Can someone explain to me what this guy's deal was? Who is he and why did he "capture" some of Bane's men? Why does he give them to CIA? Obviously Bane is behind it but why does CIA think it was a legit thing? Where do they come from?
This movie is so confusing..
or wait, was he actually not involved with bane? did bane just learn about that transfer somehow?
anyone know this? or are you just not supposed to ask questions like that?
and why does he act all shady and barely speaks a word? does he know what will be happening?
h-he didn't fly so good
and WHY does he give the guys to CIA in the first place? was he paid? how much? if not, why did he do it then?
oh wait.. he actually says about the friends: "don't worry, no charge for them"
so that implies there was indeed a charge for the others. that makes sense
he's working for Bane, thats for sure.
They gave doctor Pavel to CIA because.. i dont.. CIA was looking for doctor Pavel too so... they had to find out what doctor pavel told them and then neutralize them
its a masterpiece
i wonder if bane paid him or if he is just one of the brothers. if bane payed him, that would be a pretty sweet deal: he gets money from both bane and CIA. He plays both factions. I now think that he is actually the protagonist of the movie, definitely the smartest guy and the one who triumphs in the end. I guess he took the money and moved to some nice place, Hawaii or some shit, and lived a happy life there from then on.
Barsad was a mercenary and member of the League of Shadows, acting as Bane's second-in-command and a secondary antagonist in The Dark Knight Rises. Most of the time, he is seen at Bane's side, being his right-hand man, assistant, enforcer and most loyal, trusted henchman.
>After Bane is left to deal with a wounded Batman, Barsad escorts Talia to a Tumbler. As he protects her whilst they go to climb in, he is shot in the chest by Deputy Commissioner Foley and falls over off the vehicle.
Dr. Pavel was held by the CIA way before the movie starts.
Bane and his men grabbed him.
CIA hired some guns to grab Pavel back.
These hired guns were either killed by Banes men which then pretended to be the hired guns or the hired guns were Banes men all along and CIA was a dumbass for hiring the wrong people.
When Masketta Man came up to CIA he gave back Dr. Pavel because he was supposed to grab him back and gave some of Banes men as a present on the side.
I only realized this last March, this scene is so fucking deep.
He did it for whatever was in that briefcase.
> because we had to find out what he told you
Bane wanted to know what the CIA knows about his plan from Dr. Pavel.
Of course the whole plane thing helped Bane not at all in that regard. For all he knew they just sent another CIA that doesn´t know all the details of the job or CIA just pretended to be retarded.
i still have this plan of buying all the clothes of CIA and just wearing them all of the time and posing exactly like him when i stand somewhere. i wonder how many people would recognize it
Nah someone with the talent and thirst for adventure like him could never simply drop everything and settle down in Hawaii. He must have simply left for more missions and schemes; its not about the money for him, its about watching the world swing around you.
Are you trying to tell me that CIA is working for some kind of government agency?
Are there links to all of those clothes on ebay or somewhere else?
And by the way, why nobody cosplays CIA and Bane together? I'm pretty sure there are lots of /tv/-users that go to San Diego Comic Con
Thats just what he wantedthem to think, you can see in Nolan's brilliantly arranged scene how fake and absurd his shooting looked, its because at that point he got everything he could get out of them and knew either Batman would win or the nuke would go off.
In the chaos it was the perfect time to escape.
Fuck, I forgot the pic.
>Next film starts
>Overview of a busy Bermuda street
>A man in a covering panama hat moves slickly through the street towards an appartment
>Inside he takes off his hat revealing the face of Maskettaman
>All the way from Gotham he brought the unopened briefcase
>He lays it on the table and opens an envalope left by the door with a 4 digit number
>Excited to see his prize he slowly opens the briefcase with anticipation
>But inside is not money but a screen
>"You thought you could just outsmart CIA like that did you"
>A webcam bears the face of a cheeckily grinned Irishman
>"Meet me at these co-ordinates I've got another job for you"
The ship course I just filed in my log lists Smee, my crew, Tink here, but only one of you rascals!
OK one thing bothered me. Who's Itteen?
Itteen/Agent C is actually CIA's boss. An ambitious woman of Arabic descent who made her way to a top agency position. They have history together but CIA decides to break it off. Doesn't help that whenever they're both together there's an enormous amount of sexual tension though
When CIA says "Uh... you don't get to bring friends." he is looking at the spanish guy who has delivered Dr. Pavel yet it is Dr. Pavel who responds saying "They are not my friends."
Is CIA secretly suspicious that the guys under the hoods are the spanish guy's friends? Did he have a feeling that there was a ruse afoot?
>who are you? I'm CIA
>that sound when the guy hits the plane
nah, that refers back to an early season 1 episode of Agents of CIA when Dr. Pavel did bring friends and they ended up wrecking CIA's apartment with no survivors while Pavel said in shock at the buffet and said nothing
ever since that episode, CIA never let him bring friends again
>Tell me about Bane! Why does he wear the maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaask?
I COME FROM A LAND DOWN UNDER
WHERE GUYS ARE BIG AND FLIGHT ARE OVER
>calm waves of the atlantic are interrupted by a cheap motorboat guttering past
>Onboard Maskettaman is being driven by a tall Bermudan
>Masketta lifts his hand the boat stops
>"But there's nothing here for miles man" the driver says in his deep carribean voice
>Masketta looks around and smirks deviously
>He pushes the driver out of the way and violently kicks the motor off the boat grabbing onto it as it sinks
>The driver now stranded on a useless raft stares in astonishment
>Masketta drifts further and further down holding his breath
>the water becomes darker and darker and his face reveals his growing feintness
>Suddenly light appears and we see a clean metal floor, in his perspective we slowly rise up to see a pair of brown boots and beige trousers
>"You made it this far" the agency echoed through the chamber
>"Could also say for you" Masketta coughed as he rose to his feet
>"Why did you come here?"
>"You'll have to tell me"
>"We knew we couldn't stop Bane on that plane, we had to trust Pavel"
>"What did he give you?"
>"He gave us time, time you will be spending" he smirked nodding
>"You don't call the shots down here, now follow me"
Basically, the guy in your picture (Barsad in the script) is a co-conspirator in Bane's plan to get captured and confirm what information Dr. Pavel (a nuclear physicist who Bane requires for his plot to "free" Gotham via threat of nuclear explosion) has relayed to the CIA. He makes it appear as though he is providing the CIA with valuable prisoners, when in fact he is giving them a death sentence.
If you have any more questions - any questions at all, OP - please don't hesitate to ask. I think I speak for all of /tv/ when I say that I hope you found this post informative and enlightening.
Please direct any feedback to firstname.lastname@example.org :-----)
I don't understand your question. This is the extent of Barsad's dialogue:
>He wasn't alone.
>Don't worry, no charge for them.
>They work for the mercernary. The masked man.
Can you clarify where you think mosquitoes are referenced?
Dobson worked for the CIA, i'll let you put the pieces together.
The last line there, actually says: "They work for the mercenary, The Mosquito Man".
I know, because of his accent, it can sound like "the masked man" but I assure you he says mosquito.
The script says different. I think you're in error.
I'm sorry if I'm late to the party but I just figured out why they needed one of us in the wreckage, brother.
>me, my men, dr pavel and only one of you
wreckage, brother was the you SO does that mean that the "for you" is a codeword to set the plan in action so that wreckage, brother braces himself to fight?
FOR = FOXTROT OSCAR ROMEO, bane and CIAs previous relations? was this a hint a CIA that he played bane like a romeo?
YOU = YANKEE OSCAR UNIFORM, uniform, they sorta fooled cia by playing dress up if the post above is correct
But how did bane know CIA was gonna ask the question that allowed him to answer "for you"?
Was it coincidence? Was he gonna say it anyway to confuse CIA into letting his guard down?
What is going on
that's the first script, the one with "this can't be happening, I'm in charge here!"
That list is wrong, it's Smee, my men, Doctor Pavel here, but only Juan Ovus; hence why Bane tells Juan Ovus to stay to be in the wreckage albeit this time he pronounces his surname correctly
There's a thing in cinema called ad-lib.
When your actor realises something, when he feels it deep inside of him, you don't stop him. You let him go.
Josh Stewart felt that his character had a backstory that deserved to be told, but they couldn't because the movie was about Batman and you already had Bane and CIA. The Mosquito line is the only hint to this incredible story, and I heard that there's talk for it to be Nolan's next movie after Interstellar
There's a thing in logic called Occam's Razor, which asserts that when choosing between two apparently valid explanations, you ought to select the one with the least assumptions. As you need to synopsise a hypothetical to defend your claim, most rational people would be inclined to read the line as "Masked Man". "Masked Man"
- Is appropriate to the context (he is handing over people who apparently work for Bane (he confirms this fact in the next line; "Bane?" "[sound of affirmation]), who is a male that wears a mask)
- Is referenced in multiple scripts
- Does not relate to the scene in question in an obvious way
- Requires unfalsifiable assumptions about the mental state of Barsad's actor
- Is not referenced in a single script
I have no idea what compelled you to believe that was what was said, but I'm as unconvinced as I've ever been about something. Even if he did say it, it doesn't change the bare facts of the scene in question, which is what OP is interested in.
not sure if new as fuck or particularly dedicated troll
Later on, on the plane how did CIA know that was Ahyrred Ghun with the bag over his head? Did he know him from before? What about Bane? Did CIA know that was him beforehand? Why was he playing with him like that?
Will we ever truly understand Nolan's masterpiece?
Alright, let's do it your way
- One tripfag defends this position
- To do so he uses elements that weren't in the movie
- Double meaning Nolan is known for
-Hardy confirmed that "For you" had such a double meaning, so we know that we can't take any line of that scene at face value
- Thousands of anons heard "Mosquito man"
- Capemovie, where there's always codenames
So tell me, by using Occam's Razor, what's more likely? That one person, you, misheard a line, or that thousand of peoples devoted to analyse every single frame and sound of this scene for almost the last 3 years are wrong?
"Lotta loyalty for Ahyrred Ghun"
I think perhaps CIA knew Ahyrred Ghun from a previous operation where he betrayed his higher-ups. It still begs the question how CIA knew it was him through the hood?
Perhaps a distinctive tattoo or item of clothing?
But Anon, the line is "A lotta of Loyal Tea for a Ayrred Ghun"
Bane, and the League of Shadows, are in fact in the tea market
>One tripfag defends this position
It's not a position to defend, it's a reality of sound and script not seriously contested anywhere outside of this board and maybe a few subreddits.
>To do so he uses elements that weren't in the movie
Oh boy, the suspense is killing me. You wanna get specific there, big guy?
>Double meaning Nolan is known for
What double meaning?
>Hardy confirmed that "For you" had such a double meaning, so we know that we can't take any line of that scene at face value
Hardy confirmed that by way of inflection, he slightly changed the intended meaning of "for you" from relating to pain to relating to size.
>Thousands of anons heard "Mosquito man"
I'll bet my house you don't have a single source for this claim.
>Capemovie, where there's always codenames
So now Mosquito Man is a codename? A codename for who? Because I've seen it variously projected onto both Bane (a codename in and of itself, same as "masked man") and Barsad himself.
>thousand of peoples devoted to analyse every single frame and sound of this scene for almost the last 3 years are wrong
I'd believe it. You guys have gone many steps beyond overanalysis, from a cursory glance at far too many bane maymay OPs.
That's "a hired gun", it's not a name, it's a reference to presumed occupation. I urge you to visit ear, nose and throat doctor. Maybe a psychotherapist too.
>Hardy confirmed that "For you" had such a double meaning
Bullshit. He said the script had it one way (It would be extremely painful for you) and he himself decided to intone it to mean something else (I'm a big guy for you). Nolan had nothing to do with it.
The variety of beings should not rashly be diminished, this is called Anti-Occam's Razor, everybody in here agrees that Barsad is saying "the masketaman"
-no one other than you it's agreeing with that
-the script you are showing is fake
-you can heard it in the movie
-he has mosquito face
-it's nolan's part of the plan
you are obviously wrong, and you are blinded by the misusing of logic.
Nolan let's his actors test the masterpiece he's written to give their own point of view and take on the lines
Letting his actors work like this is why he's the greatest director of our time
Clearly Nolan kept the double meaning for a reason
>everybody in here agrees that Barsad is saying "the masketaman"
I don't know what thread you're reading, but almost everyone in here seems to think the line is "The mosquito man", despite nobody being able to explain who or what a mosquito man is, what its significance is, or how it relates to the scene in the least bit.
>the script you are showing is fake
Browsing through various script sites just then, it seems to be the only version easily available online. From that, if it's not the correct version, I gather it's at least the most commonly accepted version, which contradicts your point previous to this one.
>-you can heard it in the movie
This is under contest right now.
>-he has mosquito face
No he doesn't.
>-it's nolan's part of the plan
I don't understand what you're saying.
Wow going all the way to post a fake just to back up yourself in an online argument? That's some pathetic shit right there bro. Here's teh originall script, it's not mosquito nor masked, but masketta.
>Here's teh originall script,
I'll ignore the fact that you just posted an obviously doctored image (yeah, like I wouldn't see that the highlighter is fucking identical to the one in my pic), and point out that you're acknowledging that, if authentic, your pic is previous to the version I posted - i.e., irrelevant to the discussion.
> Get them, I'm bored, I'll call Ittin
So, who was Ittin? And why did CIA want to call him when bored?
Oh so my image is the doctored one? You obviously photoshopped mine from an earlier thread. I like how you point out your fallacies in falsifying evidence and then try to shift them on me. Very rude.
Who was the biggest guy on the plane? Bane?
The Mosquito Man is too small to show up on screen but people are fighting him throughout the movie.
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When CIA is listing all the people on the flight plan he mentions someone called Juan Avyu.
Later in the scene Bane tells Brother that the expect Juan Avus in the wreckage.
Is this a continuity error or are they separate characters?
Holy shit, I just realized something. At the end of the movie Bruce Wayne holds up a glass of wine towards the audience. What if Barsad was actually saying, "He works for the mercenary, the moscato man?" I rewatched the movie and we never once see Bruce put the Batman costume on on-screen.
Bane = Bruce wAyNE
>I rewatched the movie and we never once see Bruce put the Batman costume on on-screen.
>Bane = Bruce wAyNE
Come to think of it, we never see Bruce and Bane in the same room together.
Good detective work, Anon.
You're truly just double playing yourself with all these fakes
What gives? Your copy of the script is missing a line that's in my copy.
Then maybe you can tell me who "CIA man" is when his name obviously is CIA?
Use the archive, silly. I'll spoonfeed you but only this time, next time you're on your own.
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