarkovsky or Bresson, you mongoloid.
There are no subtleties in Inception, Nolan is a destroyer of ambiguity. He doesn't care about creating art, he cares about pleasing critics and getting as many box office dollars as possible.
all these people falling for baits, it's not even clever
Nothing about my opening post is bait.
I'm sorry that you don't watch as many films as me, but you don't have to project your insecurities over being a plebeian onto me or the other patricians in this thread.
>Get better taste and don't you dare compare Nolan, a jacked up blockbuster babby, to masters like Tarkovsky or Bresson, you mongoloid.
This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've read on /tv/ in a long time. Nolan has an absolutely stellar track record, and, with his upcoming space epic, it will get more stellar still.
>Nolan is a destroyer of ambiguity
Hahaha top fucking kek. Yeah, the endings of Inception (especially Inception) and Memento are totally unambiguous, right? Inception has one of the greatest mindfuck endings in cinema.
Nice group of artists OP.
My rankings of them would be:
The only two that I'm not a big fan of and consider incredibly overrated and pretentious would be Malick and Bresson. The rest of GOAT tier though.
What would you guys say is the best film by each of these masters?
For me; it'd be:
>Ma nuit chez Maud
>Au hasard Balthazar
>L'Année dernière à Marienbad
>Moissons du Ciell
I've heard of Bergman before but never seen anything by him.
Big fan of Nolan and Malick (Nolan a bit more-so). What are some good movies to start off with from all of these directors?
Fun fact: Resnais was a capeshit fan, he wanted to adapt comics like Flash Gordon or Tintin, plus was a good friend with and worked on screenplays with Stan Lee.
Also he was one the biggest comics collector in Europe and he co-created a comics club, the French /co/ of the 60's, later joined by people like Chris Marker or Jodo
Refn will be lucky to be allowed anywhere near a camera again after the pathetic failure that was OGF
You are barking up the wrong tree.
I notice that whenever a /tv/ faggot decides to call patrician directors "entry level", they are never able to back that up by giving examples of better ones. Probably because they are insecure about their own tastes, and cower at the mention of such masters like Tarkovsky, Malick and Nolan
>Stop jumping on a bandwagon of plebs who expected it to be Drive 2.0 and were let down due to their own ignorance.
Y'know, not everyone who dislikes OGF was thinking it'd be Drive 2.0.
It's not a competent film. It's mediocre -- and that's on a good day.
Like watching paint dry
The epitome of pretension
Convoluted nonsensical nonsense that retards like to pretend is deep and complex
An innovative but thoroughly average director who is arguably the most overrated of all time. His films also have a lot of problems with tone consistency.
I'll give you this one. One of the GOAT
This better be bait.
Muh gimmicky blend of naturalism and surrealism! MUH PRETENTIOUS POETRY!
Pretty but empty visuals that are entirely devoid of any type of substance. He also can't write worth a damn which causes his films to be further ruined by corny melodramatic pseudo intellectual narration
Decent action movie director, nothing more, nothing less.
His films aren't visually pleasing to look at, he can't direct action worth a damn so it all looks clunky and hard to follow, his scripts are all incredibly convoluted and poorly structured, and all fall apart if you spend more than 10 minutes thinking about them, and he can't pace worth shit.
Retarded. It applies to any film maker unless you have ADHD or some shit that disables you from paying attention. For example, you can absolutely tell a Michael Bay film from just looking at explosions alone. Is Bay an auteur as well?
Robert haters getting blown the fuck out by based Andrei
>Is Bay an auteur as well?
Obviously, for the reasons you mentioned. Look up the term "vulgar auteurs"
>Directors whose work is commonly associated with vulgar auteurism include Paul W.S. Anderson, Tony Scott, John Hyams, Isaac Florentine, Neveldine & Taylor, Nimrod Antal, Michael Bay, Jon M. Chu, Russell Mulcahy, Joe Carnahan, and Justin Lin,
Bergman had never been inconsistent. The philosophy presented in each of his movies is straight as razor.
>Decent action movie director, nothing more, nothing less.
Wow so you admit of not having watched Ikiru, Rashomon and Madadayo? Way to expose your ignorance,kid.
>Kurosawa, Rohmer, Bergman, Tarkovsky, Bresson, Resnais, Kiarostami, Malick, Nolan, the list goes on!
The hallmarks of the tasteless and the uninitiated. It's okay if you're just getting into the medium, but there are some (even here, on a so called ''film'' board) that actually believe they are cultured or have a snippet of taste because they like these directors, when in actuality they are nothing more than embarrassing cringeworthy copy/paste babbies with no opinion on the medium they claim to love whatsoever.
For a cinephile like myself, it is truly disgusting to watch, and the main reason I, and many others, steer far away from this pit of despair and depravity. You are everything wrong with this board.
The Seventh Seal was marred by the comedy elements that were at odds and didn't feel in place alongside the rest of the film and the themes it tackled.
Persona's ending was tacked on bullshit and ruined an otherwise interesting film. The film was objectively hampered by the needless 'meta' elements that had no place in the film.
Wild Strawberries was also way too bland despite the really interesting themes being poorly tackled.
Just because he made a few films that weren't action movies, doesn't change the validity of my statement. His films are still nothing more than average.
>An innovative but thoroughly average director who is arguably the most overrated of all time. His films also have a lot of problems with tone consistency.
Bergman himself admitted his dissatisfaction with several of his films, but this is the only time I've seen anyone claim that his films fall short where "tone [sic] consistency" is concerned.
Nolan and Malick are bait, but the others are hallmarks of Movie-making history.
Just because they don't conform to your hipster taste, does not mean that they din't affect Cinema and the techniques and narratives developed with it.
I thought you said "Grande" auteurs
>The Seventh Seal was marred by the comedy elements that were at odds and didn't feel in place alongside the rest of the film and the themes it tackled.
Different Anon, but I must disagree: the humour was thoroughly in keeping. I think you don't understand the difference between tonal consistency and being tonally monochromatic.
So when did Kiarostami become acceptable to list alongside Rohmer, Tarkovsky, Bresson, Kurosawa, Resnais, and Bergman?
Not that I have a problem with it since I love the guy, but it seems like a more recent occurrence to see people referring to him as one of the all time best.
>great directors who deserve to be considered among the best?
>When film is not a document, it is dream. That is why Tarkovsky is the greatest of them all. He moves with such naturalness in the room of dreams. He doesn't explain. What should he explain anyhow? He is a spectator, capable of staging his visions in the most unwieldy but, in a way, the most willing of media. All my life I have hammered on the doors of the rooms in which he moves so naturally. Only a few times have I managed to creep inside. Most of my conscious efforts have ended in embarrassing failure...
- Ingmar Bergman
Here's another one of my favourites from Bergman:
>For me he's (Orson Welles)e just a hoax. It's empty. It's not interesting. It's dead. Citizen Kane, which I have a copy of — is all the critics' darling, always at the top of every poll taken, but I think it's a total bore. Above all, the performances are worthless. The amount of respect that movie's got is absolutely unbelievable.
“I’ve never gotten anything out of his movies. They have felt constructed, faux intellectual, and completely dead. Cinematographically uninteresting and infinitely boring. Godard is a fucking bore. He’s made his films for the critics. One of the movies, Masculin, Féminin, was shot here in Sweden. It was mind-numbingly boring.”- Ingmar Bergman
“His gifts as a director are enormous. I just can’t take him very seriously as a thinker — and that’s where we seem to differ, because he does. His message is what he cares about these days, and, like most movie messages, it could be written on the head of a pin.”- Orson Welles
“Someone like Jean-Luc Godard is for me intellectual counterfeit money when compared to a good kung-fu film.”- Werner Herzog
Are there any other notable Japanese directors?
Kurosawa seems to be the only one I ever see mentioned. I love his works and I've seen most of them but I never hear about any other Japanese director mentioned in movie buff circles other than possibly Miyazaki.
Mikio Naruse, Hiroshi Shimizu, Seijun Suzuki, Yasujiro Ozu, Kenji Mizoguchi, Shohei Imamura, Kon Ichikawa, Masahiro Shinoda, Yoshishige Yoshida, Hirokazu Kore-eda, Kiyoshi Kurosawa, Shunji Iwai, Toshiaki Toyoda, Yoji Yamada, Nagisa Oshima, Koji Wakamatsu, Kaneto Shinoda, Takeshi Kitano, Masaki Kobayashi, Hiroshi Teshigahara, Keisuke Kinoshita, Yasuzo Masumura
well stated. clear as vodka.
> i'd like two tickets to see some wicked shit on your big ass screen.