>>922849 Yep. She was from a fairly new company and the company targets (English-speaking) foreigners on their website as their niche. They have some pretty girls that speak English, but I found they bent over backwards to help me because I spoke passable Japanese.
>>922861 What exactly do you think is wrong about it? I know some escorts and I have more respect for them than a free slut. I dated someone who was used to be a mamasan and ran in those circles. In fact, if I ever make it back East we talked about going into business together.
>>922859 For 90 minutes, delivered to my hotel room, ¥36,000 including delivery, "choosing fee" and registration. >>922864 >why pay for something I could get for free I have a Japanese girlfriend, but she was busy last night, and I wanted to try someone new without having to waste time bothering with game. Time means more to me than money. >>922887 >>922914 http://japanese-escort-girls.com/concept.php >>922917 I meant that exactly how it sounds.
>>922973 >blowjob with condom At first I thought that was a bit weird too, but it was literally used at the last second to make it easier to clean. It's not like she was blowing me with a rubber for 90 minutes. You can pay ¥4000 to finish in her mouth, which the organisers over the phone highly recommend, but I wasn't keen on that.
>>922974 I had the girl in OP, and that must've been a few months ago because her hair is longer and she's more fit. I was worried by the blury faces, but she truly was a stunner. You would see her in a club or on the street and immediately want to talk to her. She was really classy, too.
>>922974 Sorry, missed the part about paying. You arrange it over the phone in English or Japanese and negotiate what you want, what extras you want (cosplay, take home panties, pissing, etc) and when she gets there, you agree to her terms and conditions and pay when she starts the clock. It didn't feel like a transaction as much as I expected. She seemed a little upset when I said お疲れ様です at the end, lol.
>>922995 ok, i guess i'll give it a try next week when i arrive in tokyo. it is quite expensive and i don't want to played or tricked for money. links to shady sites on 4chan are not really giving trustworthy vibe.
>>923002 >i don't want to played or tricked for money. links to shady sites on 4chan are not really giving trustworthy vibe. I'd take this over being hassled by a big black man in some seedy area every time. This company takes themselves seriously. Whether you use it or not is up to you, and I couldn't care less if you do or don't.
>>922980 It seemed like she had real aspirations. And that was the only girl who ever opened up to me about the kind of indentured servitude they have. Even a lot of a legit workers in the Middle East have their passports confiscated by their employers until their contract is up.
>>923006 I was real deep in that life out there. Not partaking, but actually working with the girls and mamasans. I even earned the nickname "Papasan". One thing I respect is that most are there by choice. Would some pick another profession, yeah. But girls that found it wasn't for them, I've seen them sent back to Thailand without even finishing their contract. And I've seem their job used as a means to reach their dreams. I know someone building a house for their mom now. I know many that's gotten married, or at least sponsored, where they don't even live that life anymore. I know people that have their own restaurants and stores. The thing I fear the most are the ladies that go with Arabs, because many don't give a fuck. Force chicks to fuck raw, throw them off of balconies, rape, torture, and murder. The Paki cops that pick up ladies and rape them, and still maybe turn them into immigration. But they make way more money in Bahrain than they would in Thailand
>>923006 And they all have real aspirations by the way. But for the most part. They actually live a pretty good life. I can post pics. Yachting trips, parties, gifts, etc., etc. Most Arabs actually don't even fuck them. Just pay for their time. Of course the Americans and other farangs are getting it in.
The thing that makes Asians, including the one in the OP, and the Thai lady in Bahrain, is that the GFE is pretty much included. It's not the standard American, back alley, wham bam, thank you ma'am. The service you get is one typically reserved for the expense Heidi Fleiss, top tier escorts. The reason why, as was mentioned previously, many people don't even pay for the sex. Just the companionship /time.
>>923013 >you paid that much and sex isn't even included in the service? why not just go to tobita shinchi in Osaka? Because sex wasn't the only thing I wanted, and I live in Tokyo. Like I said, I was in a hotel for the night and wanted to try being with someone new. It's not all about the penetration, lol. >>923014 I'm in my early 20's. >>923148 Basically, the GFE was what I was after. I really feel I would've missed out if I didn't speak the language though. It would've been limited at best, and a chore at worst.
>>923014 >>923193 Sorry, should've said in my 20's with a decent amount of money. I've worked hard for it, so I feel I can spend it on things I want from time to time. But as I said, it was my first time with an escort.
>>923193 One of my best experiences was with a Thai chick who couldn't speak English, and I didn't know Thai at the time, but I often think about her and how much better it would be if I ever saw her again. But maybe she just strove extra hard due to the lack of an ability to communicate. In addition to the sex she gave me a massage and we cuddled, lay together for a while.
>>923196 Depends. Delivery Health does usually not include Sex, but you can ask the girl if she provides "additional service". If you want to be sure to have intercourse, you'd have to go to a soapland or Tobita/Matsushima/Imazato Shinchi.
>>923196 You can, to a limited degree. Of course some girls won't do some things and others will. You can't do anything aggressive of course, but I'm sure there'd be someone who could help you out if you spoke to the organisers over the phone. The girls follow them and collect money based on what they say. There's no negotiation afterwards (except, say, if you chose to forego the condom in a BJ at the last minute). I don't know about other services, other than an erotic massage service, which is more prevalent, but run by the same people. >>923197 >maybe she just strove extra hard due to the lack of an ability to communicate Could've been that, definitely. Mine was the opposite. She said no one else she's had could speak Japanese, so she was very surprised and (genuinely) happy. The conversation certainly wasn't routine, so the GFE was strong. >>923205 I think it's bedtime for you, young man. >>923236 This. There's only so much you can do in your own hotel. If you want actual penetration or full kink, you'd have to go somewhere with someone Japanese, and even then, you'd be lucky to get someone good. Why would an establishment want to risk damaging their top girl with a huge-dicked foreigner? >>923244 You can have a foot job as part of the regular deal, I believe. It was one of the options for finishing, in any case. Her feet were very soft, and she was very gentle with mine. Personally, I hate feet, so usually I'm not into it, but when she was licking my ankles, oh man. I wish I ran the site, or at least helped organise it. I see many missed opportunities with how they're running it now. Such is the nature of Japan though.
>>923348 Probably again tonight, to be honest. Still in the hotel, still don't want to sleep with my girlfriend. >>923387 >Did she allowed a pic dressed and naked? No (according to the rules), but to be fair, I didn't ask. Apparently even asking means she will stop and leave at that moment with no refund. Thought that was interesting. >Describe her, how was the "date" and the "deal" She was honestly very attractive. She was from Okinawa, so she had lovely coloured skin, without it being too dark (she was fascinated by how white I am though). Hair down to her ass, nice pair of C's, great legs, big lips, really nice looking "goods", big eyes. Dressed really classy in a black dress and nice pumps. The earrings killed it for me a little, but it seems like that's her signature look. Overall, she looked very high class without being all about the brand. The deal was pretty easy, she came to my hotel room, I let her in and we talked for a while (mostly about why I can speak Japanese when no one else she's had can) and some getting-to-know-you stuff. Obviously that's not for everyone, but I liked it. She got out the T&Cs, which I had to sign, and a request form for how you wanted it. The first half was things you don't want, e.g. no kissing, no her being naked (but honestly, what's the point in that?). The second half was options of how you wanted to finish. BJ (with condom/without+￥4000), hand/foot job, and two or three more. I can't remember what they were, sorry. After that, she undressed me, we took a shower, then got into it. She was very sweet at the end. It was very GFE. >>923395 I'd improve the Japanese-English, the early 2000s website, the way it's marketed to foreigners and the way they handle emails vs. phone calls. I think there should be a feedback form for the company itself, and one for the girls as well, scaling 1-5 on looks, manners, skills, etc. It'll help them market to specific clients more. >>923403 You're welcome.
>>923423 It's often possible to take pictures (without the face) or videos if you pay an additional fee.
Speaking from my experience, choosing an escort from an agency catering to foreigners is not a bad idea even if you speak japanese. I had my share of not so nice (= boring, disappointing, photoshopped) ladies employed by regular agencies (plus the bother of explaining to them that I know the rules and don't have any STDs etc).
It may be cheaper to head for a middle-class soapland though, if you know how to read japanese and do your research before choosing a girl there.
>>923443 Usually, the girl wouldn't be my type, but since she was different to what I have, it was refreshing. Objectively, it would be a difficult comparison, because they're both very different. qt was tall and classy, gf is short and cute. Gf and I are both in Tokyo. >>923444 What >>923446 said, but it's used like "thanks for your hard work" in the context I used it, but she interpreted as "thanks for doing your job", which would have seemed cold. It's all about nuance. >Do they allow tittyfucking and cumming on their faces, and licking up the cum afterwards?? As I said, I've only done it once, and I don't work for them, but I guess that's possible? There's at least one girl with F-cups, so it'd be a shame otherwise, right?
I bought my way out of wizardry while in Japan. I went to a hote-heru, which is basically where you pay at the shop, then walk to a nearby love hotel for the service. And wow was it good. If anyone here's ever in Osaka, I cannot recommend the place enough. The place I went to is called Gekiyasuiin. The girls are cute, talented, actually Japanese, and even look like their picture (or not far off at least). And, as the name implies, it's dirt cheap. I got 90 min for about $120. That's less than half what I would have paid in Tokyo. They do accept foreigners, but only if you can speak and understand at least basic Japanese. If you can't speak at all, you're out of luck.
Officially, there's no full sex involved, but I read online before going that most girls there will let you put it in if you show yourself to be not a total d-bag. And mine did. She gave me a total GFE, and I left stupidly happy. Definitely one of the best highlights of my trip, and still I think about her often.
>>923584 Depends on whose moral standards. The puritanical hypocritical American ones? I don't have those. Prostitutes aren't cheating. They aren't even people. Just life sized sex toys. You think the only people partaking of these legal services in Japan (Germany, Spain, and Amsterdam as well) are single? Hell, at least in Japan there's typically no penetration.
>>923470 Did you really google? Because their website is the first hit. Hell, their website is [name of the place] dot com.
Anyway here's where it is. Look for the door to the left of the vending machine and go up the stairs to 305. You can see the love hotel where you'll get serviced right across the street, too. https://goo[spoiler].gl[/spoiler]/maps/pHCUF
>>923592 Its so weird to not have sexual intercourse in the vagina (penetration). Also, whores are also people. I like to respect them, talk to them, share dinner and a drink with them... But in the end I wan some cuddling, kissing, fucking. Hey, its a service. I now that its their job and I want to have a good cumming session.
>>923619 If you say so. I dated them both at the same time. Started out as a customer. It felt pretty pimp fucking for free what others were paying for. Not even the fucking but the QT that others were willing to pay for but refused, that I was getting.
>>923652 My girls probably couldn't be more opposite. One of the reasons why I kept them both. One of them lived in a house with a bunch of other chicks, so overnights were all at my place. Her body was banging the sex actually got kind of wacky after we started dating. If she wasn't in the mood to so something she'd tell me no. I probably could push the issue, but if I have to I don't want it. At the same time she was more fun to just chill, cuddle, and so things with, plus she was an awesome cook. I enlisted her, (and she 4 of her friends ) to cook for 14 people. No issue. No charge. She's actually technically still my GF.
The other one body wasn't as good (but this is subjective, she was very slim, tall maybe 120lbs/58K and older , but could pass for early 20s). But she was the best fuck I ever had, but we had more arguments and such and she was more questioning. I asked her why she was so concerned when she fucks other guys when she goes to work. Her point is that it's her work and means nothing, I pointed out I wasn't paying for it and it was my work/good karma to make others happy. She actually caught me in bed with the other one. I told the younger one that is was just some crazy chick who was mad I wasn't fucking her anymore. My younger chick (though she wasn't young/28) never asked any questions or questioned me or had any real arguments, except once when I looked through her phone while she was sleep (bitch move I know, but in the same way she never asked anything, she never said anything about her work/customers so I wanted to see if she had other "boyfriends" or guys getting the same treatment I was getting. She wasn't. )
>>923641 Alas, she's not there anymore. Hopefully she's gone on to better things, but it does make me sad that I won't be able to see her again next time I'm there. But the place does have a pretty good reputation, so if you go, odds are good you'll have a good time no matter who you get.
Of course it's still a wildcard whether or not you'll actually get FS. If you can read, jbbs is a useful resource, you can see who's been known to give what service: http://jbbs.shitaraba.net/bbs/lite/read.cgi/sports/37339/1404898062/
Code: 梨 = No sex G = Sex with condom N = Sex w/o condom NN = Sex w/o condom + cum inside
>>923652 Oh yeah. I did stay in the place of the older chick. She even gave me a key. Many times I just came in and started fucking her while she was asleep. Freakiest chick I've been with. Both each other's number ones. (Which made me feel good considering the number of cocks she had ) . Gave me my first anal, we would fuck all day, some S&M/Dom-Sub stuff. But there is more to life than sex, (though she'd cook for me and took care of me well, as well, I actually had more fun with her, but more content with the younger overall. Especially with the jealousy issue. All good when I was with her but constant calls, messages, and drama when I left.
And this is why most Japanese health delivery and pink bars don't allow non-Japanese. Because most, especially legit/legal ones, don't do full sex and the big scary foreigners can't seem to comprehend on how the service offers everything but the sex.
>>923685 Naw most don't do it because the girls are just racist. My one American friend has better Japanese than my Chinese doctor friend who has already passed the N1. His coworkers would take him out to a titty bar (not a strip club) fairly regularly after work. The guy at the door would always complain and when the group said they were going to go somewhere else they would let him in. He knew the rules and could read the rules just fine.
Eventually they stopped inviting him, even though there was never any problem the girls and management continued to to complain explaining to his Japanese coworkers that he was unwanted there and they were tired of him coming. Most Japanese can only stand up to authority for so long if they do at all and they gave in.
I'm heading to Malaysia, Cambodia and Thailand with a few mates - but none of my friends are willing to fly Malaysian Airlines. Instead, they want to fly AirAsia, or anything else except Malaysian Airlines no matter how inconvenient it is.
Are they being unreasonable? Their argument is: >hurr durr bad things come in threes >muh safety, look at MA's safety rating!
>>923745 I actually have, though prior to may have had a similar view toward paying for pussy. I only posted it as a joke, though. When you break down the basic economics of it and the money you'll spent trying to court a chick or get a one night stand, while on vacay, there is nothing wrong with getting a prostitute. In fact it's the smart choice
>>923784 >In fact it's the smart choice but the intimacy is lacking. I had a two night stand in Chiang Mai and fell in love with this adorable girl, i honestly consider returning one day and taking her away with me. but that's silly
>>923895 Intimacy is not lacking. Good whores ask about you, your hobbies, your job. You can take some precautions by being a little vague, but not too much. I will prefer to see a regular hooker than a night stand because I can repeat.
>>924247 I kind of fell into the life by dating and friend in so many hookers, then when ships or new personnel passed through my AOR, I would introduce them to ladies, which is how I got the name. There is also people I know that are "taxi drivers", where they drive women to clubs or to customers. I doubt they get rich off of it. You can make money being a pimp, but it takes some up front money. You may have to pay for their plane ticket, house and freed them, but the there is up to 5x return on your investment. Chicks are under contract where they agree to leave their home country, you take care of them and they pay you about $5300 USD to get out of their contract. And a lot of girls will stay on with a mamasan after her contract, but the mamasan loses some control and won't get as much money out of them
>>924410 I can see this happen. I remember when me and freind first went to a bar that seemed like a regular. Live cover band and everything. He's chatting, dancing, talking to this girl all night. When are about to leave she says she's tired and wants to go home. He says do you want ot come with me? She says yes. He says lets, go, and then she drops a price. Had no idea she was a hooker. That's why peopel like the Asian chicks so much, it's a lot more natural and a lot less business like, than prostitution elsewhere. Thailand, and Asian hookers (they actually can be found in various countries outside of Asia, changed my view on what a hooker was, as compared to how they are viewed (and typically are) in the USA.
>>924345 I fucked this one Thai hooker. Afterward she said "Wow, I haven't been fucked in a week". Where she worked was mostly Arabs and they would just want to talk/hangout/drink/party/maybe a massage, but not have sex. And she said even the ones that do fuck for about 5 minutes and pass out.
>>924424 Dammit, my second time typing this because page refreshed while I was digging the photo out of my Whatsapp.
Anyways, my friend didn't take her home. At that point he was pretty anti-paying for pussy. Though I think he did bang a hooker in the Philippines, but that was for pocket change, might not of even been a hooker, I don't remember. Anyways by the time we left he became a huge whore monger. To the point all he needed to do was send a message on whatsapp or call one our hooker homegirls and have pussy delivered. One big boss (didn't have girls working for her directly but helped coordinate visas, transportation, find new girls, front money and what not , and in exchange other mamasans all gave her a cut) would give him first right of refusal on new girls, like the one attached. She also had a professional sushi chef come sushi for him personally for his birthday and gave him a 2 for 1 special on some chicks
>>924497 That not the one he rejected. That's the one of ones who he got first dibs on. She speaks very good English. Was educated in Sweden, a party girl, little bit of a coke habit., Started hooking because she likes sex and money.
>>924497 That wasn't the one he rejected. That was one of the ones he had first dibs. This chick was educated in Sweden, and was really just a party girl who like the idea she could get paid to have sex. A small coke habit. Real petite, but likes to get tossed around and fucked hard, from what my friend says. A real freak . Pain is pleasure type. But will throw it back on you just as hard as you give it. I was trying to find other pics of her but no luck and this was the only one I was given and no luck trolling other people's, or the club she works, FB pages.
>>923983 >>923987 >>923988 Some friends don't want to hear about your job or your life. Some friends you can't talk to about how you had fucked them over or felt bad about something or whatever. Some friends you just don't feel comfortable talking about personal stuff with.
I've never been a John, but the appeal is completely understandable.
>>924532 I think I'm the only person that never asks about other's job. To me, my job is something very personal and never talk about it, especially in social situations, I mean...I wanted to go out to not think about it! Why do you want to make me think about it again? It makes no sense...let's talk about hobbies, passions, females and whatnot...but talking about our jobs? Get out of my face! Ask me if I'm good, if I'm happy...don't just compare your job to mine so you can feel better or worst about yourself. >"ahah so...is your job/life better than mine? oh, if it's better I don't want to talk about it and I'll change the topic right away!" I surrounded myself with these people...
>>924512 Nice body. How tall was she? Indeed she has a cute charm, but I will love to do her with more cute cute clothes.Talkin about, are there agencies of escorts in Thailand? What about the rest of Asia besides Japan?
Getting back on top, typically escorts while traveling. It makes a lot of sense. My friend, who was initially opposed to them, came around to the thingking, you are only are going to be in this place a short while. Why invest time and money in hopes of hooking up are spending time with a chick, when you can more ot less spend the same amount on a sure thing and cut through the bullshit. I've been with prostitutes in Asia and Europe. The ones in Europe were South American and maybe Spanish or Eastern European, I don't remember it was back in 02 for the latter. There is definitely a difference in Asia and other countries. In Europe it tends to be contained to establishments for such activities, or the trashy side of the road types (thinking umbrella girls in Italy). It's pretty much exclusively about paying for sex. It's about the act and the girls goal is to get to and through the act ASAP.
In Asia, it's more about paying for the time, which may or may not include sex. Matter of fact, I've seen plenty of times where a guy took a chick intending to have sex but ended up partying, drinking, talking, and passes out without ever getting to the act, and not even be disappointed because they otherwise enjoyed their night and spent not more than they would've on a date anyway.
Girls I know, (Asians) who have repeat customers or even guys who want to officially date or marry then I've asked why do these guys like you. They've been told it's because they're funny and joke around mostly. And "good take care" which basically means attention and not making the guy feels like he's just a "customer". Customer is what they call their Johns. I think Asians, more than others, look at it like it's just another job as well, while in Europe something drove them to that life other than pursuit of cash. Like abject poverty. I know some who worked in massage parlors, cashiers, restaurants, and just realized they could make more money on their backs
>>924659 I have yet nit experienced 100% escorts, but it seems that they give you a better deal in the interaction. I hate when they just want money and make you cum as fast possible. Specially ex soviet grills are the worst looking only for money. Ib the middle some latinas and spanis/italians. Also, its good if they have a lingerie wardrobe extended too boring if u use the same outfit. How common us to gift lingerie to them¿ I did gifted away a nice babydoll of Victoria Secret
>>924658 They were "whores" themselves. Contrary to popular belief, hookers aren't vampires that hibernate all day and only come out at night looking to suck your cock. I used to think the same thing and laugh when I saw guys hanging out with a bunch of Asians (because all Asians are hookers) or out shopping and about with one (you already paid for the pussy and you're still paying ) until I was on the other side.
My whore friends, which goes way beyond these two, have gone to tourist attractions, waterparks, movies, birthday parties, they've cooked for me, cleaned for me, taken me out to eat,and have just hung out. You wouldn't even know they were whores outside of work. In fact, I've taken them around other people, had four of them come over and cook for a bunch of guys, nobody even suspected they were prostitutes. I even over heard a conversation where one of my friends was looking for a woman just to pretend to be his wife/gf for an event. There is a flipside to that as well though, one girl I know went to a party with her fiancé, and a couple of guys there were her customers. She spied them off in a corner laughing at one point, but she thought it was funny herself.
>>924680 A smart escort will save money to quick after her golden years of beauty. To be a mamasan or something else. Huge influx of money but it hey are dum they will lose. I know a local whore put her little prostibule.
>>924675 Wait, there are people who actually think like that? They're just people who are lazy and found a genetic (or surgical) loophole to making money without needing experience/certification to make a decent living. To each their own though. However there is the stereotype with hookers and plastic surgery that tend to make them easy to spot, that or if they just wear 6 inch pumps 24/7 with halter tops.
>>924680 The chick with the fiance', she's back in Thailand right now building a house for her mother. As I've said plenty have found nice reliable men through hooking. Not old guys as well. They also make a lot of money, at least outside of Thailand. These chicks I know walk around wearing Ray Bans, and designer purses. These aren't back alley Thai hookers, though they are Thai. Really the sadness comes in how some customers treat them, thought it's fewer and far between than you might think. But they really don't need or want your pity. I guess due to their cultural background. And there is a difference between have to pay and need to pay. I don't pity them because they don't pity themselves. A lot of them had legit service industry jobs like cashiers, cooks, bartenders, massage, I know one who actually went to culinary school. They chose the life because the money was better, and for wahtever reason, they don't have the same moral objection to casual sex. As has been stated in the Bangkok thread, it's easy enough to pick up a Thai chick without paying. Even I got to the point that I was fucking hookers for free, and it wasn't that hard to get there. Also,the girls I know rock Ray Bans, party on yachts, and rock pure gold.
>>924680 Though I know there is a dark side, especially in the west, where it there is human trafficking or what not.. And I did kind of pity this old Irish guy, a banker. Who I was hanging out with one weekend. His "girlfriend" (she did claim him, but as old as he was I wonder if she was in love with him or all of the money he'd wire her every month) wanted me and her other friend to hang out with themwhiel he was in town. Went shopping, went out to eat at very nice restaurants, went to some very nice lounges. Even stayed in his Executive Suite at a very nice hotel. Everywhere we went he foot the bill, I never asked him to pay for me, but he insisted. At one point, almost to the point of tears, he says, "I don't know how to thank you all for your friendship. You guys have given this to me and I have nothing to give in return" In my head I'm thinking "do you not see all of this money you're dropping". But on further thought I was like, if he is genuinely happy right now, what does it matter?
I may have said this before but you keep saying "have" to pay and "have" hook. Where this is not often the case in the places I've been. The customers just aren't opposed to paying, and the ladies just aren't opposed to hooking. HEck for the Ethiopians and Pinays, a lot of them had and have legitiamte jobs,e ven as they hook. But from going out to the club and seeing how easy it was to get money that way, they start doing it on the side. There's even a lot of sideways hooking where they go out with you but then ask you to help on this bill or that, which was their goal all along.
>>924684 Outside of the ones who got themselves married off, I know quite a few who own salons, restaurants, and clothing shops. As a matter of fact, you can pretty much guarantee that most of these business were started by this way. In one particualr country the top Thai restaurants, as ranked on Trip Advisor, is actually founded by an old mamasan, who was worker before that. Even now, money is laundered through her to send back to the "business ladies" families back in Thailand.
>>924691 I don't pity them as much as I think they are destroying themselves
it's not exactly an accomplishment to party. it's not hard. And anyone who does it to excess, or uses it to validate the things they've sacrificed, is covering up a hole, or chasing a chemical high, and will end up broken.
This isn't purely from a values standpoint either. Realistically, I don't "value" much at all, I'm pretty ruthless, and take advantage of people, etc. etc.
this is just from the standpoint that as human beings, we are made happy by different things than what we think make us happy, and hwat we chase. I realized this a long time ago when I was living the "enviable" life.
No, I don't pity these people because I know they're predators. I think it's sad because the images people like this cast off fool people like you into thinking that the act of hooking doesn't utterly and irrevocably destroy 99% of the people who engage in it. So I regret that people like you endorse the destruction of relative innocent people, and those people I do pity.
Like I said, I'm not even a nice guy. I don't really care if people die in africa. In fact, I often think it's better if certain people die, that maybe, more of them should.
>>924696 I think it does in the Western world, where it's criminalized and marginalized. I don't think it's true in the Eastern world, with the exception of child exploitation. I used to think exactly like you until I got an insiders view. Not glorifying it by any means. The occupation does come with the risk of injury, disease and death, though far less than you'd think. And I admit the groups I was involved with, though many, represent a minority of the industry and were of a higher caliber. Hell one mamasan and her girls got an official invite to the Kings birthday celebration today, to give you an idea of the kind of clout she wields. But it did give me insight into their mentality and motivation.
I also think there'd be less victims in the west if it was legalized, and it'd lose it connotations with broken homes and daddy issues.
>>924728 I haven't banged that many but I know a lot because I worked with them, and said before I dated a couple, plus had a fuck buddy mamasan. I didn't pursue them. One chick one day was like, "You're my boyfriend" and started coming to chill and inviting me to her crib, she was an independent operator. The second chick had come through a couple of times, but I blew her off because now I had a steady fuck in the first one. But she was always messaging about how much she misses me and when she was going to see me. I kept saying I was broke, then one day she was like you don't need money, I told mamasan you're my teerak. Already juggling these two, I'd see this mamasan all the time, when she'd try to get me to take a lady I'd flirt with her and say, why have a lady when I can have a woman?" Then one day I walked into the bar and she was like, you're not going home with your friends tonight, you're going home with me. These 3 all existed in 3 different circles, though their was some overlap. But this gave me an extended network of a lot of chicks and I started making money off of them. But it also made it that pretty much no girl would go with me because they knew one of those three. Outside of my girl's cliques, most wouldn't even talk to me, unless the girl for that area was present.
>>924743 Wow. And exacltrly how can you make money? A neighboor told me thar she was cheated with 3 different girls. So she was 4. Dumb bicth returned to cheater. Fumb right? Hookers probably are smarter to deal with emotional baggage and seek benefit money and more
>>924740 Japan isn't western, just developed. And even in Japan, prostitution is everywhere, and you don't risk being arrested for it. USA is pretty much the only developed country where having sex with a prostitute can get you arrested, and where law enforcement conducts sting operations aggressively.
>>924744 Money came from two ways. Selling of goods and alcohol, and commission on customers. I'm the guy who earned the nickname Papasan. Me and one of my GF was even talking about going independent and going into business for ourselves if I come back. Whether it's ladies or just exclusively selling goods.
More to the subject of the thread. If you treat a hooker like a women they'll act like a woman. That's what I briefed to my guys I'd hook up with ladies. I'd also host. I'd tell them to offer them a drink. See if they want to dip in the pool or shoot some pool. Ask them about themselves. Though they'll probably lie, they'll appreciate the effort. Put some Thai pop music on the TV or ask what they want to listen to. Next thing you know, though you paid for short time, now they're spending the night. Probably part of the reason me and my place was so popular among the working ladies. Though I had those 3, there were several more that wanted the honor of dating me. Which brings me to the other side of treating them like women. I'll post it in my next post as to not run into the word count limit.
The flipside of this is if you treat them like women, they'll act like women, so I had my share of drama. Like GF#1 decides to pop up at my house and catches me in bed with gf#2 and starts doing King Leonidas kicks on my bedroom door. Then we have shouting match, she leaves. I wake up a couple hours later to over 50 some messages, 7 missed calls, and and voice messages that were classic crazy chick where over 10 messages she went from apologizing to a plethora of fuck yous. She couldn't quit me though, but it was drama everytime I left her. I asked her how she could get upset and jealous of me when she fucks other guys everytime she goes to work? She says it's different, it's just her work, it means nothing. It's a job. GF#2 never found out about GF#1. I told her it was just some crazy jealous chick who was upset because I wasn't messing with her anymore. But GF#2 drama came from one of her friends, but that's a while other story. Mamasan was jealous of my GFs. She didn't want me to talk about them in her presence, and she got one kicked out the bar where she works. GF#2 doesn't know about number one or mamasan. Though she knows about the mamasans existence. She thinks we're just friends. Those are the wavetops. But I have a million stories. Some just things I witnessed. These chicks would make a good reality show.
>>924765 Thais aren't the only ones out there. That was just the community I was in. There were also Russians, Ethiopians, Malaysians, Chinese, Japanese, Moroccan, Filipino, and Indian. As far as Thai organization a mamasan or boss will sponsor a lady to come over. Takes care of plane ticket, lodging, food and everything. At that point the girl is under contract. After her contract is up she can choose to remain with a mamasan, which at this point she is just paying room and board.
>>924770 Sounds bretty good fir a reality show. I am not a girl, but if I were GF2 I will have suspicious of a woman entering meanwhile we are fucking. Did she have a key to aparment? Did you not change locks?
>>924778 GF#2 just never asked questions. Even after another time where GF#1 threatened to show up at my house (she lived in walking distance), and I made some dumb excuse to GF#2 why she needed to go home, And then as I pull out the drive way GF #1 is standing in the middle of the road and I have to bust a u-turn and drive away as she runs towards the car like T-1000 in T2. Did I mention Thai chicks are really jealous? I just gave her the same excuse and said I didn't say anything before because I didn't want her to worry. I think she just had a general don't ask, don't tell policy. The only time she ever got super pissed. Was when I looked through her phone while she was sleep. She woke up and flipped the fuck out. Even threw her phone, a Galaxy S5. Packed up and left, but not before shattering this jar of candy hearts she made for me (placed each heart in there one by one with toothpicks and said "I give you all my heart forever" when she gave it to me.). How she felt about the others came out then, she was like "Maybe mamasan, or [her friend] better for you than me. Then she came back drunk hours later and stayed for hours more but refused to let me touch her or say a word to me, but she wouldn't leave.
>>924787 Well, what us the average price for a good looking, sexy and fun escort? Can you hire by day and week? What is the longest rental that you have seen? Whic are the main customers and from where? Have you experienced latinas?
>>924765 Earlier you asked about escort sites: Here is one https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-tokyo The search is by city. But from what I've seen, prices are usually higher on a website like this than you can get in person, if you are in a place with visible prostitution. Even in places that are less visible you might be able to get an inside scoop of a special massage by the guy trying to wash your car or sell you knock offs on the street. <<this is not always advisable though, es especially if you are unfamiliar with the area and alone. But could lead to some hidden jewels.
>>924791 Depends on the country. It depends on the say of the week. You can hire by day. It can vary if they are independent or work for someone. Whether it's in call or outcall. Check out the website I just posted for an idea in various cities.
>>924800 We have travel hooker threads occasionally, but most of the time talk about hookers is just lumped in on what to do in places. Where to eat, sleep, fuck hookers, and so on. /trv/ is relaxed in that way.
Well another one of my "whore" friends got engaged today. At the Thai Embassy King Birthday Celebration and to a young (military) American. She's 31 herself. I think he is mid 20s. He's known her since mid/late August. I guess that doesn't top her best friend (who was also a "business lady and happens to be the biological daughter of the mamasan. The daughter was a nanny/babysitter. Came to her mom at 30 saying she wanted to "work". I think she met her husband her the first day. She was with her everyday for her first 6 days of work. Ended up marrying her, though it took a year before to get her to the USA. She worked in that year, though it's still unclear to me whether her future husband knew.)
>>924860 How he met her and not realuzed she was a whore¿ Unles he met her in a non business situation. Why a daughter will be interrsted to work knowing that she is the child of sn escort to be an escort herself. Call of duty?
>>924974 I think she saw the lifestyle the other ladies had, the relatives pennies she was making at a daycare. It was her choice. A lot of the other ladies think it's fucked up that she'd let her daughter work. But she told her daughter wasn't happy doing what she doing. She told her daughter she's grown, she'll support her in whatever she wants to do. She said she wanted to work. The daughter also helped manage the other girls. As far as her husband, I reckon since he was first customer and was basically with her 24/7 the 6 days he was in town, he found it irrelevant. I don't know if he knows she continued to work after he left, or cares. Unlike hookers you see in America, or even in Thailand, these chicks aren't damaged goods. It's just a job to them and Asian chicks in general take care of their men very well. So I think that's why the hooker thing is not a big barrier liked you think. I was honestly shocked at the number that get married off or sponsored. One girl I know, her first day, her first customer she gets taken by an old rich Italian dude who made her his girlfriend and paid her rent and everything. I say girl, but she was late 30s, but could pass for early/mid 20s. The one who got engaged yesterday, the first time she was in the country she didn't even work. Her boyfriend took care of her the whole time. He went back to the USA, she went back to Thailand. Has a regular job, went to culinary school, still came back to work. Though I don't know if she is still working now. My friends are more high class than the ones you on the trashy SEA porn sites. All English speakers, some even more languages.
>>924939 Depends on the country, but one site is Topix.com forum, depending on the country. I was supposed to be part of a MFM 3 some from there, until the chick saw my dick and called it off because her fiancé would be jealous, then fucked me behind his back when he was out of town.
>>924710 I disagree with your fundamental understanding of human nature
a woman sells her body to a man in exchange for safety, food, and social worth. this is typically done in terms of a marriage contract, which provides her with all of the above, and in addition, security.
hooking provides less of most of the above in any functional economy, and no social worth in any normal context. You cannot simply GIVE hookers social worth in some sort of utopian scheme because hooking itself is indicative of a woman who is either disloyal to her potential husband because of her promiscuity, or of such low social worth she cannot attract a permanent husband- which would damage ANY woman. hooking is simply and open admission of these facts. both of which are social functions of our primate brain, and more or less unchangeable.
it's like saying we can magically make ugliness less stigamtized. No,you really can't. It's part of our primate brain and a fundamentaly aspect of our thought process from an evolutionary origin.
hooking takes away a woman's chances of financial stability, especially long term. Not one hudnred percent of hookers end up as mamasans. It destroys her social worth (no matter how hard you or she might deny it) and by destroying her social worth, it messes up her head.
>>924989 I will admit I doubt these American men introduce the girls to their parents as hookers. They probably say they are cooks, maids, or something. Maybe the fact once they bring them to their home country there is no one there that knows their past. But like I said, I'm not trying to paint some Utopia. I've seen some fucked up shit and have heard some bad stories. Hookers being thrown off of hotel balconies, raped by undercover cops. But I've seen just as horrible stories happen to non-hookers. Like the Filipino made that was kidnapped, raped, held hostage, pimped, sold, and pimped some more. Or the 3 teens who robbed and raped a Filipina for fun. Honestly, in the epidemic of SEA countries that export labor to the rest of the world, especially the Middle East, the hookers are better off than the people with legitimate careers. And I think that social worth thing is an American mindset. Not so much as in Eastern cultures that it's something to aspire to, but it is something that can be overcome. Most girls do lie to their families about what they really do and where the money they send home comes from, but I doubt many are really fooled. But once you stop there is not some cloud over your head, the baggage doesn't seem to hang with them like it does in America. Annabelle Chong, famous for The World's Greatest Gangbang, and from Singapore is a public example of the mentality when that life is done, it's just done.
>>925024 right but the examples you mentioned above as far as workers being killed or raped are extreme minorities, unless they go to say, dubai
these things are fairly normal for prostitutes compared to the population at large. And condoning their exposure to these elements is complicity which, if you support, you at least shouldn't pretend to be helping them by doing so
>>925029 The place I'm referencing is in the Middle East if you haven't been able to read between the lines or notice the people on the boat in the above picture. All I am doing is sharing my experiences. I'm not condoning anything.
>>925124 What do you think of her now? How old will she be? Pregnant mom? In the end did she started to enjoy sexual contact with you? Were you care comforting her? Hiw did rhey allow raw fuckibg in front of them?
>>925365 Once you fuck enough girls and get a real job you'll realize that most people who pay for sex aren't buying it because they can't get any, they are buying it out of convenience. Unless you're rich and famous you will have off nights, and especially on a week long vacation, sometimes its just easier to throw a couple bucks at the problem, because now you can afford it. Never got the appeal of doing it back home since time is on your side there, but if I'm somewhere new I'd like to fuck a local. Its more satisfying when you don't pay but the pussy feels the same either way
>>925378 Yes pretty much this. I really see a cultural disconnect between the teenagers on this board and the guys who are over 25.
When you're working 40+ hours a week or when you're just too old/cynical/irritable to deal with the ridiculous bullshit that goes on in clubs, you look for more convenient alternatives. This may include Tinder and, especially on business trips, it may include paying for sex. Why? Because if you're going to work from 9am to 5pm and you're only in town for three days or a week, taking the time to go out, drink, buy girls drinks, try to impress them with your bullshit, convince them to go home with you, etc.--it's just not worth it. Does it mean you can't? No, hardly. It means you can, but you don't want to.
I've met plenty of guys who have paid for sex, and some are very attractive and desirable. Others, not so much. But you know what? I've met plenty of guys who don't pay for sex--some are very attractive and desirable, but others, not so much.
>>925351 Could be fake. Could be 50% truth. If in Mexico you can buy 13 yo girls just for 1000usd to be maids for several years until she gets 18 or 21 and having her in a maid room. Sounds possible, but too much pedo stuff to be 100% real
>>925396 Brazilian here. The world is much darker than you think it is. Child prostitution is real and we even had some cases where politicians were caught making sex parties with kids. In some areas people are miserable, it is way poorer than poor. Nothing someone from a developed country is familiar with. Some people would kill for 5 dollars, what do you think they wouldn't do for 200?
>>925378 >>925387 Double this. I'm the guy who psted most of the working woman stories in this threads. I talked to a couple of my girls today, and yes when I talk to them I ask them how there work has been. In the Middle East "Thursday is Friday" so a bad one can spell a bad weekend. One had a return customer Thursday night. The other had a customer Thursday night as well, but I didn't get a chance to ask whether he was new or not. Because she was going out to see a return customer for Friday night, who was a expat vacationing from another more restrictive Arab state for the weekend. It's a conversation I've had with friends, but haven't shared here to this point. If you are only in town for a few days, you can pay the time to get something out of a "free" chick (which may come with more drama) or drop a few dollars on a good time on what you'd pay for a good meal. Longer for more time. I may have said this before, but ti reminds me of the old saying "You don't pay a whore to fuck you, you pay her to leave". I myself have banged chicks for free while traveling (wasn't even really trying). One was celibate for 3 years, and I fucked her within three days of meeting her on her initiative (Spain). And I've still payed for prostitutes, ended up fucking them for free, but that's not how it started. My friend once commented he was losing his motivation for "regular" chicks, because there were a couple of Arab chicks he could've fucked but had to put in work/time for, and he was whoremongering to the point where he was like "why would I do that, when I could do this". He was fucking a fine Thai chick for free at the same time of his whore mongering so all he was missing out on was scratching another race of the list. And he had no problem getting women either. Though to me, being able to fuck hookers for free was a greater accomplishment than regular chicks. It's the same as getting free drinks from a bartender, or free food from a restaurant.
>>925410 Are you utterly retarded? The purchasing power of that dollar 25 varies dramatically and hundreds of millions subsist on less
>>925404 Britfag here, we've got a similar scandal with politicians, media figures and group paedophilia dating back to the 70s at least. Sadly the establishment are all covering each others asses and throwing the investigation in bureaucratic circles
$1.25 buys you less in some countries than others.
Aside from this fact, 17% of the global population live on LESS than $1.25 per day http://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/poverty/overview
Ergo, it is totally plausible that people would kill for $5. How can you cultivate an interest in travel without learning this?
>>925432 'OH NOOOEEEE he implied that the individuals within governments sometimes act in conspiratorial and downright malevolent ways, he must be a foam-mouthed David Icke worshipper!!'
Even the most mainstream right-wing paper in the country has acknowledged the plausibility of these claims given past incidences of cover-up http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11232988/Westminster-paedophile-ring-now-where-does-the-investigation-go.html
>>924410 I wanted a Thai massage while in Thailand. I paid at the front desk and realized it was a high class brothel when the woman took me to a room with a Jacuzzi bathtub and a king sized bed with a mirror on the ceiling. I let her wash me and had her give me a massage as i had to get my money's worth. It was a shitty massage, though.
>>924412 I was engaged at the time. I did not want to cheat.
>>924419 The Thai hooker i got could barely speak any English, but she seemed very giddy and stopped the massage briefly to go grab one of her hooker friends to show me off to them for some reason. She kept saying i was "big", but i an not fat and my penis is only about 6", so I was wondering what she was talking about.
>>925547 >The Thai hooker i got could barely speak any English, but she seemed very giddy and stopped the massage briefly to go grab one of her hooker friends to show me off to them for some reason. She kept saying i was "big", but i an not fat and my penis is only about 6", so I was wondering what she was talking about.
You do know how small the average Thai persons penis is right. And just about every massage place in Thailand is a brothel, with at minimum a hand job. But you don't have to have the sex, as you know, but it's an option. I really don;t like Thai massages, not firm enough.
>>925553 From the Thai porn I see. I reckon that a lot of the ones who are traveling specifically for sex tourism. Especially the ones that would use a high class brothel, probably aren't the most hung to begin with.
>>925662 I'm just saying. I've only seen from torrents/porn tubes, but they seem worse thn the ones from creampie thias, asian sex diary, and the ones I've seen in travel porn from the big companies and in real life. Mostly crack thin/waifish.
>>925659 I understand the sex while touring, but not sex tourism. Yes the pussy itself might be cheap but by the time you add up the ticket and everything. I guess it's the kid in the candy store of being able to pick what you like, but I think with the cheaper travel to Europe you'd still make out better with a country with brothels there than Asia,
OP here. I honestly didn't expect this thread to still be up. I saw the same girl again and the experience was totally different. A lot more "attached", I guess. Way more GFE and real feels. She stayed longer than she was meant to and almost forgot about payment. I'll probably see her a few more times when I'm back from my business trip. Maybe try one of the other girls too.
>>926020 That's how I ended up with my GFs. But hey were the ones that were like, I want to see you outside of work. I was like "Score" free sex. (which I was manipulating the situation because I had the goal of fucking a hooker for free. ) . I will admit I caught the feels as well, eventually.
>>926020 >>926078 You don't turn a ho into a housewife. At best shes manipulating for more cash down the line (my mom is so sick) or at worst shes looking for someone to save her from the ho lifestyle and support her since she has no other skills besides people manipulation and allowing things to go inside of her body.
>>926134 I swear this is what happens to 99% of foreign guys in Asia lol
maybe not so much in Japan, but all I can think of are those lonely guys who jump on the first woman they see
>"finally a sweet girl who loves me for who I am! even though the only reason we're meeting is because I gave her money, and even though I only just met her and know nothing about her, and she nothing about me, it's clear that we're destined to be eternal soul mates!"
>>926134 Yeah I think babby's first Hooker often feel like this. >She wants to see me again! >She's probably sick of all those disgusting foreigner pigs abusing her body, I'm different and she senses it after our 5mn intercourse.
You can tell an escort does her job well when she makes you feel like she likes you. Don't be fooled anon.
>>926231 >>926232 As I stated previously hooker ot not, you see a lot of military guys come back from Asia married. I think it's the way Asians take care of their men in general. My chicks knew I wasn't saving anything they just liked being with me. I was the one making out. Even now, if I go to Pattaya I have free boarding at one of my G homes , within walking distance of the beach and a place to stay in Isan if I visit there. And I was making money with my chicks, not spending it.
I've also seen som Escorts fall in love and spend money on their boyfriends they are supposed to be sending home to their families. Then of course, in the Middle East you have the dudes that will straight pimp their girlfriends, or they just have the goal, same as my initial one, just to fuck for free. I already knew I could get a regular chick but the challenge of getting a hooker was like trying to get a free car or meal. Someone offering me their product at no charge.
On the Save-a-ho side, I mentioned this already but I know a girl who just got proposed to and the guy has only known her since the end of August. But she does in fact have other skills, she's been to culinary school, and she does have a great perosnality, minus the whole hooking thing she'd be a catch.
I had 2 nights in Bangkok before i flew out. Just finishing up from a 3 1/2 month trip (Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Burma, Malaysia, Indonesia). I figured why not try something new. I was 20 and a virgin by the way. >screw being a wizard
I decide on a massage parlor because i was too nervous to pick up a gril at a bar. And mostly because I really wanted a massage after spending 3 months in shit and sticks.
Anyways, I found a place with good reviews online. Went there and they had some cute girls in that day. Lucky me. Almost spilled my spaghetti paying up front.
I was brought up to a room, Showered, she showered with me, hand job in the shower, then bed, got a massage, blowjob, sex, even anal. Sex and anal were with condom of course.
It was never really awkward at all. The girl was friendly and good at her job. I enjoyed it so much went there 2 more times before I flew home. When I got home I was so fucking paranoid about diseases so I got myself checked. Came out all clean.
They funny part is I ended up having sex with this girl I liked from high school about a month after I got back too. Glad I had that experience under my belt.
>>926387 I checked the site again when I was typing that up and its not up anymore. The massage parlor was just called Cherry Massage. The main review site I used as rockitreports. I compared it to a a few other random review sites also. All were good reviews.
I really liked that place because you get more than one shot. If you pay for an hour you get the full hour. If you pay for 2 you get the full 2. It made me feel really comfortable for my first time knowing I could go at my own pace.
The girl I saw 2 of the 3 times was Lisa (first and third time) don't remember who the second girl was. Also the third time I went in they gave me a 300 baht discount. Don't know what that was about because I didn't see that on any of the reviews before.
>>926355 Hell, If I hadn't already lost my virginity in the preceding six months or so, I definitely would've lost it in a brothel my first time in Spain at 19. I'm sure some of the 15,000 US Marines that descended upon Zaragoza for Dynamic Mix-02 did. I recall a cab driver telling us the whores were making a lot of money, but at the same time complaining because they were getting worn the fuck out.
Pic semi related. Chick was a bartender, if I recall.
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